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Old 11-02-2011, 01:13 AM   #1
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Is the lost city of Atlantis on Google Maps?

t's rectangular. It certainly looks man-made. It's off the coast of North Africa. It's deep underwater. And it's on Google Maps.

Could it be the ancient lost city of Atlantis?

That's what Bernie Bamford, a British aeronautical engineer, wondered after he spotted an unusual pattern of rectangles on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean, The Telegraph newspaper reports. About the size of Connecticut, the pattern looks an awful lot like an aerial grid map of a city.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog...09atlantis.jpg

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Old 11-02-2011, 01:22 AM   #2
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does anyone have the original national geographic underwater sea maps to compare with the google ones? Nat Goe's are like 30 years old... before the time of airbrushing in the interests of national security

this is old news even if rense has it on the top of his latest... (at the moment of this writing)
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I always imagined Atlantis being much bigger than that.
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This isn't news, this was discovered ages ago and explained.
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:16 AM   #5
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Yup (to MK) this did the rounds about a year or so back. Its not a structure but is the scanning pattern of the boats going over it (there are others around as well).
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Why is it called the Atlantic Ocean?


Because it was once the place of Atlantis? The Atlantic Ocean surrounding Atlantis?
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Either the city is very small or the building structures are unbelievably huge?
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Either the city is very small or the building structures are unbelievably huge?
Apparently it was 10 islands. But they were built around each other with irrigation channels between them, so the story goes.

The mighty Poseidon rule Atlantis and his first born son, Atlas was the king.

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The answer to your question is yes, except Atlantis was a continent in the Atlantic, not a city, the Capital was Poseidopolis, situated at the centre.

This map published by Jesuit Priest, Athanasius Kircher in Mundus Subterraneus (1678) depicts the world 'upside down' because the poles were reversed at this time. The original map was taken from Egypt by the Romans.



This is the city plan, with concentric canals and a busy international port as described by Plato, before the cataclysm which sank it beneath the waves, making the ocean un-navigable until the time of Columbus.


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This was my specialised subject in my late teens, (LONG TIME AGO) although I never learned of it in any school books!

Another author and topic erased from the curriculum!

Ignatius Donnelly; Atlantis, The Antediluvian World.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ataw/index.htm


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I'm a big believer that Atlantis existed. In reference to the image, I wouldn't rule anything out, even if we are told its not Atlantis.
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I'm very convinced Atlantis (if it did exist) was in the Altiplano plane in South america. No other Atlantis theory comes anywhere near close to fitting the criteria.
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I've always liked the theory that Atlantis was close to the west coast of Ireland or between Denmark and the UK (Doggerland).

http://www.nextnature.net/2009/04/mapping-a-lost-world/
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I also believe it was a real place. But who to believe and to not believe.

I found this:

GO to the link for pictures:

http://eden-saga.com/en/340-edgar-ca...s-is-back.html

Edgar CayceSee Edgar Cayce predicted that AtlantisSee Plato's Atlantis would reappear in 1968. Those who expected to see a continent emerging in the Atlantic Ocean booed the false prophet. Yet it could be that the US Nostradamus has been right, once again.


Atlantis In Bimini ?


Carte des îles Bimini. En rouge, la chaussée des géants submergée non loin de Paradise PointNearly 700 lectures of Edgar Cayce evoke Atlantis. In March 1967, he explained that « the lands adjacent to south and west of Bimini Islands are a part of Atlantis which will reappear in 1968 - 1969. » In 1968, nothing emerged, but something was found by 21 feet underwater, off Bimini. A sort of road, consisting in polygonal rocks. The team of Manson Valentine filmed the remains. Partially silted, the dam is visible enough so that we can form an opinion.



Sur la route de Bimini : Certains des blocs ont la taille imposante des constructions cyclopéennes



La route de Bimini70 yards long and 10 yards wide, the structure seems to be built in cut blocks. Some are more than five yards long and weigh at least five tons. Is it a road, a dam? The 'Bimini Wall' has fat faces, its corners can be verified with a set square in all three axes. The natural origin is excluded. It could be a port, with docks and a double pier, of variable width, and symetrical. It looks like Poseidopolis.Capital city of Atlantis. See Plato's Atlantis Would have Atlantis resurfaced?Lire Last Days in Atlantis





In 1750, Philippe Bauche, French royal geographer, drew a map of the Atlantic Ocean. We can see in it, noone knows where from, the contours and reliefs of the island of Atlantis, submerged 12,000 years ago.



