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Old 08-02-2017, 06:37 AM   #1
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Default Proof Greg Hallett is full of shit.

Anyway, some people have heard of Gregg Hallett claiming to be the Arch Treasurer of England of something as the personal representative for the allegedly true king of England, a Portuguese named Francisco Manoel who claims to be the descendant of Queen Victoria and King George V of Hanover. They have even published an obnoxiously long set of books claiming alleged 'proof' of the same.

Well, do you want to know how to prove this is complete bullshit? He already wrote a book published in Portugal called The British Crown's Great Secret where he claims to be the descendant of the Duke of Wellington and not the King of Hanover. So which is it? Is he the bastard descendant of the King of Hanover or the Duke of Wellington? Or is he a Portuguese antique dealer that got a hold of some old British crap he peddles off as 'royal marks' allegedly 'proving' his claim to the British throne?

This article appeared in the Sunday Telegraph on December 19, 1999:

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Portuguese pretender set to sue Queen
By Christina Lamb in Lisbon

A PORTUGUESE man claiming descent from a secret love child of Queen Victoria and the Duke of Wellington is threatening to sue the Queen for recognition of his royal lineage.

Francisco Manoel, a 43-year-old antique furniture restorer from Lisbon, who adds Hanover-Coburg to his last name, has written to the Queen four times over the last year, requesting DNA samples so that he can prove his ancestry, and suggesting "a family meeting".

He has enlisted the support of the Roman Catholic Church to exhume the bodies of other European royals related to Victoria and has set up a website with photographs of himself, and other family members, alongside those of the Queen and other royals to show their supposed resemblance.

Mr Manoel, whose hooked nose does bear a likeness to that of Wellington, claims that his great-grandfather, Marcos Manoel, born in April 1834 and abandoned at the Roman Catholic shelter in Lisbon, was the fruit of an affair between the then Princess Alexandrina Victoria and Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington.

Although Victoria was just 15 at the time and Wellington a widower of 64, Mr Manoel insists that "having lost her own father when she was a baby, Victoria had always looked on Wellington as a father figure. But women found him irresistible and when she became an adolescent, she too fell for his charms".

According to Mr Manoel, the affair between the heir to the throne and the much-decorated hero of Waterloo took place on the Isle of Wight, and it was to there that Victoria retreated when it became clear that she was pregnant. This he says is the reason for Victoria's attachment to the island where she later bought Osborne House.

He cites as evidence the reference in biographies to her suffering an "indisposition" in 1834 and disappearing from public view. He also points to the destruction of Victoria's papers after her death by her youngest daughter Princess Beatrice. Victoria meticulously kept a diary that filled more than 122 volumes, and according to Cecil Woodham-Smith, her biographer, was "a record of persons, events and emotions without parallel in European history".

The loss of these diaries has led many historians to speculate that she had something to hide, though never before that this might involve Wellington and a secret love child. The infant was supposedly smuggled to Portugal because of Wellington's connections with the country where he had twice led forces to repel Napoleon and was regarded as a hero.

Mr Manoel has presented his case in a book The British Crown's Great Secret, published in Lisbon in English and Portuguese, a copy of which has been sent to Buckingham Palace, inscribed to "My dear cousin Elizabeth". He has received a reply only to his first letter which, while not denying his claim, said that there seemed "little evidence".

A palace spokesman said: "A number of people make claims to descendancy from the Royal Family and other European royal families. We don't take them seriously."

Lady Longford, an authority on Victoria, has read the book and while confirming that Wellington was "a very close family friend", insists that Mr Manoel's claims are "absolutely untrue. His great-grandfather probably was descended from some English person but not Victoria - she was absolutely under the thumb of her mother and did not even have her own bedroom".

But the photographs on Mr Manoel's website show a strong resemblance between his mother Olga Maria and the Queen; his grandmother Christina and Victoria of Hesse, Queen Victoria's first daughter; and himself and the Duke of Kent, Queen Victoria's father.

