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Old 11-06-2017, 12:47 PM   #801
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The rock art has been dated and shows firstly men chasing the herd animals then a phase of painting showing domesticated animals. There's no farming or hunting at all there now but the rise of settlements and the rise in farming and domestic animals go hand in hand.

What that does over time is stop the animals migrating when the rains come or the grass gets overgrazed and also replaces natural grasses with mono culture crops. Both these lead to soil erosion.

This soil deterioration will also happen in the US overtime since the genocide of the bison herds less than 150 years ago. No amount of fertilizer can do what 50 million bison can do over millenia.
What you say is true. But in order for cities to survive, they need to be fed with resources from the land by rail, canal, road, shipping and airfreight, mostly by road. If people were spread out evenly there would be less need of roads as drones could be used as prime delivery systems while local produce is farmed manufactured and traded localy.

Spread out communities would be easier to defend and harder to attack. Spread out communities would have more contact with the land and so would be able to plant trees and irrigate dry areas and run desalination plants to irrigate areas where fresh water is scarce.

In ancient times, sustainable techniques in farming were used in most parts of the world. Even till comparatively recently, sustainable farming techniques were used in most parts of the world. Only in the last 500 years have companies polluted rivers and driven species to extinction. Even 500 years ago the world was comparatively lush compared to how it is now. City living is clearly the problem. The solution is not to live in cities.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:55 PM   #802
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The rock art has been dated and shows firstly men chasing the herd animals then a phase of painting showing domesticated animals. There's no farming or hunting at all there now but the rise of settlements and the rise in farming and domestic animals go hand in hand.

What that does over time is stop the animals migrating when the rains come or the grass gets overgrazed and also replaces natural grasses with mono culture crops. Both these lead to soil erosion.

This soil deterioration will also happen in the US overtime since the genocide of the bison herds less than 150 years ago. No amount of fertilizer can do what 50 million bison can do over millenia.
Is there any proof that these "hunter/gatherer" species of man was not simply humans trying to survive after the great deluge, moving from area to area to forage food whilst they sourced and secured area's that were suitable to farm?
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Old 11-06-2017, 01:41 PM   #803
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This soil deterioration will also happen in the US overtime since the genocide of the bison herds less than 150 years ago. No amount of fertilizer can do what 50 million bison can do over millenia.
Quite so. Without Bison urine there would have been no fertile prairie ( a Bison's fourth stomach carries 600 pints), migrating from Asia to America some 400,000 years ago, yet the US railroads put paid to all that in a few decades, not only through hungry US railroad workers, but with the likes of Wyatt Earp & 'Buffalo' Bill Cody taking it upon themselves to pick them off at a rate of a hundred an hour from the windows or roofs of moving trains for fun, introducing a new national bloodsport.

It was all over by 1890, the cull for trade or sport amounted to the slaughter of 70 million Bison in total, with only 635 Bison surviving. Prior to Western settlers arriving, Bison herds could stretch 50 miles long by 20 miles wide. Only 1 in 5 of slaughtered Bison were put to commercial use, the rest rotted on the ground. The GDP of the 50 year Buffalo trade to the American economy was around $20 million...about 28 cents per beast. Hunters paid at $2 per hide( known as 'robes') to supply the British army with quality boots and 25 cents for a Bison tongue. Given the native American Indian relied on Bison the US Govt. decided on systematic extermination of the whole herd would be the quickest route to ethnic cleansing.

Today the North American herd has increased to 350,000 mainly used in tourism (several thousand dwell in Yellowstone National Park) or farmed : 400 lbs of edible meat per animal, with 90% less fat and a third more protein than beef, red meat from Bison is used by some companies as dog food.

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Old 11-06-2017, 10:35 PM   #804
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They are all miscarriages of justice in my opinion
If the law is not being administered correctly then the system of law and order needs revising.

