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Old 18-04-2014, 10:54 PM   #1
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Default HMRC to sell taxpayers' financial data

The new legislation would allow HMRC to release anonymised tax data to third parties including companies, researchers and public bodies where there is a public benefit

The personal financial data of millions of taxpayers could be sold to private firms under laws being drawn up by HM Revenue & Customs in a move branded "dangerous" by tax professionals and "borderline insane" by a senior Conservative MP.

Despite fears that it could jeopardise the principle of taxpayer confidentiality, the legislation would allow HMRC to release anonymised tax data to third parties including companies, researchers and public bodies where there is a public benefit. According to HMRC documents, officials are examining "charging options".

The government insists that there will be suitable safeguards on personal data. But the plans, being overseen by the Treasury minister David Gauke, are likely to provoke serious worries among privacy campaigners and MPs in the wake of public concern about the government's Care.data scheme – a plan to share "anonymised" medical records with third parties.

The Care.data initiative has now been suspended for six months over fears that people could be identified from the supposedly anonymous data, which turned out to contain postcodes, dates of birth, NHS numbers, ethnicity and gender

HMRC's chequered record on data is likely to come under scrutiny given historical scandals involving the loss of personal information about 25 million child benefit claimants and 15,000 bank customers.

Critics fear the data could include details about income, tax arrangements and payment history and would carry a risk that people could be identified. Even the perception that this could happen may lead to a breakdown in trust between HMRC and taxpayers, the Chartered Institute of Taxation warned.

Ross Anderson, a professor of security engineering at Cambridge University, said the information could be highly useful to credit rating agencies, advertisers, and retailers wanting to practise price discrimination.

He also raised concerns about any government claims to have made data fully anonymous.

"This is going to be a big battleground," he said. "If they were to make HMRC information more available, there's an awful lot of people who would like to get their hands on it. Anonymisation is something about which they lied to us over medical data … If the same thing is about to be done by HMRC, there should be a much greater public debate about this."

"We are concerned that even the strictest safeguards and deterrents may not prevent misuse of the data, or identification of the underlying taxpayer," he said. "There are already examples of aggregate data being provided at such a granular level which would enable identification of the relevant individuals, and we are anxious that any broadening of HMRC's powers of disclosure will inevitably lead to the identification of individuals, and a consequential breakdown in trust between HMRC and taxpayers, not to mention contravention of legislation such as the Human Rights Act."

The Tory MP David Davis, a former minister and shadow home secretary, described the proposal as "borderline insane", adding: "The Treasury lists no credible benefits and offers a justification based on an international agreement that does not lead other governments to open up their tax database," he said. "The officials who drew this up clearly have no idea of the risks to data in an electronic age. Our forefathers put these checks and balances in place when the information was kept in cardboard files, and data was therefore difficult to appropriate and misuse.

"It defies logic that we would remove those restraints at a time when data can be collected by the gigabyte, processed in milliseconds and transported around the world almost instantaneously."

HMRC has not made clear exactly what bits of data it would share and with whom, but it has a wealth of information about people living in Britain. Its director of risk and intelligence said in 2012: "We have more data than the British Library."

The government has strict rules about what can be released outside HMRC, with a near total ban on data sharing unless it is beneficial for the organisation's internal work. But despite the restrictions, HMRC has quietly launched a pilot programme that has released data about VAT registration for research purposes to three private credit ratings agencies: Experian, Equifax and Dun & Bradstreet.

To comply with the law, the private ratings agencies, which determine credit scores for millions of people and businesses, have been contracted to act on behalf of HMRC and are "therefore treated as part of the department" – giving them access to tax data about businesses that would otherwise be confidential.

The government's plans to change the law to allow the sale of anonymised individual tax data and release of the VAT register were buried in documents as part of the autumn statement and recent budget.

Emma Carr, of Big Brother Watch, said the government should not try to sneak the plans through without a public debate. She said: "The ongoing claims about anonymous data overlook the serious risks to privacy of individual level data being vulnerable to reidentification."

During the consultation process officials acknowledged there were "concerns around the dangers of individual identities being disclosed inadvertently" but they believe the data can be appropriately protected.

Stephen Coleclough, president of the Chartered Institute of Taxation, said HMRC had failed to grasp the "worrying and dangerous" implications of what would be made into law.

"We are concerned that even the strictest safeguards and deterrents may not prevent misuse of the data, or identification of the underlying taxpayer," he said. "There are already examples of aggregate data being provided at such a granular level which would enable identification of the relevant individuals, and we are anxious that any broadening of HMRC's powers of disclosure will inevitably lead to the identification of individuals, and a consequential breakdown in trust between HMRC and taxpayers, not to mention contravention of legislation such as the Human Rights Act."

The Treasury confirmed it was proceeding with plans to legislate to make aggregated and anonymised data more widely available
, as set out in an HMRC document that said: "The government has decided to proceed with the proposal to remove the legal restrictions that currently limit HMRC's ability to share anonymised individual level data for the purpose of research and analysis and deliver public benefits wider than HMRC's own functions, but they accept that this must be done only where there are sufficient safeguards in place to protect taxpayer confidentiality.

