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Old 13-11-2010, 07:43 AM   #41
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with orgasms, either from sex or from masturbation. It has no negative consequences of any kind, not physical, not mental, not emotional and certainly not spiritual. As long as you do not become addicted, it is quite healthy, science has proven that.

It's a myth that you waste energy by having an orgasm. If you build up
sexual energy in your body through deliberate arousal without orgasm,
that does have negative and unnatural consequences though.

Mad theories like this is what causes many spiritual people to feel guilty
when they have an orgasm. There is absolutely no need to feel guilty
because of frequent sexual intercourse or masturbation.. it is perfectly
natural, it has no negative consequences of any kind, not on any level.

You seem to know all about masturbation and orgasm but fall short on the topic of this thread which is spilling the semen.

It is a fact that spilling semen is wasted energy. I would tell you how you can prove this as a fact for yourself, but I'm not willing to give the details of how- and especially not to someone who thinks they already know!
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Old 18-11-2010, 03:02 AM   #42
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I am 41 years old and have practiced real celibicy for 8 years and chi kung for 20 yrs officially as a teacher. The semen stuff is wrong Taoists and others talk about it. It is powerful in magic real magic for spells and stuff. But the longer you practice celebicy the less you think about sex sexually you can observe and there is no wood so to speak. It is just used to pee . The energy center used is the lower dan tien to produce chi. Ching the essence you are talking about is energizing the scrotum with chi. Masturbation or sex is not necessary and a lower level of chi kung. It is all about the mind. even the conversion from ching(essence) to chi(energy) to shen(spirit) is all done through mind following exersizes.

My advice is just have sex or masturbate if you want and release it is powerful and magical to your self. In the beginning I had to masturbate in order to control myself now I have no need. It doesn't make you think clearer or become enlightened. It is simply a discipline. The semen release in magic is power. The eruption of life, the creator, God. The phallus and fertility(womb) are the beginning of all religion. Only week minds are swayed by it's power though. It is why mind control has no effect on the masters. I could have sex if I wanted but have not found a partner suitable to me since my ex wife.

Anyway the whole concept of sexual chi kung is crap. Like those idiots hanging weights from their balls or sucking their testicles in to save them from a kick when it's easier to learn to block. Where's the magic in having sex with no orgasm, you may as well read with your eyes shut. There is a term for this in Canada it is called "Blue Balls" and isn't a pleasant experience for a man and there is no magic present in it. Why do people feel the need to torture themselves to be spiritually enlightened the concept amuses me. Pain can be used in many ways it is powerful but dark magic and usually leads one astray. My answer then is spread your seed gentlemen if you will, polinate and release your magic unto the world it is the only magic you really have.

People worship the mighty orgasm there is a reason for that. No on worships holding it in some so called esoteric teachings are developed by twisted individuals no matter what faith or their name. Love and sex like that Hindu sex book that is good. The reason I use the term magic is because that is the subject being discussed. Taoist magic mainly. I love Taoists don't get me wrong I practice it too but some of the teachings are wrong on purpose they are tricky people to really understand they do this on purpose. Nothing esoteric is just what it seems. People jump into things they don't understand with no understanding of what they are really getting into. Books are the problem. Real teachers are needed but there are few to be found. They don't write books because they know books are useless and if they do write a book they say as little as possible. That's how they real game is played has been for centuries. Most of the so called imformative books are written by students who don't really know the subject as well as they think they do because they always make it so complex so much reading. The masters simple words of nothing speak louder than the students ramblings but they are not imformative enough though to the masses.

I am sorry for the long post but I have had a professional bone to pick on this subject for years. My chan brothers hang weights from there balls? The chinese have huge penis fetishes for real. this thread is about not ejaculating so you can get some kind of kundalini experience of energy flashing up your spine to your chakra. I have practiced the Greater Heavenly Circulation for 25yrs and never experienced anything like that unless I was manic and I am a chi kung and meditation master, as well as kung fu master. The mind is very powerful and can make phantasy come true. Chi is like mist only in manias did I feel energy flashes. Orgasms in manias are absolutley mystifying experiences. It's not about the semen it's about the Orgasm. Semen can only make babies. Orgasms you can have as many as you like without babies same magic no babies that's all.

