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Old 01-08-2017, 10:03 PM   #21
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Like when I play with my Sims.
But, i assume your not a sadistic cunt...
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no such thing as 'god'!
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But, i assume your not a sadistic cunt...
Jajaja I hope not
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Old 02-08-2017, 05:53 AM   #25
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no such thing as 'god'!

Ding-ding-ding!!!!! This is the correct answer.

But if people want to believe in the none existent god, they are free to do so.

When they use that belief to harm or interfere with other people, who many not have the same beliefs, that's when i take objection.

Of course, its also fun to debate the existence of god in places like this, too....
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Like when I play with my Sims.
Exactly.

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IMO there are as many Gods as there are human imaginations

to some it doesn't exist , to some it is a desert dwelling god of wrath , to others it is a Pineapple God who promises Pineapples in the after life

I see nothing but the word of Man in the books which pretend to be Gods words

Where books of pretend Godly words come into it, all I see is men wielding those words as a way to retain some from of power over another

I've never appreciated the way those Gods that appear in written form all ways seem to be such sneaky buggers , intent on domination by all means necessary

I would actually say that what manifested in the Abrahamic religions was a psychopathic God of war , not love

I prefer the pineapple god , but even his vision is somewhat restricted to just the eternal nice day on the beach
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IMO there are as many Gods as there are human imaginations

to some it doesn't exist , to some it is a desert dwelling god of wrath , to others it is a Pineapple God who promises Pineapples in the after life

I see nothing but the word of Man in the books which pretend to be Gods words

Where books of pretend Godly words come into it, all I see is men wielding those words as a way to retain some from of power over another

I've never appreciated the way those Gods that appear in written form all ways seem to be such sneaky buggers , intent on domination by all means necessary

I would actually say that what manifested in the Abrahamic religions was a psychopathic God of war , not love

I prefer the pineapple god , but even his vision is somewhat restricted to just the eternal nice day on the beach
Your view is shared by Gnostic Christians.

You show better morals than those who follow those Gods of War.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

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Your view is shared by Gnostic Christians.

You show better morals than those who follow those Gods of War.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

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I read recently (can't remember where TBH) that some 'gnostic' teachings, 'lost' gospels taught of a boy jesus killing other kids, then resurrecting them (practising his craft??), another reason why we here nothing much of the 'christ' boy's life??
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God; a good father or a deadbeat dad. Which is the truth?

The use of the term Father in speaking of God is quite ancient and was around way before Jesus started using the term, even though he used son of man a lot more than son of God.

A son calling someone father in the proud way Jesus did is respecting a worthy father, but if we look at Yahweh, I do not see how anyone could be proud of such a father.

Yahweh is definitely portrayed as being quite vile thanks to his use of genocide, infanticide and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty quite often. Yahweh is also shown to covet Joseph’s wife, cuckold Joseph, produce a son and then take off for parts unknown leaving his responsibility for his son to others thus showing himself to be a deadbeat dad.

Scripture say that we are all sons of God. To be relevant to his children, a father has to be around to interact with them. It seems that God does not want to be relevant to us as he remains absent and places us, his children, at the mercy of people who have written scripture more to enrich themselves than to give us the messages from God that they claim to know. Even though scriptures say that God id unknowable and unfathomable and his desires cannot be known.

My analysis of the bible and God does not show God to be a good father.

Do you, as a child of God, see God as a good father or as more of a deadbeat dad?

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You ask for help you get it.
Free will means we are left alone unless we ask for help so it's like being in Uni.
You can also leave any time you want but you'll probably regret it more than your father would.
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I read recently (can't remember where TBH) that some 'gnostic' teachings, 'lost' gospels taught of a boy jesus killing other kids, then resurrecting them (practising his craft??), another reason why we here nothing much of the 'christ' boy's life??
I do not recall that in any Gnostic Christian text so cannot comment.

I do recall such a story but cannot reference it either.

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You ask for help you get it.
Free will means we are left alone unless we ask for help so it's like being in Uni.
You can also leave any time you want but you'll probably regret it more than your father would.
We only have superficial or partial free will.

I would think that all starving kids and their parents pray or ask God for help but they are still dying in droves.

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I do not recall that in any Gnostic Christian text so cannot comment.

I do recall such a story but cannot reference it either.

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I know I read it. I'll mooch around and see if I can find the text itself...
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Do you really want to reach the level of God and being able to use genocide or have your only son needlessly murdered?

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That is a tainted view of God. The bible is not reliable evidence.
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We only have superficial or partial free will.

I would think that all starving kids and their parents pray or ask God for help but they are still dying in droves.

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And we have free will to stop them from starving.
It is man that allows them to starve.
Humans invited them here into a place where they had no food.

God does help them he takes them back and looks after them properly.
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That is a tainted view of God. The bible is not reliable evidence.
I agree. I would add that all views of the supernatural Gods are tainted and should be considered speculative nonsense.

Who is your God?

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Then why are you not exercising your free will to make it so?

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I would say that it is more nature. No man I know would sit there with plenty and let someone starve at his feet.

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There had to be foot when the invitation went out or they would not have been able to sustain themselves when they gave the invitation to an event 9 months away.
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God does help them he takes them back and looks after them properly.
If so, that means he let them be born to just suffer till he took them in.

If so, and it must be so if there is a creator God, then that God is quite the evil and immoral prick.

Prove it to yourself by your own moral standards.

Would you allow any creature to be born just to see it suffer till the day it dies?

If so, you are just as immoral and evil as a creator God.

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If so, that means he let them be born to just suffer till he took them in.

If so, and it must be so if there is a creator God, then that God is quite the evil and immoral prick.

Prove it to yourself by your own moral standards.

Would you allow any creature to be born just to see it suffer till the day it dies?

If so, you are just as immoral and evil as a creator God.

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We have free will. If we are starving and have sex and make babies then that is what will happen with our free will.
We could save them - but we don't. But God does.
If we had no free will you'd still complain.

Have you ever noticed how the children are starving and nude but the parents are clothed, heads protected from the sun and don't look as thin?
And how they can have sex a lot - despite starving to death?
Uneducated - lots of rape - they have a need for children to work the farms to make food and look after them in old age.
Why would these people call to God?

Maybe look closer if you dare... blame God because it's easier than blaming man.

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We have free will. If we are starving and have sex and make babies then that is what will happen with our free will.
We could save them - but we don't. But God does.
If we had no free will you'd still complain.

Have you ever noticed how the children are starving and nude but the parents are clothed, heads protected from the sun and don't look as thin?
And how they can have sex a lot - despite starving to death?
Uneducated - lots of rape - they have a need for children to work the farms to make food and look after them in old age.
Why would these people call to God?

Maybe look closer if you dare... blame God because it's easier than blaming man.
...Or in other words start taking responsibility.
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