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Old 08-10-2012, 04:05 PM   #21
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What can never be denied is that the Jewish people are so incredibly talented. apart from their musicians, culture, scientists, writers and inventors they have taken a stony desert and created a garden. They just happen to be brilliant soldiers too. And of course business men. Their success upsets many but having worked with them for many years I can see it is a mixture of charm and hard work that achieves this. They are also of course the greatest peacemakers and if Jesus had been a real person it would be no surprise that he was Jewish.

My heroine is the journalist Amira Hass and I want to highlight her life as she is perhaps in the most difficult position, but also the very best to comment on matters relating to the Werst bank and the Palestinians. I feel that any support we can offer her goes directly to making peace and opening eyes.

" Amira Hass (Hebrew: עמירה הס‎; born 28 June 1956) is an Israeli left-wing journalist and author, mostly known for her columns in the daily newspaper Ha'aretz. She is particularly recognized for her reporting on Palestinian affairs in the West Bank and Gaza, where she has also lived for a number of years.

The daughter of two Holocaust survivors, Hass is the only child of a Sarajevo-born Jewish mother, who survived nine months in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, and a Romanian-born Jewish father. Hass was born in Jerusalem, and was educated at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, where she studied the history of Nazism and the European Left's relation to the Holocaust. Early in her career, she traveled widely and worked in several different jobs.

For some years during the 1980s, Hass lived in Amsterdam, being married to a Dutchman. She spoke fluent Dutch and was involved with various Left-wing, Feminist and Jewish dissident groups. However, her marriage broke down and she returned to Israel.

Until 1989, Hass wrote occasionally for low-circulation left-wing magazines, but was not known to the general public. Her journalistic career was launched due to the Romanian Revolution of 1989. Ha'aretz looked urgently for a reporter to go to Romania and cover the unfolding events. Amira Hass had a cultural Romanian background and some knowledge of the language, and was willing to take the assignment at very short notice. Her series of in-depth reports from Romania got wide attention and gained her a job as a regular staff editor for Ha'aretz.

Frustrated by the events of the First Intifada and by what she considered their inadequate coverage in the Israeli media, she started to report from the Palestinian territories in 1991. As of 2003, she is the only Jewish Israeli journalist who has lived full-time among the Palestinians, in Gaza from 1993 and in Ramallah from 1997. On various occasions she stated her opinion that "Just as reporting about England should be from London and about France from Paris, so reporting about Palestine should be from Palestine".

Hass was the recipient of the World Press Freedom Hero award from the International Press Institute in 2000, the Bruno Kreisky Human Rights Award in 2002, the UNESCO/Guillermo Cano World Press Freedom Prize in 2003, the inaugural award from the Anna Lindh Memorial Fund in 2004 and Hrant Dink Memorial Award in 2009.

Her reporting is generally sympathetic to the Palestinian point of view and critical of Israeli government policy towards the Palestinians. During the years of the Al-Aqsa Intifada, however, Hass published several highly critical articles about the chaos and disorder caused by militias associated with the Fatah party of Yasser Arafat and the bloody war between Palestinian factions in Nablus.

Her reportage of events, and her voicing of opinions that run counter to both official Israeli and Palestinian positions has exposed Hass to verbal attacks, and opposition from both the Israeli and Palestinian authorities. Recently she compared Israeli policies towards the Palestinian population to those of South Africa during Apartheid, saying:

'The Palestinians, as a people, are divided into subgroups, something which is reminiscent also of South Africa under apartheid rule'

In June 2001, Judge Rachel Shalev-Gartel of the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court ruled that Hass had defamed the Jewish settler community of Beit Hadassah in Hebron, and ordered her to pay 250,000 shekels (about $60,000) in damages. Hass had published accounts, which the court found to be false based on several televised accounts of the incident, by Palestinians that claimed Israeli settlers defiled the body of a Palestinian militant killed by Israeli police; the settlers stated that the event did not take place, and that Hass reported the story with malicious intent. The presiding judge found in favour of the settlers, and said that the report damaged the community’s reputation. Ha'aretz indicated that it did not have time to arrange a defense in the case, and announced that it would appeal the decision. Hass noted that she had brought forward sourced information from the Palestinian community, and said that it was the responsibility of newspaper editors to cross-reference it with other information from the IDF and the settler community.

On 1 December 2008, Hass, who had traveled to Gaza aboard a protest vessel, was arrested by Israeli police on her return to Israel for being in Gaza without a permit.

After residing in the Gaza Strip for several months, Hass was again arrested by Israeli police upon her return to Israel on 12 May 2009 "for violating a law which forbids residence in an enemy state."


On 27 June 2001, Hass received the Golden Dove of Peace Prize awarded by the Rome-based organization Archivo Disarmo.

On 20 October 2009, Hass received the Lifetime Achievement Award from the International Women's Media Foundation.

In December 2009 she was awarded the Reporters Without Borders Prize for Press Freedom "for her independent and outspoken reporting from the Gaza Strip for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz during Operation Cast Lead, the offensive which Israel waged against the territory from 27 December 2008 to 18 January 2009."

Drinking the Sea at Gaza: Days and Nights in a Land under Siege (Owl Books, 2000) ISBN 0-8050-5740-4
(with Rachel Leah Jones) Reporting from Ramallah: An Israeli Journalist in an Occupied Land (Semiotext(e), 2003) ISBN 1-58435-019-9
Diary of Bergen-Belsen: 1944-1945 (Haymarket Books, 2009) ISBN 978-1-931859-87-5 ... a new English language translation of her Sephardi Yugoslav mother Hanna Levy-Hass' 1946 memoir, with addition of Hass' fore- and after-words." wikipedia

Who reading that cannot see hope for these peoples living together peacefully. I hope the Nobel Peace Prize panel are aware of her efforts.

It is not necessary to construct a fabricated history, nor a fabricated religion, nor bully the world's media for favourable coverage when you are beautiful and talented. All the western nations seem to have leaders who are far removed from their own people. They do not appear so far removed when standing for election but there is not one person in the UK Parliament that truly represents the poor, nor probably in the US. Surely the poor and unemployed should have their own representatives speaking for them. And so should the ones who want peace. Our leaders are forever rattling their sabres and threatening war.

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Old 08-10-2012, 07:27 PM   #22
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Before 1000BC the Greek people had a God named Zeus. His name was taken from the Indo European Sky God Dious or Dyeus who was married to Mother Earth and was called the father of the Gods. He had many children considered divine. As father of the Gods he was also called Dious Pater. In Latin deus means God and pater means father. The chief God for the Romans was Jupiter, but they called him Iove or Jove. Jupiter is also the father of the Jews. His name is in Jeudi, or Thursday.