Sex is about that connection spiritually while in union. The conscious connection you feel and blend with on a spiritual level while you experience physical pleasure in the emotional realm. The orgasm in this case is like a solar flare with particles colliding in the upper atmosphere if the two partners can reach this point as one and look into each others eyes the connection would be complete. There is the magic. You give the woman all your power and she recieves it metaphysically speaking. There is so much going on spiritually you could write a book on proper healthy sex. Fluids and body parts have nothing to do with training the mind or cultivating the spirit. Some believe swallowing saliva does similar things. No real master ever fornicated or masturbated to become enlightened.


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Well I have had the snip so I can have sex if I like, do the money shots and still retain my semen. Sounds like a win-win for me
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Well I have had the snip so I can have sex if I like, do the money shots and still retain my semen. Sounds like a win-win for me
You lose energy with the spasms just before orgasm as they release a lot of electromagnetic energy. Semen coming out is a by-product.

And on an even more strict level, the loss of energy begins with the mere thought of having sex -- it already creates an imbalance in the body.

I understand , however, that the concept of "loss" regarding male orgasm is ultimately relative, and some men just don't see it that way.

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You lose energy with the spasms just before orgasm as they release a lot of electromagnetic energy. Semen coming out is a by-product.

And on an even more strict level, the loss of energy begins with the mere thought of having sex -- it already creates an imbalance in the body.

I understand , however, that the concept of "loss" regarding male orgasm is ultimately relative, and some men just don't see it that way.
If this were true then why is there many methods for semen retention, even to the point of sucking it bacl up through the willy? many people consider semen as the embodiement of the logos.
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Im getting really fucking sick and tired of people thinking they understand the premise of the post, and then coming in saying its wrong, when in fact they have completely misinterpreted the entire thing.

Its not about not having sex.
Its not about not experiencing orgasm.

It is about becoming sexually aroused, and cultivating, or transmuting that energy for other purposes.

You can have sex with a woman and experience orgasm without spilling your semen. In fact it is amazing. After you experience orgasm your energy levels don't drop, they continue to rise and soon you will experience orgasm again, only this time at a more intense and pleasurable level. Such practices make sex better in my opinion. And if you can have a passionate night of lovemaking, without ever spilling your semen. You we be completely energized, and with this energy you can do so much. It is general practice that you move it up the spine, and down the front channel and store in your belly. At least that's what is generally taught.

The main point is this. You do not have to ejaculate to experience orgasm, multiple orgasms at that. You can experience orgasms and have an increase in energy. That is the purpose.

Different cultures have different techniques, and different paths for this energy. Some of these are questionable, but the base practice is good in all ways.

It teaches you to remove negative thoughts while practicing. One of the first things i learned was to keep one hand over my heart chakra while masturbating which left me indulging with only thoughts of love. I few times I've even used porn to begin sexual stimulation and ended up turning it off during.

Semen is meant to impregnate women. It is encoded with your DNA. It reflects your current energy levels. If you "spill" frequently and then get a woman pregnant., your child will have lower energy levels (what is now average for our day and time) Imagine if you stored your energy for years and years and then had a child, spilling only inside the woman you wanted to get pregnant at the proper time. The child's energy levels would be through the roof.

My friend did this, as well as transferring all his energy to his daughter when she was born (not sure how he did this). And her psychic powers rival my own at the age of 2. Noting that my levels if they were measurable consist about the same as the average humans. I experienced this through what i am now just naming a focus blast. Its like outputting a force of energy, which causes whomever to immediately direct there focus to the source. Its involuntary. She did this while i was coming down some stairs turning around the bend. I slammed my hand down across the rail cutting it open, and i nearly tripped. I am always mindful in what i am doing, i like to think of myself as a Jedi at times hearing Yoda's voice in my head.