"HMRC is committed to protecting its customers' information. We shall be consulting further on implementing the proposals for sharing anonymised data, and would only take forward specific measures where there was a clear public benefit and subject to suitable safeguards."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...taxpayers-data
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Old 19-04-2014, 12:19 AM   #2
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LOL. We really do live in a fascist society. Where business and Government are indistinguishable. How did we go so wrong? I'm really feeling down about this right now. It seems that it is irreversible. The Political spectrum is dead, the business avenue is dead.. everything controlled, everything manipulated.

How did we as humanity go so far off track?
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Old 19-04-2014, 12:25 AM   #3
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LOL. We really do live in a fascist society
LOL?.....I would have said fuck.....I do hear you tho
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LOL. We really do live in a fascist society. Where business and Government are indistinguishable. How did we go so wrong? I'm really feeling down about this right now. It seems that it is irreversible. The Political spectrum is dead, the business avenue is dead.. everything controlled, everything manipulated.

How did we as humanity go so far off track?
It is simple. The elites have been using their subversion techniques on use for years and we didn't do anything to stop them, indeed most people didn't and still don't even know about how they're being played. We can still turn this around but we must no longer be slaves and cowards.

OP : It's disgusting that one's personal financial details can be sold on like this, but is it surprising? The NHS, another government institution, has been selling personal data for a while now.

On a related note, in Sweden, Norway and Finland, people's income and tax details are PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE and anyone can view them online. That really is disgraceful, but what is more is alarming is I have been in Sweden and the people I spoke to didn't seem bothered by it.

Seems apathy is rife.
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Old 19-04-2014, 12:40 AM   #5
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It is simple. The elites have been using their subversion techniques on use for years and we didn't do anything to stop them, indeed most people didn't and still don't even know about how they're being played. We can still turn this around but we must no longer be slaves and cowards.

OP : It's disgusting that one's personal financial details can be sold on like this, but is it surprising? The NHS, another government institution, has been selling personal data for a while now.

On a related note, in Sweden, Norway and Finland, people's income and tax details are PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE and anyone can view them online. That really is disgraceful, but what is more is alarming is I have been in Sweden and the people I spoke to didn't seem bothered by it.

Seems apathy is rife.
Elite: Agreed but until more are awake to the truth then nothing will change. Change requires numbers and we just don't have it. Yet..

As for the Nordic countries. Well... they probably think the policy is there to keep the rich/elite in check. So the wealthy don't defraud the state and such. Yeah, what a con..
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Old 19-04-2014, 12:48 AM   #6
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Have you tried phoning the cunts up at HMRC?

They have been in trouble for coining it with their 0300 number. They just leave you hanging and don't answer. They make many millions from unanswered calls.

Nothing is sacred anymore.
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LOL. We really do live in a fascist society. Where business and Government are indistinguishable. How did we go so wrong? I'm really feeling down about this right now. It seems that it is irreversible. The Political spectrum is dead, the business avenue is dead.. everything controlled, everything manipulated.

How did we as humanity go so far off track?
Private information in paying taxes should never ever be a sellable commodity....But most of us know the NWO & tyranny that is coming

Wasn't biometrics in using government services meant to start in April
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And not one of us can effect enough of a change we are lost cos the majority still not awakened and are comfy in their own shut off comfort zones.

http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/2009/0...re-03-numbers/ It costs no more than 01 or 08 numbers the 0300

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Wasn't biometrics in using government services meant to start in April
GOV.UK

Government Digital Strategy

"This strategy sets out how government will redesign its digital services so well that people prefer to use them."

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...gital-strategy


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The Government Digital Strategy committed the government to ensuring all new or redesigned digital services meet this standard from April 2014.

To achieve this, teams must demonstrate that they have met the criteria below, and must be able to maintain this quality for the full life of their service.
https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/digital-by-default
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Have you tried phoning the cunts up at HMRC?

They have been in trouble for coining it with their 0300 number. They just leave you hanging and don't answer. They make many millions from unanswered calls.

Nothing is sacred anymore.
I completely agree! Like many other companies, they've obviously found (yet another) way to cheat/swindle the public - as is the case with them considering selling what is, in effect, PRIVATE information belonging to others and given in good faith. I have to say though that, in truth, very little surprises me anymore and, one thing I've noticed over the years is that, with every passing decade, people are less inclined to guard their private information and (quite willingly) give it away without question.

John.

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GOV.UK

Government Digital Strategy

"This strategy sets out how government will redesign its digital services so well that people prefer to use them."

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...gital-strategy




https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/digital-by-default
Well Done!

This is it. They are going to hire 4 private companies which you choose which one to sign up with, and it is going to use biometrics as your digital ID, fingerprints, face scans, they started a few years ago at the Post Office with Biometric Residence Permit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBZ4InDRHiw

For the start its not going to be all government services but once up and running then you can be sure it will be all of them, such as benefits, taxes etc. They are being very quiet about this and most people will find out as they go along...wonder why!

