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Old 18-04-2013, 03:04 AM   #62721
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And The Girl ?

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Old 18-04-2013, 03:05 AM   #62722
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How Dare Councillor Fay !?

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Old 18-04-2013, 03:06 AM   #62723
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Just “Bad Habits”

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Old 18-04-2013, 03:07 AM   #62724
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How “Allegations”…

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Old 18-04-2013, 03:07 AM   #62725
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…Become “Unfounded Allegations”

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Old 18-04-2013, 03:11 AM   #62726
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MP Sir Peter Bottomley warns of the dangers of legislating on the media.

My family has had bad experiences with the hard end of the press when certain media got it wrong whether by mistake or otherwise. I have sued on occasion and won four libel cases against newspapers.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/mediapolicypr...ing-the-press/

Manuel Barca QC has represented Bottomley. Barca specialises in defamation and libel amongst other such matters

http://www.onebrickcourt.com/barrist...barristerid=18

Have read the last 3 posts with interest.
Unsure which of the reported details in that last article were these ‘unfounded allegations’, the time, the format of the meeting, the venue ….and the police restricted their comments to time, manner and place. No mention of dogs and phone calls.

Reported by the Guardian in 1990, details on Op. Greenlight
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/o...hildrens-home/

I have no idea if Peter Bottomley took legal action, I’m afraid.
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Old 18-04-2013, 03:55 AM   #62727
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Wako seige ended april 19th 1993
oklahoma bomb april 19th 1995
Boston bomb few days ago
Explosion at fertilizer plant wako april 18th 2013.

coinkidence ?
Satanic calendar anyone ?

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Old 18-04-2013, 04:14 AM   #62728
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elm guest list.

Just because it hasn't been done - and the photos are not all transcribed- (wonder what happened to that enthusiastic team?) i'm trawling thro all the names that i can find - just to see what information is out there - and if any of it links in.

E.g

cecil barbaro - walton on thames (very near weybridge - kitty and co)

interestingly i cam upon this:

Cecil george barbaro, comm vol working with surrey police. For serv to the community in surrey.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1417...r-honours.html

mbe 2002 honours list .


services to the community................. Wonder what those were?
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elm again

document 23

(24 duplicate)
http://postimage.org/image/6sm9ifvhf/
booked 19th june 82
randy lock retired
riton solicitor paulton from north england same room 19th june
fox


what if riton - was more correctly spelled as righton?

given the spellings are mostly phonetic - would this be an unreasonable conjecture?
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thx. may well take you up on the offer - just have a number of names to trawl thro first.

Like:

mr manning - described as social worker - paddington.

In another of those ''same names keep cropping up'' way - manning was the name of the abuser in the victoria climbie murder case in 2000. Manning was accused of sexually abusing victoria -then that allegation was withdrawn.

However the manning murderer of victoria climbie was apparently a bus driver.

Paddington, as a location, is common to the name mannings in both these instances.
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booked on night of raid 19-6-92
1)
randy lock – retired
mr ritton – solicitor from north england
mr fox
3) (sic)
mr granger – (rent boy)
mr manning – r s w westminster at ch in paddington
4)
evans – worked as hotel cleaner (male prostitute)
mr paull – unemployed (male prostitute)
mr ? – gay student from germany
5)
mr hall


http://w848977.blob1.ge.tt/streams/2...&type=download
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elm again

document 23

(24 duplicate)
http://postimage.org/image/6sm9ifvhf/
booked 19th june 82
randy lock retired
riton solicitor paulton from north england same room 19th june
fox


what if riton - was more correctly spelled as righton?

given the spellings are mostly phonetic - would this be an unreasonable conjecture?[/quote

well spotted!]
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harping on about mm docs. The significance of the date of booking - --- 19th june 1982- was the date of the raid

the first doc below seems to show ritton or bitton(?)

http://postimg.org/image/re564plib/

this is the 2nd doc - from which the transcription was made for mm file

http://postimg.org/image/6sm9ifvhf/

if these names were the only attendees at elm that night, there is no indication of any children.

