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Old 18-08-2014, 04:55 PM   #21
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Old 18-08-2014, 04:58 PM   #22
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I honestly haven't a clue mate. i'm still trying to work it out.
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Old 18-08-2014, 05:04 PM   #23
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This "Cabal","Archons","Reptilians" and what nots are also part of the illusion,
If you believe they exist and have power over you,then this illusionistic universe will create them for you to fight against...
they exist, but they are part of the illusion. trick is how much or how little power they hold over every human.
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Old 18-08-2014, 05:42 PM   #24
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Tolle is wrong.
The white light is exactly which traps you. The golden or purple light is where you should be headed. The white light is i reckon the same "good" you feel when you are a christian and jesus blesses you. It's a trap.

Steer away from the white light. Go to the purple or golden light.
In the Tibetan Book of Dead, they mention yellow and blue light too.
Anyway, this is HELL so as long as you don't choose white light, you'll be allright, aren't you?
It will be bummer if you weren't offered other than white light, won't it?

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Old 18-08-2014, 08:07 PM   #25
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they do exist, their power is what is illusury as it only exists within this reality. But I don't believe they hold power over me, because by being informed I can stop feeding them unconciously. Pretending they do not exist or denying their mind control won't change the fact that you are food for them. If anything it will make you easier bait for them.
Why do you think I'm pretending?
They do not stand above this reality or universe,(As you seem to think they do.)
They are part of it,just like anything else in this mad ego reality,where everything is forced into duality:US vs THEM.
I don't believe in their power and I don't believe in their existence.
If anything,BELIEVING they exist WILL give them power over you.
But yes,within this "dream" it all seems real.

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Old 18-08-2014, 08:11 PM   #26
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they exist, but they are part of the illusion. trick is how much or how little power they hold over every human.
If they are part of the illusion then they don't exist...
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Old 18-08-2014, 09:08 PM   #27
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If they are part of the illusion then they don't exist...
You've got a point there.
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Old 18-08-2014, 09:10 PM   #28
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This "Cabal","Archons","Reptilians" and what nots are also part of the illusion,
If you believe they exist and have power over you,then this illusionistic universe will create them for you to fight against...


Then tell me this, where did the illusion come from? Why is there an illusion? Who created the illusion?

What is real?
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Old 18-08-2014, 09:33 PM   #29
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Then tell me this, where did the illusion come from? Why is there an illusion? Who created the illusion?

What is real?
"The Tiny Mad Idea".
If you can get past the Christian terminology then
this page explains it better than I can:

http://www.miraclestudies.net/Question12.html

I know the "Course in Miracles" has a bad *undeserved* reputation in forums like these,
but I find the NON-Dualistic philosophy behind it,the most sane one,explaining a lot about this mad ego driven world.
Note that ACIM is just one way of explaining non-dualism.I just happen to like this one a lot ...

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Old 18-08-2014, 09:49 PM   #30
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i'm no scientist, but isn't there a theory about particles existing only when observed? is it the double slit experiment or string theory. so if a particle only exists when observed then the act of us focussing on it creates it.

i.e we are creaters of our own reality? innit?
What exists is either a particle/matter or a waveform/energy. The contradiction is that when the particle is measured the calculations do not fit the waveform and visa versa.



What the bleep postulated that humans have the power to collapse the waveform into the particle merely by observing it, this is an incredible powerful thing to do, yet we take it for granted, because we have been told that we did not create it, it was god or a big bang and life is an accident.

There must be a consensus about what we call call reality because we all more or less experience a similar reality, Earth, Sun, Moon, Solar System, etc.....

So we create our reality. Individually and collectively.

It is our beliefs that create reality and our individual beliefs create very differing explanations of this reality. As to it origins and what exists outside of visible light.

Consider this, we have all been conditioned since birth by our parents, peers, culture, education, religion, to view the world in a variety of ways and yet at the same time there is a collective consensus. This conditioning has been passed down generationaly, with modifications when new explanations of reality come about and are accepted by the collective.

What if our creative ability/power has been usurped, and we are conditioned to create a false reality that is in the best interests of someone elses agenda that manipulates humanity into accepting heirachy and government as the norm, slavery.

My question is, are you creating your reality or somebody elses reality.

Is it strange that very few know who they are, or why they are here, how the masses accept materialism as all there is.