I am appalled about the Iranian rapist professor who raped and all the other lecturers stood by him because of his religion and against the victim and her rights..
would you say all Iranians are like this and perhaps we should bomb the shit out of that nation?
Send it back to the Stone Age like Iraq and Syria?
That'll learn em
no. i think i made it abundantly clear they (muslims) are not all the same.

also i think we shouldn't have been screwing around over there in the first case.

but since democracy doesn't seem to work, "we" were there. and since the frame work of law doesn't work, now that they are here, and, some of them not fit to be here, what would you suggest?

its funny we sit here arguing about something we have no control over. how sad is that?

it seems to come down to woulda shoulda coulda in the end. and it wont end well.
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no. i think i made it abundantly clear they (muslims) are not all the same.

also i think we shouldn't have been screwing around over there in the first case.

but since democracy doesn't seem to work, "we" were there. and since the frame work of law doesn't work, now that they are here, and, some of them not fit to be here, what would you suggest?
War.

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its funny we sit here arguing about something we have no control over. how sad is that?

it seems to come down to woulda shoulda coulda in the end. and it wont end well.
In the end if the society cannot meet its own needs, or has become so dysfunctional that it can't meet its own needs then the only recourse is war. And for war to take hold, people must fight to the death. The war must then esculate until the entire infrastructure of the society has been utterly demolished. This quite literaly means no building left standing and a phenomenal amount of death, probably to the very brink of complete extinction of our species.

That is what I would suggest. It may seem harsh but it's the only way, unless a miracle was to happen where society began functioning, but I'm a realist not an idealist. The best thing to do is to prepare to die.
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In the end if the society cannot meet its own needs, or has become so dysfunctional that it can't meet its own needs then the only recourse is war. And for war to take hold, people must fight to the death. The war must then esculate until the entire infrastructure of the society has been utterly demolished. This quite literaly means no building left standing and a phenomenal amount of death, probably to the very brink of complete extinction of our species.

That is what I would suggest. It may seem harsh but it's the only way, unless a miracle was to happen where society began functioning, but I'm a realist not an idealist. The best thing to do is to prepare to die.
from the moment you are born. its inevitable after all.
but i'll add this. if a people wont try to preserve themselves, maybe they dont deserve to live. not only that but it seems a fair number seem ready to check out without so much as a whimper. looks almost like suicide. such a guilty lot they are...
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from the moment you are born. its inevitable after all.
but i'll add this. if a people wont try to preserve themselves, maybe they dont deserve to live. not only that but it seems a fair number seem ready to check out without so much as a whimper. looks almost like suicide. such a guilty lot they are...
That is dissapointing. If they are just willing to check out without even a fight, then they won't so much die as waste away and become ghosts. Or, perhaps that has already happened. I can imagine about three warriors turning up to do battle, prepaired to go down in a blaze of glory, only to discover that the enemy has so little solidity that there is nothing that is substantial enough to fight. Then what, we find we have no war and no peace, just a shadow of a theoretical past.
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What are they trying to tell us?

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I have found 4 stories about the confirmed “heroes” in the Black & Blue steakhouse, which contradict each other...

The first version of what happened in the Black & Blue, is Roy Larner’s, who by his own account was the (only) hero in the Black & Blue.
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Millwall soccer fan Roy Larner, 47, has been heralded as “the Lion of London Bridge”.
Larner launched himself at the trio that ran in to the Black & Blue bar in Borough Market shouting, “This is for Allah” and “Islam, Islam, Islam'.
Larner left with horrific injuries after being stabbed 8 times, and is recovering in intensive care from surgery. Larner has two 10-inch scars on the side of his face and neck and his lung collapsed. He has lost his glasses and his hands are bandaged up past his elbows.
Larner swung wildly at the 3 “terrorists”:
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I was on my own against all three of them, that's why I got hurt so much. (...)
I got stabbed and sliced eight times
. They got me in my head, chest and both hands. There was blood everywhere.
It’s amazing that these 3 terrorists slashed Larner and he survived: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...errorists.html

Geoff Ho is the business editor at the Sunday Express and martial artist. According to some stories in the state media, Geoff got stabbed in the throat while protecting the lone bouncer on the door of the Southwark Tavern: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...eroic-10557375