Mr Manoel also produced various items to prove his claim that he says were left with his great-grandfather as "signs of a foundling", including a silver pencil holder with Victoria's crest. He said: "We have borne this tremendous secret for 165 years and now it is time for our descendancy of the Saxe-Coburg and Hanover House to be officially acknowledged."

He said the family has kept quiet until now because it feared reprisals. "We all knew who we were - I was told by my grandmother when I was nine - but it was taboo to mention it outside the family. In the Twenties we sent a private detective to England to make inquiries and he came back scared to death."

Mr Manoel claims to have received threats and to have been followed while on the Isle of Wight obtaining testimony from two old women who claim to have heard of "a child hidden at Osborne that Princess Victoria had when she was very young".

He admits, that "my story is stranger than fiction", but says "there is only one way to disprove it". Inspired by Prince Philip's agreement to provide DNA to identify positively the bones of the last Tsar, Mr Manoel has obtained permission from Lisbon council to exhume the bodies of his ancestors for DNA sampling. One of the corpses he is hoping to have exhumed is King Ferdinand II of Portugal, Victoria's first cousin.

Mr Manoel is determined to pursue his claim against the Queen to the courts if necessary. He said: "I am not seeking the throne or trying to start a war. I just want to achieve recognition and rectify history."

Another article about it is here:

http://www.baronage.co.uk/nl/nl-01-12.htm

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A CLAIM FROM PORTUGAL
An interesting variation of the search for distinguished ancestry has emerged from Portugal in the shape of a claim by Francisco Manoel, a 43-year-old antique furniture restorer in Lisbon, that he is the great-grandson of Princess Alexandrina Victoria's illegitimate son (born when the future Queen Victoria was 15 and the alleged father, the Duke of Wellington, was 64).

The full story is told in "The British Crown's Great Secret", a 400-page book written in Portuguese and fractured English and published in Lisbon.

The author has used circumstantial evidence to advance a case which does persuade an open mind to accept that something bizarre might be hidden in Victoria's early life, but that oddity, if it did exist, would not necessarily involve Wellington directly. He had been Prime Minister recently and was soon to be Prime Minister again, so, if the story is true, his alleged assistance in the smuggling of the little boy to Portugal would not necessarily be owed to his fatherhood of the child.
The author is attempting to arrange DNA tests on the bodies of Victoria's known descendants, and has on his website published photographs that, we must admit, do hint at the possibility of an unknown blood connection (not necessarily the one claimed) between Victoria's family and his. The photograph of the author's mother, Olga Maria, claimed as second cousin to H.M. Queen Elizabeth II, has been found persuasive by some. Royal smile ?

He also had a website to promote his book formerly located here:

http://www.netportugal.com/principe-manoel/I_home.html

that can still be seen at archive.org
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Old 19-07-2017, 04:00 AM   #2
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So what is the real story behind Gregg Hallett?

Some of what he says is true, like how there are several doubles of Vladimir Putin from a genetic engineering experiment involving his namesake Lenin. However he mixes in other disinformation, the spread of which is the real goal.

Gregg Hallett is what the Kremlin calls a 'useful idiot.' Someone that will go around trumpeting their counterintelligence narrative to introduce disinformation into the public record. Essentially, the information he provides about the alleged claims of the Braganza Francisco Manoel as a descendant of Queen Victoria are what the Kremlin calls 'active measures.' It is disinformation designed to undermine the crown.

Unfortunately for them the internet does not forget and their previous book The British Crown's Great Secret about being descended from the Duke of Wellington and not George of Hanover are easily found online.

Who is really behind all of this and what is the real goal?

Francisco Manoel is not really important. He is merely a handler of Gregg Hallett. The real mastermind behind the recent claims has been none other than the head of the House of Braganza, Duarte Pio, the current Duke of Braganza. From the Miguelist line of Braganzas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duarte...ke_of_Braganza

Who are the Braganzas?

