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Old 09-02-2011, 09:38 AM   #41
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In this instance you do.
Because there won't be any "collapse", the economic takedown is deliberate, there's evidence for it all over the place
They haven't lost control of anything, the public have lost control of their minds though lol. They'll be ready to accept any "solution" come the 11th hour and the bankers have it in the form of 100% digital, removal of fractional reserve banking and complete removal of oversight. They can dick with the money as much as they like then and have their precious EU rise like a phoenix from the ashes and run the same trick on the rest of the world as they start to go down the plughole.

You can pray for collapse all you like, maybe they will make a monumental fuck up of things against all odds. Call me cynical but it's about as likely as the webbot getting something right lol.
Firstly, if the money goes all digital you can guarantee a new black market currency will emerge because no matter what TPTB claim we ALL partake of a little black-marketeering now and then. Beyond that, I think you have bought into the NWO's own propaganda on their omnpotence. Every empire claimed it would never fall...and they all did, without exception.

I.T. is not infallble god-like powers.
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Old 09-02-2011, 09:42 AM   #42
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Firstly, if the money goes all digital you can guarantee a new black market currency will emerge because no matter what TPTB claim we ALL partake of a little black-marketeering now and then. Beyond that, I think you have bought into the NWO's own propaganda on their omnpotence. Every empire claimed it would never fall...and they all did, without exception.

I.T. is not infallble god-like powers.
They'll allow a black market economy for a while.
When the times right they'll use it to round up shitloads of cims, drug dealers etc with all the evidence gathered and it'll strengthen the idea of digital even more. Theft will become history. Resistance will be futile lol.
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Old 09-02-2011, 09:47 AM   #43
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They'll allow a black market economy for a while.
When the times right they'll use it to round up shitloads of cims, drug dealers etc with all the evidence gathered and it'll strengthen the idea of digital even more. Theft will become history. Resistance will be futile lol.
In their (capitalist wet) dreams. Its the flipside of what they are promoting. They want a world where everyone is an atomised individual...but atomised individuals will break the rules for private advantage if they can get away with it (and will look for ways to do so). That's the real irony. They are breeding a world of selfish loveless bastards (just like themselves) and then think they wont have 6/9 billion people just as grasping as they are. LMAO.
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Old 09-02-2011, 09:56 AM   #44
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In their (capitalist wet) dreams. Its the flipside of what they are promoting. They want a world where everyone is an atomised individual...but atomised individuals will break the rules for private advantage if they can get away with it (and will look for ways to do so). That's the real irony. They are breeding a world of selfish loveless bastards (just like themselves) and then think they wont have 6/9 billion people just as grasping as they are. LMAO.
Yep, thats why they track and tag the cattle before the cull.
I'm convinced it'll come after ubiquitous RFID and not until. They want clean assured destruction with minimal effort and maximum effect.
They run everything like a frickin business.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:31 PM   #45
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when i watched this new zeitgeist film i thought it was going to be about breaking down peoples pre-concieved notions and social conditioning.

only to find it wanted to end it all by saying new technology will save us, WTF.
i enjoyed the previous two, but its like they made those just to rope us in so we'd go with this new one without realizing that its simply adding more concrete and techno crap on top of our existing problem, we dont need a techno revolution to save us, this is a new world order advert for people like us, we need people to fucking change, not the technology were using, the focus is misleading garbage, we need to focus on realistic local community based futures, not a brave new world.. what IS venus project anyway, as a free minded individual im sorry but i dont identify with "venus" or "project" at all.

