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Old 27-11-2016, 01:28 AM   #41
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Regardless of him being a "Dictator", I respect the man. If he was an enemy of the CIA he must have been doing something right.
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Sadaam Hussein and Gadaffi were enemies of the CIA, does anyone honestly think he would have lived that long if they wanted rid of him, lol. How easy would it have been for a false flag attack on a US warship, blamed on Castro, and whoooa we have to invade Cuba. And all that crap about the "missile crisis", give us a break, that was just to scare the American public, quivering in their boots at the threat of the dreaded Communists so they can spend a few hundred billion on nuclear weapons that most likely don't exist anyway.
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Old 27-11-2016, 01:39 AM   #43
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He paid workers 25 cents an hour to make cigars for Harods who sold them for £80 a throw. Richard Branson would give his right arm to make that much of a mark up.
Does anybody on this forum ever substantiate their claims?

Or is that an olde highwaye rule which has somehow lost its charm?
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Old 27-11-2016, 01:41 AM   #44
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Sadaam Hussein and Gadaffi were enemies of the CIA, does anyone honestly think he would have lived that long if they wanted rid of him, lol. How easy would it have been for a false flag attack on a US warship, blamed on Castro, and whoooa we have to invade Cuba. And all that crap about the "missile crisis", give us a break, that was just to scare the American public, quivering in their boots at the threat of the dreaded Communists so they can spend a few hundred billion on nuclear weapons that most likely don't exist anyway.
12,606 posts and you haven't heard of Operation Northwoods?

You must have bunked out of Konspiracy Kindergarten.
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Old 27-11-2016, 01:47 AM   #45
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He paid workers 25 cents an hour to make cigars for Harods who sold them for £80 a throw. Richard Branson would give his right arm to make that much of a mark up.

branson takes the money as profit.

castro [well actually the cuban state under ideolgical economic sanction /warfare that would have modern brits eating each other outside the playschool gates] funded free education and free health care for his people.

castro, of necessity, to free his people and his nation from mafiosi feudalism and foreign economic, cultural and political domination, used left wing policy to enact a ukip solution.

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Old 27-11-2016, 01:48 AM   #46
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Talking of Cuba;s atrocious human rights record, nobody has mentioned that detention and torture camp in Cuba.. oh, wait...
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Old 27-11-2016, 01:50 AM   #47
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branson takes the money as profit castro [well actually the cuban state under ideolgical economic sanction that would have brits eating each other outside the playschool gates] funded free education and free health care for his people

he, of necessity, to free his people and his nation from mafiosi feudalism and foreign economic, cultural and political domination, used left wing policy to enact a ukip solution.

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He was prepared to allow the use of poor Cubans labour to enrich Capitalists in Britain and elsewhere.

Those workers could have been better used to make things for other Cubans, maybe bread or shoes, you know something useful for his own people rather than cigars for rich westerners.
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Old 27-11-2016, 01:52 AM   #48
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I seem to be as left wing as Ghandi but more libertarian. This is because the questions were stupid. They are aimed at what kind of a prison would you like to live in, rather than what would you do if you had absolute power.

Well, I like to judge on a case by case basis and what action I take is solely dependant on the mood I happen to find myself in that moment. Arbitrary rule as a kind of feudal warlord suites my style of governance.

Basically you the people can do anything you like as long as you don't make me angry, OK? If you make me cross, I'll burn your village. No, you don't get to choose me, I do the choosing.
Yeah they were stupid questions. You're absolutely right in what you say. Still feel like pukin at the result though. We're all measured against something though. Even in anarchy we could be judged as non anarchist. Human nature dictates, even on a case to case basis labels will apply.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:02 AM   #49
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See this is my problem with the left (as the right). They're fine with dictators, so long as they follow what they believe is their agenda. It's the entire problem with the left-right paradigm, that people will give over themselves to an authority so easily.
Quite frankly this whole "Dictator" accusation is quite tired and meaningless.

It has simply become a word to label anybody who goes against the Anglo American Empire.

Assad is a dictator. Gaddafi is a dictator. Hussein is a dictator. Mugabe is a dictator. Milosevic is a dictator. Chavez is a dictator. See what I mean ?

And of course they all murdered thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, tens of millions.

The bigger the number the better for the propaganda to be spoon fed to the dumbed down public in order for them to support regime change operations. Of course nobody finds it odd that the biggest murderers in history are accusing others. Nothing wrong with that right ?

