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Old 28-09-2015, 02:48 PM   #1
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Checking FB at lunchtime, and top of DI headlines, he has an edited picture of ISIS terrorists holding up flags of UK, US and Israel.

How utterly ridiculous.

This liberal self blame is getting utterly ridiculous.

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Checking FB at lunchtime, and top of DI headlines, he has an edited picture of ISIS terrorists holding up flags of UK, US and Israel.

How utterly ridiculous.

This liberal self blame is getting utterly ridiculous.
That is a peculiar and selective viewpoint, for a senior forum member. Most people are here, because they can no longer take the control system's assurances at face value. The 'Headlines' provide an extensive supply of well-researched evidence into the reality behind the rise of 'Isis' and our control systems' involvement in creating such terror groups, also the reasons behind this connivance. Just reading through the forum topic discussions such as in Today's News', is enlightening, A little more in-depth reading round the subject might help clarify things, such as this extract:

"Supporting militants

Syria says Israel and its Western and regional allies are aiding Takfiri militant groups operating inside the Arab country.

The Syrian army has repeatedly seized huge quantities of Israeli-made weapons and advanced military equipment from the foreign-backed militants inside Syria.

The Tel Aviv regime has a long history in supporting militant groups against the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad over the past more than four years of turmoil in the Arab country.

Reports say Israel has set up field hospitals near the border with Syria to treat the injured militants coming in from battlefield.

The Israeli-occupied Syrian territory of the Golan Heights has hosted the field hospitals for the treatment of the wounded militants. In June, locals in the Golan intercepted an Israeli vehicle transporting two members of the al-Nusra Front terrorist group on the road between al-Sheikh Mountain and the village of Majdal Shams.

The United Nations says the militancy in Syria has displaced more than 7.2 million people internally, and compelled over four million others to take refuge in neighboring countries, including Jordan and Lebanon"
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/09...ghts-airstrike

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You're kidding right?
No, I think there is a culture of appeasement and feeding victimhood here.
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..The 'Headlines' provide an extensive supply of well-researched evidence into the reality behind the rise of 'Isis' and our control systems' involvement in creating such terror groups, also the reasons behind this connivance.
Hi Aster, the evidence is cherry picked, especially from an iranian news agency. this constant blaming on israel and the west is getting tiresome. The get out clause is becoming too well-worn. The activities of Islamic extremism are due to ... Islamic extremism. This should be obvious.
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"The Syrian army has repeatedly seized huge quantities of Israeli made weapons"
Any links to substantiate that claim?

Israel is the fourth biggest arms manufacturer in the world, and the biggest arms manufacturer in the region, and as they've had a long-standing grudge with Assad it wouldn't be in the least surprising if Syria was awash with Israeli weapons.

I've just Googled 'Israeli weapons in Syria' and only found ONE verifiable report of Israeli weapons actually found in Syria and it was acknowledged that they were brought in by foreign fighters.
There were also a handful of unsubstantiated reports from anti-Israeli propagandist sources.
So the evidence does not support the claim.

No disputing that there was no Al-Qaeda in the region till the West got involved.
There is evidence American intelligence foresaw an Islamic entity arising in eastern Syria and thinking it would undermine the pro-Russian Assad, considered it might be useful to American long term aims, but the West did not 'create' ISIS.

A good write-up from The Guardian's Ali Khedery on how ISIS came to be
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ors-isis-jihad
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Checking FB at lunchtime, and top of DI headlines, he has an edited picture of ISIS terrorists holding up flags of UK, US and Israel.

How utterly ridiculous.

This liberal self blame is getting utterly ridiculous.
To some it is so obvious what is happening, others well, they just cant see how it was all manipulated starting YEARS ago.

Here is a kinda help at connecting the dots, where there is a put the opposite in and you will find the truth.