i thought i did a while back but we need to be a little bit more concious of what were being sold, in these times.. it does turn into a NEW WORLD ORDER ADVERTISEMENT aimed at alternative minded crowds, come on..
people dont be so quick to get sucked into advanced promises and distractions we gotta focus on building greater human relations the most.
I agree, I thought it would be a deep psychological study. His first film was something many of us who've read Icke over the years new, I just never wanted to bring it up into conversation because many of my friends are religious. I remember a close friend saw Zeitgeist and asked me to tell him it wasn't true. Breaking down the belief system in his first film is part of a communist/socialist doctrine. Now, his advice of 'moving forward' is to live in a circular town, which is nothing more than a box, where it seems even easier to control people who have no identity and "share" everything. Understanding how things work in the financial world was the best part, along with the mechanized society; first forty-five minutes is part common-sense (to me anyway) and anything you learned in psych101. He mentions that there is no heirarchy system e.g., NWO, Illuminati; meanwhile, the guy jacked virtually everything Jordan Maxwell has been saying (religion wise) in his first film but neglects to consider that everything is controlled by a hidden hand. A tracking system? Did you notice the overt promotion of scantron devices to monitor EVERYTHING we consume? I saw it as nothing more than a giant socialist/communist world where no one has the chance to truly be free. Those type of societies he presents would only lead to built up angst that would lead to a revolution; he says cross country trade is bad? I don't want olive oil from the Stew Leonards, I want it from Europe. You know why? It tastes better and they sort of invented the idea. I'm disappointed; it shows me the guy didn't really think things through since his first film. I'd also like to know who is backing him up because he virtually destroys religion yet barely anyone knows his real name? Every Christian website would have all his information and a virtual expose of him, at the minimum.

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Old 09-02-2011, 01:40 PM   #46
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I agree, I thought it would be a deep psychological study. His first film was something many of us who've read Icke over the years new, I just never wanted to bring it up into conversation because many of my friends are religious. I remember a close friend saw Zeitgeist and asked me to tell him it wasn't true. Breaking down the belief system in his first film is part of a communist/socialist doctrine. Now, his advice of 'moving forward' is to live in a circular town, which is nothing more than a box, where it seems even easier to control people who have no identity and "share" everything. Understanding how things work in the financial world was the best part, along with the mechanized society; first forty-five minutes is part common-sense (to me anyway) and anything you learned in psych101. He mentions that there is no heirarchy system e.g., NWO, Illuminati; meanwhile, the guy jacked virtually everything Jordan Maxwell has been saying (religion wise) in his first film but neglects to consider that everything is controlled by a hidden hand. A tracking system? Did you notice the overt promotion of scantron devices to monitor EVERYTHING we consume? I saw it as nothing more than a giant socialist/communist world where no one has the chance to truly be free. Those type of societies he presents would only lead to built up angst that would lead to a revolution; he says cross country trade is bad? I don't want olive oil from the Stew Leonards, I want it from Europe. You know why? It tastes better and they sort of invented the idea. I'm disappointed; it shows me the guy didn't really think things through since his first film. I'd also like to know who is backing him up because he virtually destroys religion yet barely anyone knows his real name? Every Christian website would have all his information and a virtual expose of him, at the minimum.
You're making the same mistake the rest have.
There probably wouldn't be any new circular cities for a hell of a long time, if at all.
The technology idea is simply there to manage even larger populations easily without the hassles we have now or talk of having to depopulate as per anarcho-capitalist or anarcho-primitivist ideas.
It'll be pretty much business as per usual for a long time with it if adopted and it'll go the way the public wants not what Fresco or PJ wants as per the centralised wiki idea that they're mulling over atm.

Its weak point is actually simply the removal of money.
People won't do it, ergo you're f*cked.
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Old 09-02-2011, 04:11 PM   #47
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It puzzles me that people would rather carry on scratching around in dirt and digging out the back of the sofa to try and gain a few quid just to keep the wolf from the door, when we have a viable alternative that wouldn't mean more than half of your life is wasted often doing petty, meaningless and mundane jobs.
Give people what they want and take a lot of the stress out of peoples lives... I mean.. what more could we be asking for?

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It puzzles me that people would rather carry on scratching around in dirt and digging out the back of the sofa to try and gain a few quid just to keep the wolf from the door, when we have a viable alternative that wouldn't mean more than half of your life is wasted often doing petty, meaningless and mundane jobs.
Give people what they want and take a lot of the stress out of peoples lives... I mean.. what more could we be asking for?

Computer: Good morning Abominable, how can I help you today?
Me: I would like the use of the worlds best electric guitar and amp for 2 weeks.
Computer: No problem Abominable, it will arrive automatically at the door within the next 5 minutes.
Me: Thanks machine. I'm just off for a quick wank, could you prepare me a chip barm in the meantime?
Computer: You should try and eat more healthily Abominable, and mind you don't get hair growing on your palms.
Me: Do as I tell you machine, or I will switch you off for 30 mins.
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:38 PM   #49
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Breaking down the belief system in his first film is part of a communist/socialist doctrine.
Not really. Breaking down a belief system is important if the persons belief is based on false premises.