I am assuming the digital biometrics ID is cleverly called "Identity Assurance"

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Identity assurance guidance

Users of digital government services need to be able to sign in securely and conveniently to access services and records, and be confident that their data is secure and their privacy protected.

Identity assurance is the way that users of digital services can sign in securely to digital services, and digital services can be confident that users are who they say they are. A good background description can be found on this blog post.

Service providers can be assured they’re providing their service to the right individual or business after matching an assured identity to their own records.

This guidance is for government digital service providers that need to use the identity assurance service. Service providers are referred to as ‘relying parties’ to avoid confusion between those providing the government service to the user and those providing the identity service to the user.

The guidance gives an overview of the identity assurance service and explains what relying parties will need to do to prepare to start using the identity assurance service.

Relying parties that need to use the identity assurance service will need to:

assess the level and type of identity assurance they require
build a service to request and consume Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML) identity assertions
build a matching service to match assured identities to their own records

How the identity assurance service works
1. User is directed to the hub to sign in

When users try to use a service provided by a relying party, they will be directed to the identity assurance hub at the point in the user journey where the relying party needs to know who they are.

The hub manages communications between users, relying parties and identity providers. It makes sure that users can assert their identities securely and safely, and that relying parties can be confident that users are who they say they are.

https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/identity-assurance
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from all directions.....

GOV- Looking after your health and care information

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When you use health and social care services, the people looking after you will need to collect information about you and your care for different reasons.

Your information is often moved around electronically to ensure your health and care professionals can get to it when they need it. We control many of the systems that allow this to happen.

Important information is also sent securely to us from wherever you receive care. Find out more about the information that we collect. The HSCIC was committed under the Health and Social Care Act 2012 to look after this information.

Protecting your personal confidential information is central to all that we do, so we treat it with the greatest care and respect. It can only be seen by those who have a legal basis to see it and they must follow strict rules. It has to be kept safe and secure at all times.

We turn some of the information that is collected into charts and tables to help people who want to improve the NHS and social care (find out more in why information is needed). When we do this we are careful to take out any personal information that could identify you. You may see some of these statistics reported in the news and discussed in Parliament. We also provide facts and figures to patients when they are making choices about their healthcare.

For more information about us and to see the membership of our board, go to Who we are and what we do.

Why information is needed

Information is used for purposes beyond your direct care:
Commissioning

The people who plan health and care services (commissioners) need good information about the types of illnesses people have and the treatments they receive, as well as the result of that care or treatment. They can then check to make sure that people are getting the services that are right for them.

Find out more about how sharing information in your medical records can help the NHS to provide better care in the information leaflet Better information means better care.

Find out more about commissioning in health and social care on the NHS England website.
Public health

Some information is used for public health. It lets the NHS look ahead and plan what to do if there are outbreaks of diseases. It also helps the NHS to take action now to stop problems from happening in the future.

Information also helps to improve medicines and treatments for patients. Researchers study it to find better ways to prevent illness and treat conditions. Find out more about how information is used in health research in the National Institute for Health Research leaflet Your health records save lives.

Clinical Practice Research Datalink

Clinical Practice Research Datalink (CPRD) is the English NHS observational data and interventional research service, jointly funded by the NHS National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) and the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). CPRD services are designed to maximise the way anonymised NHS clinical data can be linked to enable many types of observational research and deliver research outputs that are beneficial to improving and safeguarding public health.

National Institute for Health Research: Clinical Research Network

The Clinical Research Network supports high-quality clinical research in the NHS so that patients can benefit from new and better treatments, and we can learn how to improve NHS healthcare for the future. You can also find out how they are working with patients to ensure their needs are at the centre of all research activity.

Medical Research Council

The Medical Research Council is a publicly-funded organisation dedicated to improving human health. It supports research across the whole range of medical sciences in universities and hospitals, and their own units, centres and institutes.

Association of Medical Research Charities

AMRC is a membership organisation of the leading medical and health research charities in the UK. The association works to support the sector's effectiveness, develop best practice, provide information and guidance, improve public dialogue about research and science, and influence government.

UK Clinical Research Collaboration

The UK Clinical Research Collaboration brings together the NHS, research funders, industry, regulatory bodies, Royal Colleges, patient groups and academia to facilitate and promote high quality clinical research for the benefit of patients.
Risk stratification

Health and care information can be used to identify who is most at risk of particular diseases and conditions, so those who plan care can provide preventative services and patients can be targeted with particular treatments. This is also known as risk stratification.
Invoice validation

Information is also used to make sure that NHS organisations receive the correct payments for the services they provide to individuals. This is also known as invoice validation.

A guide to confidentiality in health and social care

Rules for sharing information

Organisations that handle confidential health and social care information have to ensure that it is held securely and shared appropriately.

A number of laws, principles and obligations govern how organisations should handle this information. They have grown increasingly complicated to understand and this has sometimes made it hard for staff to make clear decisions about when they should and should not share confidential information.
http://www.hscic.gov.uk/patientconf

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