I said what i had to say.

EDIT: Sometimes when your energy levels are out of balance ejaculation can be a useful and efficient way to regulate balance. You Tend to only lose your uncultivated sexual energy when you ejaculate. I think it would be possible to cultivate this energy during arousal, moving it out of your area, so that when you ejaculate you only waste the uncultivated energy, still giving your body a surplus.

However it is important to be able to move energy through your body, and to clear any blocks along the way. Im sure alot of energy gets wasted because people don't move it properly or have blocks. There are exercised that teach you how to do this. They should be used with and without sexual energy aka both during times of arousal and not.

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Old 21-11-2010, 12:38 AM   #47
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You seem to know all about masturbation and orgasm but fall short on the topic of this thread which is spilling the semen.

It is a fact that spilling semen is wasted energy. I would tell you how you can prove this as a fact for yourself, but I'm not willing to give the details of how- and especially not to someone who thinks they already know!
Having sex, masturbating and "spilling semen" is healthy, it releases hormones
into the body that counter sadness and depression, among other advantages.
It also increases the amount of seeds you have in your semen and the health
of your semen.

Spilling semen is absolutely not wasted energy, it is completely natural, and
there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.. not physically, not mentally, not
emotionally and certainly not spiritually. Energy flows through your constantly,
you don't waste any energy by having sex or by spilling semen in an orgasm,
as the energy is instantly replaced.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with sex, masturbation, orgasms or spilling
semen. There are no negative consequences on any level, especally not on a
spiritual level.

I am very sensitive to energy, and I have never felt I wasted energy like this.

That's my opinion anyway, not saying it's a fact.

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Im getting really fucking sick and tired of people thinking they understand the premise of the post, and then coming in saying its wrong, when in fact they have completely misinterpreted the entire thing.

Its not about not having sex.
Its not about not experiencing orgasm.

You're right. I'm not in agreement with the premise of this thread and therefore I shouldn't have posted in here. So these are my final words:

Carnal sex, with ejaculation or not, is an addiction, a vice. This is my perspective. You are free to not see it that way.

There are many methods to quit smoking that smokers will buy into because they think that the long term benefits are greater than quitting the habit for once and for all. But we all know that they are only deceiving themselves.

The only way to quit a vice is to actually quit it. No thoughts required, just do it.

All "methods" are ultimately mental scape routes to avoid the ultimate sacrificial act that consists of LEAVING THE DAMN THING ALONE. Don't touch it, don't think about it, JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.

Semen coming out is not the most important determining factor for whether energy has been lost or not. The loss begins with impure thoughts. Show me a man that can actually perform "sexual union" with a woman while retaining semen without at least ONE impure thought. It doesn't make any sense. It's a contradiction in terms. If there is impurity, there is loss.

If you want the most benefit from your sexual energy you must not indulge in sex at all. In the long run, no method of retaining semen will ever amount to a greater benefit than what pure healthy abstinence can bring. In the short run it may even make sense to follow some method or whatever, but that is only because you aren't ready for the final sacrifice. It's OK to proceed slowly, since that is what happens in practice anyway. In practice we cannot change ourselves overnight, but we can change our perspective , the way we think, at ANY TIME.



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You can have sex with a woman and experience orgasm without spilling your semen. In fact it is amazing. After you experience orgasm your energy levels don't drop, they continue to rise and soon you will experience orgasm again, only this time at a more intense and pleasurable level.
spasm = loss

orgasm is addicting. The only orgasm that is not addicting and doesn't bring any kind of consequence would be a permanent spiritual orgasm , an eternal orgasm. Until there we keep looking for temporary jolts that can emulate such feeling even if only for a moment, and then we are back at feeling miserable afterwards.

After every peak there is a fall. Any peak of energy will naturally subside leaving you with an equally strong sensation of loss. This is why the key to spiritual evolution is that you tread slowly taking care not to experience too much or too little at any one time.

