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Old 26-03-2018, 09:16 PM   #41
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You'd rather have the stress of having to hold down an absolutely mind-numbing job rather than just have the money instead?

My experience of the workplace has been extremely negative, I've had to spend most of the day around people I found to be intensely unlikable, and do mind-numbing high-stress nonsense for low pay, even though I graduated from a Russel Group University.

The sooner the majority of work is automated the better as far as I'm concerned.
I didn’t say anything about the jobs being mind-numbing. Yes, the workplace as we know it today is an extremely negative and high stress. As you say, the people found in the work place are commonly and frequently intensly dislikeable.

But jobs don’t have to be horrible. There are useful jobs that need doing. It’s just that no one gets paid to do those, but paid they could be. There are many jobs we need people to do. Countless numbers of them.

As for automation, that’s a white elephant. Mass production is terrible. Things can still be produced in appropiate quantity without expoitation. And if things were designed to last...

And we need to forget about “hi tech” solutions for everything. Not everything needs to be computer controlled. Not everything has to be electronic in order for it to work. Not everything needs to be super small or super thin in order to be useful.
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Old 26-03-2018, 11:25 PM   #42
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The snag with basic income is that it is going to be the carrot that the cabal use to make you completely dependent on the state

once you are eating from their hand you are their slave

once you are dependent on them and they are no longer dependent on your labour you are no longer required. The 5G SMART grid can then be used to kill you off quietly
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Old 30-03-2018, 02:04 PM   #43
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A pro-UBI member of Demos was DAVID WILD, on the advisory board of "Demos Quarterly" journal, in which he lauded a CITIZEN'S INCOME (July 18th 2014).

Demos co-founder Geoff Mulgan has given TED talks and trained as a Buddhist monk. He was Chief Executive of the innovation charity NESTA (initially a British Government QUANGO), of which a UBI fan is PETER MCCOLL, who headed NESTA's policy/research in Scotland and has been heavily involved in the political transformation of Scotland in the 21st century. Scotland was set to implement UBI trials in 2018.

The next influential member of the UBI fan club is the WEF (World Economic Forum) founder KLAUS SCHWAB, an ex-BILDERBERG steering committee member and involved in UN agencies. Schwab described UBI in 2017 as "basically plausible". A WEF attendee, ERICA KOCHI, supports UBI and was co-chair of the WEF's GLOBAL FUTURE COUNCIL ON HUMAN RIGHTS. Kochi co-founded UNICEF's Innovation Unit.

Another UBI 'groupie' is the 'rock-star of Europe's anti-austerity uprising' (according to "The Telegraph", Feb 2015): YANIS VAROUFAKIS, the former Greek Finance minister who claimed that capitalism is making itself obsolete, spurred on by AI. Ever since Varoufakis resigned as Greece's Finance Minister in 2015 he has shot to prominence with books and TV appearances. Part 15 below.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:32 PM   #44
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Yanis Varoufakis is a 'centrist' or '3rd way' politician (i.e. left and right merger). He warned that capitalism would "eat Democracy" unless action is taken. He wanted – he said – a world that is simultaneously libertarian, Marxist, and Keynesian. He appeared on BBC1 in 2017 on its' political debate show "Question Time" (30th Nov 2017). He was a columnist for the aforementioned PROJECT SYNDICATE (Soros and Gates funded), as were 2 notables: the UBI fan and Nobel Prize Winner JOSEPH STIGLITZ ( WORLD BANK Chief Economist); and an ally of Varoufakis: the UN Secretary-General Adviser JEFFREY SACHS, the Director of the EARTH INSTITUTE.

Varoufakis has moved in high circles but rejected conspiracy theories, saying instead that all the people that he dealt with (e.g. the IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde) were neither saints nor sinners, just well-meaning people struggling to deal with a fast-paced, complicated world. See his book "Adults In The Room". He denied the accusation that he was a stooge of George Soros, who had agreed with Yanis and his proposals on Greece. Yanis regarded critics of Soros as mostly anti-semitic, Right wingers.

Varoufakis spoke on UBI and other issues with the famous linguistic professor and Left leaning social commentator NOAM CHOMSKY, who advocated 'libertarian socialism' (more 3rd way thinking). Chomsky worked at MIT where he was funded by the US Military (Pentagon), though he maintains that they didn't affect his work. Chomsky joined an organisation co-founded by Varoufakis: DIEM 25 (DEMOCRACY IN EUROPE MOVEMENT 2025, intended to create a supposedly democratic European parliament. DIEM 25 advisers included:
Wikileaks founder JULIAN ASSANGE; JOHN MCDONNELL (Labour Party Shadow Chancellor and UBI supporter); British Green Party leader CAROLINE LUCAS (UBI fan); NAOMI KLEIN (social activist and pro- UBI); JAMES K. GALBRAITH (friend and ally of Yanis; American economist, son of renowned economist JOHN K. GALBRAITH). Part 16 below.
Part 16 below.
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Varoufakis and James Galbraith teamed up with the ex-Labour Party MP STUART HOLLAND to formulate a plan for resolving the Greek economic crisis. Varoufakis and Holland co-authored "The Modest Proposal" to fix the European Monetary Union's structural crisis. Holland served as an adviser to the EUROPEAN COMMISSION President JACQUES DELORS. Holland wanted a WORLD DEVELOPMENT ORGANISATION.

