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Old 06-04-2009, 02:44 AM   #1
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Default No "Fade to Black" in this video.

The video title is a bit misleading, but I look at all 9/11 video.

This video shows some falling people and other ufo stuff unrelated, but it shows the "famed" clip which Ace Baker and others use to attempt to bolster their fakery case.

Not only is the plane visible but there is NO FADE TO BLACK.


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Old 06-04-2009, 08:53 AM   #2
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:58 AM   #3
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The video title is a bit misleading, but I look at all 9/11 video.

This video shows some falling people and other ufo stuff unrelated, but it shows the "famed" clip which Ace Baker and others use to attempt to bolster their fakery case.

Not only is the plane visible but there is NO FADE TO BLACK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV7KN...eature=related

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In that clip the nose of the plane can clearly be seen coming way out the other side of the tower?
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:07 AM   #4
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The video title is a bit misleading, but I look at all 9/11 video.

This video shows some falling people and other ufo stuff unrelated, but it shows the "famed" clip which Ace Baker and others use to attempt to bolster their fakery case.

Not only is the plane visible but there is NO FADE TO BLACK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV7KN...eature=related

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There is no FOX Chopper 5 footage in this video.
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:42 AM   #5
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In that clip the nose of the plane can clearly be seen coming way out the other side of the tower?
What plane ??

Stann duhh !
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:47 AM   #6
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What plane ??

Stann duhh !
The CGI plane or real missle

Whatever it was a real plane couldnt do that.

That was my point.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:26 AM   #7
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Whatever it was a real plane couldnt do that.
of course .. and again you provide nothing more than an opinion..

Got anything else to drink ??

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Old 06-04-2009, 12:27 PM   #8
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Stann,

This isn't chopper 5, its just from a similar angle. We know it is not chopper 5 because there is no zoom in right before the plane crashes. This is why there is no fade to black.

I can't even see the nose out in this video although it may be because it is too small. It would be a greater indictment of RPT if there wasn't a nose out in this video than if there was, since the video is from the same angle as chopper 5.
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:31 PM   #9
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My guess is that this is a response made after the fact to Ace Baker's analysis of chopper 5.

In this video there seems to be a plane in what would have been the wide shot in Ace's analysis and there isn't a nose out as far as I can see. The two videos seem to contradict each other, so one of them at least must be fake.

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Old 06-04-2009, 04:06 PM   #10
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This isn't chopper 5, its just from a similar angle. We know it is not chopper 5 because there is no zoom in right before the plane crashes. This is why there is no fade to black.

I can't even see the nose out in this video although it may be because it is too small. It would be a greater indictment of RPT if there wasn't a nose out in this video than if there was, since the video is from the same angle as chopper 5.
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My guess is that this is a response made after the fact to Ace Baker's analysis of chopper 5.

In this video there seems to be a plane in what would have been the wide shot in Ace's analysis and there isn't a nose out as far as I can see. The two videos seem to contradict each other, so one of them at least must be fake.
Bear in mind that Stann has 'peer-reviewed' Ace Baker's Composites pdf and declared it to be "flawed". He claims it's so "flawed" that it's not even worth him spending time pointing out the flaws!

So how is it possible for Stann to mistake the centrepiece of Ace Baker's work, a FOX clip shot from a chopper, with zoom-in and nose out, for an amateur video filmed from ground level using a hand-held camera, with no zoom-in and no nose out?

Either he's a total clown or he's done it on purpose for reasons which are beyond me.

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Old 06-04-2009, 08:27 PM   #11
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The video title is a bit misleading, but I look at all 9/11 video.

This video shows some falling people and other ufo stuff unrelated, but it shows the "famed" clip which Ace Baker and others use to attempt to bolster their fakery case.

Not only is the plane visible but there is NO FADE TO BLACK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV7KN...eature=related

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These are video shots that were submitted after the fact. They were not live broadcast shots.

MAJOR POINTS:
I concede that this does not 100% prove that there were no planes. HOWEVER - are you 100% sure that this could not have been adjusted before it was broadcast, with it being a video?

Do you know for an absolute fact that it was not handed into the FBI like they requested all video and photo evidence to be?

This is the major problem with this debate; I stand up to all the ridicule and stand by my assertion that I cannopt accept video evidence as proof of an event; it goes into a body of evidence.

Of all the presentable evidence possible photo/video evidence is the easiest to fake and the hardest to prove.
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:54 PM   #12
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Either he's a total clown or he's done it on purpose for reason's which are beyond me.
I just found the video yesterday .. never seen it before. But it dawned on me that there was no fade to black and the video is a different "shoot" from a different, but similar angle..