Read my post about wave motion and the mechanics of the Universe. Don't think in terms of wave motion. All wave motion is deception. The only motion you should have in your mind is a vertical line growing toward infinity. You should never settle down for anything less than infinity, and infinity right now, not later.

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The main point is this. You do not have to ejaculate to experience orgasm, multiple orgasms at that. You can experience orgasms and have an increase in energy. That is the purpose.
Loss occurs before orgasm with the spasms. Also, the arousal in itself already creates an imbalance in your body. If you can have a non-ejaculatory orgasm and then re-circulate the energy, you are merely compensating and canceling out the previous loss. The end sum is zero -- nothing lost, nothing gained, -- you only gain experience. It does not matter which type of method you are using: you are still at risk of losing energy because deep inside you wanted a temporary pleasure experience. The risk is not worth it. You are playing with fire. This is dark magic. This is a path of illusory power that brings equally devastating consequences. You should carefully cultivate your energy toward a permanent, eternal spiritual experience of orgasm.

There is a build-up of energy right before ejaculation that is incredible, however it overload the senses and causes a huge imbalance in the energy flow as well in blood flow which takes time to subside. You end up numbed down and drained. We only tend to think it's a good sensation because tension has been relieved from our shoulders. In my view, the more tension we can withstand in our bodies, the better.

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It teaches you to remove negative thoughts while practicing. One of the first things i learned was to keep one hand over my heart chakra while masturbating which left me indulging with only thoughts of love. I few times I've even used porn to begin sexual stimulation and ended up turning it off during.
sexual stimulation in itself is the problem. the only sex that is 100% beneficial would be spiritual sex with your "Higher Self" as there is no indulgence in anything external (doesn't need stimulation); there is only an attempt to establish a direct connection with your spirit. Anything in-between this connection, such as flesh, pornography , etc, is corrupting the process.

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Semen is meant to impregnate women. It is encoded with your DNA. It reflects your current energy levels. If you "spill" frequently and then get a woman pregnant., your child will have lower energy levels (what is now average for our day and time) Imagine if you stored your energy for years and years and then had a child, spilling only inside the woman you wanted to get pregnant at the proper time. The child's energy levels would be through the roof.
What about your own self-development? What about your spiritual development? For that you need to prevent energy from precipitating as semen , otherwise you are simply feeding your potential to perpetuate physical life. The purpose of man is not only to procreate,

Of course that it all comes down to whether you are comfortable with a physical existence of if you want more. If you are comfortable, you will gladly feed your energy to as much women you can in order to play the circus of physical existence.

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EDIT: Sometimes when your energy levels are out of balance ejaculation can be a useful and efficient way to regulate balance. You Tend to only lose your uncultivated sexual energy when you ejaculate. I think it would be possible to cultivate this energy during arousal, moving it out of your area, so that when you ejaculate you only waste the uncultivated energy, still giving your body a surplus.
The uncultivated energy is still within your body at least and thus can be easily reabsorbed. Intense physical exercise, for example, will recruit the unused / stored energy. Throwing it off your body will only make things harder, because you will have to channel fresh new energy from the spirit later when you are in need of it.

There is no permanent "surplus" or gain when you indulge in sex AT ALL. There is only the illusion of such.

The only real solution to the sexual problem is when we simply avoid the risk of losing energy. The best way to solve a problem is to not commit it in the first place. The best way to not suffer is to stay clear from problematic situations.

Anyway, these are my final words because I'm beginning to feel like a mental masturbator spilling his semen on this forum. Thank you all for reading. And remember that all that I've said is just my perspective, which may or may not be useful to you.
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Old 21-11-2010, 04:23 AM   #49
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You're right. I'm not in agreement with the premise of this thread and therefore I shouldn't have posted in here. So these are my final words:

Carnal sex, with ejaculation or not, is an addiction, a vice. This is my perspective. You are free to not see it that way.

