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Old 08-12-2011, 07:53 PM   #61
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No. The tattoo ID system was implemented in order to keep better track of the inmates. It was only partly implemented though - not every inmate got such a tattoo.

Dehumanize? Well, the Nazis gave people warm bunks to sleep in, good clothes, good food, let them receive presents from their family, let them play soccer and perform theatre etc. I think they could have been far more ..dehumanizing.. had they wished to.
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shallow, superficial and deceitful............ They transported many of them in cattle cars.

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An SS officer de-mands that the narrator's father, an old man, remove his clothes. Neverbefore had the holy man stood entirely naked even before his own eyes.When the officer saw that his victim still persisted in wearing under-clothes, socks, and skull-cap, the brute struck him, and he fell. "He gavea groan that was like the finishing of a last prayer, after which there isno lnore prayer, only a clouded sky, a heap of corpses, and a live offi-cer." The blood from the saintly father's face turned the snow red. . . .sLet us consider how the concept "Holocaust" is to be understood, We resort first to German phraseology for the sake of grappling, asthough from inside Nazi demonry itself, with the eschatological andsalvational nature of the Judenoernichtung, the total annihilation ofJews, The German Nazis determined upon dle Endl'dsung der luden-frage ("the Final Solution of the question of Jews").

This formulationwas put forth officially on 20 January 1942 at a conference at Gross-Wannsee, although the actual decision was probably made earlier.5 TheWannsee dictum was the logical consummation of, or it merely gave expression to, a resolve whose roots are traceable to 1919, when AdolfHitler declared that his ultimate objective was "the removal of the Jewsaltogether," "Removal" became physical "extermination"-a term de-liberately chosen for its association with verminous creatures-when such total elimination of Jews from existence was seen as the essential element in Hitler's apocalyptic struggle to create the new age of themaster race.

According to the minutes of the Wannsee Conference, the eleven million Jews of all Europe were marked for death.6 Yet it is misleadingto comprehend the Holocaust solely within the Aktion of simple killing.

The Endlijsung means that everything is permitted now, any and every method is to be utilized in the struggle-indeed, in the enjoying of the struggle-to obliterate the single pestilence that is destroying the entire world: the jew. The German Nazis taught that the Jew is the untermensch, the contaminator from below. The Jew is anti-human,Gegenrasse. Accordingly, his name is to be taken away; he does not de-serve a name. He is only a number tattooed into his flesh.

The Endlijsung is the competitive "race of the dead" at Treblinkaand elsewhere, a physiological competition that makes one man's sur-vival absolutely dependent upon the next man's extinction. For the raceof death decreed which prisoners would be murdered and which ones"spared."At the heart of the Endlijsung is the utilization of Jews as officiallyselected agents for reviling and torturing their fellow Jews. The-Jew isturned into the accomplice of his executioners. Thus, the Endliisung isultimate degradation: the attempted dehumanization of the Jew as wellas the torture process that makes this possible. The Endltjsung is meantto be total mental, physical, and spiritual breakdown. It is the ontic sep-aration of children and parents, wives and husbands. Child, parent,wife, husband-all these are enforced witnesses to the suffering andannihilation of their loved ones.The chronology of what the Dutch psychiatrist Jan Bastiaans calls"das perfide System" was: Declare the Jew to be the (Jntermensch orCegenrasse; then do everything to make him this, thereby vindicatingyour major premise; and only then, kill him.

In this respect, the Endlii-sung had nothing to do with the specific advent of death, for the ultimate shamefulness lay in staying alive. Objectively speaking, death was transfigured into a form of mercy, Death became salvation-although,of course, the manner of death incarnated the dehumanization and was the mirror image of the terror. It is often said that the nightmares of thecaptives were more frightening than their encounter with death.

Speaking of life in the Vilna ghetto, Abba Kovner, who helped lead the uprising there, attests that the most appalling thing was not death,but to be defiled to the depths of one's soul every hour of the day.8 But perhaps the ultimate in attempted dehumanization was the German Nazi effort to obliterate the Jews and Jewishness from all human memory................These and the many other acts of resistance refute the misleadingand immoral stereotype that the Jews of Europe simply went to theirdeaths with sheeplike compliance. In this resistance the kingdom of night was confronted by the dawning kingdom of day.