La carte de l'île Atlantide, tracée par le géomètre Philippe Bauche en 1750



Les ruines de Bimini : sans doute les vestiges de fondation d'un temple ou d'une grande demeurePlato dated the engulfment of Atlantis at 11,500 BPBefore Present. ie -9,500. And the remains of Bimini have been dated at 8,000 to 10,000 years ago. But there is more. Dated at 12,000 years ago, ruins of temple have been found in the same sector. They have a resemblance with the pyramids of Giza or with the Osireion in Abydos, Egypt. They also remind of the sites of Yucatan and Peru. They are cyclopean constructions, built before the flood.



Non loin de la Route de Bimini, ces colonnes proviennent d'un temple détruit. Age estimé : 12.000 ans.


Mystery Pending



In 1975, an expedition led by David ZinkThis British teacher works at Lamar University found a stone he called "head", because of its resemblance to the head of a statue. Three years later, advanced analysises made an uncertain verdict: the stone in question may have been a statue. Or not ... Once again, the mystery is pending.



La route de Bimini, sous n'importe quel angle, ressemble aux murs cyclopéens du Yucatàn, tout proche…



For twenty-five years, discoveries have been accumulated, archaeologists have looked elsewhere. In 2000, Paulina ZelitskiNaval engineer of Polish origin, she is not part of the archaeological seraglio explored the sea-bed in the west of Cuba when she discovered on his sonar geometric forms more than 750 yards in depth. These regular forms extend over 5 square miles under the Caribbean Sea.


Les ruines de Bimini : ces traces sont celle d'une ville immergée, au moins de ses fondations. © Google EarthWere the structures built when the present bed of the ocean was emerged? Hard to believe: such a depth implies an ancientness unacceptable for archaeology. For Zelitski, there is no problem. She is convinced that these megalithic structures come from an unknown civilization, who lived thousands of years ago on a land joining the archipelago of Cuba to Yucatan Peninsula, 112 miles away. Naturally, her discoveries were coldly welcomed by archaeologists.



For them, the file is infected by the embarrassing proximity of Bermuda Triangle,Click + a nightmare for scientists.



Route de Bimini : on distingue bien les pierres taillées qui transparaissent sous la vase…


A Sunken City



In 2001, still in the same area, a submarine pocket robot equipped with a diving camera filmed structures aged of at least 6,000 years, pyramids and cubes crossed by streets like in a large urban center.



Echolocalisation sonar obtenue à la verticale de la structure pyramidale. On distingue une pyramide surmontée d'un temple, comme au Yucatan, à moins de 200 km…


La route de Bimini, une structure identifiée et datée de 12.000 BP

This sunken city would be located off the Guanahacabibes peninsula.East of Cuba The video shows "a structure 500 feet high and 1,000 feet wide", but it remains somewhat vague, and some people spoke of trickery. Other expeditions have been organized, but the evidence reported by previous expeditions are never corroborated on terrain, the ruins of temples disappear, the mystery deepens ... Should this be seen as an effect of the Bermuda Triangle?Click + Or should we blame too fertile imaginations?



La pyramide engloutie de Cuba : un des meilleurs clichés, pourtant pas très fameux…


Les mystérieux cercles de la péninsule de Guanahacabibes, à CubaIn 2003, a space programm, the Bimini Satellite Project, filmed a large circle on the seabed. Something concrete, something tangible, noted happily Greg and Lora Little who flew over the circle and made a high resolution digital video. They filmed several small circles "so clear that they seem to have been cut incisive." The circles are surrounded by thick walls. The large circle is raised by about a yard above the seafloor.





La chaussée submergée de Bimini, dite chaussée des géants. Voir la carte en haut de la page



There is something in that area, obviously. Several things. Enough to make us dream of Atlantis ... Regarding the builders, it is the most total mystery. Archaeologists contest their ancientness and speak of a civilization contemporary with Teotihuacan. We agree.