Varoufakis proposed the need for a new global financial system with a common currency managed by the IMF. He gave that currency a fictional name: the KOSMOS.

Varoufakis listed some of his friends/allies in his book "Adults In The Room", e.g. the ex-British Chancellor of the Exchequer NORMAN LAMONT (worked at N.M Rothschild bank) and the WORLD BANK Chief Economist LARRY SUMMERS who acted as a long time mentor to the FACEBOOK COO Sheryl Sandberg, initially at Harvard University, then the World Bank, then again in the Clinton government when Summers was Treasury Secretary.

Yanis Varoufakis was born in Greece but moved to Britain. His father was chairman of a major steel producer in Greece. Yanis Varoufakis became economic adviser to the Socialist leader of the Opposition in Greece: GEORGE PAPANDREOU, who would eventually become Prime Minister. Papandreou is a CLUB OF MADRID member, as is BILL CLINTON, MIKHAIL GORBACHEV (Ex-Russian leader), MARY ROBINSON (see above), ROMANO PRODI (ex-EUROPEAN COMMISSION President), ANTONIO GUTERRES (UN Secretary General).

Guterres and Papandreou were both President of SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL, the worldwide association of political parties seeking democratic socialism. Guterres and Papandreou both belonged to the ECFR (EUROPEAN COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS), founded with money from George Soros' OPEN SOCIETY FOUNDATIONS. The ECFR's founder MARK LEONARD wrote for PROJECT SYNDICATE. Part 17 below.
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Old 10-04-2018, 05:20 PM   #46
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That's exactly right! All you have to do is look at all the degenerates on welfare where their only occupation is making babies.
What's the difference between an unemployed mother raising children with a man in the home and an unemployed woman raising children with a man outside the home? The woman with no man in the home no matter how dedicated a mother she is gets called a degenerate and the children are considered inferior.

Daycares are not a superior way to raise children and there are bad parents in all classes, the better off married ones just don't have a microscope on their lives. They can shuffle their children off to tutoring classes, counselling, rehabs and still put on a good appearance.

I live in a mixed neighbourhood and have worked in the schools.
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Old 10-04-2018, 11:31 PM   #47
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What's the difference between an unemployed mother raising children with a man in the home and an unemployed woman raising children with a man outside the home? The woman with no man in the home no matter how dedicated a mother she is gets called a degenerate and the children are considered inferior.
The only thing wrong with that is both are relying on government handouts to live. At one time I could barely make it on my own let alone if I had kids. Here in the state of Kansas minimum wage is still $7.50 an hour. Who can live on that by themselves let alone a family of 3 or 5? People don't THINK before the F !

Today it's all about economics. There are currently 47 million Americans relying on government handouts to live. It's just plain stupid to have children these days especially if you're someone without jobs skills- which I would guess comprises most people on welfare.

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This filth has now been suggested by the leader of the Australian Greens.
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Yanis Faroufakis and Noam Chomsky both endorsed the pro-UBI book "No Is Not Enough" (2017) by the DIEM 25 adviser NAOMI KLEIN, a left leaning Green activist and anti-Trump. She was invited by the Catholic Vatican to a conference on climate change in 2015, all part of Pope Francis' pro-Climate Change stance.

Varoufakis has been a newspaper columnist for the British centre-left newspaper "The Guardian", in which he wrote in 2017 of his support for the future French President EMMANUEL MACRON, a centrist, 3rd way, politician who worked for a Rothschild bank (French branch). Varoufakis' book "Adults In The Room" received praise from his fellow "The Guardian" journalist PAUL MASON, yet another BIG/UBI advocate. Mason moved from the far left to the centre left. He wants 'radical social democracy'. Mason edited mainstream TV news programmes, e.g. Economics Editor at BBC2's "Newsnight" and at "Channel 4 News". His first live appearance on "Newsnight" was on 9/11. He supported Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Paul Mason endorsed a manifesto for a 'post-capitalist future': the pro-UBI book "Inventing The Future" (2015), which proposed a reduced working week and full automation of labour. Its' co-author NICK SRNICEK got a PhD from the LSE. Part 18 below.
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