There are many methods to quit smoking that smokers will buy into because they think that the long term benefits are greater than quitting the habit for once and for all. But we all know that they are only deceiving themselves.

The only way to quit a vice is to actually quit it. No thoughts required, just do it.

All "methods" are ultimately mental scape routes to avoid the ultimate sacrificial act that consists of LEAVING THE DAMN THING ALONE. Don't touch it, don't think about it, JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.

Semen coming out is not the most important determining factor for whether energy has been lost or not. The loss begins with impure thoughts. Show me a man that can actually perform "sexual union" with a woman while retaining semen without at least ONE impure thought. It doesn't make any sense. It's a contradiction in terms. If there is impurity, there is loss.

If you want the most benefit from your sexual energy you must not indulge in sex at all. In the long run, no method of retaining semen will ever amount to a greater benefit than what pure healthy abstinence can bring. In the short run it may even make sense to follow some method or whatever, but that is only because you aren't ready for the final sacrifice. It's OK to proceed slowly, since that is what happens in practice anyway. In practice we cannot change ourselves overnight, but we can change our perspective , the way we think, at ANY TIME.





spasm = loss

orgasm is addicting. The only orgasm that is not addicting and doesn't bring any kind of consequence would be a permanent spiritual orgasm , an eternal orgasm. Until there we keep looking for temporary jolts that can emulate such feeling even if only for a moment, and then we are back at feeling miserable afterwards.

After every peak there is a fall. Any peak of energy will naturally subside leaving you with an equally strong sensation of loss. This is why the key to spiritual evolution is that you tread slowly taking care not to experience too much or too little at any one time.

Read my post about wave motion and the mechanics of the Universe. Don't think in terms of wave motion. All wave motion is deception. The only motion you should have in your mind is a vertical line growing toward infinity. You should never settle down for anything less than infinity, and infinity right now, not later.



Loss occurs before orgasm with the spasms. Also, the arousal in itself already creates an imbalance in your body. If you can have a non-ejaculatory orgasm and then re-circulate the energy, you are merely compensating and canceling out the previous loss. The end sum is zero -- nothing lost, nothing gained, -- you only gain experience. It does not matter which type of method you are using: you are still at risk of losing energy because deep inside you wanted a temporary pleasure experience. The risk is not worth it. You are playing with fire. This is dark magic. This is a path of illusory power that brings equally devastating consequences. You should carefully cultivate your energy toward a permanent, eternal spiritual experience of orgasm.

There is a build-up of energy right before ejaculation that is incredible, however it overload the senses and causes a huge imbalance in the energy flow as well in blood flow which takes time to subside. You end up numbed down and drained. We only tend to think it's a good sensation because tension has been relieved from our shoulders. In my view, the more tension we can withstand in our bodies, the better.



sexual stimulation in itself is the problem. the only sex that is 100% beneficial would be spiritual sex with your "Higher Self" as there is no indulgence in anything external (doesn't need stimulation); there is only an attempt to establish a direct connection with your spirit. Anything in-between this connection, such as flesh, pornography , etc, is corrupting the process.



What about your own self-development? What about your spiritual development? For that you need to prevent energy from precipitating as semen , otherwise you are simply feeding your potential to perpetuate physical life. The purpose of man is not only to procreate,

Of course that it all comes down to whether you are comfortable with a physical existence of if you want more. If you are comfortable, you will gladly feed your energy to as much women you can in order to play the circus of physical existence.



The uncultivated energy is still within your body at least and thus can be easily reabsorbed. Intense physical exercise, for example, will recruit the unused / stored energy. Throwing it off your body will only make things harder, because you will have to channel fresh new energy from the spirit later when you are in need of it.

There is no permanent "surplus" or gain when you indulge in sex AT ALL. There is only the illusion of such.

The only real solution to the sexual problem is when we simply avoid the risk of losing energy. The best way to solve a problem is to not commit it in the first place. The best way to not suffer is to stay clear from problematic situations.