Pyramide de cristal, le prochain Indiana Jones ?



On the other hand, the ancientness of TeotihuacanSee Meso-America is very undervalued by the dominant archaeological creed. Teotihuacan is undoubtedly a pre-flood civilization: this ancient Atlantean capital city would be aged of more than 13,000 years. If the remains of Bimini are dated at the same time, what seems to be the case, then they are Atlantean.



L'Atlantide va-t-elle enfin émerger de la Mer Caraïbe ?



On this point too, it seems that Cayce was right.See Edgar Cayce

Atlantis has indeed reappeared near Bimini, in 1968 ...





















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I also believe it was a real place. But who to believe and to not believe.

I found this:

GO to the link for pictures:

http://eden-saga.com/en/340-edgar-ca...s-is-back.html
Thanks for the link real, some good pics there.

The Bimini Road photos reminds me of the Giants Causeway.
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I've always liked the theory that Atlantis was close to the west coast of Ireland
How about just Ireland itself?
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Thanks for the link real, some good pics there.

The Bimini Road photos reminds me of the Giants Causeway.
The Giant's Causeway, now there is an enigma wrapped up in mystery. They say its a natural formation, I'm not so sure?

The trouble with the theories that place Atlantis in Crete, Cyprus, America or Ireland (?) is... these places all still exist, Whereas, Atlantis sank beneath the ocean, without trace, in a single day and night, according to Plato, who heard of it from his aged grandfather Dropides, who was told about it by Critais, who heard it from Solon, who learned of it from Egyptian Priests at Sais, who said it was destroyed in remote antiquity, 9,000 before Plato's time.
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I found this also:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2510588/posts

Scientists find sunken islands in the Caribbean (Atlantis?)
www.thelocal.de ^ | 5-10-10 | Staff

Posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 2:31:31 PM by Red Badger

German scientists announced on Monday they believe they have discovered sunken islands in the Caribbean Ocean following a deep sea expedition in April.

During their six weeks in the waters north of Venezuela and west of the Antilles, the experts from the University of Greifswald analysed rock samples from depths of more than 1,000 metres.

The “Meteor” crew then used echo sounding to measure the ocean floor, an exercise which revealed significant differences in depth compared to current marine charts.

In fact, some of the underwater mountains listed on charts did not exist at all, while other areas thought to be flat showed rises of up to 1,000 metres, geologist Martin Meschede said.

The team's biggest surprise came from the samples they dredged from the ocean floor, which showed stones that could only have come from very shallow depths.

“We found remnants of coral, snails and algae that are only found in the light-flooded upper level of the sea,” Meschede said.

As a result of their findings, the scientists believe that the submarine mountains, whose summits now top out at between 800 and 1,000 metres below the surface, were volcanic islands in the Caribbean Sea some 40 to 50 million years ago.

The Greifswald group hypothesises that they were part of a reef that grew on a basalt platform and sank during a seismic event in the ocean’s crust.
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KEYWORDS: atlantis; catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; plato
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The search was focused in the red areas on this map of the ocean floor.
http://whoyoucallingaskeptic.files.w.../atlantis2.jpg


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And don't forget about Japan's Yonaguni & Dragon Triangle/Devil's Sea:
http://www.twotsi.com/pdata/APP-1278...s-triangle.jpg
http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/Plac...-Triangle.html

The "Devil's Sea" and the Dragon's Triangle located in the Philippine Sea off China's eastern coast is known for vanishing ships and seamen similar to the legendary Bermuda Triangle. While sensational theories for the mysterious disappearances speak of extraterrestrials and lost kingdoms under the sea wreaking havoc, others believe that the region displays the same magnetic anomalies as the Bermuda Triangle. The area, which can be marked off on a map by connecting Japan, Taiwan, and Yap Island, has become known as the Dragon's Triangle after a centuries-old Chinese myth. According to the myth, dragons live deep beneath the surface and their movement can suddenly churn up waves, whirlpools, thick fog, and sudden storms.

In 1950, Japanese officials declared the triangle a danger zone for shipping. In 1952, a research vessel, the Kaio Maru No. 5, sent by the Japanese government to investigate the troubled waters, vanished without a trace, and 22 crewmen and nine scientists were lost.

