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 04-12-2013, 10:50 PM #361 kungfufan Senior Member   Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 214 Likes: 2 (2 Posts) what about physical time....we all have a expiration date?
 05-12-2013, 12:23 AM #362 heartbeatsalute Senior Member   Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: In the Universe Posts: 15,927 Likes: 43 (43 Posts) "THE BROTHERHOOD HAS TUNED THE HUMAN CONCIOUSNESS INTO A FALSE PERSPECTIVE OF TIME, AND IN DOING SO , THEY HAVE DISCONNECTED HUMANITY FROM THE REST OF CREATION WHICH OPERATES ON A DIFFERENT VERSION OF TIME. THUS HUMANITY IS LIVING ITS LIFE OUT OF SYNCRONICITY WITH THE UNIVERSE. NO WONDER THERE'S SO MUCH IMBALANCE. IN TRUTH THERE IS NO TIME. IT IS ONLY OUR PERCEPTION OF TIME,THAT MAKE EVENTS APPEAR TO BE HAPPENING IN A LINEAR TIME LINE. " David Icke in The Biggest Secret __________________ The belief that society exists has sabotaged every effort to change mankind. It is the reason why revolutions have failed. It is about a totally different revolution: the revolution in the heart of the individual. Last edited by heartbeatsalute; 05-12-2013 at 01:27 AM.
 05-12-2013, 06:49 PM #363 kungfufan Senior Member   Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 214 Likes: 2 (2 Posts) time isnt a illusion and to say so is false. Well, I can shed some light to your understanding of the subject and it is complicated - I'll try and keep the math at a minimum. It appears that it is Global Time which doesn't exist within General Relativity. We get some idea that this is the case when we quantize the General Relativistic equations describing the universe; the result is the timelessness of relativity - the time derivative of the Hamiltonian which describes the universe effectively is zero H \psi = 0 On the right handside, it should look like the normal Schrodinger equation, but it doesn't end up this way, instead we are told that this translates as there being no cosmological time. Pmb is quite correct, stating that changes are what we use to measure time; time however is an absraction, it isn't actually a real artefact of the world. Time is merely a tool an intelligent recording device uses to order chronological happenings. Time however isn't physical nor is it even treated in quantum mechanics as an observable or even better yet, it has no non-trivial operator
07-12-2013, 11:03 AM   #364
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 Originally Posted by kungfufan time isnt a illusion and to say so is false. Well, I can shed some light to your understanding of the subject and it is complicated - I'll try and keep the math at a minimum. It appears that it is Global Time which doesn't exist within General Relativity. We get some idea that this is the case when we quantize the General Relativistic equations describing the universe; the result is the timelessness of relativity - the time derivative of the Hamiltonian which describes the universe effectively is zero H \psi = 0 On the right handside, it should look like the normal Schrodinger equation, but it doesn't end up this way, instead we are told that this translates as there being no cosmological time. Pmb is quite correct, stating that changes are what we use to measure time; time however is an absraction, it isn't actually a real artefact of the world. Time is merely a tool an intelligent recording device uses to order chronological happenings. Time however isn't physical nor is it even treated in quantum mechanics as an observable or even better yet, it has no non-trivial operator
Nice post. That kinda my understanding,that time is abstract, its a measurement of change, ie from one state to another. I think this is where relativity comes into play, like a photon never changes state fe "spin" making time meaningless from that perspective- light speed, meaning from that reference its creation and absorption are simultaneous, or to put another way, it simultaneous is at point A and B only to an observer does it travel any distance. To me tho the absence of subjective time, points at absence of separateness (for lack of a better word). This is expressed in terms like "space-time" and to a large extent philosophies, such as Buddhism, that describe universal consciousness. Quantum mechanics, ie the double split experiment or the illogicality of Schrodinger's cat, tells us that the observer is part of the experiment. IMO separateness is the illusion
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 07-12-2013, 02:11 PM #365 mamnoon Inactive   Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 152 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) It's just the rate at which we perceive the reaction of the elements around us. Of course it's real. It's just as real as anything else that is consistent. Everyone experiences time differently. Bigger people vs smaller people, bigger animals vs smaller animals. Timing of the neurological compared to size of the object. The more the object is in proportion with you, the more 'steady' the object will 'react' to 'time' in your perception. Pouring some dye in an '8 oz glass of water' compared to pouring some dye into an '8 gallon' container. Sure, it's fabricated, but it doesn't make it fake. It's universal, and it's consistent (however consistency varies for each time perceiving organism/object). I believe you can say time isn't real all you want, but it's still there. You can say it's all an illusion, but even an illusion is fabricated from something. Even if it's Illusory time, it still exists in the illusion.
 07-12-2013, 02:14 PM #366 grandmasterp Banned   Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The SkegVegas Coast Posts: 31,797 Likes: 2,580 (1,693 Posts) It's 3-15 pm on a Saturday afternoon here. HTH
07-12-2013, 10:32 PM   #367
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 Originally Posted by grandmasterp It's 3-15 pm on a Saturday afternoon here. HTH
The time never remains the same, and therefore I think that "time" has no connection with TRUTH.

