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Old 14-01-2013, 09:45 PM   #40721
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He also appears as QC on photo 14.16#3.

Reposted the other news feature for completeness.

Just passing by again...
Hey!

We cant pin you down can we?!

Don't clowns like (political) parties?
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Old 14-01-2013, 09:48 PM   #40722
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Too right! Bloody tories!

Thatcher probably worst ever IMO.

Most the stuff her and Heath implemented infested with scandal and deceit.

I hope she lives to see the materialisation of the realisation of her poisoned legacy.
She wont do that she is already gone, so they tell us She wont have a clue unfortunately.
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Old 14-01-2013, 09:49 PM   #40723
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The first show was broadcast on 1st January 1964 from a disused Wesleyan church in Dickenson Road, Manchester, (because most of the other BBC studios were busy at the time) which had been acquired by the BBC and fitted out as a tv studio some years earlier. The studio, though, had a long history pre-BBC and was the original home of Mancunian Films.

At 6.36 p.m. a new era in Pop was born with Jimmy Savile introducing The Rolling Stones performing 'I Wanna Be Your Man'.


Savile, who died on 30th October aged 84, was manager of the Plaza ballroom on St James Street (now demolished, opposite the side of the Odeon) in the late 1950s. With his shock of multi-coloured hair, he began hosting lunchtime discos and was soon attracting as many as 2,000 punters. Anyone who smelt of drink, had a dirty shirt, or was wearing unpressed trousers would be turned away by the tough ex-miners from Savile’s former Yorkshire colliery days who patrolled the door and were even known to shave the sideburns off particular hairy revellers. The Plaza sessions attracted a large number of truanting schoolchildren, and when local headteachers complained Savile, with trademark cheek, responded: “You’ve had it too easy for too long. If you make your school more attractive than my dancehall you can keep them.”

On 6 February 1958 Savile was due to host a press ball at the Plaza. Then the news came in of the Munich Air Disaster. Savile posted a “Press Ball Cancelled” note on the door, and he and his colleagues sat hunched around the wireless awaiting more information.

Jimmy Savile co-presented the first episode of Top of the Pops on New Year’s Day 1964 from the now demolished BBC studio off Dickenson Roadin Rusholme. There, a generation earlier, John E Blakeley had based his Mancunian Film Studio, responsible for such carefree romps as Cup-Tie Honeymoon (starring a young Pat Phoenix) and School for Randle with the irrepressible Frank Randle (catchphrase: “Bah, I’ve supped some ale tonight”). By the 1960s TV had seen off films and the new music show, irrevocably linked with the charts, began with the Rolling Stones playing “I Wanna Be Your Man”, their only Beatles’ cover. Also on were Dusty Springfield with “I Only Want to Be with You” (this being 20 years she confirmed her true greatness on the Pet Shop Boys’ “Nothing Has Been Proved”), the Dave Clark Five (“Glad All Over”), The Hollies doing “Stay”, the Swinging Blue Jeans’ “Hippy Hippy Shake” and the Beatles (“I Want to Hold Your Hand”, which was Number One.

It's difficult to find out which programmes were made in Manchester and which at the studios at Teddington. Often rehearsals would be in London, with the cast travelling north for the transmission or recording. This was the case for a 13-part drama series called Inside Story which was recorded at Capitol Building in 1960. Police Surgeon — a forerunner to The Avengers — may have been taped there. I believe The Beatles gave their first-ever TV performance at Didsbury. The final ABC programme from the studios was Opportunity Knocks in July 1968.

The weekend contract for the region was abolished and ABC and Rediffusion formed a new company: Thames Television.

Yorkshire Television operated from Capitol building for a few months and then it passed to Manchester Polytechnic (now the Metropolitan University), which used it as the base for its theatre studies and Design For Communications Media film and television production course. Julie Walters was one of the drama students.


As a schoolboy of 14yrs in 1964 living in Longsight I was unbelievably fortunate to be part of the Top of the Pops studio audience, during 64 and 65.

