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Old 19-05-2018, 04:02 PM   #1
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Should the religious world thank the secular world for improving older religious law to the level of excellence we now enjoy?

If we grade secular law against theistic laws, I think we will agree that God’s laws are unjust when compared to the laws of most lands.

Three cheers for secular world and the world’s intelligentsia. They are the Gnostics of the world and their just laws prove it.

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Old 19-05-2018, 05:44 PM   #2
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Depends on if God is real or not.

If hes real, then no, it isn't a good thing and they shouldn't be thanking anyone.
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Old 19-05-2018, 06:12 PM   #3
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Depends on if God is real or not.

If hes real, then no, it isn't a good thing and they shouldn't be thanking anyone.
I am discussing the laws as offered in the holy books as compared to secular law.

To that judgement, God's reality or not is irrelevant.

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Old 19-05-2018, 06:18 PM   #4
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If I believed in God then I wouldn't want secular folk thinking they know better
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If I believed in God then I wouldn't want secular folk thinking they know better
Even when the proof of the better law is in your face. Ok.

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Example?
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Example?
Lack of belief in God.
Secular law, no penalty. Christian law, hell for much torture then death.

Fornication.
Secular law, no penalty. Christian law, hell for much torture then death.

Being an unruly child.
Secular law, no penalty. Christian law, stoning to death, hell for much torture then death.

Do you know of any law where God's penalties are less severe than secular law?

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Secular law, no penalty?

That's better if you think no punishment for a crime works.

Why does less severe equate to better?
Depends what works best surely?
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Secular law, no penalty?

That's better if you think no punishment for a crime works.

Why does less severe equate to better?
Depends what works best surely?
What crime are you speaking about?

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Some republican prick this week on the news said the new U.S. embassy wasn't just the right side of history, but also the right side of god...,

Still have no fucking clue what that means....
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Some republican prick this week on the news said the new U.S. embassy wasn't just the right side of history, but also the right side of god...,

Still have no fucking clue what that means....
Think right wing loony and things will fall into place.

You have to remember their intelligence level, which is exemplified at the end of this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjR7AWSmI6o

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Should the religious world thank the secular world for improving older religious law to the level of excellence we now enjoy?

If we grade secular law against theistic laws, I think we will agree that God’s laws are unjust when compared to the laws of most lands.

Three cheers for secular world and the world’s intelligentsia. They are the Gnostics of the world and their just laws prove it.

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Depends which secular society and which religious society are making the laws, and who is judging what is good law and what is bad law.

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Depends which secular society and which religious society are making the laws.
Take your pick if you have an argument to present.

Name any religious/theistic law that is superior to secular law.

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Take your pick if you have an argument to present.

Name any religious/theistic law that is superior to secular law.

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Religious Jews in secular Nazi Germany might have something to say about that. I can't be bothered as it's quite obvious.
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Religious Jews in secular Nazi Germany might have something to say about that. I can't be bothered as it's quite obvious.
Germany was and still is a Christian nation.

Look up the German military belt buckle. Tell us what it said.

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Germany was and still is a Christian nation.

Look up the German military belt buckle. Tell us what it said.

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And what is Britain? A monarchy. Beholden to god. Crown law. Divine right of kings. Yay! Says so on the banknotes.

Which are these secular countries? China? North Korea?

How is a secular country defined and what is the criteria for a law being secular as opposed to religious?

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And what is Britain? A monarchy. Beholden to god. Crown law. Divine right of kings. Yay! Says so on the banknotes.

Which are these secular countries? China? North Korea?

How is a secular country defined and what is the criteria for a law being secular as opposed to religious?

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Well, if you think China and North Korea to be secular, I don't think I will be able to define secular to your satisfaction.

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Old 19-05-2018, 09:30 PM   #18
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If you study the Old Testament with an open mind you should see that the god or gods were not as a universal creator would behave. In other words more like otherworldly controllers.

If you study the New testament you should see through the manipulation of the Roman church and the Vatican and how even how some of the elite in the church have been deceived 'big' time.

God to me is separate from the concept of 'religion'.
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Old 19-05-2018, 09:35 PM   #19
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What secular rubbish.

Western society was built on catholic church teachings, and without them, you woul all be like 3rd world countries like africa, or india.

You would be all having your own little sects, doing unholy religious practises, just like in judaism, or in haiti.

So, no i do not agree op.

The secular world should thank the catholic church for its teachings, and what it gave people as a foundation for western society.

What secular world are you talking about. The catholic church western society its values, and ideas like free will. Nowhere outside white christain countries, is there a belief in such things as freewill.

Western society cannot divorce from christian ideas, as its based on those ideas. You all mostly grew up in christian based schools, learning about the new testament.

Stuff your learning a s kid, has a massive role in how you see the world later, and you cannot divorce from these things. Thats why gov put so much into conditioning kids.

Protestants can talk all they want about a literal idea of the bible, but they too got there teachings from the catholic church.

You can call israel if you want a secular country, but do you thank them op, for there disgracful actions in gaza. Gunning down brown people is a big thing for israelis.
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Yep, those secular ideas, are a great basis, not. Israel is the most secular 1st world country, and it never follows any laws, or rules. Ask the united nations.

Israel has no morals, or ethics, on anything = typical secular state.

Disgusting.

Atheism, in 20th century must of killed 100million people.
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Nice going there for you people not believing in some god.
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Old 19-05-2018, 10:07 PM   #20
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If you study the Old Testament with an open mind you should see that the god or gods were not as a universal creator would behave. In other words more like otherworldly controllers.

If you study the New testament you should see through the manipulation of the Roman church and the Vatican and how even how some of the elite in the church have been deceived 'big' time.

God to me is separate from the concept of 'religion'.
I cannot argue against this truth.

Have you seen the latest Catholic money grab?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_bvGTc6SM8

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