Our understanding of the concept "Holocaust" itself poses momentous questions. For example, what is the relation of the Holocaust to different "holocausts," to other acts of mass human destruction? This Hol-ocaust, whose weight we have taken upon ourselves-in what ways is ita singular event? Such questions will engage us throughout these pages.There is the valley of the shadow of death.

And there is the Endlij-sung, that much deeper valley of historical dehumanization, terror, ag-ony, and final murder of the Jew only because he is a jew. Yet there isalso the historic resistance of the Jew to the war against him. A singlelight burns: the German Nazi campaign to dehumanize the Jewish peo-ple was a total failure. Jewry as a whole refused to fall to the level of the Untermensch. Only those who became the real Untermenschen didthat: the enemies of the Jews...
............This leads us to one other fundamental dilemma. The problem istied to the bafflement many have confessed before the Judenoernichtung. They ask: how is the unspeakable to be spoken about?

We ought to speak of it all right, but how can we ever do so? Again, how are we to engage in scholarly work upon a subject that staggers the mind and stabs the soul: the human effects of this crusading-political-technological annihilation of an infinity of children, women, and men?

We place the children first in our listing, as a reminder that their de-stroyers robbed them of human completeness. Woe to those who despise the little ones! (Matt. 18:10). Very largely, this book is nothing morethan a sequel to a children's story of a dread kind. In the Holocaustsome one and one-half million Jewish children were destroyed. Theyoungest of children were chased, clubbed, and shot, as if vicious crimi-nals, merely for attempting to smuggle food into the starving ghettos.

The Kinderaktions (roundups of children for transport to the killingcenters) were among the most brutal and thorough of the many SS-police seizures. Most children were immediately put to death upon reaching the camps.

The older and stronger ones were put to work as laborers, usually for about six months. Then they were murdered.The tradition of Jews remembering the suffering and deaths oftheir people in literary and liturgical laments is centuries old. Elias Canetti, a Bulgarian-born Jew writing in 1945, insisted that this traditionmust now cease, precisely when there is the greatest reason for it. Why?

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Old 08-12-2011, 08:10 PM   #62
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They transported many of them in cattle cars.
True. Of practical reasons. Not the worst thing that could happen. I bet the Soviets' cattle cars and train trips were a lot worse though. Lower standard and much longer journeys.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:10 PM   #63
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Hitler and the NAZIs goal was to eliminate Jews from earthly existence......


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In their chapter entitled "Singularity," they discuss the moral uniqueness of the Holocaust and how, within this uniqueness, the Jewish experience was "uniquely unique." How so? It is undeniable that the Final Solution (die Endlösung) formed the critical core of the Holocaust. The Final Solution was not an attempt to destroy some or even many Jews. Rather, it was an act of violence fueled by a fury aimed at the obliteration of the Jewish people as such. Non-Jews had options. But Jews seeking escape via conversion or even by swearing fealty to Hitler ultimately met the same fate as any other Jew. The Nuremberg Laws insured that. But how can the authors affirm the Holocaust as "uniquely unique" vis-a-vis the Jews without denigrating other acts of genocide?

They decry any attempt to subject different forms and cases of human suffering to "competitive criteria." They state that "human suffering is not a quantitative matter subject to some form of objective measurement, but is instead a qualitative condition to be apprehended in existential terms, through the faculty of sympathy." So they call for an approach to the Holocaust which uses a dialectic of continuity (the Holocaust and the solidarity of all human beings in suffering) and discontinuity (the "uniquely unique" experience of the Jews in the Holocaust). They contend that only by employing such a dialectic can we avoid the obscenity of addressing Holocaust survivors by reminding them, for example, of the horrors of the Vietnamese, or the equal obscenity of reminding the Vietnamese sufferers about Auschwitz. Rather, the dialectic of continuity/discontinuity allows the one remembrance to feed the other remembrances. It is their hope that by keeping this dialectic in mind, readers will not construe their stress upon the moral singularity of the Holocaust and its "uniquely unique" Jewish aspect as an "implicit insensitivity to non-Holocaust sufferers." Readers of this volume will find no cause to accuse the authors of insensitivity.
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Old 09-12-2011, 06:05 AM   #64
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Some true stories from the holocaust.

An extract from Olga Lengyel's book " Five chimneys: a woman's survivor story of Auschwitz "

"After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies.. Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry." (Lengyel, 'Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz’ pp 80 - 81).