The Braganza family are a defunct royal dynasty of Portugal. They are still stupid rich and basically the definition of old money, with wealth going back to the renaissance. They have found their way into many European royal families and even own airlines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braganza_(company)

The Braganzas lost Portugal during a republican revolution. The young king Manuel II could not defend his title against both the republicans and the rival Miguelist branch of the Braganza family. The fact he died without issue was the end of their monarchy, as Portugal went republican before allowing a Miguelist to ascend to the throne. Dom Manuel II, the Unfortunate, was the last of the liberal constitutionalist line and died under mysterious circumstances in exile. His father and older brother were murdered by their Miguelist relatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_II_of_Portugal

Who are the Miguelists?

The Miguelists were the absolutists in the Portuguese Liberal Wars between Pedro I of Brazil aka Pedro IV of Portugal supported by the liberal constitutionalists, and his younger brother Miguel I of Portugal supported by the absolutists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_I_of_Brazil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_I_of_Portugal

The Liberal Wars between the two brothers started when the Portuguese court fled to Brazil from Napoleon. Despite being illegitimate, Miguel I claimed his older brother forfeited the Portugese crown. He tried to marry his niece, Pedro's seven year old daughter to legitimize his claim, but the marriage was annulled upon her restoration to the throne in 1834.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_II_of_Portugal

The parents of the current Braganza Duke, Duarte Pio, were second cousins. There are many examples of the Braganzas 'keeping it in the family' including Jose, the Prince of Brazil who married his aunt. Thus, she was actually the daughter-in-law, sister-in-law and neice of Peter III of Portugal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3...ince_of_Brazil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_III_of_Portugal

There are several other examples of Braganza inbreeding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coupled_cousins

Why are the Braganzas trying to undermine the English monarchy today?

The more recent false claims about Marcos Manoel being the firstborn of Queen Victoria and Francisco Manoel being the legitimate claimant of the English throne are not really about Francisco Manoel at all. That disinformation is just to create gossip and controversy ahead of the pending death of Elizabeth II due to the unpopularity of Charles and Camilla.

The real horse Duarte Pio is betting on is actually another distant Braganza relative, Prince Joseph Wenzel Maximillian of Liechtenstein, or Prince Max. The first Jacobite successor born in England for centuries.

Yes, the Hallett disinformation is really part of a much larger Jacobite plot to install Prince Max as monarch of England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince..._Liechtenstein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobite_succession

His claims come through his mother Princess Sophie of Liechtenstein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie..._Liechtenstein

Her grandfather Albrecht, Duke of Bavaria was a descendant of Miguel I of Portugal through Duchess Marie Gabrille in Bavaria and Princess Maria Jose of Braganza.

The Braganza family still has much influence and wealth despite the loss of Portugal, but their real goal is the ultimate royal prize, to put one of their own on the throne of England itself.

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So what is the real story behind Gregg Hallett?

Some of what he says is true, like how there are several doubles of Vladimir Putin from a genetic engineering experiment involving his namesake Lenin. However he mixes in other disinformation, the spread of which is the real goal.

Gregg Hallett is what the Kremlin calls a 'useful idiot.' Someone that will go around trumpeting their counterintelligence narrative to introduce disinformation into the public record. Essentially, the information he provides about the alleged claims of the Braganza Francisco Manoel as a descendant of Queen Victoria are what the Kremlin calls 'active measures.' It is disinformation designed to undermine the crown.

Unfortunately for them the internet does not forget and their previous book The British Crown's Great Secret about being descended from the Duke of Wellington and not George of Hanover are easily found online.

Who is really behind all of this and what is the real goal?

Francisco Manoel is not really important. He is merely a handler of Gregg Hallett. The real mastermind behind the recent claims has been none other than the head of the House of Braganza, Duarte Pio, the current Duke of Braganza. From the Miguelist line of Braganzas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duarte...ke_of_Braganza

Who are the Braganzas?