Since the 'names' do not -at first pass- appear 'high profile' then it's difficult to see why the police would be forced to cover-up the scandal. Unless, of course ritton is a phonetic spelling and refers to peter righton? Thinking out loud - i'm pretty sure there is much more info on the photo's that has not yet been tackled.

Fairbank/fernbridge of course, have the originals, which i guess are easier to read..............................

I'm sure with the help of g4s They'll be able to make much faster progress going forward.

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Old 18-04-2013, 04:20 AM   #62729
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i have found an original "work in progress" document that
'transcriber' sent me after she'd given up on this, in places,
barely legible, document.

It's numbered "45" in her "valentine document", a summary of all
her work, which was available for download. A lot of people have
a copy. Be nice, pass it around, share.

"a newpaper clipping entitled ‘all quiet on the westland front’.

July 198?
Neal kier currently working as project development officer
for ss in hull.

Colin peters qc one of haddons clients for porn & sex.
Knows of our intent – do not know how ? His friends to
‘take care of me’. Warned to be very careful of this guy.

Adelaine stolper, address in petersham, richmond, surrey.

Paul steinegger (friend of glencross) stayed at carols with boys
supplied by haddon. Works for united technologies. He was at
(private?) meeting with hamilton-blackburn (westland) ???with
brittan haddon & brittain (sic) friends".

And that's as far as she got.

**************************************************

a couple of points:

1]. The elm raid was in 1982. So paul steinegger must have
being there 1981/1982.

2]. Paul steinegger worked for united technologies, an offshoot
of sikorsky.

3]. Guy hamilton-blackburn, westland.

4]. So, we're basically dealing with the "helicopter" document here.

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elm 15-18.


The home secretary, mr leon britan arrived at this open
(handwritten note unfinished, does it mean britton visited
guy in prison?))
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sooo...

1]. To bag paul steinegger and "positively" id him we're going
to have to look in the direction of united technologies - sikorsky.

2]. Secondly, we never did locate guy hamilton-blackburn to the
best of my knowledge.
Our man is guy hamilton-blackburn jr.
Father - chair of helicopter company.
Guy hamilton-blackburn senior and junior still to find.
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this is the "other" steinegger document,
it's pretty much as awful to read as the first:






the beginning of the faint bit at the bottom:

"paul steinegger - supposedly journalist with washington post but believed to be working for sikorsky?, ut".

I think it definitely looks a lot more like "paul" on this one.

If anyone wants to play around with it on photoshop
and try and improve the thing here's the link to the
original: http://postimg.org/image/u2hlbrxgj/
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this is the same document photographed a second time,
quality as horrible as the other:





once again photoshop fans, the original is here:

http://postimg.org/image/jbyk3u97n/
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my hunch is that paul steinegger is probably american.
Sikorsky is an american company.

American websites containing sikorsky related data are
probably the place to look, in my opinion.
Us company registers, etc.

Also remember, the events in the documents took place in the
early 1980's. We're talking pre-internet days here; so,
information relevant to him may not have even been digitized.
Which is not a great deal of help to us, unfortunately.

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Old 18-04-2013, 04:24 AM   #62730
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the elm guest house

from the website http://www.boardserver.com/read.html...&u=danaebashir

it maybe a good idea to get in contact with follow if they are still alive.

cllr trevor whittall east twickenham - vice-chair social services committee
cllr a.m. Cornish
- executive member for children and families
mayors of the borough 1988/89


cllr sir david williams

http://www.richmond.gov.uk/who_are_m...o.aspx&uid=214

cllr jonathan cardy

http://www.richmond.gov.uk/who_are_m...o.aspx&uid=404

cllr laurence mann
‘i later tracked down the owner, laurence mann, who turned out to be a foot soldier for mr cable's campaign, and a former local councillor.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...ge/4484535.stm

cllr jean matthews - chair social care and housing scrutiny committee
cllr jean matthews dies following a hip operation aged 71. Tributes are paid to cllr matthews who was responsible for social services, with council leader tony arbour describing her loss as a blow to the entire borough'.

http://www.stalbansreview.co.uk/news...review_of_2004

panorama journalist
bbc journalist (who has the case notes in his clapham loft)
childrens trauma therapist who lived in greenwich

also mentions that cllr mollett may have visted the guest house and that a lbrut
officer was convicted in a children scandal.

the twickenham police connected to cole park masonic lodge.
ds at twickenham who was she?

mayors of the
london borough of richmond upon thames
councillor j.r.m. Robinson ma(oxon)
1982/83

councillor j.f. Lambeth fia
1981/82
councillor n.j. Ford millar
1980/81

councillor j.l. Hargreaves
1979/80


did former richmond council leader serge lourie also attended the elm guest house or at least covered-up for richmond council staff/councillors and others.