One of the Hebrew names for God is Yahweh also called Jehovah. In fact on Temple Mount in Jerusalem when the last Temple was pulled down the Romans built a Temple to Jove there. Almost without doubt they are the same God. The Hebrews had other names for God. One was El, from which Allah possibly derives. El is equated with Kronos or Saturn, who was overthrown by his son Zeus/Jupiter.

Jupiter is also called Jupiter Ammon to link him with the Ancient Egyptian God Amen/Amon. As is the Ancient Egyptian God Re, father of Osiris, Sutekh,Isis, Nepthys and Horus and later called Ra Amun. And the Romans also called him Iuppiter Lapis - the Jupiter Stone on which oaths were made.

However the ancestors of the Hebrews - the Horites or Hyksos (Shepherd Kings) brought a God with them to Egypt called Horus and he was the God of War. His first war was against the Egyptian God Sutekh or Set. But at some time the Hyksos adopted Sutekh as their own God. In the ancient theologies one god was constantly superceded by another as countries were conquered or times changed.

To complicate things further one God might have many attributes and other names. But usually there was a bitter struggle between the War God and the agricultural or fertility gods like Sutekh and Min. These struggles are written into the histories of the Gods.

In Egypt the God Osiris was overthrown by Sutekh who was overthrown by Horus. In Greece Ouranos was overthrown by Cronos who was overthrown by Zeus. Castration was usually involved as with all the Greek and Egyptian gods. Castration or circumcision.

But the war god Horus was not really a god like the others. He appeared at the time of the fallen angels and is their leader, also called Azazel among other names. One way of telling this one is through the wars that always accompany him. He is symbolised by the hawk. His followers were riders of ‘horses’ or had chariots. The Hurrians were a nation named for him too.

Ancient Egypt would not be what it became without Horus, also called Montu. Jupiter was also associated with his son Mars and of course Mars or Aries is the supreme war god. The Romans were warriors and invaded the world. But it was not always so. The Roman writer Ovid wrote of a golden age, an agricultural age which preceded the silver age of Jupiter and the ‘tawdry Bronze Age’ that followed,. He did not write about the subsequent iron age when swords were even stronger but that was the age of Mars. We are in the plutonium age and dont know where to put it.

The promised land was one running with milk and honey, an agricultural paradise really. It was perhaps the garden of Eden. But when the warriors took over such a world could not survive - if it existed it was invaded. Legends tell of hidden valleys in Tibet but they are mythical.

But if we ever attain our higher states, or regain them I should say, we will once again live in an agricultural fertile world which is not patrolled by soldiers and drones. War does not feed populations, it reduces them so that the few left can eat. Most ancient wars devastated crops, and if it did not they were plundered.

It matters who your God is. Amen was a nice god, the god of poor people. Jupiter was the God of the State. The most ancient cultures from around 7000BC and before worshipped Mother Earth. As we now need to put her first to survive it would be as well for religions to put their godlets away and restore this Mother. Mohammed had her thrown out of the Kaaba. The Romans had her sitting next to Jove at one time but not for long . Christianity relegated Mary to a tiny part in the story. And the Hebrews do not have a female Goddess at all. Whether we call her Isis, Mary, Sita or Gaia we need to pay attention to her now. But something must be done about the hawks - they are out of time and have taken over the whole world. Very dangerous MEN. How do we get them to stand down before they destroy us all?

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Old 09-10-2012, 10:38 AM   #23
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If Haaretz are right the IAEA now think the uranium is being enriched for medical purposes and that Mitt Romney dioes not think there will have to be an invasion of Iran. Furthermore they do not think Israel will do that this autumn. Almost too much to believe but the most important thing to me is that Mr Romney can backtrack if he needs to and is a thinking man.

He does add that he would arm the Syrian rebels and although it is a small quibble I would argue against that. Is it not a wonderful world where insignificant creatures loike me can even dare to write the names of the mighty and powerful men who will never meet us or think of us, and even offer advice!

The thing is this. Had the International Criminal Court existed in the 30's and been subscribed to by most nations, we could have arrested and tried Mr Hitler and Mr Himmler long before they did any genocidal damage. Now we could arrest Mr Assad and put him on trial while Syria changed its leadership and some of its policies without too much harm being done. I believe that countries would be only too happy to hand over their despots and have a clean slate. But arming gangs will see many innocents killed in revenge attacks. No one's hands are clean.

The US will not sign up to the ICC - it would mean perhaps that Bush and Blair might have to answer awkward questions. It would also mean that drones could not kill civilains without some accountability, either on the ground or at the top. It is difficult but the ICC could alter everything as it is so often one bad egg at the top that no one can do anything about in their own country. But that is the real answer to most wars.

As it is a perfect autumn morning in Scotland I am inclined to celebrate with coffee ground for me by a firm that is 162 years old. If we could protect our little businesses from the multi nationals it would be good.

I am now hoping that president Obama will try to outdo Mitt on the Peace stakes

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Old 09-10-2012, 03:10 PM   #24
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I still maintain that religion is the source iof most conflict. The Bible is contradictory which does not help:

1.God of Peace (Isaiah 2:4) - "And He will judge between the nations, and will render decisions for many peoples; and they will hammer their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war."

2.God of War(Exodus 15:3) - "The Lord is a warrior; the Lord is His name."
(Joel 3:9-10) - "Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare a war; rouse the mighty men! Let all the soldiers draw near, let them come up! Beat your plowshares into swords, 10And your pruning hooks into spears; Let the weak say, “I am a mighty man.”

It is hard to find a God or Goddess of Peace, but there are many of War. In Rome they had 'Pax' who was taken from the Greek Irene. But little is written about either of them - minor deities. I doubt if many reading have ever heard of Eirene!

This is all wiki can find to say about her - note her statue is broken/missing:

" Eirene, or Irene ( /aɪˈriːni/; Ancient Greek: Εἰρήνη [eːrɛ́ːnɛː]; Greek for "peace"; the Roman equivalent was Pax), one of the Horae*, was the personification of peace, and was depicted in art as a beautiful young woman carrying a cornucopia, sceptre and a torch or rhyton. She is said sometimes to be the daughter of Zeus and Themis.