I went to school at Xaverian, which was only 10 minutes walk from the BBC studios in Dickenson Rd.
My schoolpals and Iused to hang out at the studios during our lunch break in the hope of seeing "someone" arriving for a recording, which happened fairly regularly when an artist couldn't make it for the Thursday show.

We then set about catching the attention of Cecil Korer (now happily NOT deceased - thansk for the info Cecil - and apologies!) who was then the assistant producer for TOTP's, by hanging about outside the local pub where he used to go for lunch, then quizzing him about the show when he emerged.

He was such an amiable and approachable bloke and more or less gave us an invitation to be on the show. Yeah Yeah Yeah!

Cecil Korer got to know our faces and then whenever there was an audience shortage, he would appear at the studio entrance to pick the lucky few from the crowd outside.  Recognising our faces (usually Bernard Ellis, Peter Haddon and myself) he would invariably select US week after week. Heady stuff!    

I remember Cecil directing the cameras. As he was quite a tall man, he used to crouch slightly when he was on the studio floor so he would blend in. He also had a balding head, and would don a longish brown wig. He looked so comical  and quite surreal.

I used to pick up scripts of TOTP's after the show, detailing all the camera shots, along with the DJ's comments and the words to the songs in the show. There were always a few generally lying about.  They were my prized possessions in those days, before they got lost whilst moving house. Ebay dreams aaah!

Artists we got to see at TOTP's:
Remember Jimmy Saville arriving in a bubble car one week, then the next week in a Rolls Royce.
Roy Orbison, Pretty Things, Nashville Teens, Dusty Springfield, Gene Pitney, Brenda Lee, Lulu (sat next to Lulu but was too shy to speak) John Lee Hooker, Sandi Shaw, PJ Proby, The Four Pennies, Twinkle, Honey & The Honeycombs, Wayne Fontana (he put two fingers up at the crowd outside, through a staircase window. That was well before punk, never liked him since!). There is probably more I've missed.

The whole TOTP's experience was such a complete gas for me and was probably formative in my eventual career choice! Making Music.

Gradually lost interest in Top of the Pops during the 80's. Not really sure why, perhaps because it wasn't any longer the music.of "My Generation".

Think it would be could be revived successfully as a top 20 albums show.

 Bob Mallon

I used to go to Top of the Pops in 1963, 1964 and 1965.  It was a fantastic show, I wish I could watch the old  shows when The Rolling Stones, Hollies, Beatles, Swinging Blue Jeans, etc, were on but I believe the films from them have been lost.

On entering the old church we had to put little plastic heel covers on our shoes, bottles of coca cola were given free and lots of times my friend and  I use to go round the back and look into the dressing rooms where we would meet the bands.  I sat with Mick and Brian while they use to get ready for the show.

There was and never will be a show like it again  - they were wonderful days and would do anything to bring them back - lol.

Wynne Dixon (I lived in Withington, Manchester at the time)
12/10/11

Me and my mates were on Top of the Pops.  One of my mates, Terry Etchells, worked at photograph agency, working with models from various companies.  One was a girl called Samantha,who worked with the late Jimmy Savile, so he got us tickets.

I remember the coca-cola and the huge cameras they had.  They told us at the start get out of the way when they start moving.  We were on with Jimmy and David Jacobs in 63/64.

Peter Byrne
28/1/12

Every Sunday night myself and two mates used to go to The Top Ten Club in the New Elizabethan Ballroom at Belle Vue, Manchester. Cecil from the BBC used to walk through the dancers looking out for good dancers and handing them tickets for the following weeks Top Of The Pops recording.

We managed to get a ticket each and duly turned up for the show. We saw P J Proby and Twinkle. We knew that the No. 1 was always the last to be played each week. That week it was t The Beatles and we knew that they would not be there. There was no such things as Videos back then and we knew the Camera would be trained on a very large photo of the group all the way through the song. Therefore, we planted ourselves dancing in front of the Photo and managed to be on TV virtually all the way through.

One funny thing about the recordings that the main camera was mounted on a massive four wheel trolley complete with a hydraulic system to lift the camera operator up above the crowd to get a Looking down shot of the artist The trolley had a guy crawling in front of it to clear a path through the dancers by sweeping his arm to and fro against the legs of the dancers. This led to many shots of startled people suddenly looking indignantly down to the floor behind them!