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...der_loses_seat

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Old 18-04-2013, 04:27 AM   #62731
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Author: Yorkshire pudding
date: 11/13/2001 9:08 am wedt
guess where the former a council chauffear(sic) used to take council members and their guests?




http://www.boardserver.com/read.html...&u=danaebashir

from above link:

A former council chauffeur told me lots of things. He told me of dropping off guests at mayfair night clubs and brothels, picking them up in the small hours... But when push came to shove, and i required him to testify in the high court, he refused to repeat the stories. That didn't mean they were not true, just no-one 'wants to get involved'. The real problem was in fact the chauffeur's mother. The truth was by this means' officially untold'. If i had had his evidence from the witness box, we would have had the ice rink back years ago. I was and remain unbuyable.(sic)


http://www.boardserver.com/read.html...&u=danaebashir

from above link.

Chauffeur now lives in north yorkshire - he was openly on the square.

Then i had a look for chauffeur businesses in north yorkshire, and found this


executive cars ltd
qdos house, queen margaret's road
scarborough yo11 2sa
tel: 01723 500048
e-mail: [email protected]

now this is just my first search, and i am not suggesting this is anything other than a bonafide business. But the fact it's in scarborough was noted.

I checked at companies house to see if there was any info regarding registered directors.
The company doesn't show as being linked to the above named executive cars ltd, but i found one registered here.


http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//compdetails

from above link:

Name & registered office:
Executive cars limited
16 high holborn
london
united kingdom
wc1v 6bx
company no. 04296257

now the scarborough executive cars ltd, claimed to have been established in 1990, but the only company registration i can find is for the london company.
Sure the scarborough company could be registered to a london address, of maybe the company sold up.

I wonder if anyone could find director info for the scarborough company. As has been mentioned this chauffeur who worked for the council, and possibly ran elm customers and provided transport to brothels as mentioned above, retired up north.
Maybe the registration plates in the advert will reveal a name.
Maybe nothing maybe something, but savile, and jaconelli both scarborough connected, maybe this is our man. Over to you.
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i dont know if this means anything but i found this


http://www.chauffeurcarhirescarborough.co.uk/
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that's the same company number but a different address as the one i posted.
Companies move addresses, and can be registered care of, as that on is.
Need the director details really.
Thanks for having a look.

This is the company accountants.
http://www.croucherneedham.com/
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Old 18-04-2013, 04:31 AM   #62732
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interesting post i found on another thread from frauddb

i was involved in an investigation like this as a home office intelligence gatherer, my boss was discredited and left the uk and i left the country as well after one of those we were looking at tried to break in to the flat we were in and rape my son who was 15 at the time while i was swearing a witness statement in a court building in another city. Police officers who tried to look at the child abuse rings very often resigned out of disgust. The information we were gathering crossed into the js area as he had a flat in peterborough.

There are some very dirty police who are bribed with jobs and high value gifts ie property into covering up offences by politicians both local and national. The officers involved, addresses of the properties and the jobs given in payment for their co-operation in hindering investigations can be supplied by pm including documented evidence to show that i do know what i am talking about.