No we have Camermoron in New York

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad must not escape prosecution, even if he is allowed to play an interim role in any political solution in Syria, David Cameron has said shortly after arriving in the US.
The Prime Minister's comments come as Britain prepares to drop its demand for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to instead focus on defeating ISIS.
Mr Cameron flew to the United Nations in New York today hoping to inject new momentum into the stalled Syrian peace process.

But he made it clear that Assad could be allowed to stay in power for a transition period in a key move to win Russian backing for attacks on the jihadi terrorists in Syria.
Mr Cameron has repeatedly made clear that 'Assad has to go' as part of any hope of securing peace in Syria.
However, British officials admit warned that finding a resolution to the four-year conflict had been made more complicated by the unexpected Russian military build-up in support of the Assad regime.


'Assad can't be part of Syria's future. He has butchered his own people. He has helped create this conflict and this migration crisis. He is one of the great recruiting sergeants for Isil,' he said.
'He can't play a part in the future of Syria and that position hasn't changed.
'Obviously conversations about how we bring about transition are very important and that's what we need to see greater emphasis on.'

Sorry, run out of allowed smillies as there are so many needed in this short statement, I hope you are getting the idea now.
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The ashkenazi owned new york times ran a false story trying to blame assad for gassing his own people and later retracted that story when the UK parliament refused to go into a ground war in syria

Destroying syria removes a major ally of Iran who is one of the few countries in the world whose economy is not controlled by ashkenazi bankers like the rothschilds

Mandy the ashkenazi 'prince of darkness' joined other ashkenazi neo-cons like jack straw (just implicated in a 'cash-for-access' scandal) and Lord Levi (later done for cash-for-honours scandal) to surround Tony Blair who some say was blackmailed due to his illegal sexual predilictions

This was the 'cabal' that scottish MP Tam dalyell said was influencing Blair over the Iraq war

meanhwile we have what ashkenazi journalist Bernstein called the 'jewish (ie ashkenazi) neo-cons' taking us to war in iraq

When british civil servant Dr Kelly exposed this deception he was murdered

The ashkenazi neo-con method has always been to give money to the war machine and then unleash that war machine on other countries with the stated aim of then replacing the destroyed governments with puppet governments

This however benefits ashkenazi dominated Israel who want to weaken their neighbours in order to increase their landholdings in the middle east

Any refugees from the war zones are then deflected by the ashkenazis like george soros and barbara spectre onto Europe who then have to foot the economic bill of the destruction wreaked by ashkenazi neo-cons; ashkenazi zuckerberg then censors any discussion about this from facebook

Meanwhile ashkenazi bankers print more money thereby destroying the savings of middle class americans and europeans and use that created fiat money to fuel the war machine causing more chaos and destabilisation and making the 'west' detested around the world

Meanhwile the ashkenazi media blame the white west for all this and turn dissatisfied factions against white people in general and the ashkenazi bankers use their financial leverage to protect ashkenazi child abusers like leon brittan and lord janner

And ashkenazi hollywood churns out its propaganda with ashkenazi actors like scarlet johannsson pushing the transhumanist agenda

When are people going to wake upto this scam?

How is it not obvious?
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No, I think there is a culture of appeasement and feeding victimhood here.
Nope, there is a culture of being uninformed which is due to people only getting information from government sponsored/controlled main stream media which at the end of the day is just officially sanctioned narratives and mostly propaganda. Step away from that paradigm for a moment and think for yourself and do some of your own research and it doesn't take very long to see very different narratives and then the edited image makes perfect sense and is accurate.

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Hi Aster, the evidence is cherry picked, especially from an iranian news agency. this constant blaming on israel and the west is getting tiresome. The get out clause is becoming too well-worn. The activities of Islamic extremism are due to ... Islamic extremism. This should be obvious.
this constant blaming on israel and the west is getting tiresome.

The get out clause is becoming too well-worn.

The activities of Islamic extremism are due to ... Islamic extremism.

This should be obvious.
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"The Syrian army has repeatedly seized huge quantities of Israeli made weapons"
Any links to substantiate that claim?

