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Old 17-11-2014, 08:46 PM   #401
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Hinduism is not monotheism...
Well, as I'm taking a course on religion which includes the study of Hinduism which is taught by a Hindu who has his Doctorate in religious studies with an emphasis on Hinduism, I will disagree. Prior to this class I've looked at Hinduism very closely and have written papers on the subject. I would call Hinduism "polymorphic monotheism (one god with many incarnations, personifications, or manifestations)" as that is the best characterisation of that religion in my opinion.

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Hinduism is where they believe that the evolved ones, those who are more evolved than others come through into a new age, while the old type DIE OFF.
This isn't quite right, but you're twisting a belief to suit your agenda...hmmm...a common theme of yours.

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But this type of eugenics is of course, as I have shown you in other threads, a big part of Freemasonry.
You have shown nothing. You have said much, but proven nothing. You have made proposterous claims, but provided no evidence to back it up. Nowhere in Freemasonry is eugenics a big part of anything.

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You don't believe in Moral Relativity where everything is alright. You have no absolutes.
And this is not a part of Freemasonry either.

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Even the Scottish Rite was atheistic.
Except it wasn't and isn't.

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That's because the REAL SECRETS are held in high freemasonry.
Quit projecting your wants.

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If they're really all for charity, why do you have to have secrets kept from the public if it's just a charitable institution?
There's more to Freemasonry than just charity, but it is a very important thing within Freemasonry. That is one aspect and no Mason will ever say you need to have secrets to be charitable.

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Well, it's because charity is just a front, but what's the one thing it does for you personally?
Except it's not.

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Helps you get up the ladder.
Merit gets you up the ladder.

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And every darn politician in Britain for the most part is a member of Freemasonry.
Except they are not, but please feel free to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Provide us with their Lodge, what positions they have held, and when they were initiated to each degree. You make all of these sensational claims, but you can never back it up. You are a liar and a fraud.
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Old 17-11-2014, 09:29 PM   #402
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every darn politician in Britain for the most part is a member of Freemasonry.

Every Politician?

Or,

Every Politician for the most part?

If so, which part?

Upper part?

Lower part?

Left side?

Right side?

Parts thereof? For example, the Head, maybe an Arm, both Legs?
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Old 17-11-2014, 10:16 PM   #403
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Well, as I'm taking a course on religion which includes the study of Hinduism which is taught by a Hindu who has his Doctorate in religious studies with an emphasis on Hinduism, I will disagree. Prior to this class I've looked at Hinduism very closely and have written papers on the subject. I would call Hinduism "polymorphic monotheism (one god with many incarnations, personifications, or manifestations)" as that is the best characterisation of that religion in my opinion.
Except Hinduism is pantheistic, and Islam is really the only monotheistic religion left standing, and that's why they must demolish it. Let's not kid ourselves here, that's the reason we're at war isn't it? This is not a war against terrorists. Even Albert Pike mentioned this when he said the final war would be against Islam. You can't achieve your New World Order with a strict monotheistic religion still around, can you? It's the same method each time, starve the people into submission and bomb them into the ground, then in comes UNESCO to set up the schools and indoctrinate them with Western values and make sure they don't believe in their old God.
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Old 17-11-2014, 10:22 PM   #404
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You keep throwing this phrase of 'High Freemasonry' around. Where's the evidence it exists?
Well for a start why don't you try looking at all the big foundations which pay and fund all the think tanks and big banks, just look at the people in these top foundations, they are all high ranking freemasons. Worldwide in every country, that's the common link. Look into the higher freemasonic books and it's all forecast, and the founding fathers of the US, many of them were up there, Franklin and Jefferson in particular, and they wanted a confederated world. This federated world would be run by a council of twelve wise men, all high Freemasonry, all high occultic Masonry.
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Old 18-11-2014, 12:24 AM   #405
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Except Hinduism is pantheistic...
No it's not. There are aspects, but I will say that Hindu scholars argue over this. From my studies and view on the matter, I say it is polymorphic monotheism.

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...and Islam is really the only monotheistic religion left standing...
You can find pantheism in Islam as well.

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Let's not kid ourselves here, that's the reason we're at war isn't it? This is not a war against terrorists.
I disagree that it has anything to do with the religion and agree with Sam Huntington who spoke about future wars being along cultural lines. Culture includes religion.

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Even Albert Pike mentioned this when he said the final war would be against Islam.
Except he said no such thing as you are quoting from a known hoax.