The second version of what happened in the Black & Blue is the following even more amazing story on the heroics of Geoff Ho, as reported by Geoff Ho.
Geoff had watched the Champions League final, and then left towards the Tube station, when he saw two unarmed drunken idiots outside The Southwark attacking a lone bouncer.
Geoff used some amazing talking, to keep the pair of “yobs” from their attacks, and they were quickly taken away by the cops...
This version is different than the stories I had read, because Geoff isn’t stabbed, they are taken away, and they aren´t even the 3 “terrorists”…

Then it gets more interesting...
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Instead of walking 20 yards to the Tube and my train home, I turned left and went to the Black & Blue steakhouse five doors up the road. I’d done my good deed for the day.
I helped break up a fight and defended a bouncer from two attackers. Job done, I deserve a quick beer and some food I thought. A quick Facebook update and I entered the restaurant, said “hi” to everyone and told them what happened outside the Tavern.
One of the girls called me a drama queen and teased that I was in the Black & Blue to hide from friends of the yobs.
I feigned outrage and laughed. We all did.
Seconds later a waitress locked the door and said something before running to the back.
Then I saw them. The three terrorists were outside.
Immediately time slowed down. Years of martial arts training means that my mind can focus, so that when trouble really starts, I can remain calm. Calm is good.
Calm keeps people alive. Panic is the enemy. My first reaction was actually annoyance.
“Here we go. The two losers I helped get nicked have friends,” I thought. “They must be here after me. I have to fix this.”
They started kicking the door. I knew it wouldn’t hold for long, maybe just seconds. My mind, continually working, assessing and correcting, processing all the information available.
“Oh no. This isn’t three losers having a go, this is something else. This is serious.” I raised my hands, moved instantly into combat stance. Years of training have come to this.
I can and I will fight, I will defend my friends. Whatever the cost. The mind processes everything, so quickly, so precisely, when you’re calm.
I’m not anywhere near a hero like Geoff Ho, and am no good at martial arts, still it’s easy to see the flaws in what he supposedly did. According to his own reliable statements, Geoff attacked the “terrorists” with his bare hands, while there are a lot of weapons in a bar that could have been used against them.
Not even speaking that probably a mere 5 men in the bar armed with chairs could have beaten up the 3 “terrorists” armed with knives.


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As the terrorists were trying to break in, I noticed the knives they had. Christ, they’re large, maybe 12 inches?
I’ve done hundreds of knife defence drills over the years but only against knifes half that size. At most. Still, no time for what-ifs. The door buckled.
The terrorists were coming in and I saw that they looked like they had suicide vests on. Metal canisters with wires. Oh no. In less than a split second I knew that my approach had to change; I couldn’t just attack.
If I charged at them, maybe I could take out one or two. But one of those animals could detonate and kill us all. Too many people would get hurt or worse.
I had to face them, I had to delay them, no matter what. I knew that out of everyone there, my skills and training meant that I had the best chance of delaying the attackers until the police arrived or they’d get everyone.
“Keep them focused on you. Then they can’t hurt the others.”
I knew the police were coming. They had to be. I knew it in my bones.
Buy them time, shield everyone. That’s your only job now. If they get past you, maybe no one goes home.
The attackers stormed in and started yelling, ordering people to “Lie down on the ground! Get down on the ground!” I knew that if anyone did that, they’d be dead. I had to delay them, stall them any way I could.
Ironically that is an accurate description of the police storming in one of the restaurants, yelling “Lie down on the ground! Get down on the ground!”…