Israel is the fourth biggest arms manufacturer in the world, and the biggest arms manufacturer in the region, and as they've had a long-standing grudge with Assad it wouldn't be in the least surprising if Syria was awash with Israeli weapons.

I've just Googled 'Israeli weapons in Syria' and only found ONE verifiable report of Israeli weapons actually found in Syria and it was acknowledged that they were brought in by foreign fighters.
There were also a handful of unsubstantiated reports from anti-Israeli propagandist sources.
So the evidence does not support the claim.

No disputing that there was no Al-Qaeda in the region till the West got involved.
There is evidence American intelligence foresaw an Islamic entity arising in eastern Syria and thinking it would undermine the pro-Russian Assad, considered it might be useful to American long term aims, but the West did not 'create' ISIS.

A good write-up from The Guardian's Ali Khedery on how ISIS came to be
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ors-isis-jihad
The Guardian report is typical of the disinformation to be expected from that disgraceful rag. I stopped reading it when this country's warmongering stance on Syria began in earnest. As for the oft-repeated claim that Israel has a long-standing grudge against Assad, that does not square with what a Guardian-reading Jewish member of the STW Coalition told me at one of their meetings. He said that he regarded Syria as a stable influence in the region, and he certainly did not see it as a threat to Israel. My own take on Israel's cowardly attacks and aggression towards its neighbour, is that Israel covets another land grab of Syrian territory. It keeps on trying to provoke a reaction towards this end, but President Assad shrewdly avoids rising to the bait.
Here is an post by our own forum member 'Syriano', from 2012. It is infinitely preferable as a synopsis of Syria's struggle against outside interference, than any article from the shameful 'Guardian'.

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"The Syrian conflict, a Syrians perspective
I have been born and raised in Aleppo, living in Europe since 20 years. Since we have moved we have always been in Syria almost every year. I have been in Syria the last time last summer, still have alot of friends and family there.

To understand the current situation you have to look back a little. Syria has been and still is in a war with Israel over the illegal occupation of the Golan heights. The Golan heights are a very significant land part with alot of water, which is rare in the area.

Syria is a rather poor country. It is rich in history, the first alphabet of humanity was here, 5000 years before the Egyptians, invention of letters and music notes, Damascus the oldest city in the whole world etc.

But monetary wise it is not rich. It is a developing country or how its called. President Assad is a educated and very good president. I know it sounds strange, I know the 24/7 propaganda that goes on in western media.

He studied in London, in just 10 years his modernisation and economic moves saw our nations debt almost completely removed. When he took office, it was not uncommon to have network telephone or electricity off for several hours every couple of days or every day. Just very old technology. He used to say, it is very important that every Syrian understands new technology and has access to the internet, its one of the most important things for him. Nowadays Internet is in Syria, since several years now actually you can get Internet in shops or at home. You might think its nothing special, but if you knew the state of technology present not so long ago, it was a major undertaking.

While in countries like Saudi Arabia and other friends of the West woman are not even allowed to go outside without a man or drive a car, it is common in a modern muslim country like Syria for woman to be wearing no headscarf, make-up, everybody can dress like you would in the west. President Assad took care that no radical religious groups could force woman to mistreatment like in other arab countries. In some arab countries you cant even divorce. Socially the Assad family made Syria a modern country in many ways.

One of the very important things for Assad is also freedom of religion. There are about 10% Christians in Syria, there are churches, one of the oldest Christianity, Christians marry in the citys of Syria, Christmas is beeing celebrated, light decorations in the street, unlike other arab countries, Freedom of religion is beeing really supported by Assad. You will see all Christians in Syria support Assad.