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Look into the higher freemasonic books...
Well, you seem to focus on Morals & Dogma and once in a while from Hall's books. There's more to Freemasonry than just a few books you've (mis)read; plus, Pike and Hall, are only relevant to Masons in America, and even then Morals & Dogma is primarily with the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite and it was a supplment to the ritual as a comparison of Masonry to other beliefs. If it was "our secrets" they would not have published it and allow it to go to libraries/stores. There's also more modern authors as well.

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...the founding fathers of the US, many of them were up there, Franklin and Jefferson in particular, and they wanted a confederated world.
Just for clarification, Jefferson was not a Mason.

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This federated world would be run by a council of twelve wise men, all high Freemasonry, all high occultic Masonry.
According to whom?
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Old 18-11-2014, 12:57 AM   #406
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Well, as I'm taking a course on religion which includes the study of Hinduism which is taught by a Hindu who has his Doctorate in religious studies with an emphasis on Hinduism, I will disagree. Prior to this class I've looked at Hinduism very closely and have written papers on the subject. I would call Hinduism "polymorphic monotheism (one god with many incarnations, personifications, or manifestations)" as that is the best characterisation of that religion in my opinion.


This isn't quite right, but you're twisting a belief to suit your agenda...hmmm...a common theme of yours.


You have shown nothing. You have said much, but proven nothing. You have made proposterous claims, but provided no evidence to back it up. Nowhere in Freemasonry is eugenics a big part of anything.


And this is not a part of Freemasonry either.


Except it wasn't and isn't.


Quit projecting your wants.


There's more to Freemasonry than just charity, but it is a very important thing within Freemasonry. That is one aspect and no Mason will ever say you need to have secrets to be charitable.


Except it's not.


Merit gets you up the ladder.


Except they are not, but please feel free to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Provide us with their Lodge, what positions they have held, and when they were initiated to each degree. You make all of these sensational claims, but you can never back it up. You are a liar and a fraud.
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No it's not. There are aspects, but I will say that Hindu scholars argue over this. From my studies and view on the matter, I say it is polymorphic monotheism.


You can find pantheism in Islam as well.


I disagree that it has anything to do with the religion and agree with Sam Huntington who spoke about future wars being along cultural lines. Culture includes religion.


Except he said no such thing as you are quoting from a known hoax.


Well, you seem to focus on Morals & Dogma and once in a while from Hall's books. There's more to Freemasonry than just a few books you've (mis)read; plus, Pike and Hall, are only relevant to Masons in America, and even then Morals & Dogma is primarily with the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite and it was a supplment to the ritual as a comparison of Masonry to other beliefs. If it was "our secrets" they would not have published it and allow it to go to libraries/stores. There's also more modern authors as well.


Just for clarification, Jefferson was not a Mason.


According to whom?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_bag
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=492The second major type of sleeping BaG, sometimes called a mummy BaG because of its shape, is different in a number of important ways...http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=623

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Old 18-11-2014, 08:16 AM   #407
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Well for a start why don't you try looking at all the big foundations which pay and fund all the think tanks and big banks, just look at the people in these top foundations, they are all high ranking freemasons.
Give us the proof - names, lodges, dates of initiation etc etc. Oh that's right, you can't because it isn't true.

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Look into the higher freemasonic books and it's all forecast, and the founding fathers of the US, many of them were up there, Franklin and Jefferson in particular, and they wanted a confederated world. This federated world would be run by a council of twelve wise men, all high Freemasonry, all high occultic Masonry.
Not really, but must be true if you say so. And as has been pointed out, Jefferson wasn't a Freemason.
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You can find pantheism in Islam as well.
No you can't.


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Well, you seem to focus on Morals & Dogma and once in a while from Hall's books. There's more to Freemasonry than just a few books you've (mis)read; plus, Pike and Hall, are only relevant to Masons in America, and even then Morals & Dogma is primarily with the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite and it was a supplment to the ritual as a comparison of Masonry to other beliefs. If it was "our secrets" they would not have published it and allow it to go to libraries/stores. There's also more modern authors as well.
Well, Pike talked about how they were going to create these big foundations and that they would control the world. You can tell by reading through Morals and Dogma by the way, that one man could not have wrote this, the different writing style and vocabulary in each chapter, much like Shakespeare's works, you need teams of specialists from different areas to put this stuff together. But anyway, Pike said, we, meaning the members of this particular organization, it's only one branch of many, the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry he said, 'We shall gain wealth, incredible wealth by all means'… ALL MEANS, to get the wealth, including the stock market…and he said 'and we'll become masters over the masters of the world.' By that he also meant the setting up of foundations, and lo and behold, not too long after that, up pops the Rockefellers.

You make it sound like these guys like Manly P.Hall were against freemasonry, and that their words mean very little, but the reality is he just used a different kind of wisdom to get it across, to have it pushed to the front of guiding society.