Like the Bermuda Triangle, the Devil's Triangle area may be volatile, subject to sudden weather changes and ocean swells not yet understood. Undersea volcanoes are believed to influence the area's sudden environmental changes. Others cite mikakunin hiko-buttai, Japanese for UFOs.





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YONAGUNI:






The Yonaguni Monument is a massive underwater rock formation off the coast of Yonaguni, the southernmost of the Ryukyu Islands, in Japan. There is a debate as to whether the site is completely natural, a natural site that has been modified, or a manmade artifact.[1][2]
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* 1 Discovery
* 2 Main features
* 3 Interpretations
o 3.1 Artificial structures
o 3.2 Natural formation
* 4 Media references
* 5 See also
* 6 References
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[edit] Discovery

The sea off Yonaguni is a popular diving location during the winter months due to its large population of hammerhead sharks. In 1987, while looking for a good place to observe the sharks, Kihachiro Aratake, a director of the Yonaguni-Cho Tourism Association, noticed some singular seabed formations resembling architectonic structures.[3] Shortly thereafter, a group of scientists directed by Masaaki Kimura of the University of the Ryūkyūs visited the formations. Kimura is a strong advocate of the view that the formations are artificial (manmade).[citation needed]

The formation has since become a relatively popular attraction for divers, in spite of the strong currents.[3] In 1997, Japanese industrialist Yasuo Watanabe sponsored an informal expedition comprising writers John Anthony West and Graham Hancock, photographer Santha Faiia, geologist Robert Schoch, a few sport divers and instructors, and a shooting crew for British Channel 4 and Discovery Channel. Another notable visitor was freediver Jacques Mayol, who wrote a book on his dives at Yonaguni.[4] A plaque in his honor was fixed to the undersea formations after his suicide in 2001.[citation needed]
[edit] Main features

The Monument consists of medium to very fine sandstones and mudstones of the Lower Miocene Yaeyama Group, deposited about 20 million years ago.[1] Most of the significant formations are connected to the underlying rock mass (as opposed to being assembled out of freestanding rocks).
The formation called "The Turtle"

The main feature (the "Monument" proper) is a rectangular formation measuring about 150 by 40 m (490 by 130 ft), and about 27 m (90 ft) tall; the top is about 5 m (16 ft) below sea level.[5][6][7][8] Most of its top surface consists of a complex series of terraces and broad steps, mostly rectangular, bounded by near vertical walls.

Some of its peculiar details include:

* Two closely spaced pillars which rise to within eight feet of the surface;
* The "Loop Road", a 5 m (16 ft) wide ledge that encircles the base of the formation on three sides;
* The "Totem", a stone column about 7 m (23 ft) tall;
* The "Dividing Wall", a straight wall 10 m (33 ft) long;
* The "Gosintai", an isolated boulder resting on a low platform;
* The "Turtle", a low star-shaped platform;
* The "Triangle Pool", a triangular depression with two large holes at its edge;
* The "Stage", an L-shaped rock.

[edit] Interpretations
[edit] Artificial structures

The flat parallel faces, sharp edges, and mostly right angles of the formation have led many people, including many of the underwater photographers and divers that have visited the site and some scholars, to the opinion that those features are man-made. These people include Gary and Cecilia Hagland and Tom Holden who went on underwater expeditions to study and photograph the site as well as Dr. Sean Kingsley a marine archaeologist. These features include a trench that has two internal 90° angles as well as the twin megaliths that appear to have been placed there. These megaliths have straight edges and square corners. However sea currents have been known to move large rocks on a regular basis. [2][5][9][10] Some of those who see the formations as being largely natural claim that they may have been modified by human hands.[1] The semi-regular terraces of the Monument have been compared to other examples of megalithic architecture, such as the rock-hewn terraces seen at Sacsayhuaman.[11] The formations have also been compared to the Okinawa Tomb, a rock-hewn structure of uncertain age.