How very few challenge the way things are and think that its always been like this.

That the masses are restricted to information regarding our psychology, and spirituality and sovereignty and encouraged to follow the belief systems and religions that explain our existence, that require we follow some hierarchical structure and be led, by gurus, priests, politicians, scientists etc.

What if everything you have been taught is wrong? The paradigm that has been accepted for millennia is coming to a close. That we are awakening to the truth of who we really are, that we are powerful beyond measure and we are only just scratching the surface of the awakening.
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Old 18-08-2014, 09:53 PM   #31
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Why do you think I'm pretending?
They do not stand above this reality or universe,(As you seem to think they do.)
They are part of it,just like anything else in this mad ego reality,where everything is forced into duality:US vs THEM.
I don't believe in their power and I don't believe in their existence.
If anything,BELIEVING they exist WILL give them power over you.
But yes,within this "dream" it all seems real.
If you are wrong, and they do exist, then your denial of their existence gives them total power over you.

If this is a dream for you, i suggest that you wake up.

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Old 18-08-2014, 09:55 PM   #32
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If you are wrong, and they do exist, then your denial of their existence gives them total power over you.

If this is a dream for you, i suggest that you wake up.
I suggest we ALL wake up :luv:
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Old 18-08-2014, 09:57 PM   #33
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"The Tiny Mad Idea".
If you can get past the Christian terminology then
this page explains it better than I can:

http://www.miraclestudies.net/Question12.html

I know the "Course in Miracles" has a bad *undeserved* reputation in forums like these,
but I find the NON-Dualistic philosophy behind it,the most sane one,explaining a lot about this mad ego driven world.
Note that ACIM is just one way of explaining non-dualism.I just happen to like this one a lot ...
Been there, there are better explanations. New age psy-op.

I suggest that you go here.

"New" Age Bullshit And The Suppression Of The Sacred Masculine - Extended Video Podcast Edition

He also explains it better than i can.
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Old 19-08-2014, 07:28 AM   #34
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Been there, there are better explanations. New age psy-op.

I suggest that you go here.

"New" Age Bullshit And The Suppression Of The Sacred Masculine - Extended Video Podcast Edition

He also explains it better than i can.
Let me see;I posted that link at 18-08-2014, 02:33 PM.
Your reply,telling me it's new age psy-op,is posted at 18-08-2014, 02:57 PM.
Since a forum is not a live chat,24 minutes is certainly not enough to read the page at the link I gave you and form an opinion;
You just jumped to a conclusion.
Somehow I don't think you even bothered to read it
Quite disappointing Swami :sadface:
And by the way,the sacred masculine AND feminine have BOTH been suppressed through history,again this mad ego reality in action.

Anyway,have a nice day :luv:
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Old 19-08-2014, 07:34 AM   #35
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Tolle is wrong.
The white light is exactly which traps you. The golden or purple light is where you should be headed. The white light is i reckon the same "good" you feel when you are a christian and jesus blesses you. It's a trap.

Steer away from the white light. Go to the purple or golden light.
Can you tell me where you got this information from and why you believe it?
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Old 19-08-2014, 07:37 AM   #36
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If they are part of the illusion then they don't exist...
of course they do, because the illusion is real. therefore they exist. everything exists, the illusion and everything in the illusion. but wether they have power over you, and wether the illusion has power over you, then that is what needs to be figured out.
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Old 19-08-2014, 08:31 AM   #37
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of course they do, because the illusion is real. therefore they exist. everything exists, the illusion and everything in the illusion. but wether they have power over you, and wether the illusion has power over you, then that is what needs to be figured out.
eh no,if it's an illusion then it's not real,you can't have it both ways
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of course you can. everything is energy. therefore everything exists.
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Old 19-08-2014, 08:43 AM   #39
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i'm no scientist, but isn't there a theory about particles existing only when observed?
i.e we are creaters of our own reality? innit?
I think it's the properties of a particle (position , velocity) that are variable ,depending on observarion.

So if we expand this idea to ET s , they do exist whether you observe them or not , but the MOOD you catch them in, will depend on your observation.

YES ...we create our own reality, perhaps depending on how we observe, or rather how we interpret what we observe...
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Old 19-08-2014, 10:07 AM   #40
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of course you can. everything is energy. therefore everything exists.
energy is part of the illusion too
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