There are alot of people, vast majority of people that support Assad and the peace he brought to Syria despite the grave land and air provocation by Israel. Many times the Israelli airforce flew into Syrian territory, even flying above Assads and Government houses, many nations would have started a war or reaction over this. But Assad did not respond militarily, went to the UN etc. So the vast majority of people in Syria support Assad and you see this and the many big demonstrations of hundreds of thousands of people in the streets. The West never reports on pro-Assad demonstrations, even when they are huge. I was once at a demonstration where the biggest flag in world history was layed out from city to city, just to show the world that we support our Government. Not a single report in the western world about it. But if 20 people get together and scream anti-assad slogans, its all over the western news.

Syria is a poor country, it cant afford alot of things, but the Government decided to fund goods of food. That means sugar, bread, milk, and so on gets funded by the government, if the Government would not fund food the people of Syria could not live a good life. But because of this, eating is very cheap in Syria. I can buy Chawurma for a couple for 25 krsch, if you count that into Euros, thats like 20 cent for a big sandwich. Living a good standard of living would not be possible for many Syrians without this and people are grateful for this. Luxus goods like Computers or Tablets, they dont cost less here then in Europe. Just as a comparison how the Assad government help people get along and offer stability.

People support Assad like a popstar, you see pictures of him everywhere, on walls in the city, on cars, in peoples home, he is the nations hero. But it makes a strange look to foreigners not used to people supporting there politicians, the "worshipping" looking weird perhaps. One day Assad said all these pictures of him across the citys, on big walls and other things need to go. So the Army went out and ripped off all pictures of him in all cities. A couple of weeks later slowly the people start putting pictures up again.

Now there are of course still things that are and were very wrong in Syria. You cant get out and critisize the government. Now this is a big part of Freedom agenda. People recognise this, so the first couple of protests were actually supported by the public, and it also gave Assad the opportunity to begin some reforms he was unable to do within his party. But soon the public found out what types of protests were happening. Kalashnikovs, bombs on train and bus stations, demonstrators running around destroying cars, crazy mob with no agenda, no goals, just Assad must be gone no matter what, they dont care whats best for Syria, only cared about get rid of Assad. The terrorist attacks looked very much like Al Kaida and the way the west immediately jumped to sanctions and threat of intervention quickly let the people of Syria rally together in support of Assad.

The Western Media is painting this crazy picture of Assad, but its just not true, they are looking for excuses to attack. Everytime I read one of the reports in the western media I always wonder - why does nobody else wonder - why there is always just 1 point of view in the media about the issue. Why is there never a 2 point of view presented. Why does nobody in the west ever wonder that he never hears anything about what Assad is saying. Everytime he gives a speech, the western media takes 4 words out of it, out of context and label it crazy talk. If its so crazy, why not show the people everything he said, let them judge for themselfs. Perhaps is no freedom of the press in the west. It cant be. Or why are they all dancing in line.

Everytime the Syrian Government take action in reforms and votes, it is getting ridiculed by the western media and politicians. Every Syrian knows whats going on and the treatment that is set out of for us. They are going to bomb the shit out of us and claim its for our own good. "Shock and awe us" into freedom.

You know, I have been in many countries in my life, I have traveled throughout Europe, I have been captured by hundreds of cameras in London, I have been phone tapped perhaps in the rest of Europe and opening a business is getting alot of opposing winds. If you want to experience freedom, far more then you have in Europe or USA, you should have been in Syria before the western war agenda started in Syria. In Syria you can do whatever you want, as long as you dont critisize the government, you can do anything, drive on a motorbike without a helmet, with 3 friends on it, no problem, want to open up a business, your welcome just do it, you want to stay at home smoke pot. The sense of freedom is much bigger in Syria then in whole of Europe.

Alot of reforms must be done anyway no doubt, as corruption is very high among other problems. But doing radical changes during a war time cease fire situation is impossible, especially now that the west is urging to go to war. All I can tell you is please dont believe the reasons for war your governments are selling you.