The police force that covered the area i was looking at cambridgeshire now seems to have a chief constable who is starting to do something, an explanation is on my blog link below.

http://frauddb.wordpress.com/2013/04...investigation/
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peterborough uk child sexual abuse investigation
posted on april 2, 2013 by frauddb
anyone who has read the previous posts on this blog will know that i encountered cases of child sexual abuse that were not investigated. Today i saw this piece in the local paper the peterborough evening telegraph “six arrests in child sex ring”

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/n...tion-1-4954877

finally cambridgeshire constabulary have been released from political interference and allowed to investigate this ring. Police officers complained to me in 2002 that they were being stopped from investigating these offences as they were culturally sensitive and the police had other more important things to do for example the officers on the ground were told they had home office targets to reach and doing things such as investigating serious crimes was getting in the way of reaching those targets which senior officers had to reach. Now hopefully the hand cuffs are off the police (sorry about the pun!) and the police can do the job that they want to, catch real criminals and stop the child abuse rings that operated with impunity in the uk.

I do have one concern. People who have come forward to give evidence to the police in relation to the activities of some of those who may allegedly be involved in this investigation or their family members have been murdered. Ross parker who was really murdered because he went to the police about the drug dealing activities in his girl friends place of work by this group.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2590539.stm

this is another case where a girl was willing to be a witness against this group in relation to sexual abuse and rape offences including incest.
The victim was murdered and so was her unborn child and it was removed from her womb prior to the post mortem. These links give more information

http://frauddb.wordpress.com/2012/06...-baby-farming/

http://frauddb.wordpress.com/2012/06...-baby-farming/

i am glad that cambridgeshire constabulary are investigating this abuse ring in peterborough. I only hope that the witnesses are protected because members of this group do kill witnesses.
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Old 18-04-2013, 04:49 AM   #62733
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could use some investigative type minds doing a lil digging if a couple of you wouldn't mind pls

*flutters eyelashes seductively

*gets stabbed in the eye by a loose lash!! bah!!!!




I'm gonna try and help Kaz with this but i have no idea where to start.

Anyone else up for lending a hand?

Please guys?

She (and the information) really needs our help......
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Am sure someone on here mentioned that David Seaman attended a party, but can't find any details from search the thread unless it was deleted. Other than those links below.

Am looking for information regarding
David Seaman's classmates from Rotherham, this could be nothing or something big.

The England coach went on from an FA World Cup debrief ? to which Sven Goran Eriksson made an unspecified contribution ? to the Royal Opera House for the 25th anniversary celebrations of health farm Henlow Grange. Also present were Frank Bruno, David Seaman, Tony Adams, George Graham, Sir Jimmy Savile and Sally Gunnell.

Source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ent-sting.html

There was a real star studded line-up at Stephen and Isabelle Purdew's wedding including...

Liam Gallagher and his wife Nicole Appleton

Labour MP Keith Vaz

Piers Morgan

Anthea Turner

Rebekah Wade. Editor of The Sun

Samantha Janus, EastEnders actress

Ian Wright and David Seaman, former England footballers

Source:
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Old 18-04-2013, 07:16 AM   #62735
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Those figures add up to more than 100%
maybe they found extra kids? lol
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2 versions, one page, ready for printing everyone.


http://depositfiles.com/files/430tt50xd PDF

http://depositfiles.com/files/ilvmg0kf2 Word Doc


Select regular download


Get cracking team
can you email me those files please?
i'll put them in the filing cabinet so they easier to grab.
not waiting a min+ on where-ever you've stored them lol
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What a man. Fantastic. Also, how refreshing that when Harriet tells tales to the police officer the officer was not willing to do her bidding. Brilliant. Well done that man.
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Default Purdew's wedding pics: JS, Bruno etc.

Taken by a photographer who lives in Richmond.

"On Saturday 7th March I was invited to attend the wedding of Stephen Purdew and Isabella Cave as their press photographer. It was a lovely day and enjoyed by all. The ceremony was held at St George’s chapel in Hanover Square and the reception at Claridges which was well attended by celebrity guests including Frank Bruno, Sir Jimmy Savile, Anthea Turner & Grant Bovey, Samantha Janus, Nicole, Natalie and Lee Appleton, Liam Gallagher, David Seaman, Tony Adams, Ian Wright, George Graham, Piers Morgan and Celia Walden to name a few.