The Braganza family are a defunct royal dynasty of Portugal. They are still stupid rich and basically the definition of old money, with wealth going back to the renaissance. They have found their way into many European royal families and even own airlines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braganza_(company)

The Braganzas lost Portugal during a republican revolution. The young king Manuel II could not defend his title against both the republicans and the rival Miguelist branch of the Braganza family. The fact he died without issue was the end of their monarchy, as Portugal went republican before allowing a Miguelist to ascend to the throne. Dom Manuel II, the Unfortunate, was the last of the liberal constitutionalist line and died under mysterious circumstances in exile. His father and older brother were murdered by their Miguelist relatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_II_of_Portugal

Who are the Miguelists?

The Miguelists were the absolutists in the Portuguese Liberal Wars between Pedro I of Brazil aka Pedro IV of Portugal supported by the liberal constitutionalists, and his younger brother Miguel I of Portugal supported by the absolutists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_I_of_Brazil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_I_of_Portugal

The Liberal Wars between the two brothers started when the Portuguese court fled to Brazil from Napoleon. Despite being illegitimate, Miguel I claimed his older brother forfeited the Portugese crown. He tried to marry his niece, Pedro's seven year old daughter to legitimize his claim, but the marriage was annulled upon her restoration to the throne in 1834.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_II_of_Portugal

The parents of the current Braganza Duke, Duarte Pio, were second cousins. There are many examples of the Braganzas 'keeping it in the family' including Jose, the Prince of Brazil who married his aunt. Thus, she was actually the daughter-in-law, sister-in-law and neice of Peter III of Portugal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3...ince_of_Brazil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_III_of_Portugal

There are several other examples of Braganza inbreeding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coupled_cousins

Why are the Braganzas trying to undermine the English monarchy today?

The more recent false claims about Marcos Manoel being the firstborn of Queen Victoria and Francisco Manoel being the legitimate claimant of the English throne are not really about Francisco Manoel at all. That disinformation is just to create gossip and controversy ahead of the pending death of Elizabeth II due to the unpopularity of Charles and Camilla.

The real horse Duarte Pio is betting on is actually another distant Braganza relative, Prince Joseph Wenzel Maximillian of Liechtenstein, or Prince Max. The first Jacobite successor born in England for centuries.

Yes, the Hallett disinformation is really part of a much larger Jacobite plot to install Prince Max as monarch of England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince..._Liechtenstein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobite_succession

His claims come through his mother Princess Sophie of Liechtenstein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie..._Liechtenstein

Her grandfather Albrecht, Duke of Bavaria was a descendant of Miguel I of Portugal through Duchess Marie Gabrille in Bavaria and Princess Maria Jose of Braganza.

The Braganza family still has much influence and wealth despite the loss of Portugal, but their real goal is the ultimate royal prize, to put one of their own on the throne of England itself.
where's the wiki evidence supporting this?
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where's the wiki evidence supporting this?
You mean the Vladimir Putin thing? That's in Gregg Hallett's material. He claimed there were several Putin doubles operating for the KGB in New Zealand during the 80's.

Here is a link including information about the multiple Putin doubles but I don't endorse all the content.

http://www.whale.to/b/putin_h.html

Putin's grandfather was Lenin's cook. His grandmother was Putin's lover.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin

Spirodon used to have his own wikipedia page but it seems to be deleted.

Here is a link from Pravda which indicates that Spirodon used to be Lenin's cook since the wikipedia article is gone.

http://www.pravdareport.com/history/...n_genealogy-0/

Putin is descended from Lenin and looks more like him than his official grandfather. Similar to the Octomom in vitro treatments, Putin has several twins as he was part of a genetic engineering experiment to produce a Russian leader for the twenty first century. Their political systems favor a single strongman leader for political stability unlike more western systems.

Nevertheless, this thread isn't about Byzantine Emperor Vladimir Putin, he deserves his own thread. His wealth rivals the British Crown or the Papal Estates. Google is your friend. There is a lot of information about Putin doubles on many websites. Another died of a heart attack a few years ago. Saddam and Hitler both had many doubles as well. That way, when one of them dies it isn't the end of the regime.