For many Syrians the conflict in Syria is mainly a conflict between the NATO against China and Russia. We are just the Arena were it happens. China and Russia is saving Syrians ass right now and we will be forever grateful for that. For if there would be no Russia and China the West would have bombed the crap out of us already. But we are here, we are save so far, we have our allies, and hopefully we have a future that continues without western imperialism. Because Russia and China knows if Syria falls, Iran falls, and then they are the next target. It is said the region in Syria is where civilization started, god willing, it will not end here.
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The Guardian report is typical of the disinformation to be expected from that disgraceful rag. I stopped reading it when this country's warmongering stance on Syria began in earnest. As for the oft-repeated claim that Israel has a long-standing grudge against Assad, that does not square with what a Guardian-reading Jewish member of the STW Coalition told me at one of their meetings. He said that he regarded Syria as a stable influence in the region, and he certainly did not see it as a threat to Israel. My own take on Israel's cowardly attacks and aggression towards its neighbour, is that Israel covets another land grab of Syrian territory. It keeps on trying to provoke a reaction towards this end, but President Assad shrewdly avoids rising to the bait.
Here is an post by our own forum member 'Syriano', from 2012. It is infinitely preferable as a synopsis of Syria's struggle against outside interference, than any article from the shameful 'Guardian'.

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I have been born and raised in Aleppo, living in Europe since 20 years. Since we have moved we have always been in Syria almost every year. I have been in Syria the last time last summer, still have alot of friends and family there.

To understand the current situation you have to look back a little. Syria has been and still is in a war with Israel over the illegal occupation of the Golan heights. The Golan heights are a very significant land part with alot of water, which is rare in the area.

Syria is a rather poor country. It is rich in history, the first alphabet of humanity was here, 5000 years before the Egyptians, invention of letters and music notes, Damascus the oldest city in the whole world etc.

But monetary wise it is not rich. It is a developing country or how its called. President Assad is a educated and very good president. I know it sounds strange, I know the 24/7 propaganda that goes on in western media.

He studied in London, in just 10 years his modernisation and economic moves saw our nations debt almost completely removed. When he took office, it was not uncommon to have network telephone or electricity off for several hours every couple of days or every day. Just very old technology. He used to say, it is very important that every Syrian understands new technology and has access to the internet, its one of the most important things for him. Nowadays Internet is in Syria, since several years now actually you can get Internet in shops or at home. You might think its nothing special, but if you knew the state of technology present not so long ago, it was a major undertaking.

While in countries like Saudi Arabia and other friends of the West woman are not even allowed to go outside without a man or drive a car, it is common in a modern muslim country like Syria for woman to be wearing no headscarf, make-up, everybody can dress like you would in the west. President Assad took care that no radical religious groups could force woman to mistreatment like in other arab countries. In some arab countries you cant even divorce. Socially the Assad family made Syria a modern country in many ways.

One of the very important things for Assad is also freedom of religion. There are about 10% Christians in Syria, there are churches, one of the oldest Christianity, Christians marry in the citys of Syria, Christmas is beeing celebrated, light decorations in the street, unlike other arab countries, Freedom of religion is beeing really supported by Assad. You will see all Christians in Syria support Assad.

There are alot of people, vast majority of people that support Assad and the peace he brought to Syria despite the grave land and air provocation by Israel. Many times the Israelli airforce flew into Syrian territory, even flying above Assads and Government houses, many nations would have started a war or reaction over this. But Assad did not respond militarily, went to the UN etc. So the vast majority of people in Syria support Assad and you see this and the many big demonstrations of hundreds of thousands of people in the streets. The West never reports on pro-Assad demonstrations, even when they are huge. I was once at a demonstration where the biggest flag in world history was layed out from city to city, just to show the world that we support our Government. Not a single report in the western world about it. But if 20 people get together and scream anti-assad slogans, its all over the western news.