She was particularly well regarded by the citizens of Athens. After a naval victory over Sparta in 375 BC, the Athenians established a cult for Eirene, erecting altars to her. They held an annual state sacrifice to her after 371 BC to commemorate the Common Peace of that year and set up a votive statue in her honour in the Agora of Athens. The statue was executed in bronze by Cephisodotus the Elder, the father of the famous sculptor Praxiteles. It was acclaimed by the Athenians, who depicted it on vases and coins.

Although the statue is now lost, it was copied in marble by the Romans; one of the best surviving copies (right) is in the Munich Glyptothek. It depicts the goddess carrying a child with her left arm – Ploutos, the god of plenty and son of Demeter, the goddess of agriculture. Eirene's missing right hand once held a sceptre. She is shown gazing maternally at Ploutos, who is looking back at her trustingly. The statue is an allegory for Plenty (Ploutos) prospering under the protection of Peace (Eirene); it constituted a public appeal to good sense. The copy in the Glyptothek was originally in the collection of the Villa Albani in Rome but was looted and taken to France by Napoleon I. Following Napoleon's fall, the statue was bought by Ludwig I of Bavaria."

What I would note is that she is very similar to Isis with her little war god, Horus, sitting on her knee.

* Horae wre the hours - she does not get much time devoted to her!

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Here is a play written about Eirene around 400BC. I have not posted it all as it is quite long. It is as relevant as ever ikt was.

Aristophanes, Peace 205 ff (trans. O'Neill)

Polemos (War) traps Eirene (Irene, Peace) in a pit:
Hermes: Because of their wrath against the Greeks, they [the gods] have located Polemos (Daimon of War) in the house they occupied themselves and have given him full power to do with you exactly as he pleases; then they went as high up as ever they could, so as to see no more of your fights and to hear no more of your prayers.
Trygaios: What reason have they for treating us so?
Hermes: Because they have afforded you an opportunity for peace more than once, but you have always preferred war . . . So that I don't know whether you will ever see Eirene (Peace) again.
Trygaios: Why, where has she gone to then?
Hermes: Polemos (War) has cast her into a deep pit.
Trygaios: Where?
Hermes: Down there, at the very bottom. And you see what heaps of stones he has piled over the top, so that you should never pull her out again . . .
Trygaios (coming out of his hiding-place): . . . Now, oh Greeks! is the moment when freed of quarrels and fighting, we should rescue sweet Eirene (Peace) and draw her out of this pit, before some other pestle prevents us. Come, labourers, merchants, workmen, artisans, strangers, whether you be domiciled or not, islanders, come here, Greeks of all countries, come hurrying here with picks and levers and ropes! This is the moment to drain a cup in honour of the Agathos Daimon (Good Genius).
(The Chorus enters; it consists of labourers and farmers from various Greek states.)
Leader of the Chorus: Come hither all! quick, to the rescue! All peoples of Greece, now is the time or never, for you to help each other. You see yourselves freed from battles and all their horrors of bloodshed. The day hateful to Lamakhos has come. (To Trygaios) Come then, what must be done? Give your orders, direct us, for or swear to work this day without ceasing, until with the help of our levers and our engines we have drawn back into light the greatest of all goddesses [Eirene goddess of peace], her to whom the olive is so dear . . .
Trygaios: Silence! if Polemos (Daimon of War) should hear your shouts of joy he would bound forth from his retreat in fury.
Leader of the Chorus: Such a decree overwhelms us with joy; how different to the edict, which bade us muster with provisions for three days.
Trygaios: Let us beware lest the cursed Kerberos (Cerberus) prevent us even from the nethermost hell from delivering the goddess by his furious howling, just as he did when on earth.
Leader of the Chorus: Once we have hold of her, none in the world will be able to take her from us. Huzza! huzza!"

Eirene (Peace) is rescued from the pit where she had been trapped by Polemos (War):]
Chorus: Come then, all together! Heave away, heave! Heave away, heave! Heave away, heave! Heave away, heave! Heave away, heave! All together!
Eirene (Peace) is drawn out of the pit. With her come Opora (Late-Summer) and Theoria (Embassy).
Trygaios: Oh! venerated goddess, who givest us our grapes [Opora, late summer-summer], where am I to find the ten-thousand-gallon words wherewith to greet thee? I have none such at home. Oh! hail to thee, Opora, and thee, Theoria! How beautiful is thy face! How sweet thy breath! What gentle fragrance comes from thy bosom, gentle as freedom from military duty, as the most dainty perfumes! . . .
Trygaios: Listen, good folk! Let the husbandmen take their farming tools and return to their fields as quickly as possible, but without either sword, spear or javelin. All is as quiet as if Eirene (Peace) had been reigning for a century. Come, let everyone go and till the earth, singing the Paian (Paean)
Leader of the Chorus (to Eirene): Oh, thou, whom men of standing desired and who art good to husbandmen, I have gazed upon thee with delight; and now I go to greet my vines, to caress after so long an absence the fig trees I planted in my youth.
Trygaios: See, how their iron spades glitter and how beautifully their three-pronged mattocks glisten in the sun! How regularly they align the plants! I also burn to go into the country and to turn over the earth I have so long neglected.--Friends, do you remember the happy life that Eirene (Peace) afforded us formerly; can you recall the splendid baskets of figs, both fresh and dried, the myrtles, the sweet wine, the violets blooming near the spring, and the olives, for which we have wept so much? Worship, adore the goddess for restoring you so many blessings.
Chorus (singing): Hail! hail! thou beloved divinity! thy return overwhelms us with joy. When far from thee, my ardent wish to see my fields again made me pine with regret. From thee came all blessings. Oh! much desired Eirene (Peace)! thou art the sole support of those who spend their lives tilling the earth. Under thy rule we had a thousand delicious enjoyments at our beck; thou wert the husbandman's wheaten cake and his safeguard. So that our vineyards, our young fig-tree woods and all our plantations hail thee with delight and smile at thy coming . . . [it was through the actions of man that peace was driven away and war gained supremacy]
Trygaios: . . . (To Eirene) Oh! venerated Goddess! why art thou silent?
Hermes: And how could she speak to the spectators? She is too angry at all that they have made her suffer.
Trygaios: At least let her speak a little to you, Hermes.
Hermes: Tell me, my dear, what are your feelings with regard to them? Come, you relentless foe of all bucklers, speak; I am listening to you. (Eirene whispers into Hermes' ear.) Is that your grievance against them? Yes, yes, I understand. Hearken, you folk, this is her complaint. She says, that after the affair of Pylos she came to you unbidden to bring you a basket full of truces and that you thrice repulsed her by your votes in the assembly."
Aristophanes, Peace 965 ff :
"[After the release of Eirene (Peace) from the pit, sacrifices are prepared in her honour:] Trygaios (to the Servant who has returned with a sheep and a vase of water): Come, seize the basket and take the lustral water and hurry to circle round the altar [of Eirene] to the right.
Servant: There! that's done. What is your next bidding?
Trygaios: Wait. I take this fire-brand first and plunge it into the water. Now quick, quick, you sprinkle the altar. Give me some barley-seed, purify yourself and hand me the basin; then scatter the rest of the barley among the audience.
Servant: Done.
Trygaios: You have thrown it?
Servant: Yes, by Hermes! and all the spectators have had their share.
Trygaios: At least the women got none.
Servant: Oh! their husbands will give them some this evening.
Trygaios: Let us pray! Who is here? Are there any good men?
Servant: Come, give me the water, so that I may sprinkle these people. Faith! they are indeed good, brave men. (He throws the lustral water on hem.)
Trygaios: You believe so?
Servant: I am sure, and the proof of it is that we have flooded them with lustral water and they have not budged an inch.
Trygaios: Let us pray, then, as soon as we can.
Servant: Yes, let us pray.
Trygaios: Oh! Eirene (Peace), mighty queen, venerated goddess, thou, who presidest over Choruses and at nuptials, deign to accept the sacrifices we offer thee.
Servant: Receive it, greatly honoured mistress, and behave not like the courtesans, who half open the door to entice the gallants, draw back when they are stared at, to return once more if a man passes on. But do not thou act like this to us.
Trygaios: No, but like an honest woman, show thyself to thy worshippers, who are worn with regretting thee all these thirteen years. Hush the noise of battle, be a true Lysimakha (Lysimache) to us. Put an end to this tittle-tattle, to this idle babble, that set us defying one another. Cause the Greeks once more to taste the pleasant beverage of friendship and temper all hearts with the gentle feeling of forgiveness. Make excellent commodities flow to our markets, fine heads of garlic, early cucumbers, apples, pomegranates and nice little cloaks for the slaves; make them bring geese, ducks, pigeons and larks from Boiotia and baskets of eels from Lake Kopais (Copais); we shall all rush to buy them, disputing their possession with Morykhos (Morychus), Teleas, Glauketes and every other glutton. Melanthios will arrive on the market last of all; they'll say, ‘no more eels, all sold!’ and then he'll start groaning and exclaiming as in his monologue of Medea, ‘I am dying, I am dying! Alas! I have let those hidden in the beet escape me!’ And won't we laugh? These are the wishes, mighty goddess, which we pray thee to grant. (To the Servant) Take the knife and slaughter the sheep like a finished cook.
Servant: No, the goddess does not wish it.
Trygaios: And why not?
Servant: Blood cannot please Eirene (Peace), so let us spill none upon her altar.