Other evidence presented by those who favor an artificial origin include the two round holes (about 2 feet wide, according to photographs) on the edge of the Triangle Pool feature, and a straight row of smaller holes which have been interpreted as an abandoned attempt to split off a section of the rock by means of wedges, as in ancient quarries. Kimura believes that he has identified traces of drawings of animals and people engraved on the rocks, including a horse-like sign that he believes resembles a character from the Kaida script. Some have also interpreted a formation on the side of one of the monuments as a crude moai-like "face".

Supporters of artificial origin also argue that, while many of the features seen at Yonaguni are also seen in natural sandstone formations throughout the world, the concentration of so many peculiar formations in such a small area is highly unlikely. They also point to the relative absence of loose blocks on the flat areas of the formation, which would be expected if they were formed solely by natural erosion and fracturing.

If any part of the Monument was deliberately constructed or modified, that must have happened during the last Ice Age, when the sea level was much lower than it is today (e.g. 39 m (130 ft) lower around 10,000 years BCE). During the Ice Age, the East China Sea was a narrow bay opening to the ocean at today's Tokara Gap.[12] The Sea of Japan was an inland sea and there was no Yellow Sea; people and animals could walk into the Ryukyu peninsula from the continent. Therefore, Yonaguni was the southern end of a land bridge that connected it to Taiwan, Ryūkyū, Japan and Asia. This fact is underscored by a rock pillar in a now-submerged cave that has been interpreted as a fused stalactite-stalagmite pair, which could only form above water.

Kimura first estimated that this must be at least 10,000 years old (8,000 BCE) dating it to a time when it would have been above water.[9] In a report given to the 21st Pacific Science Congress in 2007 he revised this estimate and dated it to 2,000 to 3,000 years ago as the sea level then was close to current levels.[13]

The existence of an ancient stoneworking tradition at Yonaguni and other Ryukyu islands is demonstrated by some old tombs and several stone vessels of uncertain age.[1]
[edit] Natural formation

Some of those who have studied the formation, such as geologist Robert Schoch of Boston University, state that it is most likely a natural formation, possibly used and modified by humans in the past. Schoch observes that the sandstones that make up the Yonaguni formation "contain numerous well-defined, parallel bedding planes along which the layers easily separate. The rocks of this group are also criss-crossed by numerous sets of parallel and vertical (relative to the horizontal bedding planes of the rocks) joints and fractures. Yonaguni lies in an earthquake-prone region; such earthquakes tend to fracture the rocks in a regular manner."[1][14] He also observes that on the northeast coast of Yonaguni there are regular formations similar to those seen at the Monument.[1][15] Schoch also believes that the "drawings" identified by Kimura are natural scratches on the rocks.[14] This is also the view of John Anthony West.[3]

Patrick D. Nunn, Professor of Oceanic Geoscience at the University of the South Pacific, has studied these structures extensively and notes that the structures below the water continue above and are slate that "has been fashioned solely by natural processes" and that "there seems no reason to suppose that they are artificial."[16]

Other examples of natural formations with flat faces and sharp straight edges are the basalt columns of the Giant's Causeway and the natural staircase formation on Old Rag Mountain.[17]







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Japan's Ancient Underwater "Pyramid" Mystifies Scholars

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Submerged stone structures lying just below the waters off Yonaguni Jima are actually the ruins of a Japanese Atlantis—an ancient city sunk by an earthquake about 2,000 years ago.

That's the belief of Masaaki Kimura, a marine geologist at the University of the Ryukyus in Japan who has been diving at the site to measure and map its formations for more than 15 years.

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Each time he returns to the dive boat, Kimura said, he is more convinced than ever that below him rest the remains of a 5,000-year-old city.

"The largest structure looks like a complicated, monolithic, stepped pyramid that rises from a depth of 25 meters [82 feet]," said Kimura, who presented his latest theories about the site at a scientific conference in June.

But like other stories of sunken cities, Kimura's claims have attracted controversy.

"I'm not convinced that any of the major features or structures are manmade steps or terraces, but that they're all natural," said Robert Schoch, a professor of science and mathematics at Boston University who has dived at the site.

"It's basic geology and classic stratigraphy for sandstones, which tend to break along planes and give you these very straight edges, particularly in an area with lots of faults and tectonic activity."

And neither the Japanese government's Agency for Cultural Affairs nor the government of Okinawa Prefecture recognize the remains off Yonaguni as an important cultural property, said agency spokesperson Emiko Ishida.