Gaddafi gave his soldiers Viagra to rape women. I mean just let your imagination run and anything you can think of these "dictators" did it.

Its a bunch of bullshit. Sorry.

Why not discuss actual policies and things that were done or supposedly done rather than the very intellectually lazy, "He was a dictator"

My parents were fucking dictators for Chrissakes !! Does that mean anything ? NO.


How can all the talking heads on the MSM, both on the left and the right call this guy a "dictator" when they live in a corporate dictatorship masquerading itself as democracy.

So what exactly should Castro do ? Should he hold elections so that the CIA through the National Endowment for Democracy or any other number of CIA fronts step in to take the country back for the corporations ? Sound like a good plan no ?

Reality is a bitch, and when you actually take something from the Empire, you cannot just drink milk and cookies and have open elections, and not be suspicious of collaborators, of which there are plenty.


Castro actually did tell the Empire, the NWO to fuck off, and he did take his country back for his people. It sure wasn't perfect, but it was better than what they had before and the people had their dignity instead of being a prostitute infested banana republic to service the empire.

I applaud anybody who kicked the fucking leeches out of their country and establish some modicum of independence, and then not stop there but get involved in helping like minded people around the world.

Cuba sent soldiers to revolutionary struggles around the world, they broke relations with Israel, they fought apartheid South Africa.

I say bravo, in this world of shit a guy like Castro certainly is an inspiration in my eyes.

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Old 27-11-2016, 02:05 AM   #50
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global US body count since Granma Day.

Oh, and I forgot to mention the Miami 5 (aka Cuban 5). But I don't suppose anybody knows anything about them, let alone the full background involving US sponsored terror attacks by Cuban exiles living in Miami.
Was that Orlando Bosch ? I remember a bunch of Cuban exiles blew up a few passenger planes.

Remember Operation Northwoods ? The CIA was supposed to carry out terror attacks to blame Castro.

JFK didn't want to play ball and was killed. The Cuban exiles were involved in that crime as well. Some of them are nasty fuckers. Bunch of fascist death squads.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:05 AM   #51
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And all that crap about the "missile crisis", give us a break, that was just to scare the American public, quivering in their boots at the threat of the dreaded Communists so they can spend a few hundred billion on nuclear weapons that most likely don't exist anyway.
you may have something there communism was certainly used in the west as a control/ social ostracisation label ; payrolled-control freaks and the war industry loved it.

ps edited a post of mine you responded to as i'd posted it twice, dont think you saw it before you posted. I kept the second rather than the first as the first wasnt finished. you might want to edit your response to link to the correct one.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:10 AM   #52
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Well, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, were all communists. And look how that worked out.

The extreme left or the extreme right, it's all the same result.

Without Stalin and Mao , Russia and China would not be the powers they are today.

For better or for worse, this is a FACT.

Do you know that Russians consider Stalin the second most loved man in Russian history ?

Yet people in the West think he was a monster.

You see what propaganda does ?

Do you really believe anything our media tells us about all these enemies of our establishment ?
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:10 AM   #53
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Sadaam Hussein and Gadaffi were enemies of the CIA, does anyone honestly think he would have lived that long if they wanted rid of him, lol. How easy would it have been for a false flag attack on a US warship, blamed on Castro, and whoooa we have to invade Cuba. And all that crap about the "missile crisis", give us a break, that was just to scare the American public, quivering in their boots at the threat of the dreaded Communists so they can spend a few hundred billion on nuclear weapons that most likely don't exist anyway.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is almost a conspiracy theory. A few random thoughts cobbled together as a malformed and disconnected idea which wouldn't hold water if it were frozen. Just the sort of thing which provides target practice for students of churnalism in the mainstream media.

Apart from anything else, Saddam Hussein was a US ally as long as it was expedient and Gaddafi was a convenient stooge who willingly took the heat until he was no longer useful.

The US didn't need a false flag to invade Cuba, (although they did plan one - see previous reference); ever heard of the Bay of Pigs?

I suppose the nuclear tests were all fake as well.

Really? If you are going to make such assertions, at least have a link to something which makes an attempt at making a semi-credible case.
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It has simply become a word to label anybody who goes against the Anglo American Empire.

...snip ...

And of course they all murdered thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, tens of millions.

The bigger the number the better for the propaganda to be spoon fed to the dumbed down public in order for them to support regime change operations. Of course nobody finds it odd that the biggest murderers in history are accusing others. Nothing wrong with that right ?
quite so.