Irrespective of what "rules" you have for your theory .. in terms of what is allowable and what is not allowable when you consider video footage .. what we have here is an enigma.

Another member said this ..

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The two videos seem to contradict each other, so one of them at least must be fake.
Well if we decide one of them is fake .. which one is it ?

The one with the "fade to black" or the one "without fade to black"

.. could it be possible that the one with fade to black and nose out is NOT the fake ? .. if so then the other one must be fake .. by default.

However the one with fade to black and nose out has been declared by some to be absolute proof of video fakery ..?? AND so must be a fake .. which means the other one is real .. or if you want to be a clown it is a fake of a fake .. .. to make it seem real !!!!

So what is real ??? And what is an illusion.

Maybe they are both real .. they can't both be fakes can they ?

How about you bryan .. what do you think ?

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Old 06-04-2009, 11:22 PM   #13
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Well if we decide one of them is fake .. which one is it ?

The one with the "fade to black" or the one "without fade to black"

.. could it be possible that the one with fade to black and nose out is NOT the fake ? .. if so then the other one must be fake .. by default.

However the one with fade to black and nose out has been declared by some to be absolute proof of video fakery ..?? AND so must be a fake .. which means the other one is real .. or if you want to be a clown it is a fake of a fake .. .. to make it seem real !!!!

So what is real ??? And what is an illusion.

Maybe they are both real .. they can't both be fakes can they ?

How about you bryan .. what do you think ?

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Stann,

The fade to black is put into the live video when the control room for Fox television cut out of the live feed. The second video was not produced by the same studio. It is supposed to be an amateur shot. There is no reason for a fade to black in this second shot.

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Old 06-04-2009, 11:24 PM   #14
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I had a plausible story how they could both be fake above, the second was created to cover up nose out in the first.

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Old 07-04-2009, 12:05 AM   #15
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Well if we decide one of them is fake .. which one is it ?

The one with the "fade to black" or the one "without fade to black"

.. could it be possible that the one with fade to black and nose out is NOT the fake ? .. if so then the other one must be fake .. by default.

However the one with fade to black and nose out has been declared by some to be absolute proof of video fakery ..?? AND so must be a fake .. which means the other one is real .. or if you want to be a clown it is a fake of a fake .. .. to make it seem real !!!!

So what is real ??? And what is an illusion.

Maybe they are both real .. they can't both be fakes can they ?

How about you bryan .. what do you think ?
Is there any reason why anybody should take you seriously? You seem to have read Ace Baker's paper and not understood a word of it. No wonder you think no planes is a dead duck.

See below for a simplified explanation. I know you've only just read it in another post, but it can't do any harm to go over it again, especially when you're finding it so difficult.

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The fade to black is put into the live video when the control room for Fox television cut out of the live feed. The second video was not produced by the same studio. It is supposed to be an amateur shot. There is no reason for a fade to black in this second shot.
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:09 AM   #16
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How about you tell us what you think bryan .. that would be useful in terms of a debate.

You do recognize that there is still an enigma even with abababba's input.

Sort of a spanner in the NPT's works mate .. !

.. isn't it.

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Old 07-04-2009, 07:46 AM   #17
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How about you tell us what you think bryan .. that would be useful in terms of a debate.

You do recognize that there is still an enigma even with abababba's input.

Sort of a spanner in the NPT's works mate .. !

.. isn't it.

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For what it's worth, I think they're both fakes. I think the Fox chopper was a near live composite with an inserted cgi plane. I think the shot in the op of this thread is a fake made to look like ameture footage. It would be interesting to know when this shot surfaced.
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For what it's worth, I think they're both fakes. I think the Fox chopper was a near live composite with an inserted cgi plane. I think the shot in the op of this thread is a fake made to look like ameture footage. It would be interesting to know when this shot surfaced.
Tell this to someone looking at this matter objectively. The rest of us have a fucking agenda damn it, now look at how I sign the bottom of my post like a pompous little twit.



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Old 07-04-2009, 10:00 AM   #20
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For what it's worth, I think they're both fakes. I think the Fox chopper was a near live composite with an inserted cgi plane. I think the shot in the op of this thread is a fake made to look like ameture footage. It would be interesting to know when this shot surfaced.
So .. in effect .. what you are saying is that something real happened which isn't in the vids and pics .. which are all fakes .. OK..

.. and resulted in the damage to the towers .. ?

Did I get that right ??

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