Syria is a poor country, it cant afford alot of things, but the Government decided to fund goods of food. That means sugar, bread, milk, and so on gets funded by the government, if the Government would not fund food the people of Syria could not live a good life. But because of this, eating is very cheap in Syria. I can buy Chawurma for a couple for 25 krsch, if you count that into Euros, thats like 20 cent for a big sandwich. Living a good standard of living would not be possible for many Syrians without this and people are grateful for this. Luxus goods like Computers or Tablets, they dont cost less here then in Europe. Just as a comparison how the Assad government help people get along and offer stability.

People support Assad like a popstar, you see pictures of him everywhere, on walls in the city, on cars, in peoples home, he is the nations hero. But it makes a strange look to foreigners not used to people supporting there politicians, the "worshipping" looking weird perhaps. One day Assad said all these pictures of him across the citys, on big walls and other things need to go. So the Army went out and ripped off all pictures of him in all cities. A couple of weeks later slowly the people start putting pictures up again.

Now there are of course still things that are and were very wrong in Syria. You cant get out and critisize the government. Now this is a big part of Freedom agenda. People recognise this, so the first couple of protests were actually supported by the public, and it also gave Assad the opportunity to begin some reforms he was unable to do within his party. But soon the public found out what types of protests were happening. Kalashnikovs, bombs on train and bus stations, demonstrators running around destroying cars, crazy mob with no agenda, no goals, just Assad must be gone no matter what, they dont care whats best for Syria, only cared about get rid of Assad. The terrorist attacks looked very much like Al Kaida and the way the west immediately jumped to sanctions and threat of intervention quickly let the people of Syria rally together in support of Assad.

The Western Media is painting this crazy picture of Assad, but its just not true, they are looking for excuses to attack. Everytime I read one of the reports in the western media I always wonder - why does nobody else wonder - why there is always just 1 point of view in the media about the issue. Why is there never a 2 point of view presented. Why does nobody in the west ever wonder that he never hears anything about what Assad is saying. Everytime he gives a speech, the western media takes 4 words out of it, out of context and label it crazy talk. If its so crazy, why not show the people everything he said, let them judge for themselfs. Perhaps is no freedom of the press in the west. It cant be. Or why are they all dancing in line.

Everytime the Syrian Government take action in reforms and votes, it is getting ridiculed by the western media and politicians. Every Syrian knows whats going on and the treatment that is set out of for us. They are going to bomb the shit out of us and claim its for our own good. "Shock and awe us" into freedom.

You know, I have been in many countries in my life, I have traveled throughout Europe, I have been captured by hundreds of cameras in London, I have been phone tapped perhaps in the rest of Europe and opening a business is getting alot of opposing winds. If you want to experience freedom, far more then you have in Europe or USA, you should have been in Syria before the western war agenda started in Syria. In Syria you can do whatever you want, as long as you dont critisize the government, you can do anything, drive on a motorbike without a helmet, with 3 friends on it, no problem, want to open up a business, your welcome just do it, you want to stay at home smoke pot. The sense of freedom is much bigger in Syria then in whole of Europe.

Alot of reforms must be done anyway no doubt, as corruption is very high among other problems. But doing radical changes during a war time cease fire situation is impossible, especially now that the west is urging to go to war. All I can tell you is please dont believe the reasons for war your governments are selling you.

For many Syrians the conflict in Syria is mainly a conflict between the NATO against China and Russia. We are just the Arena were it happens. China and Russia is saving Syrians ass right now and we will be forever grateful for that. For if there would be no Russia and China the West would have bombed the crap out of us already. But we are here, we are save so far, we have our allies, and hopefully we have a future that continues without western imperialism. Because Russia and China knows if Syria falls, Iran falls, and then they are the next target. It is said the region in Syria is where civilization started, god willing, it will not end here.
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The Guardian is hardly pro-Israel. In fact is there a more anti-Israel national daily? They're highly critical of the US and UK governments too.
That to one side.

This gentleman no longer lives in the country and from his post last visited in 2011. Things have moved on from there.
He may think Mr Assad is wonderful, no doubt others do too, though clearly that is not a universal view in the country.