But seriously, the focus of this thread was about the two contradictory books from Francisco Manoel about allegedly being descended from Queen Victoria. My goal was just to explain how Gregg Hallett is just a dupe for the Duke of Braganza.

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but YOU said it was true.
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but YOU said it was true.
I do believe so, I just don't have good sources to quote like the Telegraph article on Francisco Manoel.

Here is one interesting article that compares different pictures of Putin.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...mlin-US-Crimea

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nger-ever.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-flourish.html

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you do realise the telegraph is msm, and most folks here would scoff at it being called a good source?
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you do realise the telegraph is msm, and most folks here would scoff at it being called a good source?
First of all, I focus on content and not sources. The veracity of the source is not at issue here.

Fancisco Manoel did publish a book previously that contradicts claims made in his current books published with Gregg Hallett. The story about the original book, The British Crown's Great Secret did appear in the Telegraph on December 19, 1999 and he did have a website to promote the first book at:

http://www.netportugal.com/principe-manoel/I_home.html

... that you can see at archive.org with pictures of the same 'royal marks' he now claims prove his title.

I trust you are not denying that the article appeared in the Telegraph or that he did publish a contradictory book. Those are easily verifiable claims contradicting his current claims in The Hidden King of England. Was he descended from George V of Hanover and Victoria or from Wellington and Victoria? Was he legitimate or not? Why did his story change? Why does he not mention The British Crown's Great Secret in his current book The Hidden King of England?

Anyway, I found out the back story so I decided to post it here with some information about the Braganzas.
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ok. just imagine I agree with your point here. is this francisco manoel any relation to king arthur II?


seriously, how far has he traced his ancestral background? before supporting someone such as this guy, could I suggest you read / watch blackett and wilson (richplanet's series of interviews with them is a good place to start - a little boring to begin with, but they offer great insight into the true ascension to the british throne, and it's not a german one either)
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He sure resembles Wellington to me. All he needs is DNA proof and if it proves what he says that will shut everyone up. Also seems to me like some serious investment there on books he wrote so it appears with exhumation we will know if he has his way. Doesn't seem to be shying away so I think when someone puts money where their mouth is that it's got higher probability of being legit.
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He sure resembles Wellington to me. All he needs is DNA proof and if it proves what he says that will shut everyone up. Also seems to me like some serious investment there on books he wrote so it appears with exhumation we will know if he has his way. Doesn't seem to be shying away so I think when someone puts money where their mouth is that it's got higher probability of being legit.
You're missing the point. You must not be familiar with Gregg Hallet's material. If Francisco Manoel is descended from Wellington as claimed in his first book The British Crown's Great Secret, then he is NOT descended from George V of Hanover as claimed in the new books called The Hidden King of England. Why the inconsistency? Which story is true? [Neither, obviously.] The point of my post was to source the inconsistent claims and present them for public introspection in a forum frequented by those of us with a penchant for such information. Again, I was able to find out the backstory about the real puppet masters behind his information in the Braganza family and decided to include it.

Some of Gregg Hallett's information is good. In particular, how he discusses the way sexual indiscretions are used as blackmail of political and government figures is good information. Much of that is similar to the information Icke publishes and there are not a lot of people willing to put such controversial allegations in a public forum.

Nevertheless, his claims about being made "Arch Treasurer of England" by Francisco Manoel are just total and utter codswallop. Francisco Manoel is not a descendant of Victoria, legitimate or otherwise. He is just a Portuguese antique furniture dealer that got a hold of some old British crap he now tries to pawn off as proof of his legitimacy. Gregg Hallett is an alcoholic blowhard that attributes downright delusional connections between unrelated events. For example, he saw a naval ship outside a cave where he was squatting and considered it 'proof' that he was responsible for the abdication of Juan Carlos of Spain. There was also a bunch of crap about David Bowie and the Bataclan theater but I didn't pay enough attention to bother debunking it.
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ok. just imagine I agree with your point here. is this francisco manoel any relation to king arthur II?
I would say no, nor would that be relevant.