An extract from Kitty Hart's book " Return to Auschwitz"

"Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period." (Hart, "Return to Auschwitz" p 118).


An extract from Martin Gibert's book "Auschwitz and the allies"

"The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmo, Sobibor and Treblinka." (Gilbert, Auschwitz and the Allies, p.26).

So this means, according to Gilbert, if 100,000 jews were gassed every day then the 6million figure was reached in two months. A short holocaust. And this is not even including Auschwitz.
All from the pens of Jews themselves!
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:56 AM   #65
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Not exactly. Then they would have simply killed them. They didn't: They put them in camps and gave them very good care. The aim was of course deportation out of Europe, but no countries offered to help with this. They didn't even allow the Jews into their countries. So the Nazis were left with this "hot Jew potato" and couldn't get rid of them. Unless they'd decide to murder them, but that was never an option.
It's so ridiculous it's madness some people believe it.

Why bother gassing Jews? The Germans, masters of efficiency that they are could of systematically killed vastly more Jews through more conventional means. Such as bullets than gassing.
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Old 09-12-2011, 07:39 PM   #66
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The Neuengamme concentration camp, a Nazi concentration camp, was established in 1938 by the SS near the village of Neuengamme in Bergedorf district within the City of Hamburg, Germany. It was in operation from 1938 to 1945. By the end of the war, more than half of its estimated 106,000 prisoners had died. After being used for two prisons by the Hamburg authorities from 1948 to 2004, the site now serves as a memorial. It is situated 15 km southeast of the centre of Hamburg in the Vierlande area.

A sick Polish survivor in the Hannover-Ahlem concentration camp receives medicine from a German Red Cross worker.
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Inmates were from 28 nationalities (Soviets (34,350), Polish (16,900), French (11,500), German (9,200), Dutch (6,950), Belgian (4,800), Danish (4,800)) and also from the local Jewish community, but also included communists, homosexuals, prostitutes, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, prisoners of war and many other persecuted groups. Of 106,000 inmates, almost half died. 20,400 victims, listed by name on the camp memorial Neuengamme, died in the camp and the subcamps. In actuality, an estimated 26,800 victims are known to have died there. During the last days of the camp and “evacuation” about 17,000 people died. At least 42,900 victims can be verified.


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The Kingdom of Night/NAZI Fascism is hopelessness.

The Kingdom of Day is not the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Kingdom of Night could not vanquish all Goodness.

The Kingdom of Day could not vanquish all Evil.

The Kingdom of Night is absolute dehumanization.

The Kindom of Day is absolute Humanization.
The Kingdom of Night is the slaughter of Jewish children.

The Kingdom of Day is the birth of Jewish children.

Political Soveriegnity for Jews is an essential for the Kingdom of Day.

Israel is the Rainbow. Genesis 9:16

It was the US armys Rainbow Division which liberated one of the Death camps.

Coincidence? YHWHs sign of covenanant with Humankind is the Rainbow, and from the horrors of a Death camp the inmates saw soldiers wearing a Rainbow.

Israel will not permit another Holocaust, which is what all the lies and propaganda on this Boards goal is.

The Ideology of the disposable Jew met it's nemesis in the 1940s'..Nuclear Power.


The World can no longer dispense Jewish fate.


Anthropotheism=Divinization of man..the NAZIs fatal mistake...........
NAZIism=Absolute control of humans-makes man god.



Malachi 2:10--Have we not all one Father.

Repay kindness with kindness, repay evil with justice.

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Contrary to Bjvorn preposterous, antihistorical claims, here is an example of NAZI 'care'.

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"NAZIism is the Archtype of Idolatry: Finite Human Power exceeds its limits, becomes Psuedo-Absolute, becomes the source of death rather then the source of life.

The Holocaust was the fruit of unlimited human freedom and power

The NAZIs claimed to synthesize economic equality with communal corporate wholeness and spiritual unity.

A desire to install a human as a god and thus pave the way for a final perfection, the human authority decided to destroy/annihilate the people of God, the Yahdaim/Jews.

When Absolute Human Power arose and 'claimed' to be god, then Israel of the Flesh became antithetical and an Enemy of the NAZI Totalitarian State.

the Shoa/Holocaust was the Triumph of Death, a denial of all value to life.