Bernard Judge
8/2/12

Such an awe-inspiring event. Even though I only went once to the Top of the Pops studio I even remember what I wore that night - pre mini days. A friend at school, Marilyn Boydle, had got tickets for us. We were 16 at the time. I lived in Moston so it was quite a trip to make on buses. I remember the cameras were on tracks and the dancers had to move out of the way as the cameras made their way forward. This is obvious by the startled looks on the faces on the very few saved films from the time. It was very noticeable when the programme moved 'down south' as the fashions and style of dancing was very different.

I also remember all the clubs in Manchester - signing in at aged 14, saying my date of birth was '44, and that I was an airhostess!! Also Jimmy Saville at the Three Coins announcing if any girl was 'in trouble' to come and see him (I wonder what he meant!!) Just great memories!

Beryl Cadman
12/2/12

I was that man (Bernard Judge, above)  Or, at least, one of them, a junior trainee cameraman at Dickie Road studio in 1964, whose first job was to gently push kids out of the path of camera 1, the main camera, on its Vinten electric crane, as it tracked through the dancers.

Later, the studio got a Vinten Heron hydraulic crane, which could move in any direction around the studio, and by 1965 I'd been promoted to driving it, under the instructions of Gordon Addison, the fine cameraman who was on camera 1 for almost every TotP from Manchester.  Gordon died last year, 82 years old.

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Old 14-01-2013, 09:49 PM   #40724
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So basically, do what I say and want for political favours and we'll make you take the blame for this / smear you or we'll publish these photos?

Does anyone have more sophisticated take on this?
think you've nailed it right there!
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Old 14-01-2013, 09:50 PM   #40725
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No I mean on the '"list". On the list of people involved with Elm Guest House, held up. None of those names are on the list, or lists. None of the convicted people are on the "lists"

Many explanations for that but I'm just pointing it out.
Evening all. Not great at dot joining but thought I could help on this specific.

The first Mary Moss document, (photographs 1-3), last sentence is:

'Colin Peters QC - informant (boy) names him as supplying him to clients'

The 3rd document ( photographs 8-12), entitled 'Names of Known and Suspected Abusers of Children', last sentence is:

'Colin Peters QC, Twickenham, Lawyer'.

The link Dopey gave about the conviction of the 4 men, including Peters, mentions links to a football club.

Moss documents refer to 'C*r*s G*i**r, QPR Football Club, Youth Team Leader.

Maybe connected, maybe not...back later.
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Thank you Transcriber!!
Bloody marvellous!!

So thats Queen park rangers?

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Old 14-01-2013, 09:57 PM   #40727
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Transcriber thank you! Re those docs, I'm starting to think of you as our guardian angel appearing when needed to keep us right. Thanks
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Old 14-01-2013, 09:59 PM   #40728
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Lord Hanson, guided by Mrs Thatcher's favourite public relations guru, Sir Tim (now Lord) Bell, he was a master of PR, using his growing notoriety in financial circles to provide material to favoured journalists, while rationing his own public appearances. (From Guardian obituary)

Looking back at the Elm docs. I said a couple of days ago that it had

Tim Bell - in Haddons diary as MP - adviser to the fixer.

It actually says -in Haddons diary as MP - adviser to the flyer.

That seems to tie those two.
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Old 14-01-2013, 10:02 PM   #40729
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Heath 'may have been involved in blaming IRA for McGurks bomb'

Edward Heath was prime minister at the time of the bombing
Former prime minister Edward Heath may have been involved in a smear campaign to falsely blame the IRA for a notorious bar bombing, an MP related to one of the victims has claimed.

Fifteen people died when a UVF bomb exploded in McGurk's Bar in Belfast on 4 December, 1971.

The massacre was at first blamed on the accidental detonation of an IRA bomb.

This caused speculation that the dead may have included IRA members who were carrying it.

Labour MP Michael Connarty claimed in the Commons that the British government, led at the time by Mr Heath, was instrumental in spreading the story.