Note she does not like blood sacrifices and is not very happy at her treatment. It seems she will speak to Hermes (Thoth) but no one else as a result.

Polemos is then one from whom we get the word polemic, and his wife gives us the word hubris:

“In Greek mythology, Polemos (Πόλεμος; "war") the Daemon or god of war (possibly civil battle), brother of Enyo and the father of Alala, goddess of the war-cry.
He was said to be a part of the company of war spirits which haunted the battlefield. They include his daughter Alala, the Makhai, the Hysminai, the Androktasiai, the Phonoi, Enyo, Eris, Ares, and the Keres.
In a fable by Aesop Polemos marries Hybris, female personification of arrogance and impertinence

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I counted 136 War Gods and Goddesses in this partial list on wikipedia:

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There i was thinking of Eirene being rescued from her pit and the Jerusalem Post brings me back to the chilling reality. Two noticeable facts have emerged according to the Post just now. Firstly the Prime Minister of Israel is dissolving Knesset (Parliament) so that quick elections can be held in February. He says this is about the Budget, so we cannot think it is about bombing Iran in the next few weeks. But the Post also says that after Mitt Romney wiped the floor with Obama and branded him too weak to manage the Middle East, the US and Israel yesterday discussed a quick 'surgical strike' of the uranium processing plants. This will of course necessitate the huge US bombs which can destroy the bunkers, and drones they say, but they anticipate achieving this within a couple of hours or two days max. And if there are no civilian casualties everyone will be looking good.

Sounds like Horus himself kidding on. The likelihood is of a war that will never end and result in so many civilian casualties that we will not be able to keep count. I can see why one would want to give a peaceful impression whilst drawing up the plans. Peace Protestors will be celebrating at home not out protesting.

Given the choice I cannot see anyone in the world voting for war, getting drafted and sent to fight Iran with its vast army and this strange magnetic ray we have heard about (if it really exists). Even the Palestinians stand to gain more from peace. In fact they will be having their vote next month at the UN and have removed their pre-condition for West Bank stettlement to stop before they discuss peace with Israel. It is an extraordinary concession and one that will obviously worry Israel as that was their card to avoid any discussion of 'peace' and a 'two state solution'. Until they have swamped the West Bank with settlers they have a minority there and that is no good at all for them. They are after all a democracy, and the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs can out vote them there. It is all very complex but this is what it is about. Check 'West Bank' on wikipedia for a better understanding if interested. All the players understand this which is why the UN vote for 'Palestine' next month has them all in jitters. November seems to be decision month in lots of ways - unless we have a big big war.

President Obama should be worrying about the surgical strike if he wants to win his election I would think. His people will be horrified, that is those who would have voted for him and will get drafted. But bet your life all the advice he is getting suggests it will win him the next term (and take a couple of hours to win max).

I am not political. I am however a bit clairvoyant which is why i started this thread. The minute the war starts it will be too late to stop. One US ship sunk, one air crew captured, one missile lauched in retaliation, and it will be irreversible. China and Russia have warned against this and they will not be happy when troops are flown in to try to stop the Iranian millions flooding into Iraq and the Gulf. They may not have the most up to date weapons but they have huge numbers. The long Iraq/Iran war showed they can withstand losses no western nation could contemplate. The Iranians who want peace will not want it quite so loud after they get attacked, they are Iranian not American whatever the pundits like to think. Their cities will be breathing in the radio active dust plumes sent up by these big bombs taking out hundreds of tons of uranium according to the expert. Then the neighbouring countries like Russia and eventually China. Chernobyl was not just a local affair.