Truth never changes.

Btw it's 11.32pm here
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08-12-2013, 06:18 AM   #368
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 Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute "THE BROTHERHOOD HAS TUNED THE HUMAN CONCIOUSNESS INTO A FALSE PERSPECTIVE OF TIME, AND IN DOING SO , THEY HAVE DISCONNECTED HUMANITY FROM THE REST OF CREATION WHICH OPERATES ON A DIFFERENT VERSION OF TIME. THUS HUMANITY IS LIVING ITS LIFE OUT OF SYNCRONICITY WITH THE UNIVERSE. NO WONDER THERE'S SO MUCH IMBALANCE. IN TRUTH THERE IS NO TIME. IT IS ONLY OUR PERCEPTION OF TIME,THAT MAKE EVENTS APPEAR TO BE HAPPENING IN A LINEAR TIME LINE. " David Icke in The Biggest Secret
Everything is happening all at once. But how do we get outta of the PERCEPTION of time and that we are aging and dying etc?? Once we get to 5D. That is the answer.

Its almost 1:30am here. I just happened to gawk my head at the clock a few minutes ago and it was 1:11.

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10-12-2013, 12:34 AM   #369
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 Originally Posted by mamnoon It's just the rate at which we perceive the reaction of the elements around us. Of course it's real. It's just as real as anything else that is consistent. Everyone experiences time differently. Bigger people vs smaller people, bigger animals vs smaller animals. Timing of the neurological compared to size of the object. The more the object is in proportion with you, the more 'steady' the object will 'react' to 'time' in your perception. Pouring some dye in an '8 oz glass of water' compared to pouring some dye into an '8 gallon' container. Sure, it's fabricated, but it doesn't make it fake. It's universal, and it's consistent (however consistency varies for each time perceiving organism/object). I believe you can say time isn't real all you want, but it's still there. You can say it's all an illusion, but even an illusion is fabricated from something. Even if it's Illusory time, it still exists in the illusion.
Time is man-made. We feel time is passing because our body is growing old and will eventually die, but clock time or Shall we say Utilitarian time, clock time remains. Utilitarian time exists, it's a way of society getting organized.

Night and day exist, because of Eath's rotation, but that doesn't mean the sun has dissapeared because everything is dark until next morning.

Utilitarian time will exist using rotation, so we can work while there is light, and sleep while there is night, something artificial.

Time as such, does not exist.

This utilitarian time will no longer exist when there are no longer human beings
on this planet.

Feeling things are in a way, doesn't make them real.
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 02-07-2014, 01:17 AM #370 heartbeatsalute Senior Member   Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: In the Universe Posts: 15,927 Likes: 43 (43 Posts) __________________ The belief that society exists has sabotaged every effort to change mankind. It is the reason why revolutions have failed. It is about a totally different revolution: the revolution in the heart of the individual.
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Time is now. I like the idea of kairos time, too. The moment when it feels right to take action. Intuition can't be measured. This is why I quit working at "jobs".

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