Last year, the Police Ombudsman found there had been no collusion between security forces and loyalist paramilitaries, but concluded there was investigative bias towards blaming republicans.

But Mr Connarty, MP for Linlithgow and East Falkirk, said a new book cast doubt on the findings.

He told MPs: "On December 4, 1971, McGurk's Bar was blown up by a UVF bomb, killing my uncle Philip Garry plus 14 other people including two children.

"On the 41st anniversary of that, a book has been published by Ciaran MacAirt, whose grandmother Kathleen Irvine was also killed in that bomb, showing that after 20 years of investigation there are still closed files, letters not available.


Labour MP Michael Connarty urged the Prime Minister to order a full investigation
"There was collusion and it was clearly the British government, possibly up to the then prime minister Edward Heath, who colluded and not only co-operated, but instructed that the false story be spread that this was a bomb carried by the people into that bar and it was an IRA bomb in transit."

Shortly after the explosion, then Stormont home affairs minister John Taylor said he believed the IRA was responsible.

In 1978, UVF member Robert Campbell was convicted of his part in the attack.

Mr Connarty urged Prime Minister David Cameron to apologise and order a full investigation.

"Is it not time now for a proper investigation by the British government into the facts of this case, with all the files being open and the Prime Minister coming here to apologise to those families and the community for the malign way in which they were, for six years, blamed for a bomb that was clearly a vicious act against them?"

Answering questions on future Commons business, Leader of the House Andrew Lansley said he would ask ministers to respond to Mr Connarty's claims.

(Footnote; Note he was prime minister in 1970)
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Just throwing this in the pot - Jersey as a poss connection?
WHERE’S THE EVIDENCE?
…by Michael Shrimpton
This issue is bound to be raised when my forthcoming intelligence history of the DVD, Spyhunter, is published.

The rumour mill suggests it has thrown the British Cabinet Office into shock – it was apparently they who were behind the seizure on April 20th of my working papers, including several weeks worth of revisions, which had not been backed up offshore (rats!).

Since it exposes the first five Cabinet Secretaries starting with Maurice Hankey (aka ‘Hankey-Panky’) as German assets I am not surprised.
Gay visitors sharing tents were not encouraged in Nazi Germany. When I became aware some years later that Madron (he was quite a nice German spy by the way) had lied it got me thinking.

The conventional view was that Heath worked for the Allies in World War II and only betrayed Britain in 1972, when he took us into the EEC, on terms dictated by Germany.

Mid-life treason is rare by the way – high-level traitors usually start in their late teens or early twenties. Eventually Jerry admitted they had recruited Heath, albeit reluctantly and off the record.

Very few legends or cover-stories can survive sustained counter-intelligence investigation – the idea is to deter inquiries. Edward Heath’s flimsy claims to be a patriot were never going to survive a detailed scrutiny of his wartime activities.

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If I may be forgiven an anecdote my exposure of Sir Edward Heath as a German agent (he was recruited by the Abwehr in 1937 at Balliol College and was transferred to the DVD in 1945) started out with what must have seemed to his gay lover and fellow German spy Madron Seligman (it is not a crime to be gay, at least now – my objection was to their treason, a capital offence when they committed it between 1939 and 1945) to be a small, white lie.

He had been warned about me – we were opponents in the 1989 European Parliament election and his DVD controller had a profile on me. He was anxious to hide the fact that he and Heath crossed the German lines in August 1939 just prior to the German invasion of Poland, so he moved the ‘camping trip’ back a year, to the summer of 1938.

The change in date was significant. With von Bock’s Army Group North massed for the invasion there was no way a couple of gay British students were going to be permitted to transit General von Kuchler’s 3rd Army staging areas unless they had official sanction, in this case from Canaris himself.

Generally speaking, as I have suggested in Spyhunter, the Third Reich did not go out of its way to attract the pink pound.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06...he-german-dvd/
Can't vouch for the double agent premis - but many will agree that he knowingly took this country into a 'Federated States of Europe' - knowingly - and this was kept from voters.

Warning shot across the bows to toe the line? Make sure that his lone voice carried the way into the 'common market' despite opposition.