Have they thought this through? Well unfortunately Horus, the one who wants this, has. He does not take politicians into his confidence as to why he wants a vast nuclear war but it so he does not have to give up his power over the nations. He is blackmailinmg Creation. But that sounds too silly for words doesn't it. There are no big spirits or 'fallen angels' with a grudge against Creation who are prepared to destroy the planet if they are not freed to pollute another world. Actually that is far more likely that 'God' promising a plot of land to his chosen people in my view.

I think my celebratory coffee this morning was a bit premature. Things look extremely bleak all of a sudden. How I wish Romney and Obama could work this out together and ignore the hawks for once. War does not bring about peace. Bombs will not make uranium enrichment plants safe. Stealing land and putting millions in camps does not lead to security for those living next to them. Do you need to be enlightened to realise that? Getting Eirene out of her pit and chucking the war gods into it would bring lasting peace and prosperity for all.

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Starting next week there is the biggest ever joint exercise between the US and Israel to test the new missile defence systems etc. A large number of US soldiers are expected to be there. This exercise had been postponed due to tensions in the region, presumably this implies that the region is less tense!

There is an article that I want to mention today on:


Basically Obama is accused of being the most hostile President to Israel ever by Morton Klein who leads the Zionist Organistaion of America. He says that Obama has been “relentlessly pressuring Israel while applying virtually almost no pressure on the Palestinian Authority to fulfill its written obligations,”

Klein also objects to Obama calling Israel “one of our closest allies,” as every other President calls them their closest ally. Britain thinks that it is the closest ally of course but the man is asking if Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are closer to Obama.

He objects to Obama appointing Salam Al-Marayati to represent the U.S. government at a human rights conference because in 1993 he had made disparaging remarks about the establishment of Israel being unjust and a crime and wanted Israel put on the list of suspects after 9/11. Well he may be right about that as the man is certainly not impartial, but many in the human rights world are critical of Israel’s policies.

He also objects to American Jews discussing abortion and social issues in the election, thus favouring Obama because it is pointed out that two thirds of American Jews will vote for him (yet four fifths voted for him last time).

He mourns the fact that most American Jews are unaware of the pressure that Obama puts on Israel to make concessions on borders, presumably implying they should give up the West Bank leaving them with an ‘indefensible border’.

And he does not like Obama’s friendship with the Rev Jeremiah Wright Jr who he thinks has attacked Israel and white Americans.

He particularly objects to Obama comparing the suffering of Palestinians to the Nazi treatment of Jews in a speech apparently called the Cairo speech. He may have the right to object as his family was decimated by the Holocaust. I did not know Obama said that. I liken the 4 million Palestinians in camps and ghettos to what started the Holocaust, not the actual event yet.

The proof that Obama is hostile to Israel he says is that he ignores Iran and has not imposed full sanctions and the ‘red line‘

Well everyone has a view but it seems the US President needs to be fully focussed on Israel and ignorant of everything else. The Jerusalem Post focus on Mitt Romney, saying that he shares Netanyahu’s values and that both want to stop Iran ‘s ‘capability’ to produce nuclear weapons, is another way to look at this. They may use the uranium for medical purposes but it has the 'capability' of being for something else. Good grief.

Obviously Obama faces acute hostility at this time but in my view he is very friendly to Israel. Where is the two state solution for example, the road map? Recently Madonna of all people threw something into the national psyche by calling him a Black Moslem in the White House. I cannot help but see this as being deliberate and perhaps inspired by that cult.

What should the man do? He did not fight Romney very hard in the debate as he could have undermined everything he said by pointing out what Romney really believed and had actually said on all the issues in clips overheard etc. He did not, but allowed the man to portray himself as a fairly liberal person. I hope he is. Obama is under enormous pressure, not least from his own party. As Romney is now saying there may be no need to attack Iran, should Obama do so, Romney can criticise him for that too. So if we are embroiled in world war at election time it will be Obama’s fault. But if he does not then he is wrong too.

It is similar in my view to watching Britain’s Conservative Party still blaming the previous Labour Government for all the debt they accrued, ignoring the fact that Labour sold most of Britain’s assets, as the Conservatives would have done too, all the Gold Reserves and Public Services to minimise the debt. Also ignoring the US 'Sub Prime' swindle, the constant flood of 'imports' we could not afford, and financial gambling which started the economic strife and austerity. Meanwhile they have been printing more and more money which is just as bad as it devalues the currency, hence increasing the actual debt. This is what politicians do to avoid dealing with problems. Netanyahu says he is calling for an election over the budget. But the argument with the budget is how must he wants to spend on the coming war. As there is no obvious person yet to stand against him it is a good time to move before there is. And it may be a good time to suspend the Parliament.

Now I hear no one say that it is time to stop all these politicians ruining our world for their devious agendas to remain in power, but that is the real problem. They seldom act in the interests of their countries as a whole. Iran does not, Israel does not, nor the Nato countries. And I mention them as some may have missed the ‘and our allies’ in the war talk. That is us. 55% of Americans do not want a war. I would say 100% Britons do not, but our Government is pledging support.

What we need to change is how we are governed and how lobbies have disproportionate control of policy. But that is exactly what will not change in our life times. I read the papers but no one is talking or writing peace today.

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blessed are the peacemakers though i have to say modern israel and all it stands for is as far from being a peacemaker as you can get. Most traumatic events in the world have the murky influence of israel and getting israel to be peacemaker is like getting gary glitter and jimmy saville to babysit...now then,now then now then........
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When any western politician goes to China these days they always complain about human rights even though most of our nations are deeply in debt to the Chinese and in the case of Britain Chinese companies own many of our major public utilities and corporations.

When the same people go to Israel the last thing they will mention are human rights. Even the Dalai Lama bless him is always on at China but seems to have a blind spot when it comes to Israel, although I may be wrong because criticism of Israel is rarely published.

The UN repeatedly is unable to get anywhere on the human rights in Israel as the US vetoes every initiative to do anything about this. What are the Palestinians to do when the world deliberately turns its back on them. Well it is obviously pushed into the arms of those that do not. And then the screw is turned further by accusing them of being supported by terrorist organisations and countries. Every politician in the world knows this and knows it is unfair, particularly the Israelis who use it to steal land from them.

The latest phrase used by Mitt Romney is 'daylight between the US and Israel'. There is not supposed to be any. That really means that Israel is the US. And that explains why so many US citizens put the security concerns of Israel before those of the US. It is curious to say the least. But if Texas was treating its ethnic population as Israel treats the Palestinians it would end up with Civil War again. That is what happened before. It is precisely because Israel is not a US State that it gets away with it.