Standard conspiracy theory stuff: Break down the belief in Mainstream media.


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Now, his advice of 'moving forward' is to live in a circular town, which is nothing more than a box, where it seems even easier to control people who have no identity and "share" everything. .
One of the major parts of the Venus Project (particularly explained in orientation) is the idea of free travel. Not only would the circular town not be a box, but you would be free to move around. Eventually, you would be able to move house every week...if you wanted to.

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meanwhile, the guy jacked virtually everything Jordan Maxwell has been saying (religion wise) in his first film
Can you blame him, he was trying to make a documentary?

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A tracking system? Did you notice the overt promotion of scantron devices to monitor EVERYTHING we consume? I saw it as nothing more than a giant socialist/communist world where no one has the chance to truly be free.
Although it may seem intimidating. Monitoring what we consume is essential. The only reason we have any kind of shortage anywhere is because of wasteful use of resources. Ok, granted you would be limited to what you can have, because there are limits. But I fail to see how this is a bad thing. There is no society which can achieve absolute freedom, its impossible.

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he says cross country trade is bad? I don't want olive oil from the Stew Leonards, I want it from Europe. You know why? It tastes better and they sort of invented the idea.
I agree to some points. There are certain pleasures that would be nice, cultural ones. But ultimately, it's a waste of resources to transport something half way across the planet.
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I agree to some points. There are certain pleasures that would be nice, cultural ones. But ultimately, it's a waste of resources to transport something half way across the planet.
Again, outside the box thinking can sort that. Whats wrong with growing all sorts of stuff locally if its possible to create an environment to do so?
It would probably use less energy than transporting it would it not?

Theres always more than 1 way to skin a cat so to speak and thats how we're going to have to think, it's what TVP is all about basically.
ie money doesn't matter anymore, it's simply about whats best for us and the environment as a whole. We're just not used to thinking like that at all normally. Kids born into such a system would be able to come up with radical ideas.
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Old 10-02-2011, 05:45 AM   #51
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yeah whose gonna contract and build this fantastic brave new world for us?
whose gonna set up these all seeing technological cataloging equipments?

You? Me?
RAND CORP?

the world we live in NOW,the way its all set up and run is by the elite.
we live in THEIR world built by them right NOW
this venus project is just a fucking add on.. its not human at all.
humans aint done shit for a long time..on their own, for themselves, that's the point this is were we are heading and vying for. INDEPENDENCE.


even if it means going back to nature and farming for your family and living locally, thats all humans have, without being handed out some "society" from these elite families.


we need to step back, and out, in order to move forward.
we want to exit this matrix, not add to it.


any more society IS a new world order
less society and more community is a step forward AND a step back
both good, both the same thing for MAN.
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In the Sixties we knew this! that's why we tried to have a Counter Culture an build Communes so as we could introduce an out of the Box way of life, it still has its repercussions felt now!
There are many people who Build there own Homes an live off the Land an Im one of them.

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yeah whose gonna contract and build this fantastic brave new world for us?
whose gonna set up these all seeing technological cataloging equipments?

You? Me?
RAND CORP?
Its meant to be us, not corporations, there won't be any corporations or any govt if TVP went ahead.
It won't happen though. Apathetic people like yourself won't allow it.
You want your nano chip instead. Or perhaps some massive cull so you can crawl out of a bunker afterwards lol.
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You want your nano chip instead. Or perhaps some massive cull so you can crawl out of a bunker afterwards lol.
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sorry brother i dont recall saying that at all..

you kno it lol.

you seem to be all or nothing in reguards to this venus thing..
man jus cuz "venus" might not pan out doesnt mean we all wont..

it sounds like the possible negative timeline of our future has maybe turned you a little bitter, daunted? cheer up man. focus on positivity, unless you dont wish to materialize that for yourself and others..

just because i dont think peter joseph is gonna save us like you seem to
doesnt mean i wish to be branded with RFID..your putting your own alternatives into my mouth to suit your grasp on our options of reality.
cmon,

there are other options friend..infinite amounts.

not just your few.
which i think YOU believe in, hung up on, concious or sub conciously.
do you have a bunker? want one?

stop the hand out, men may have to break up around the world into smaller groups until they learn what matters most from the challenges starting to arise right now and unite again one day, together. as true men.

bunker or no bunker, we gotta work together.
some of moving forwards ideas are okay, but we must rely on ourselves,
locals, nobodys, everybody, young n old, heroes, recluses.