Do as you are instructed Heath or die?

Yet another case of cover ups in the guise of national security.

Saving their own arses more like - so they could continue their disgusting lifestyles.
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great stuff again Martyr Pope - makes sense!
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Transcriber - the QPR youth leader looks more like Chris Geller.
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Check out the sneaky little insert in this article, about the judge imposing a life sentence then immediately rescinding it and imposing an 8 year sentence instead...on a "sex menace" named as David Slanford.

Presuming the reason given ie he made a mistake is correct, I'm curious about this one simply because I can't find a thing on the net about it.

Can anyone else find anything? I've tried Slanford and also Stanford just incase it was a misprint and so far drawn a blank.


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Can't vouch for the double agent premis - but many will agree that he knowingly took this country into a 'Federated States of Europe' - knowingly - and this was kept from voters.

Warning shot across the bows to toe the line? Make sure that his lone voice carried the way into the 'common market' despite opposition.

Do as you are instructed Heath or die?

Yet another case of cover ups in the guise of national security.

Saving their own arses more like - so they could continue their disgusting lifestyles.
Ooh thats a distinct possibility! What did they have on him?
On a sidenote the North Wales cases too there was mention of MI6/ foreign dignitaries involved. We have to open our minds here and look at the wider international political ramifications.
God, just how deep and corrupt does this go?
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Old 14-01-2013, 10:09 PM   #40734
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Transcriber - the QPR youth leader looks more like Chris Geller.
It's Chris Gieler. Just wanted to make sure we don't waste time looking for the wrong name. The deceased Chris Gieler:

http://qprreport.blogspot.co.uk/2008...d-playing.html
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More about Heath and the DVD -


http://englishdemocraticparty.org.uk...lletin309.html

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On the day following Heath’s death, the Editor received an unexpected briefing from a UK intelligence source, who informed him about Heath’s treacherous background. A day later, another veteran, UK intelligence source conveyed ‘further and better particulars’, independently of the first source. No doubt this service was selected for this exposure because of the expectation that the previously withheld intelligence would be used. What these appalling revelations mean is that Britain’s entry into the EEC was fraudulent, which means that there is no problem leaving it.

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It's Chris Gieler. Just wanted to make sure we don't waste time looking for the wrong name. The deceased Chris Gieler:

http://qprreport.blogspot.co.uk/2008...d-playing.html
Wow well done theres another one then!!!
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Transcriber - the QPR youth leader looks more like Chris Geller.
Hi, I think it says Chris Geiler. Never sure about naming those who might be innocent, but the lizards made me do it gov! If you google the name he pops up as 'QPR Academy Director' but am happy to stand corrected! Just like worrying away at tricky documents, keeps me off the bloody Voynich manuscript. At least this is in English!
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Check out the sneaky little insert in this article, about the judge imposing a life sentence then immediately rescinding it and imposing an 8 year sentence instead...on a "sex menace" named as David Slanford.

Presuming the reason given ie he made a mistake is correct, I'm curious about this one simply because I can't find a thing on the net about it.

Can anyone else find anything? I've tried Slanford and also Stanford just incase it was a misprint and so far drawn a blank.


No, not a saucisson. I dont suppose there was a sex offenders register then? When it start?
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*taps nose suspiciously*
I need time to digest the rams of this.
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Hi, I think it says Chris Geiler. Never sure about naming those who might be innocent, but the lizards made me do it gov! If you google the name he pops up as 'QPR Academy Director' but am happy to stand corrected! Just like worrying away at tricky documents, keeps me off the bloody Voynich manuscript. At least this is in English!
Always blame it on the lizards.

''But then QPR head of youth development, the late Chris Gieler, offered him the job of coaching the U9s, at the age of 26. "I jumped at it," said Gallen. "Without realising it, he had given me a direction in life."
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It's Chris Gieler. Just wanted to make sure we don't waste time looking for the wrong name. The deceased Chris Gieler:

http://qprreport.blogspot.co.uk/2008...d-playing.html
Thanks for that harry.
Sorry , I think my eyes had enough.
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