I think the truth is even stranger. Israel actually controls the US and the UN. It is a remarkable achievement for such a little state that did not exist 70 years ago.And that is a spiritual thing, not a political. It goes back to Jacob (Israel) blessing his son Judah, a bessing that he himself got from his father by wearing sheepskin on his artms so that the old and blind Isaac would think he was his older twin brother Esau (the Patriarch of the Jordanian people).

This is what he actually said (in the Jewish scribe's imagination 1500 years later):

Genesis 49 8 - 12

""Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father’s children shall bow down before thee. Judah is a lion’s whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass’s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk".—Genesis 49:8-12"

It is also confirmed here:

" Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler.—1 Chronicles 5:2"

But Shiloh has come now and the old regime is finished. They just do not want to hand over the sceptre yet. For Shiloh you can read Peace. That old Goddess brought out of the pit and exchanged for the violent war god Horus.

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Compared to almost every other culture the Ancient Egyptians were a peaceful people and often questions are asked why this was. There were some wars over the last 6 thousand years obviously, but never consrtant warfare. At times they were taken over by outsiders but somehow these outsiders were absorbed into the culture and became as Egyptain as the rest. But there are lessons to be learned in asking the question why, because next to them were the most warlike and violent nations the world has known. I found this on the net which gives part of the answer in my opinion to the question why were the Ancient Egyptians so peaceful:

“Egyptian culture emphasised 'maat': truth, justice and balance. Egyptians made good soldiers, but did not engage in war for its own sake. Mesopotamian cultures were less configured to promote internal and external stability, and Assyria in particular possessed a pantheon of deities who were believed to command the king to take his army and conquer other lands.

The Assyrian urge to war was endemic in their religion, and rare was the year that the Assyrian army spent 'in the land', usually rebuilding after a defeat. Other Mesopotamian cultures were less overtly warlike, which did not mean they were peaceful; Hammurabi is best known for his code of laws, but he also built an empire encompassing most if not all of Mesopotamia during his lifetime (it collapsed during the reign of his son). Perhaps partly because of being in close proximity to so many neighbouring powers, perhaps for other reasons, Mesopotamian religions tended to have a high proportion of warlike and destructive deities (Ishtar, Nergal, Tiamat; even the relatively beneficent Marduk was a warlike god).

So in conclusion Egypt was more peaceful than Mesopotamia ('peaceful' being a relative rather than an absolute term) partly because geographically it could be, and partly because its religion and culture did not have the urge to war that characterised certain Mesopotamian civilisations”

And this (the Hyksos were the ancestors of the Hebrews)

By and large, ancient Egypt is considered to be one of the most peaceful of ancient civilizations -- so peaceful, in fact, that they did not have a proper army until the invasion of the Hyksos during their 15th Dynasty!

This also helps to explain why Israel has such a violent and warlike history in its short existence, although it will maintain that it is because it is resented, has been attacked and has some unmanageable borders to defend.

But for me the answer lies with the essence of the life that the Egyptian wished to live and the questions about it that they expected to be asked when entering the after-life. These are called the negative confessions and in fact they are statements ‘I have not done wrong, I have not robbed with violence etc‘. But this is a list of the 42 negative confessions:

1. Have you done wrong?
2. Have you robbed with violence?
3. Have you stolen?
4. Have you slain another?
5. Have you defrauded the offering?
6. Have you reduced measures?
7. Have you plundered the Gods?
8. Have you spoken lies?
9. Have you spoken evil?
10. Have you caused pain to another?
11. Have you committed fornication?
12. Have you caused the shedding of tears?
13. Have you dealt with deceit?
14. Have you transgressed?
15. Have you dissembled?
16. Have you laid waste to the land?
17, Have you discussed secrets?
18. Have you brought false lawsuits?
19. Have you been angry but for just cause?
20. Have you defiled the wife of any man?
21. Have you caused terror?
22. Have you polluted yourself?
23. Have you been hot tempered?
24. Have you been neglectful of truthful words?
25. Have you cursed another?
26. Have you acted with insolence?
27. Have you stirred up strife?
28. Have you judged hastily?
29. Have you gossiped?
30. Have you sought for unearned honors?
31. Have you been garrulous in speech?
32. Have you done evil?
33. Have you disputed the King?
34. Have you fouled the waters?
35. Have you spoken scornfully?
36. Have you cursed a God?
37. Have you carried off goods by force?
38. Have you damaged the offerings to the Gods.
39. Have you plundered the offerings to the Blessed dead.
40. Have you stolen food from a babe?
41. Have you harmed the God of your place of birth?
42. Have you slain the cattle of the Gods?

It was particularly important for the Pharaoh to answer these honestly and it helps to explain why although there are many examples of execution, on the whole they were very compassionate to those they conquered, unlike ‘Moses’ and Genghis Khan for example who worshipped war gods.

Unless we have these as the ethics for our leaders we will never have a peaceful world. You can imagine they will have when asked! We will all have to answer them by the way.

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Although noty due till 2014 mioves are already being made to commemorate World War 2. The Poppy day is known to all - it is the earl haidg Fund set up to help ex-servicemen. As a boy I recall some badly wounded men from that war selling shoe laces, one blind playing an accordion and standing on a wooden leg, the other without an arm. I remember my dad saying they were the lucky ones. My great uncle was a surgeon during that war and wrote a book about it - A Surgeon in Belgium. His remembrance was of horrendous civilian casualties and great anger while he homes his skills. But each year on 11/11 at 11 when we honour the dead, we celebrate war. Earl Haig was called Butcher Haig. He sent they say two million young men to their death unnecessarily. He was a stern disciplinarian and many of our men were shot for cowardice. Young teenagers scarcely out of school cowering in trenches after being told to climb the ladders and face certain death from enemy machine guns and gas were shot.

And nothing has changed!

Here are some shocking statistics of the two wars to end all wars (from wiki)

The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I was over 37 million. There were over 16 million deaths and 20 million wounded ranking it among the deadliest conflicts in human history.
The total number of deaths includes about 10 million military personnel and about 7 million civilians. The Entente Powers (also known as the Allies) lost about 6 million soldiers while the Central Powers lost about 4 million. At least 2 million died from diseases and 6 million went missing, presumed dead.

World War II was the deadliest military conflict in history. Over 60 million people were killed, which was over 2.5% of the world population. The tables below give a detailed country-by-country count of human losses.