NAZI calculated that if they worked a Jew slave to death over a period of 9 months, the profit per slave was 1,631 RMs(1942). Profit margin was further increased by harvesting gold teeth, utilizing bones, hair, and ashes of the cremated remains.

It is one thing to murder humans it is quite another thing to Number them and turn them into ciphers whilst still alive.

The ultimate denial of the value and uniqeness of the Human Being.

By 1944 the NAZIs were spending less then 1/2 cent to kill a Jew.

Then the NAZIs decided to throw the Jewish children live into bonfires and crematoriums to save the 1/2 cent.

Beyond murder, these are Theological decisions, affirmations of antivalues.

They denied the Image of God/Tzelem Elokim.

They testified Human Life is worthless.

From the perspective of Auschwitz there is no hope.

The NAZIs also killed 500,000 Romani and other undesirables and also 4,000,000 of the 5.5 million Russian POWS.

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jewish people fled germany right up until germany stopped them .

with germany invading the whole of europe and with its sights on world domination what purpose would deportation ultimately serve exactly .

keep supporting the nazis bj they will back you into a corner and lead to your demise as history has shown us ,
national socialism cannot work its an oxy moron ffs

hitler and his madmen fooled the ignorant german people that his form of marxism was perfect when it was in fact the most flawed of any socio polictical system that had ever been tried , it depended on self sacrifice lies treachery and death to survive for even a short time .

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The Final Solution (German: Die Endlösung) was Nazi Germany's plan and execution of the systematic genocide of European Jews during World War II, resulting in the most deadly phase of the Holocaust. Heinrich Himmler was the chief architect of the plan, and the German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler termed it "the final solution to the Jewish question" (German: die Endlösung der Judenfrage)

In a February 26, 1942, letter to German diplomat Martin Luther, Reinhard Heydrich follows up on the Wannsee Conference by asking Luther for administrative assistance in the implementation of the "Endlösung der Judenfrage" (Final Solution to the Jewish Question)

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By the summer of 1942, Operation Reinhard began the systematic extermination of the Jews, although hundreds of thousands had already been killed by death squads and in mass pogroms. Heinrich Himmler's speech at the Posen Conference of October 6, 1943, for the first time, clearly elucidated to all assembled leaders of the Reich that the "Final Solution" meant that "all Jews would be killed"

To implement the "Final Solution" in the District Wartheland, the regional German authorities constructed the killing center Chelmno, about thirty miles northwest of Lodz. The SS and police killed at least 152,000 people, mostly Jews, but including a few thousand Roma (Gypsies) in gas vans.

To murder the Jews of "Greater Germany" as well as Jews residing in German-occupied or German-influenced areas of western, southern, southeastern and northern Europe, Himmler designated Auschwitz II (Auschwitz-Birkenau) in the spring of 1942 as a killing facility. Auschwitz-Birkenau, along with the Auschwitz main camp, was subordinated to the Inspectorate of Concentration Camps in Berlin. Originally planned as a vast forced-labor camp for Soviet prisoners of war and, later for Jewish forced laborers, Auschwitz-Birkenau began to operate as a killing center in the spring of 1942. The SS authorities murdered approximately one million Jews from various European countries at Auschwitz-Birkenau, including Jews from Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Norway, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, German-occupied western and southwestern Poland, Yugoslavia, Greece, Italy, and Hungary.




Bruno Schulz (July 12, 1892 – November 19, 1942) was a Polish writer, fine artist, literary critic and art teacher born to Jewish parents, and regarded as one of the great Polish-language prose stylists of the 20th century. Schulz was born in Drohobycz, in the province of Galicia then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and spent most of his life there. He was killed by a German Nazi officer.

In 1939, at the dawn of World War II, Schulz was living in Drohobycz, which was occupied by the Soviet Union. He is known to have been working on a novel called The Messiah, but no trace of the manuscript survived his death. Following the German invasion of the Soviet Union, as a Jew, he was forced to live in the ghetto of Drohobycz, but was temporarily protected by Felix Landau, a Nazi Gestapo officer who admired his drawings. During the last weeks of his life, Schulz painted a mural in Landau's home in Drohobycz. Shortly after completing the work, Schulz was walking home through the "Aryan quarter" with a loaf of bread when he was shot and killed by another Gestapo officer, Karl Günther. Günther was a rival of Landau, who had killed Günther's "personal Jew", a dentist. Subsequently, Schultz' mural was painted over and forgotten.