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Franklin said it 'This will lead to a federation of the world' It shall be run by twelve wise men 'a council of twelve wise men'. That's what the US was set up for, that's its destiny. The freemasonic symbols are everywhere, especially in Washington DC, like the phoenix bird, that's all over the architecture. That wasn't an eagle above their logos, it was the phoenix bird rising from the ashes.

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People who love to be ruled by a queen or a pope are no better than ants. The ones who rely on hierarchy are insects, robots, radio-controlled toys. They betray their true origins. They believe a lie and think that by climbing the levels of hierarchy they gain power and respect. NOT! When you're already at the top you don't need to go higher. "We want to keep the tradition, it is part of our History". Murders and lies are also part of human history. Do you want to make a tradition out of these? Each one of us is sovereign. No queen, no prime minister, no president, no pope is above. We are all worth something. It is the ones who claim to be superior who are really inferior. When you need and claim divine right to rule, it tells me that you are weak, that you need gods to be something. When you know where you come from, you know that you're above gods. Gods need worship. The true father doesn't need worship: he loves without condition.

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No it's not. There are aspects, but I will say that Hindu scholars argue over this. From my studies and view on the matter, I say it is polymorphic monotheism.


You can find pantheism in Islam as well.


I disagree that it has anything to do with the religion and agree with Sam Huntington who spoke about future wars being along cultural lines. Culture includes religion.


Except he said no such thing as you are quoting from a known hoax.


Well, you seem to focus on Morals & Dogma and once in a while from Hall's books. There's more to Freemasonry than just a few books you've (mis)read; plus, Pike and Hall, are only relevant to Masons in America, and even then Morals & Dogma is primarily with the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite and it was a supplment to the ritual as a comparison of Masonry to other beliefs. If it was "our secrets" they would not have published it and allow it to go to libraries/stores. There's also more modern authors as well.


Just for clarification, Jefferson was not a Mason.


According to whom?
Religious multi culturturism is mainly based upon sun worship, or explained by using many different Suns at different times of year, very similar to the Babylonians and many others, it is basically the science of the sun and nature.

Without our sun there would not be life as we know it, nor religions.
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People who love to be ruled by a queen or a pope are no better than ants. The ones who rely on hierarchy are insects, robots, radio-controlled toys. They betray their true origins. They believe a lie and think that by climbing the levels of hierarchy they gain power and respect. NOT! When you're already at the top you don't need to go higher. "We want to keep the tradition, it is part of our History". Murders and lies are also part of human history. Do you want to make a tradition out of these? Each one of us is sovereign. No queen, no prime minister, no president, no pope is above. We are all worth something. It is the ones who claim to be superior who are really inferior. When you need and claim divine right to rule, it tells me that you are weak, that you need gods to be something. When you know where you come from, you know that you're above gods. Gods need worship. The true father doesn't need worship: he loves without condition.
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Humans are a similar size yet have the brain to invent the ideas to control the other minds, once we begin thinking for ourselves again ,the ants don't stand a chance.

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No you can't.

Well, Pike talked about how they were going to create these big foundations and that they would control the world. You can tell by reading through Morals and Dogma by the way, that one man could not have wrote this, the different writing style and vocabulary in each chapter, much like Shakespeare's works, you need teams of specialists from different areas to put this stuff together. But anyway, Pike said, we, meaning the members of this particular organization, it's only one branch of many, the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry he said, 'We shall gain wealth, incredible wealth by all means'… ALL MEANS, to get the wealth, including the stock market…and he said 'and we'll become masters over the masters of the world.' By that he also meant the setting up of foundations, and lo and behold, not too long after that, up pops the Rockefellers.

You make it sound like these guys like Manly P.Hall were against freemasonry, and that their words mean very little, but the reality is he just used a different kind of wisdom to get it across, to have it pushed to the front of guiding society.



Franklin said it 'This will lead to a federation of the world' It shall be run by twelve wise men 'a council of twelve wise men'. That's what the US was set up for, that's its destiny. The freemasonic symbols are everywhere, especially in Washington DC, like the phoenix bird, that's all over the architecture. That wasn't an eagle above their logos, it was the phoenix bird rising from the ashes.
Pike also made the quote, those who do not think for themselves are meat on his table.

Go into this tiny church in the English Lake District and you will see the Washington's coat of arms in the main stained glass window.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mar...-on-Windermere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_o...rge_Washington

The power still reigns in England today and always has been in the land of the Meridian Line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_o..._Maidstone.jpg

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No you can't.
Actually you can if you just opened your mind and looked.