Anyway, these are my final words because I'm beginning to feel like a mental masturbator spilling his semen on this forum. Thank you all for reading. And remember that all that I've said is just my perspective, which may or may not be useful to you.

Your talk is very kinky. Yet is it not a pity to talk so kinkily without the experience?
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Having sex, masturbating and "spilling semen" is healthy, it releases hormones
into the body that counter sadness and depression, among other advantages.
It also increases the amount of seeds you have in your semen and the health
of your semen.

Spilling semen is absolutely not wasted energy, it is completely natural, and
there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.. not physically, not mentally, not
emotionally and certainly not spiritually. Energy flows through your constantly,
you don't waste any energy by having sex or by spilling semen in an orgasm,
as the energy is instantly replaced.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with sex, masturbation, orgasms or spilling
semen. There are no negative consequences on any level, especally not on a
spiritual level.

I am very sensitive to energy, and I have never felt I wasted energy like this.

That's my opinion anyway, not saying it's a fact.

The title of the book is The Perfect Matrimony. There is a method to the madness. The madness is practiced whilst in a relationship. Read the book. Single men can practice what is known as brachymara (sp) (celibacy). There is a good reason for practicing that too. Most men don't see any good reason to practice it. It's not for the physically, mentally, or emotionally weak. There aren't many who can.

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You seem to know all about masturbation and orgasm but fall short on the topic of this thread which is spilling the semen.

It is a fact that spilling semen is wasted energy. I would tell you how you can prove this as a fact for yourself, but I'm not willing to give the details of how- and especially not to someone who thinks they already know!

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idk but it think it's ironic our reproductive organs are also waste disposal systems.
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here's one for you:




Samael Aun Weor:

"It is necessary that animal desire does not prevail during the practice of Sexual Magic. Remember that desire is diabolic. The “I” (Me, Myself, the Ego) is desire. The “I” is diabolic. Where there is desire, there cannot be love, because love and desire are incompatible. It is necessary to know that desire produces illusion. Whosoever desires, believes himself to be in Love, feels himself to be in love, could swear he is in Love. This is the illusion of desire.

It is impossible to Love when there is desire. Only those who have already incarnated their Soul truly know how to Love. The “I” does not know how to Love. Only the Soul knows how to Love. It is only known to the one who has already killed animal desire. "

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There is a claim somewher in this thread that orgasm causes loss of EM energy. Electromagnetic energy can be measured, so I ask for proof please, or a source.
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Interesting that most of the comments seem to be about an either or situation. Holding back (for the male) can be very pleasurable when they are brought to the point of orgasm over and over and then finish the lovemaking with ejaculation.
To accomplish this takes knowing your sexual partner very very well but it's worth the time and trouble to do so (so I am told )
I think most men just won't bother to learn how to do this. It's much easier to just do it and it's over.

I also think it's interesting that no one ever speaks of female ejaculation or orgasm and energy. It's like the topic is taboo.. very odd.
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I also think it's interesting that no one ever speaks of female ejaculation or orgasm and energy. It's like the topic is taboo.. very odd.



just as the male has breasts and nipples

so too does the female have a "vistigule" prostrate gland along the uthera.

some females ejaculate or "squirt" prostratic fluid from their uthera. the muscular contractions of orgasm expell the fluid.

most women can learn to squirt by "trying to pee" during orgasm and with practice, this pushing out action becomes easier and in time they may find they too spontaneously ejaculate fluid out their uthera during orgasm.

the advantage a woman has is she can shoose to ejaculate during orgasm whereas a man this is far more difficult.
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^ not in my past GF's experience is it a choice! lol

The thread title is correct. To ejaculate is indeed entering heaven
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this may be of interest for those treading the path of celibacy:

http://translate.google.com.br/trans...rol.htm&anno=2

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If I feel good before ejaculating, feel amazing whilst ejaculating, then feel totally relaxed and GOOD after ejaculating. I shall continue to ejaculate

People need to stop taking this life so seriously.
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