Your friend was forgetting Mr Assad's top secret Kibar nuclear facility that the Israelis bombed in 2007. Plus his (now presumably destroyed) large stockpile of chemical weapons. What did he want those for one wonders?
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Old 30-09-2015, 10:38 AM   #14
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The Guardian is hardly pro-Israel. In fact is there a more anti-Israel national daily? They're highly critical of the US and UK governments too.
That to one side.

This gentleman no longer lives in the country and from his post last visited in 2011. Things have moved on from there.
He may think Mr Assad is wonderful, no doubt others do too, though clearly that is not a universal view in the country.

Your friend was forgetting Mr Assad's top secret Kibar nuclear facility that the Israelis bombed in 2007. Plus his (now presumably destroyed) large stockpile of chemical weapons. What did he want those for one wonders?
Aint it funny that some can criticise others for suspecting they have weapons of mass destruction when they actually have them, and there seems to be some who get paid to defend these types, weird aint it ?
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Your friend was forgetting Mr Assad's top secret Kibar nuclear facility that the Israelis bombed in 2007. Plus his (now presumably destroyed) large stockpile of chemical weapons. What did he want those for one wonders?
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Aint it funny that some can criticise others for suspecting they have weapons of mass destruction when they actually have them, and there seems to be some who get paid to defend these types, weird aint it ?
Yes, no one seems to ask why Israel and America and the UK are allowed to bomb folks, yet when an apparent 'threat' begins to stockpile an armourment the Zionist think-tank goes into overdrive to draw public opinion.

Same as when Putin invaded Ukraine - the political world was outraged and forced a resolution for sanctions to be placed on Russia via the UN.

And yet when Israel encrouches more into Palestine, nothing is said or done outside of local politics - when America decide to bomb the bejusus out of Afghanistan / Iraq etc, it is all justified by the same Zionist think-tank.

The western adinistrations seem to drive toward demonising one while they are doing exactly the same thing, and worse.

It is a common theme that those with the biggest sticks don't like anyone else to have a stick.

We need to rid the world of sticks - but doing it with a big stick is not the way.

Forcing someone to disarm while you retain arms is a folly that has locked the world into terror for centuries.

You can not war for peace.

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Old 30-09-2015, 01:22 PM   #16
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Aint it funny that some can criticise others for suspecting they have weapons of mass destruction when they actually have them, and there seems to be some who get paid to defend these types, weird aint it ?
What point are you making? Assad did have such weapons, have you forgotten the Ghouta chemical attack? That led on to Assad agreeing to give up his stock of chemical weapons to avoid the US and UK bombing him
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallel...a-war-rages-on

I would agree with you in that, in an ideal world everyone would live peacefully together and there'd be no need for armies or weapons or bombs, but unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world.

It (possessing WMD) is a very emotive issue. None under any circumstances, or justified as an 'absolute last resort' deterrent ... a matter of conjecture, but either way nobody wants them actually used in conflict on the battlefield.

If, as the weight of evidence suggests, Mr Assad did actually use them in Ghouta - and considering the Jihadis were gaining ground all across Syria i.e. they could have fallen into their hands - it was a very good thing the West talked Mr Assad into surrendering them.
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Yes, no one seems to ask why Israel and America and the UK are allowed to bomb folks, yet when an apparent 'threat' begins to stockpile an armourment the Zionist think-tank goes into overdrive to draw public opinion.

Same as when Putin invaded Ukraine - the political world was outraged and forced a resolution for sanctions to be placed on Russia via the UN.

And yet when Israel encrouches more into Palestine, nothing is said or done outside of local politics - when America decide to bomb the bejusus out of Afghanistan / Iraq etc, it is all justified by the same Zionist think-tank.

The western adinistrations seem to drive toward demonising one while they are doing exactly the same thing, and worse.

It is a common theme that those with the biggest sticks don't like anyone else to have a stick.

We need to rid the world of sticks - but doing it with a big stick is not the way.