Neither of the government groups has carried out research or preservation work on the sites, she added, instead leaving any such efforts to professors and other interested individuals.

Ruins Point

Yonaguni Jima is an island that lies near the southern tip of Japan's Ryukyu archipelago, about 75 miles (120 kilometers) off the eastern coast of Taiwan (see map).

A local diver first noticed the Yonaguni formations in 1986, after which a promontory on the island was unofficially renamed Iseki Hanto, or Ruins Point.

The district of Yonaguni officially owns the formations, and tourists and researchers can freely dive at the site.

Some experts believe that the structures could be all that's left of Mu, a fabled Pacific civilization rumored to have vanished beneath the waves.

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On hearing about the find, Kimura said, his initial impression was that the formations could be natural. But he changed his mind after his first dive.

"I think it's very difficult to explain away their origin as being purely natural, because of the vast amount of evidence of man's influence on the structures," he said.

(Related: "Pyramid in Bosnia—Huge Hoax or Colossal Find?" [May 12, 2006].)

For example, Kimura said, he has identified quarry marks in the stone, rudimentary characters etched onto carved faces, and rocks sculpted into the likenesses of animals.

"The characters and animal monuments in the water, which I have been able to partially recover in my laboratory, suggest the culture comes from the Asian continent," he said.

"One example I have described as an underwater sphinx resembles a Chinese or ancient Okinawan king."

(See pictures of the "Japanese Atlantis" formations.)

Whoever created the city, most of it apparently sank in one of the huge seismic events that this part of the Pacific Rim is famous for, Kimura said.

The world's largest recorded tsunami struck Yonaguni Jima in April 1771 with an estimated height of more than 131 feet (40 meters), he noted, so such a fate might also have befallen the ancient civilization.

Kimura said he has identified ten structures off Yonaguni and a further five related structures off the main island of Okinawa. In total the ruins cover an area spanning 984 feet by 492 feet (300 meters by 150 meters).

The structures include the ruins of a castle, a triumphal arch, five temples, and at least one large stadium, all of which are connected by roads and water channels and are partly shielded by what could be huge retaining walls.

Kimura believes the ruins date back to at least 5,000 years, based on the dates of stalactites found inside underwater caves that he says sank with the city.

And structures similar to the ruins sitting on the nearby coast have yielded charcoal dated to 1,600 years ago—a possible indication of ancient human inhabitants, Kimura added.

But more direct evidence of human involvement with the site has been harder to come by.

"Pottery and wood do not last on the bottom of the ocean, but we are interested in further research on a relief at the site that is apparently painted and resembles a cow," Kimura said.

"We want to determine the makeup of the paint. I would also like to carry out subsurface research."

Natural Forces

Toru Ouchi, an associate professor of seismology at Kobe University, supports Kimura's hypothesis.

Ouchi said that he has never seen tectonic activity having such an effect on a landscape either above or below the water.

"I've dived there as well and touched the pyramid," he said. "What Professor Kimura says is not exaggerated at all. It's easy to tell that those relics were not caused by earthquakes."

Boston University's Schoch, meanwhile, is just as certain that the Yonaguni formations are natural.

He suggests that holes in the rock, which Kimura believes were used to support posts, were merely created by underwater eddies scouring at depressions.

Lines of smaller holes were formed by marine creatures exploiting a seam in the rock, he said.

"The first time I dived there, I knew it was not artificial," Schoch said. "It's not as regular as many people claim, and the right angles and symmetry don't add up in many places."

He emphasizes that he is not accusing anyone of deliberately falsifying evidence.

But many of the photos tend to give a perfect view of the site, making the lines look as regular as possible, he said.

Schoch also says he has seen what Kimura believes to be renderings of animals and human faces at the site.

"Professor Kimura says he has seen some kind of writing or images, but they are just scratches on a rock that are natural," he said.

"He interprets them as being manmade, but I don't know where he's coming from."

But Kimura is undeterred by critics, adding that the new governor of Okinawa Prefecture and officials from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization have recently expressed interest in verifying the site.

"The best way to get a definitive answer about their origins is to keep going back and collecting more evidence," he continued.