Photographs have been published in Hello! and most of the major tabloids. "

http://www.helenjonesphotographyblog...pneys-wedding/
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Wako seige ended april 19th 1993
oklahoma bomb april 19th 1995
Boston bomb few days ago
Explosion at fertilizer plant wako april 18th 2013.

coinkidence ?
Satanic calendar anyone ?
http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/shad.../festival.html

April 1st (Egyptian Calendar) or 15th April (Gregorian Calendar) the month of Payni begins. Festival of Heru (Horus). Festival of Bast.

30th March (Egyptian Calendar) or April 14th (Gregorian Calendar) celebrations in the house of Ra, Wasir (Osiris) and Heru (Horus).

April 15th is the date of the Roman sacrifice festival known as Fordicidia - a festival of fertility involving the sacrifice of a pregnant cow.
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Default Stephen Purdew, JS and Frank Bruno

“Long-time friend Stephen Purdew slammed the claims. He said: “Sir Jim was a great man, a legend who should be remembered for all the wonderful things he did.”

“Recently deceased children’s TV presenter Jimmy Savile has been described as “spinning in his grave” by close friend Stephen Purdew - over plans to reboot his most iconic show…Speaking to The Sun Purdew said: “It's disgusting. Jimmy has only just died, for goodness sake. He will be spinning in his grave. It was an iconic show, totally identified with him. A remake won't work. It only works with someone who has Jimmy's endearing qualities, not a comedian. Shane Richie is a nice enough man, but he's no Jimmy Savile. The BBC have not done the programme since 1994, why suddenly revive it now?"”

http://www.thedrum.com/news/2011/11/...-fix-it-remake

“Boxing legend Frank Bruno has spoken about his year from hell after the death of three of his closest friends. The former world heavyweight champion who turned 50 last Wednesday was rocked by the loss of pals Sir Jimmy Savile and fellow former boxers Sir Henry Cooper and Gary Mason.
Big Frank, who is now a tireless charity worker, admitted that reaching 50 had made him take stock of his life and realise how lucky he is.
Frank said: “This birthday is a milestone but I am happy, able to work and to meet people.” Stephen Purdew, owner of Champneys spa resort in Tring, Herts, where Frank trains every day, hosted a birthday party for his close friend last Wednesday.
Frank arrived looking fit and happy in a red jacket and dark jeans.
Stephen, 52, said: “It was a really emotional day for Frank. We had a birthday cake for him and put up pictures and banners.Typically, being Frank he didn’t want a fuss made. I think like most men who reach 50 he wanted the day to pass quickly. He leads a very quiet life these days and is devoted to his children who are his big anchor. He is very sensible with his money and takes nothing for granted.

When Frank left hospital after his breakdown he spent 14 months living with me so I’ve seen him at complete rock bottom.”

http://www.people.co.uk/celebs-tv/ce...2039-23574195/

STEPHEN PURDEW SPEAKS ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF
SUNSEEKER SUPERYACHT MANAGEMENT.
Stephen Purdew is the owner of Champneys Health Resorts, one of the largest destination health spa groups in the world which employs around 2,000 people.
He bought his Sunseeker Predator 82 in 2006. Having experienced problems recruiting and retaining good crew, he turned to Chris Head at Sunseeker London for advice. Chris recommended Sunseeker Superyacht Management – and Stephen hasn’t looked back since.
“It is, without doubt, one of the best business decisions I’ve made,” says Stephen. “The downside of crew recruitment was beginning to spoil a wonderful experience. Ben Young at Sunseeker Superyacht Management now recruits my crew and I can concentrate on running my business without having to worry about the boat.”

http://www.sunseekersym.com/testimonials.html

“Our mission at 'The Karen Trust' is to open a dedicated retreat home in the UK for terminally ill cancer patients…
The retreat will be a place were patients can stay with their loved ones to indulge themselves in the tranquillity and peace of the countryside. A place were they can escape the constant radiotherapy, chemotherapy and other forms of hospital treatments they have to endure.

Achievements so far:
Stephen Purdew (Co-owner Champneys Health Spa & Resorts) has very kindly agreed to The Karen Trust building their first retreat house on the Forest Mere estate, where we have full planning permission.

Current stage - The trust are currently raising funds (minimum £250K) for us to be able to start the build of our first retreat. “

http://www.ploink.co.uk/charity/the-karen-trust
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