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..& off the record peter joseph looks like rockefellers 200th cousin.
so maybe there will be a venus project afterall..lol
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sorry brother i dont recall saying that at all..

you kno it lol.

you seem to be all or nothing in reguards to this venus thing..
man jus cuz "venus" might not pan out doesnt mean we all wont..

it sounds like the possible negative timeline of our future has maybe turned you a little bitter, daunted? cheer up man. focus on positivity, unless you dont wish to materialize that for yourself and others..

just because i dont think peter joseph is gonna save us like you seem to
doesnt mean i wish to be branded with RFID..your putting your own alternatives into my mouth to suit your grasp on our options of reality.
cmon,

there are other options friend..infinite amounts.

not just your few.
which i think YOU believe in, hung up on, concious or sub conciously.
do you have a bunker? want one?

stop the hand out, men may have to break up around the world into smaller groups until they learn what matters most from the challenges starting to arise right now and unite again one day, together. as true men.

bunker or no bunker, we gotta work together.
some of moving forwards ideas are okay, but we must rely on ourselves,
locals, nobodys, everybody, young n old, heroes, recluses.

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Its whats going to happen if you do nothing about it.
Working together is what TVP is all about, like I said earlier, no-one will do it though. They won't abandon money so they'll end up getting whats coming to them by default.
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there may be many people willing to continue living a falsified reality resembling the shit were in now, BUT, not everyone.

maybe this is judgment day

they operate by taking tiny steps so the masses don't realize where they're being led to, but if this whole one world thing is attempted, its still way too early & obvious, the transition will be too rough for most people not to recognize whats up, that in their very attempt for a nwo, it just may be what fucks them up, risking drastically malevolent exposure, they'd need more time and more stepping stones for the whole world to be led into this any time soon.

picture a cat stalking a bird..slowly..step by step..if even ONE step is too obvious, the bird flies away..free.
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If you read their own forums you'll find that growing hemp is in there along with a lot of other ideas.
In fact there is a lot of discussion about adding hemp in people's lifestyles. Like using it as biodegradable material for wounds, as well as making clothes out of it, which are more endurable, economic, and natural (meaning no irritation or allergies like with synthetic material). Lots and lots more.
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Yes, its about the top of the bell curve and diminishing returns.... we will all be dead long before we have burned it all. By dead I mean extinct, not old age

I think the "problem" with peak Oil is partly that it gets rejected by a knee jerk reaction (not something to worry about)... which is a reaction to it being used to scare the pants off people (Mike Ruppert is guilty of this)... but that has been done to try and get peoples attention

It's exactly the same pattern with global warming/climate change

And the tragedy here is that rather than powerful drivers for social change, like Rob Hopkins has tried to use them with Transition Towns, they are weak drivers because they are both symptoms, not causes

The actual disease is human unconsciousness...

We HAVE to know ourselves!

The survival of the species DOES depend on that
Um ... oil runs in cycles. Or I could say, should. If we go to other forms of energy and use them for half a millennium, enough biological waste will turn into oil for the next few centuries where we could use it.

CO2 emissions are not of concern. We contribute barely 1% to the natural cycles the Earth itself replenishes CO2 in the atmosphere. While we would be using different forms of energy, the Earth would clear most of the CO2 out. If we take ourselves out of the equation, after each carbon dioxide rise in history, there is afterwards rapid increase of oxygen.

PS: That is to say, this last carbon dioxide cycle is a bit strange. More lengthier and damaging than most, which given it appears around the same period where a lot of UFO activity is registered, I personally think its deliberate.
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Um ... oil runs in cycles. Or I could say, should. If we go to other forms of energy and use them for half a millennium, enough biological waste will turn into oil for the next few centuries where we could use it.
But not to the tune of current world consumption: 90,000,000 barrels a day

Yes, Ninety Million
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