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seriously, how far has he traced his ancestral background? before supporting someone such as this guy, could I suggest you read / watch blackett and wilson (richplanet's series of interviews with them is a good place to start - a little boring to begin with, but they offer great insight into the true ascension to the british throne, and it's not a german one either)
I'm not very familiar with it, but I don't consider the Matt Taylor information to be verifiable. But I have been to Kentucky and can say that it is very unlikely it was Camelot or that white people went there in the first millennium.

However, I do think I saw Excalibur in the British Museum along with some great tarts.

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Here is another link with an ISBN for the first book.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/grande...oclc/642509337

https://books.google.com/books/about...d=1_o_IQAACAAJ

Do you think Gregg Hallett or Jim Fetzer know they have been had?

I triple dare someone to email him a link to this thread.

https://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/

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i wonder do the maths add up?

Queen Victoria was 15 in 1834, Edward VII (Queens great granfather) was born in 1841....

This guy is what, 60 years old, and Queenie is 91.

so there is some room for manouvering, but i don't think the maths add up.
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I would say no, nor would that be relevant.



I'm not very familiar with it, but I don't consider the Matt Taylor information to be verifiable. But I have been to Kentucky and can say that it is very unlikely it was Camelot or that white people went there in the first millennium.

However, I do think I saw Excalibur in the British Museum along with some great tarts.
it's relevant because both comments are linked...

wilson and blackett believe they have 'found' ancient briton bloodlines that prove the alt. monarchy as the true british monarchy NOT the germans that currently sit on the throne...

so, the relevancy would be anyone claiming such a birthright would NEED king arthur ancestry proven


wilson and blackett have evidences supporting research in all of their findings...
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i wonder do the maths add up?

Queen Victoria was 15 in 1834, Edward VII (Queens great granfather) was born in 1841....

This guy is what, 60 years old, and Queenie is 91.

so there is some room for manouvering, but i don't think the maths add up.
Well he does have two contradictory genealogies claiming descent from Queen Victoria. I would bet that neither is real.
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Anyway, Francisco Manoel and the Braganzas aren't really trying to make a serious claim. They just want to introduce disinformation into the public sphere through gossipmongers like Hallett to undermine succession after Elizabeth II dies.

All of Hallett's material is what the Russians call "active measures."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures
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Since I have used this thread as a basic expose on the Braganzas, I might as well include another one of their major disinformation campaigns, the Fatima Hoax.

The Braganzas, an allegedly Catholic family, were the ones that orchestrated the Fatima Hoax, an idea which has gone from the lunatic fringe of the Catholic Church to become Ex Cathedra from the alleged pope himself, now apparently a Fatimite.

Traditionally, Catholicism and Christianity were about rejecting such doctrines and voodoo like superstitions. There once was a time that Catholic nations from Europe spread throughout the world attacking superstitious and polytheistic religions with deadly force. In modern times, it seems to embrace such phenomena instead. There will be no further elaboration upon the complex political reasons for this. Instead, this will be a short post focusing on the alleged 'Fatima miracles' themselves.

Allegedly, three children in the Braganza homeland of Portugal 'saw' the Blessed Mother and had three vague Nostradamus like visions that were not to be revealed until future times. Further giving credence to this hoax was an incident where several 'witnesses' for the 'miracle of the sun' where the sun allegedly changed colors and moved positions from its normal orbit in the sky; a miracle allegedly promised by the Marian apparitions.

Of course, there is no actual evidence of this and no photographic evidence, only alleged 'eye witness' testimony of people in Portugal. The whole hoax and perjured witnesses were concocted arranged by the Braganza family to promote Portugal in Catholicism and to also hijack the narrative of the church towards their erroneous superstitious interpretation of Catholic doctrine..
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