"If I'd not had a chance to see these structures for myself, I might be skeptical as well."

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One of the greatest discoveries in the history of archaeology was made last summer, off Japan There, spread over an amazing 311 miles on the ocean floor, are the well-preserved remains of an ancient city. Or at the very least, a number of closely related sites.

In the waters around Okinawa and beyond to the small island of Yonaguni, divers located eight separate locations beginning in March 1995. That first sighting was equivocal - a provocative, squared structure, so encrusted with coral that its manmade identity was uncertain. Then, as recently as the summer of 1996, a sports diver accidentally discovered a huge, angular platform about 40 feet below the surface, off the southwestern shore of Okinawa. The feature’s artificial provenance was beyond question. Widening their search, teams of more divers found another, different monument nearby. Then another, and another. They beheld long streets, grand boulevards, majestic staircases, magnificent archways, enormous blocks of perfectly cut and fitted stone - all harmoniously welded together in a linear architecture unlike anything they had ever seen before.

In the following weeks and months, Japan’s archaeological community joined the feeding-frenzy of discovery. Trained professionals formed a healthy alliance with the enthusiasts who first made the find. In a progressive spirit of mutual respect an working alliance, academics and amateurs joined forces to set an example of cooperation for the rest of the world. Their common cause soon bore rich fruit. In september, not far from the shore of the island of Yonaguni, more then 300 airline miles south from Okinawa, they found a gigantic, pyramidal structure in 100 feet of water. In what appeared to be a ceremonial center of broad promenades and flanking pylons, the gargantuan building measures 240 feet long.

Exceptionally clear sub-surface clarity, with 100 foot visibility a common factor, allowed for thorough photographic documentation, both still photography and video. These images provided the basis of japan’s leading headlines for more than a year. Yet, not a word about the Okinawa discovery reached the US public, until the magazine, “Ancient American” broke the news last spring. Since that scoop, only the CNN network televised a report about Japan’s underwater city. Nothing about it has been mentioned in any of the nation’s other archaeology publications, not even in any of our daily newspapers. One would imagine that such a mind-boggling find would be the most exciting piece of news an archaeologist could possibly hope to learn. Even so, outside of the “Ancient American” and CNN’s single report, the pall of silence covering all the facts about Okinawa’s structures screens them from view more effectively then their location at the bottom of the sea. Why? How can this appalling neglect persist in the face of a discovery of such unparalleled magnitude? At the risk of accusations of paranoia, one might conclude that a real conspiracy of managed information dominates America’s well-springs of public knowledge.

Frank Joseph - “Ancient American”

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Divers Find World's Oldest Building

by Trushar Barot

A STRUCTURE thought to be the world's oldest building, nearly twice the age of the great pyramids of Egypt, has been discovered. The rectangular stone ziggurat under the sea off the coast of Japan could be the first evidence of a previously unknown Stone Age civilisation, say archeologists.

The monument is 600ft wide and 90ft high and has been dated to at least 8000BC. The oldest pyramid in Egypt, the Step Pyramid at Saqqara, was constructed more than 5,000 years later.

The structure off Yonaguni, a small island southwest of Okinawa, was first discovered 75ft underwater by scuba divers 10 years ago and locals believed it was a natural phenomenon.

Professor Masaki Kimura, a geologist at Ryukyu University in Okinawa, was the first scientist to investigate the site and has concluded that the mysterious five-layer structure was man-made. "The object has not been manufactured by nature. If that had been the case, one would expect debris from erosion to have collected around the site, but there are no rock fragments there," he said.

The discovery of what appears to be a road surrounding the building was further evidence that the structure was made by humans, he added.

Robert Schoch, professor of geology at Boston University, dived at the site last month. "It basically looks like a series of huge steps, each about a metre high. Essentially, it's a cliff face like the side of a stepped pyramid. It's a very interesting structure," he said. "It's possible that natural water erosion combined with the process of cracked rocks splitting created such a structure, but I haven't come across such processes creating a structure as sharp as this."

Further evidence that the structure is the work of humans came with the discovery of smaller underwater stone mounds nearby. Like the main building, these mini-ziggurats are made of stepped slabs and are about 10m wide and 2m high.