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With my hands up, trying to look non-threatening, I stared back at them and said one word: NO.
Firmly. Calmly. The one in the blue Arsenal away shirt walked toward me, barking “get on the floor!”. Again, I said no.
I took a step back, keeping the knives at a distance and tried to keep them talking, not attacking anyone. “Talking is good. It buys time,” I said to myself.
“They aren’t stabbing, they aren’t exploding. Keep them away from everyone else.” Most of my friends and the staff had hid under tables or in rooms but one, a young lad, was frozen behind me.
Keep the kid behind me was my only thought. The attackers were getting agitated and kept yelling. “This is it,” I thought. Their eyes were full of rage. Hate.
It was about to go down.
You may lose track of certain details during life and death situations but some are indelibly stamped into your mind. The creature in the Arsenal shirt snapped and came at me first, then his clean shaven accomplice.
I had no idea where the third, the one with the full beard, had run off to. I could only deal with what was in front of me.
During the blur, the Arsenal attacker struck at my throat, but I must have blocked enough of the knife to make sure it didn’t kill me outright. Or maybe he was just that poorly trained in knife combat that he just failed.
The cut marks on my hands suggest I tried to catch the blade. In any case, he failed to kill me.
The Arsenal with the face fuzz tried stabbing me in the stomach but I guess the training kicked in, as I instinctively leapt back and all I got there were very small scratches on my stomach. As I dodged those attacks, I think I may even have got a hit in.
I have no idea where a third slash, which hit my chin, came from. To be honest, I can’t be totally sure about the exact sequence of how the attack took place, it was over so quickly.
I fell down, but still on my feet, clutching my throat. Our assailants had run off. My friend was lying behind me, in a ball, clutching his face. He had a facial wound, but we had no time, we had to go.

“Come on mate, we’ve gotta go.” I grabbed and bundled him towards the restaurant’s staff changing room. We helped make sure we moved onwards. Carrying each other, we made it.
While he locked the door and I clutched my neck to try to staunch the bleeding, I gave him my phone and told him everything he needed to tell the police, quickly and precisely.
Just facts. He did and as he talked on my phone, he rummaged around the staff locker room to find more clothes to use as makeshift bandages to help me try and stop my bleeding.
At this point, I thought I had done my bit and was ready to stop. Stop talking. To sit. To close my eyes. But the lad kept me talking. That probably kept me alive.
Within seconds armed police were on the scene. I told them calmly, succinctly, what had happened, what the attackers looked like and that they had suicide vests on.
They radioed the information in and quickly escorted me and my friend out of the Black & Blue.
We can rule out that the 47-year-old Larner is the “young lad” behind Geoff...
In the video of Geoff where he walks with a hand on his throat, these “makeshift bandages” are nowhere in sight...


I guess the work a hero is never done, even after all of his heroics and his own life threatening injuries, Geoff continued to only worry about others…
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Inside there was already a man being frantically treated for multiple stab wounds to the back. Then another paramedic yelled to clear room for another patient, who had suffered head and neck wounds and was bleeding profusely, too.
He couldn’t get in, so I jumped out of my seat, still clutching my left hand to my neck to keep control of my own bleeding, and grabbed him with my right hand and pulled him in. The paramedic jumped straight in behind us and got to work on him, as the driver gunned the engine and made sure we all got to hospital at breakneck speed.
And of course, a real hero wouldn’t boast about his own heroics (like putting a message on Facebook about protecting a bouncer...). If this remarkable story is true, we all have to agree that Geoff is a “real” hero: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/815...-ho-hero-story

Geoff Ho was visited by Prince Charles and Duchess Camilla at the Royal London Hospital. Maybe I’m alone to think that a “real” hero wouldn’t bow down to a Royal mass murderer; here’s a picture with Charles.



The third version is by cab driver Aksha Patel, who hailed an unnamed female passenger as a “hero” for barricading the door of the Black & Blue restaurant “for a few seconds” to stop knife wielding terrorists attacking diners.
He added: “They managed to escape from the rear door, possibly saving 20 people’s lives”: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7772011.html
This hero woman is missing in the other versions of the events...