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(Holocaust Footage) pt.1


(Holocaust Footage) pt.2


(Holocaust Footage) pt.3

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You have had plenty documentation...


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At least one documentary, Hitler's Search for the Holy Grail, includes footage from the 1939 German expedition to Tibet. The documentary describes it as "the most ambitious expedition" of the SS. This original video material was made accessible again by Marco Dolcetta in his series Il Nazismo Esoterico in 1994...

The swastika was the official emblem of the Nazi Party, and is often used by modern Neo-Nazis.


The swastika (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (࿕) form in counterclockwise motion or its mirrored left-facing (࿖) form in clockwise motion... Earliest archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates back to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India as well as Classical Antiquity. Swastikas have also been used in other various ancient civilizations around the world... It remains widely used in Indian religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, primarily as a tantric symbol to evoke 'shakti' or the sacred symbol of good luck... The swastika is also a Chinese character used in East Asia representing eternity and Buddhism.

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That's some vow. Impressive and worth contemplating whether one should make a similar vow. Male/female less important, but "no matter how many lifetimes it takes" that's really something!
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Very good, lightgiver.

I recommend this book to everybody:



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I love the Roerich painting. Nicholas Roerich was great. I've read 2 or 3 of his books too. "Altai - Himalaya" maybe the best one.

More paintings here: http://www.roerich.org/wwp.html

Nicholas Roerich:





Roerich was one of the first white explorers to set foot in those more or less unknown regions of central Asia and did extensive research into the local culture, folklore, legends and religions there. He wrote about it and painted what he saw - often with religious/mythical motifs.
Avidyā means "ignorance" or "delusion" and is the opposite of 'vidyā' (Sanskrit) and 'rig pa' (Wylie). It is used extensively in Buddhist texts.

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Thatis it. That is your reply to qualitative evidence, quantitative evidence, scientific evidence and empirical evidence. A FUCKING DAD'S ARMY FILM AND HITCHCOCK FILM AFTER THE WAR in Germany where, everybody understands there was no gassings or extermination's. Sad sad sad!
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thatis it. That is your reply to qualitative evidence, quantitative evidence, scientific evidence and empirical evidence. A fucking dad's army film and hitchcock film after the war in germany where, everybody understands there was no gassings or extermination's. Sad sad sad!
pathetic...



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Again, that is your riposte, "pathetic". Sad sad sad........

Your lies and machinations are unravelling. People are waking up all over. I know, I have woken up alot of people to this myself. It is so easily broken down and I hope there will be big recriminations when it goes mainstream.
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Again, that is your riposte, "pathetic". Sad sad sad........

Your lies and machinations are unravelling. People are waking up all over. I know, I have woken up alot of people to this myself. It is so easily broken down and I hope there will be big recriminations when it goes mainstream.
You people are totally deluded...or you belong to some kind of pathetic neo nazi Organization

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I saw one while awake. It was a bit bigger than an orange and white in color. It lingered around the room for about 20 seconds. A friend of mine had a similar experience in another location at another time.

I felt the ball of light was intelligent and was "checking me out."
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What the fuck are you on about.

At this moment in time innocent men ,women and CHILDREN are being killed, harangued in living CONCENTRATION CAMPS as in Gaza.
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There were over 1000 prison camps in Britain during WW2

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Although there is a numeric sequence of 1,026 PoW Camps, there is no indication that this total was ever fully utilised. Substantial gaps exist in the sequence that are common to all sources consulted. Nevertheless, a number of sites have been located that remain unidentified and presumably fitted into the sequence somewhere.
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You people are totally deluded...or you belong to some kind of pathetic neo nazi Organization

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http://forum.davidicke.com/showthrea...post1060411059

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You are 100% correct and when their collective bullshit catches up with them they'll cry like little pansies...............
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You are 100% correct and when their collective bullshit catches up with them they'll cry like little pansies...............
neo nazis are typical bullies ok in a group or hidden away
they fight a lost cause that nobody in their right mind would consider anymore just to justify being as thick as shit
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neo nazis are typical bullies ok in a group or hidden away
they fight a lost cause that nobody in their right mind would consider anymore just to justify being as thick as shit
I grew up in Germany and lived there for most part of my life but never met a single neo nazi.

Maybe they are all uberneonazis by stealth?
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