Kimura said it was too early to know who built the monument or its purpose. "The structure could be an ancient religious shrine, possibly celebrating an ancient deity resembling the god Nirai-Kanai, whom locals say gave happiness to the people of Okinawa from beyond the sea. This could be evidence of a new culture as there are no records of a people intelligent enough to have built such a monument 10,000 years ago," he said.

"This could only have been done by a people with a high degree of technology, probably coming from the Asian continent, where the oldest civilisations originate. There would have to have been some sort of machinery involved to have created such a huge structure."

Teruaki Ishii, professor of geology at Tokyo University, said the structure dated back to at least 8000BC when the land on which it was constructed was submerged at the end of the last ice age. "I hope this site is artificial as it would be very exciting. But at this time I feel it is too early to say. I think the structure could be natural, but part of it may have been made," he said.

The first signs of civilisation in Japan are traced to the Neolithic period around 9000BC. The people at this time lived as hunters and food- gatherers. There is nothing in the archeological record to suggest the presence of a culture advanced enough to have built a structure like the ziggurat.

British archeologists are, however, cautiously enthusiastic about the discovery which will be featured this summer in a Channel 4 documentary.

Jim Mower, an archeologist at University College London, said: "If it is confirmed that the site is as old as 10,000 years and is man-made, then this is going to change an awful lot of the previous thinking on southeast Asian history. It would put the people who made the monument on a par with the ancient civilisation of Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley."

HAVE THESE ARTIFACTS BEEN DESTROYED?

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Magnitude 7.7 quake hits Okinawa, causes minor tsunamis

Yonaguni Island nearest to underwater pyramids at: 123 E 24.30 N

Quake: 125 E 22.40N

Kyodo News Service

TOKYO, May 4 (Kyodo) - An earthquake of an estimated magnitude 7.7 on the open-ended Richter scale jolted Okinawa Prefecture, southwestern Japan, on Monday morning, causing some tsunamis along the coasts of the island prefecture, the Meteorological Agency said.

A number of tourists were visiting the subtropical islands for the Golden Week holidays, but police and coast guard have not received reports of casualties or damage from the temblor or tidal waves.

The agency lifted a tsunami or tidal wave warning at 11:15 a.m., two and a half hours after it was issued along the coasts of the islands affected by the quake, as well as along the coasts of Osaka and Wakayama prefectures in western Japan and those of Kyushu and Shikoku -- two of Japan's four main islands.

The quake occurred around 8:30 a.m. and registered 3 on the Japanese intensity scale of 7 on Iriomotejima, Ishigakijima, Taramajima, Yonagunijima and Miyakojima islands, according to the agency.

Its focus was in the Pacific, about 20 kilometers below the seabed about 260 km southeast of Ishigakijima, the agency said.

''I initially thought it was a fire'' because the alarm system was activated after the quake jolted the region, said Takaharu Shimoji, a hotel employee in Miyakojima Island said.

Kenyu Kawamitsu, a local fishery cooperative employee, said the quake lasted about two minutes.

After 9 a.m., a tidal wave less than 10 centimeters high reached Ishigakijima and tsunamis of several cm arrived in Yonagunijima and Miyakojima and the Okinawa prefectural capital of Naha, the agency said.

One plate in the earth's crust has been subducting another at this location, causing major quakes, said Megumi Mizoue, professor emeritus of seismology at the University of Tokyo.

Separately, a series of moderate quakes hit the Izu Peninsula, southwest of Tokyo, in the morning.

Ten quakes that could be felt, measuring an estimated 2.7 to 4.0 on the Richter scale, occurred between 6:39 a.m. and 8:16 a.m. Their focuses were some 10 km or less below the seabed off the east coast of the peninsula, the agency said.

The largest of the quakes took place around 6:44 a.m., measuring 3 on the Japanese scale in Ito, Shizuoka Prefecture, the agency said.

Many more temblors that could not be felt occurred on the peninsula -- more than 120 between 7 a.m. and 8 a.m. and 13 between 8 a.m. and 2 p.m.

The peninsula, dotted with hot spring resorts, has been hit by a new series of earthquakes since April 20. It experienced a number of fairly strong quakes in March last year.

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