Cuba should announce a govt enquiry and call it the Chilcotta Enquiry - that'd shut the fekkers up!
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That, ladies and gentlemen, is almost a conspiracy theory. A few random thoughts cobbled together as a malformed and disconnected idea which wouldn't hold water if it were frozen. Just the sort of thing which provides target practice for students of churnalism in the mainstream media.

Apart from anything else, Saddam Hussein was a US ally as long as it was expedient and Gaddafi was a convenient stooge who willingly took the heat until he was no longer useful.

The US didn't need a false flag to invade Cuba, (although they did plan one - see previous reference); ever heard of the Bay of Pigs?

I suppose the nuclear tests were all fake as well.

Really? If you are going to make such assertions, at least have a link to something which makes an attempt at making a semi-credible case.
How many regimes have the USA overthrown since WW2 ?

I don't know off hand but certainly more than 10.

Cuba would be a mere trifle, compared to defeating Hirohito, Hitler and Mussolini.

Sometimes you just need a bit of common sense.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:17 AM   #56
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branson takes the money as profit.

castro [well actually the cuban state under ideolgical economic sanction /warfare that would have modern brits eating each other outside the playschool gates] funded free education and free health care for his people.

castro, of necessity, to free his people and his nation from mafiosi feudalism and foreign economic, cultural and political domination, used left wing policy to enact a ukip solution.

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I doubt Mr Castro lived as his people did. Maybe he was Cubas Branson?

Modern Brits are funding the same through taxes. Because neither Castro or any other individual will pay for it.

He used left wing policy because that was his preference. Not as isolationalist as UKIP. He had allies in other like minded countries. And he sent soldiers to help those countries convert others.

Still

RIP Mr Castro
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Sadaam Hussein and Gadaffi were enemies of the CIA, does anyone honestly think he would have lived that long if they wanted rid of him, lol. How easy would it have been for a false flag attack on a US warship, blamed on Castro, and whoooa we have to invade Cuba. And all that crap about the "missile crisis", give us a break, that was just to scare the American public, quivering in their boots at the threat of the dreaded Communists so they can spend a few hundred billion on nuclear weapons that most likely don't exist anyway.
So for some reason you think the CIA hates Trump, yet they cannot get rid of a man in their own country, but they "would have" killed Castro.

Cuba was only relevant when they were a Soviet ally and could position missiles towards the US. Their number one export is sugar. NOt exactly something high on the priority list.

I used to think they way you do. I also thought "why don't they get Gaddafi ?"

and guess what ? They did.

Over 40 years after he kicked the NWO out of his country in 1969.

They did try to bomb his residence in 1986 under Reagan. There were several other attempts by Islamic radicals in the 90's.

Over 40 years, and Libya is way more important than Cuba.
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I seem to be as left wing as Ghandi but more libertarian. This is because the questions were stupid. They are aimed at what kind of a prison would you like to live in, rather than what would you do if you had absolute power.

Well, I like to judge on a case by case basis and what action I take is solely dependant on the mood I happen to find myself in that moment. Arbitrary rule as a kind of feudal warlord suites my style of governance.

Basically you the people can do anything you like as long as you don't make me angry, OK? If you make me cross, I'll burn your village. No, you don't get to choose me, I do the choosing.
That's really very, very funny. You talk of being libertarian but complain that the test is inaccurate because it does not allow you to imagine absolute power.
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Was that Orlando Bosch ? I remember a bunch of Cuban exiles blew up a few passenger planes.

Remember Operation Northwoods ? The CIA was supposed to carry out terror attacks to blame Castro.

JFK didn't want to play ball and was killed. The Cuban exiles were involved in that crime as well. Some of them are nasty fuckers. Bunch of fascist death squads.
OK I can follow that, they killed Kennedy because he wouldn't support a false flag to blame on Castro.

Makes sense.

Then after they killed Kennedy they didn't proceed with the false flag they had planned which Kennedy had stopped, so that means they killed him for nothing then.

Makes no sense.
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How many regimes have the USA overthrown since WW2 ?

I don't know off hand but certainly more than 10.

Cuba would be a mere trifle, compared to defeating Hirohito, Hitler and Mussolini.

Sometimes you just need a bit of common sense.
Cuba was not that important.

They cannot take on everybody at once.

Actually it is also my opinion that they intentionally left Cuba alone so they could use it as anti-socialist propaganda as a "failed state".

Leave it alone and you've got a great propaganda subject, its better than having unfetted access to Cuba's SUGAR.
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