World War II fatality statistics vary, with estimates of total dead ranging from 50 million to over 70 million. The sources cited in this article document an estimated death toll in World War II of 62 to 78 million, making it the deadliest war in world history in absolute terms of total dead but not in terms of deaths relative to the world population.

When scholarly sources differ on the number of deaths in a country, a range of war losses is given, in order to inform readers that the death toll is disputed. Civilians killed totaled from 40 to 52 million, including 13 to 20 million from war-related disease and famine. Total military dead: from 22 to 25 million, including deaths in captivity of about 5 million prisoners of war.

Recent historical scholarship has shed new insight into the topic of Second World War casualties. Research in Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union has caused a revision of estimates of Soviet war dead Estimated USSR losses within postwar borders now stand at 26.6 million. In August 2009 the Polish Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) researchers estimated Poland's dead at between 5.6 and 5.8 million.

We have a Cenotaph honouring our service men but we should be remembering the countless innocents killed by our leaders. As you can see it was not just a Jewish Holocaust, but that was a focus for the great cruelty of the 20th century to innocents. I would include all the young men sent to fight as innocent too. We now need a war free century.,

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We cannot judge any situation without knowing the facts. I cannot apologise for the length or number of my posts as it ios election time and stuff is happening while the media is concerned in the UK with Saville and Sport and in the US and Israel with the political struggle ahead.

War takes many forms and peace has a problem keeping up with it. It can be depriving people of food and water, money, representation or just plain killing. These days the subtle forms are hard to see and the terrorist is front line news. So first a glimpse at what Amira is on about. Her articles are excellent but I have cut a lot outr:

Amira Hass Haaretz 11.10.12

This past summer, Palestinian water authority officials were hoping that the water crisis would ease up in the Hebron area and the Gaza Strip, after an agreement was reached over the purchase of additional water from Israel.
However, their hopes were dashed when it emerged that Israel is simultaneously seeking to raise prices, not just for the additional amount, but for all the water it sells to the Palestinians, deviating from the price update formula determined in the Oslo Accord. According to the Palestinians, the Israelis are trying to exploit their weak situation and the growing public bitterness over the water shortage.
When the Interim Agreement was signed between Israel and the PLO in 1995, the Palestinians never imagined that they would still be buying water from Israel 17 years later. …..The Palestinians claim the price Israel is asking - 3.74 shekels per cubic meter of water in the West Bank, and 3.55 shekels per cubic meter in Gaza (not including VAT ), instead of 2.64 shekels and 2.38 shekels respectively - is patently unreasonable.
….. The Palestinian Authority is also concerned that Israel will move ahead with the threat it voiced at hearings of the joint water commission, to seek retroactive payment of the difference between the high rate and that paid from 2004 to date - a sum of around half a billion shekels…….The new high price that Israel is threatening to impose on them includes a subsidy for the Israeli agricultural sector (around one shekel per cubic meter ), which every Israeli pays. The Palestinians are wondering why they must subsidize Israeli farmers.
The Palestinians also note that there are two different rates for Israeli water companies: one is low, for basic consumption of up to 3.5 cubic meters per person per month, and the other is for amounts above that. On the other hand, Israel sets only one price for the Palestinians. For example, the basic rate for the company that supplies water to the settlements of Ariel and Karnei Shomron is 1.556 shekels per cubic meters and the higher rate is 5.734 shekels. The company in Givatayim buys water for rates of 1.408 shekels and 5.678 shekels per cubic meter. The Palestinian Water Authority is convinced that after a calculation of basic Palestinian water consumption they would not have to pay more than the basic rate…..
The "substantial" additional quantity of water for Hebron and Bethlehem is around 600,000 cubic meters for a period of some four months. Palestinian Water Authority officials say this is a minuscule amount, especially when compared to the increased allocation of 25 million cubic meters of potable water for Israeli farmers for 2013. The basic rate Israeli farmers pay is also much lower: 1.823 shekels per cubic meter, 2.082 shekels, and 2.606 shekels (not including VAT ). “ Amira Hass Hjaaretz.

Harvest time is never without its problems as the Palestinians gather in the olives from groves that have been tended by their families for thousands of years
“Palestinian medical sources reported that two Palestinians were injured, on Wednesday evening, after being attacked by several extremist Israeli settlers in Burin village, near the northern West Bank city of Nablus.

The settlers attacked several Palestinians, including women, who were harvesting their olive trees in the village.

The Palestinian Red Crescent reported that residents Bashir Omran, 22, Mohammad Ayyad, 23, were hospitalized at the Rafidia Governmental Hospital in Nablus suffering various cuts and bruises.

The army arrived at the scene and clashed with the villages instead of removing the settlers, local sources reported.

Settler attacks escalate every year during the Olive harvest season in different parts of the West Bank. Such attacks usually take place in areas that are close to illegal Israeli settlements.

Earlier on Wednesday, a number of extremist Israeli settlers uprooted around 300 olive trees that belong to residents of Al-Mogheer village, east of the central West Bank city of Ramallah.

On Sunday, a group of armed extremist settlers of the Aliyea illegal settlement cut dozens of Olive trees that belong to residents of Qaryout village, south of the northern West Bank city of Nablus.

On Saturday, Palestinian medical sources in Hebron, in the southern part of the West Bank, reported that dozens of Palestinian villagers, picking their olive trees west of Hebron, were treated for the effects of tear gas inhalation after being attacked by Israeli soldiers.

The soldiers arrived at the scene as extremist settlers were harassing the residents and trying to force them out of their orchards, and used force against the residents instead of removing the settlers, eyewitnesses reported. “

Meanwhile Mitt Romney looks to have made a u-turn

“the Palestinians were no less surprised by the Republican candidate's promise on Monday "to recommit America to the goal of a democratic, prosperous Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the Jewish state of Israel."

Even former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright was surprised by the comments, scoffing at their timing and adding that Romney's sudden outreach to the Palestinians came after "insulting them on his trip to Jerusalem."

Still, PLO Executive Committee member Dr. Hanan Ashrawi expressed skepticism about the shift in the Republican candidate's position. The PLO mission to the U.S. initially declined to comment on the issue, but later, the head of the mission, Maen Rashid Erekat, told Haaretz that “it is good that Governor Romney is adhering to the long-standing U.S. position on the necessity of establishing a Palestinian state. After all, former President George W. Bush was the first U.S. president to call explicitly for establishing a Palestinian state living side-by-side with Israel."
However, he added that "it is not enough to seek a democratic Palestinian state, because what we need is a fully sovereign viable state with full control over its people, territory and natural resources. It would be good also to hear Governor Romney say that he will take a balanced approach to the conflict by listening to the Palestinian side and consider their concerns.”