Forcing someone to disarm while you retain arms is a folly that has locked the world into terror for centuries.

You can not war for peace.
I would agree with you on that. The ordinary man in the street doesn't want to go round starting wars, it's politicians and those with political/religious hate agendas who do that.
We're all human beings. We all share a common humanity. There's no reason why we can't all learn to co-operate and live peacefully together.
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What point are you making? Assad did have such weapons, have you forgotten the Ghouta chemical attack? That led on to Assad agreeing to give up his stock of chemical weapons to avoid the US and UK bombing him
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallel...a-war-rages-on

I would agree with you in that, in an ideal world everyone would live peacefully together and there'd be no need for armies or weapons or bombs, but unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world.

It (possessing WMD) is a very emotive issue. None under any circumstances, or justified as an 'absolute last resort' deterrent ... a matter of conjecture, but either way nobody wants them actually used in conflict on the battlefield.

If, as the weight of evidence suggests, Mr Assad did actually use them in Ghouta - and considering the Jihadis were gaining ground all across Syria i.e. they could have fallen into their hands - it was a very good thing the West talked Mr Assad into surrendering them.
Syria had every right to posses chemical weapons as they were the only major deterrent against, and most likely stopped any Zionist invasion of the country. With the Russians now bolstering Syria,s air defence systems and setting up air and sea bases in the country, the chemical weapon deterrent became more of a liability and became unnecessary. (especially with all these false flags going on


As for Gouta, some reading for you

https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.co.../report-44706/

http://whoghouta.blogspot.ie/2013/11...onclusion.html
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Syria had every right to posses chemical weapons as they were the only major deterrent against, and most likely stopped any Zionist invasion of the country. With the Russians now bolstering Syria,s air defence systems and setting up air and sea bases in the country, the chemical weapon deterrent became more of a liability and became unnecessary. (especially with all these false flags going on


As for Gouta, some reading for you

https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.co.../report-44706/

http://whoghouta.blogspot.ie/2013/11...onclusion.html
What happened (Ghouta) is open to debate.

I can't think of any logical reason for Israel to want to invade Syria.
That they annexed the Golan Heights is understandable from a military point of view, given that whoever holds the Golan has the whole of Northern Israel in their sights.
The Israelis had the opportunity to advance on Damascus in the 1973 war, also Cairo, but refrained from doing so.

The Russian naval base has been there since 1971.

Going back to the topic. The real culprits are Qatar, Turkey - and Saudi Arabia, whose militant Wahhabist agenda has fuelled the global Jihadist movement.
And one look at the map ... the Turks could have tank divisions in Raqqa by nightfall if they so wished.

It's not black and white, but clearly a host of parties have a vested interest in the mayhem continuing.
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What happened (Ghouta) is open to debate.

I can't think of any logical reason for Israel to want to invade Syria.
That they annexed the Golan Heights is understandable from a military point of view, given that whoever holds the Golan has the whole of Northern Israel in their sights.
The Israelis had the opportunity to advance on Damascus in the 1973 war, also Cairo, but refrained from doing so.

The Russian naval base has been there since 1971.

Going back to the topic. The real culprits are Qatar, Turkey - and Saudi Arabia, whose militant Wahhabist agenda has fuelled the global Jihadist movement.
And one look at the map ... the Turks could have tank divisions in Raqqa by nightfall if they so wished.

It's not black and white, but clearly a host of parties have a vested interest in the mayhem continuing.

The intervention of Russia and installation of probably the worlds most sophisticated air defence systems within Syria, lead me to doubt very much if the Turks would reach Raqqa before nightfall. Remember with the recent seizure of Crimea,, and Armenia and Iran now firm allies, Russia has Turkey more or less surrounded

I still go with this as the main reason for the conflict

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/n...ines-politics/



So if no pro dollar pipeline runs through Syria soon, Europe could be paying for its gas in NON dollars in the very near future, fiat ponzi is fucked really, unless they take down Damascus.

Good luck with that

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