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Well, Pike talked about how they were going to create these big foundations and that they would control the world.
Where did he say this?

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But anyway, Pike said, we, meaning the members of this particular organization, it's only one branch of many, the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry he said, 'We shall gain wealth, incredible wealth by all means'...
Citation? Source?

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...and he said 'and we'll become masters over the masters of the world.'
Did he now?

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You make it sound like these guys like Manly P.Hall were against freemasonry, and that their words mean very little, but the reality is he just used a different kind of wisdom to get it across, to have it pushed to the front of guiding society.
I never said Hall was against Freemasonry. I am saying that you have mistaken his words and twisted them to suit your agenda without having the proper context to understand what he and others were talking about.

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The freemasonic symbols are everywhere, especially in Washington DC, like the phoenix bird, that's all over the architecture. That wasn't an eagle above their logos, it was the phoenix bird rising from the ashes.
Well, if we're on the subject of birds and Franklin, he wanted a turkey not an eagle.

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The ones who rely on hierarchy are insects, robots, radio-controlled toys.
Any group of people will need a hierarchy. Society has a hierarchy. Family has a hierarchy.
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Any group of people will need a hierarchy. Society has a hierarchy. Family has a hierarchy.
Who said that? Who invented hierarchy? Those who were hungry for power.

"Oh but people who are not educated can't control themselves..." Who denied them education in the first place? The ones at the top of the hierarchy. "There would be chaos in society without hierarchy..." Hierarchy never stopped chaos from happening. Maybe we have chaos because some people claim they are the masters and the others are the slaves. Push the agenda of more control and more order and you will get more chaos. It's like having an hemorrhage and turning the knife in the wound to stop it. An error only produces errors. In human history, hierarchy has always been the cause for wars, genocides, revolts... People who want to rule over others are only afraid to lose control.

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Who said that? Who invented hierarchy? Those who were hungry for power.
Well, you just have to look at history and how societies formed. You are projecting your pessimistic view as if it was the only motivation of the creation of hierarchies and governments.

You are flying to extremes and it's clear you're not about having a rational discussion, but just deep-dicking people with your views. You feel that only your beliefs are correct and that you are superior for it while anyone else is weak.

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In human history, hierarchy has always been the cause for wars, genocides, revolts...
Correlation is not causation.

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People who want to rule over others are only afraid to lose control.
You'rer assuming.
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Well, you just have to look at history and how societies formed. You are projecting your pessimistic view as if it was the only motivation of the creation of hierarchies and governments.

You are flying to extremes and it's clear you're not about having a rational discussion, but just deep-dicking people with your views. You feel that only your beliefs are correct and that you are superior for it while anyone else is weak.


Correlation is not causation.


You'rer assuming.
Then I must be a mirror to what you are (you have an answer to everything, you analize each sentence writtent by the ones who you judge incorrect). My beliefs are correct according to me... I never said that I was superior. If by my definition you think you're an ant, it is your own perception that makes you an ant. In that case, I'm happy that you're in doubt. Because that makes you intelligent. Ants don't doubt.

Finally, aren't you going to the extremes on your website? I see a lot of knowledge, facts, hierarchy, but no allegiance to true humanity nor wisdom or spirituality.
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Then I must be a mirror to what you are (you have an answer to everything, you analize each sentence writtent by the ones who you judge incorrect).
I respond the way I do because I find it more organized. How you respond is your own way.

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My beliefs are correct according to me... I never said that I was superior.
Well, you mocked hierarchies and those who use them. It gave off an air of self-superiority.

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Finally, aren't you going to the extremes on your website? I see a lot of knowledge, facts, hierarchy, but no allegiance to true humanity nor wisdom or spirituality.
How am I not allied to humanity, wisdom, or spirituality?
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I respond the way I do because I find it more organized. How you respond is your own way.


Well, you mocked hierarchies and those who use them. It gave off an air of self-superiority.


How am I not allied to humanity, wisdom, or spirituality?
Yes, I mock hierarchy. So what? You mock the true spirit. I mock the false spirit, the one who judges, who sees everything in black and white, like your checkered board, your demiurge or halfmaker. Talk about extremes.

Typical... answer a question by another question.
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Yes, I mock hierarchy. So what? You mock the true spirit. I mock the false spirit, the one who judges, who sees everything in black and white, like your checkered board, your demiurge or halfmaker. Talk about extremes.
This is that "air of self-superiority" I was talking about. Just because they are your opinions and beliefs, doesn't mean its true or indicative of reality. If that is your thought, then you don't understand the use of the checkerboard in Freemasonry.

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I asked for clarification. If you can't answer it then don't.
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