The fourth version is by the Belgian Alex (probably Alex Nypels, who worked as a supervisor at the Feng Sushi, across the street from the Black & Blue) told that after the 3 terrorists tried in vain to enter the restaurant where he works, they entered the packed Black & Blue, after which he saw people storming out of the front door: http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.en...News/1.2995743
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The attacker couldn't get in and picked a different target: the Black & Blue, just across the road, which was still packed with customers. "People came storming out, some falling. Me and my colleagues, we locked ourselves up in the store room in the basement of our restaurant, put out the lights, called the police and waited...”
Please note that Alex talks about only one “attacker”...
The following story describes what happened in the words of the Belgian Alex in Dutch.
Alex details that after the single “attacker” entered the Black & Blue, there was panic, and people ran out and trampled each other: http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/39906/Aansl...de-doden.dhtml

I believe that this is a translation from French, which I don’t speak well enough to translate. If I understand correctly, Alex describes that people ran out to the Black & Blue through the front door, which contradicts the other 3 versions of what happened.
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...cryptic caption time with photo above there methinks...
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Old 19-06-2017, 04:07 PM   #811
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I have found more interesting information on the reported ringleader of this “terrorist attack” - Khuram Shazad (Abz) Butt.
When Butt was 8, he was hit by a car near his house in East London breaking his teeth and damaging his leg (in 1998 or 1999). According to a neighbour, the family received £2,500 in compensation from the insurers.
As a result Khuram Butt’s leg was permanently damaged, this caused him to walk with a limp until he died.

Butt was the “terrorist” in the blue Arsenal shirt, nr. 4.
I haven’t heard witnesses claiming that the terrorist in the Arsenal shirt walked with a limp. As far as I can tell, in the video of the shooting of the 3 terrorists, he walks with a limp…

What’s also interesting is that according to a neighbour, “just hours before the London Bridge atrocity”, Butt was “euphoric” and asked “about his van and how much it would cost to hire one”: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...uram-Butt.html


Gabriel Sciotto is the Italian professional “documentary photographer” based in London that shot the famous pictures of the dead “terrorists”.
Gabriel Sciotto has also made a video of the events.
He’s standing outside filming while making comments in (broken) English.
Some cops tell Sciotto to move out of the way and we see some people running by, nobody injured (5 minutes): http://www.ansa.it/sito/videogallery...31dbfc1a2.html

The most suspicious in this video is that Gabriel Sciotto was allowed to make this video and photograph the dead “terrorists”.
I’ve seen a video in the basement of the German-themed bar Katzenjammers where the police orders people to lie down on the ground. There are other photos that show people that have to run with their hands behind their head, ordered by the cops.

Here’s another photo by Sciotto of the dead Khuram Butt, with the head and hand of Butt precisely visible between the legs of the cop…


One of the striking things in the 3 recent “terror attacks” in Britain (22 March, 22 May, and 3 June) is that the injured victims and the family of the diseased tell a tale of state propaganda: we stand united and we will never let these terrorists destroy or way of live.

On the night of 13/14 June another tragedy struck London, when the whole Grenfell Tower was burned down, killing 58 people (first reports claimed this was caused by a fridge).
Spontaneous protests broke out, with the victims demanding answers, complaints about insufficient fire precautions, the yell to “Stand up to racism” and a demand for help – “Justice for Grenfell”: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-anger-mounts

In the London Bridge and Boroughs Market “terror attack”, according to the state media, law enforcement knew that all 3 “terrorists” had plans to join ISIS, while this wasn’t a “lone wolf attack”…
Why aren’t there (relatives of) victims to claim that MI5 let this happen on purpose?

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due to an 'error'? leaves on the tracks?
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Hello st jimmy and thank you for your "interest" ...


I have repled here on the Event Relationships Discussion thread


That's where I will gladly have a discussion about the method, not here.






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I guess that nobody pays any attention anymore to the posts of Markgobell, but this post on Operation Temperer is some good stuff: https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost...&postcount=602
Agreed that this 1 was really good
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to the Manchester Arena "bombing" event on 22 May 2017 is :


INTerval =


= 666 days
But this springs to [m]ind when you look at just this [t]hread alone
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The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.
all though I wouldnt like to be the one who has to read through all the other stuff to find the good stuff lol
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