Meanwhile ‘writers’ are collaborating to take up the cause for PEACE

“Celebrated Israeli novelist David Grossman is working with Boualem Sansal, an award-winning Algerian writer who came under harsh criticism for visiting Jerusalem earlier this year, to launch a writers' drive for peace which calls among other things for a halt to the "inhuman and immoral" situation in Israel.
Supported by some of international literature's most respected names, including Claudio Magris, Antonio Lobo Antunes and Liao Yiwu, the authors will present their appeal at the closing session of the World Forum for Democracy on Thursday. Their document states that there is still a "possible solution" for the Israel-Palestine conflict, where "Israel has maintained the Palestinians under occupation for more than 45 years", but "but maybe not for long". The writers are therefore pushing for a Palestinian state to be created next to Israel, both with secure borders, "on the basis of painful compromises for both parties … such as the abandonment of settlements or their exchange for land, the renouncement of the right of return of the 1948 refugees, the sharing of Jerusalem".

And more is happening at the UN that the media like us to know about:

“October 11, 2012
By Christopher Federici
On a clear autumn morning in lower Manhattan the 4th Session of the Russell Tribunal on Palestine began amid a surprisingly calm atmosphere, despite lengthy lines weaving across the square in front of Cooper Union’s Great Hall.
The timing of this session is critical, as international attention has been focused on Iran’s nuclear program for months. If nothing else, this Tribunal serves as a reminder to an American audience of the harsh realities of the Palestinian condition.
Draped in a judicial veneer, successive Tribunals on Palestine have focused on the role of the international community regarding Israel’s persistent occupation of Palestinian territories. The New York session’s articulation of the complicity of the United States government and the United Nations in ongoing violations of international law adds to the existing findings of Tribunals in Barcelona, London and Cape Town regarding European Union and corporate complicity, as well as the crime of apartheid.

Israeli–Palestinian Conflict: Central Israel next to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
Before a sold-out auditorium, Tribunal coordinator Pierre Galand reaffirmed the formality of the non-binding proceedings with his introductory remarks admonishing the audience to refrain from outbursts or applause. Galand stressed the importance of preventing the “crime of silence” and he noted the “very effectively independent” status of the Russell Tribunal, which relies on a variety of financial donors, including municipalities, individuals and NGOs.
Galand revealed that Leila Shahid, the EU Ambassador from Palestine, had been denied visa entry by the U.S. Embassy in Brussels. I later confirmed that Raji Sourani, founder of the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, was also denied a visa by the US authorities in Cairo, adding to the marginalization of Palestinian voices at the Tribunal. Huwaida Arraf, co-founder of the International Solidarity Movement, cancelled due to illness.
However, with the judicial flare of a courtroom environment established, the long anticipated Tribunal was finally in session.
Impassioned Geneva Mayor Remy Pagani applauded members of the jury who have “risked their lives” in opposing fascism, racial inequalities and oppression.
We heard Stéphane Hessel, an energetic survivor of the Buchenwald concentration camp, contributor to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and author of Indignez-Vouz!, speak eloquently of the privilege of living in a world supposedly governed by liberty and international law. His proclamation that Palestinian society has been “abused, abused and over-abused” for 60 years without representation was a testament to the vital need for sustained citizen mobilization.
The Tribunal’s first witness was Professor Ilan Pappé. With the disclaimer that it is “difficult to condense an historical analysis into evidence,” Professor Pappé proceeded to present five concise points essential to any discussion of the conflict between Israel and its Palestinian subjects.
The first of these premises suggests that Zionism’s exclusive focus on Palestine, a land already inhabited with an “Arab, Islamic and Middle Eastern” identity, constituted a form of late colonialism.
Pappé went on to note that the attitudes of early European Zionists toward Palestinians remain present today among many Israelis, chiefly that indigenous Arabs in Palestine were “foreigners” in a land awaiting Jewish liberation. “The idea of an alien native,” according to Pappé, “is exclusive to Zionism.”
His testimony noted that a Jewish democracy required a Jewish majority in Palestine, yet by 1948 only one-third of Palestine’s inhabitants………..

I do not wish to be boring and repetitive but the problem is still growing out of all proportion, young people are being brainwashed to believe in fantasies and the world is rushing towards a war with no end because of it. Thank goodness David Icke and his Forum are here to tell us all about it. Good luck at Wembley - let’s hope the media give you some honest coverage.

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One thing I am trying to put across is the not very likely idea that ‘peace’ is a spiritual state and that mankind which is a bit ‘beastly’ finds itself unable to make peace effectively. Apart from anything else our culture is hampered by that fact that we seem to find it necessary to devour animals and out abattoirs are the most terrifying places. Some say this creates a karmic effect. Vegetarianism is very unpopular and most people eat meat, some will read no further. It was not always so, we are descended from vegetarians and the story of Adam and Eve and their two sons may well be illustrative of the change in society where vegetation no longer was acceptable for food. Anyway it would help if we treated animals more kindly and did not treat them so badly when it comes to end their lives. Many are skinned while still alive. Very few meat eaters could stand to visit a slaughter house. They do not like to think about it, nor compare the Sunday joint with a wee furry animal wagging its tail, nor equate it with a ritual ’sacrifice’ which is exactly what this holocaust (ie burning of flesh) is at heart.

Bit this morning I thought I would show something Egyptian. Their priests were mostly ordinary men and women who served in this function for 9 months at a time and during this time abstained from eating animals to enable a more spiritual state. One very famous one was called Imhotep, much more than a priest as you will see. He designed and built the first pyramid. His name includes the word for peace as did many Pharaohs, perhaps why it was such a peaceful place.

“The Egyptian word Hotep (ḥtp) translates to roughly "to be satisfied, at peace". It is regularly found in the names of ancient Egyptian figures such as Hotepsekhemwy (ḥr ḥtp-sḫm.wj "the two powers are at peace"), the first ruler of Egypt's Second Dynasty. It is rendered in hieroglyphs as an altar/offering table (Gardiner R4). It has special semantic meanings in the Ancient Egyptian offering formula, also known as the ḥtp-dỉ-nsw formula, to refer to the "boon given by the king," or the food and goods on which a dead soul was supposed to subsist during the afterlife.
Hotep is the Egyptological pronunciation of Egyptian ḥtp (Gardiner p 579 and 617 = law). The phrase m hotep has been translated to mean literally from law "peace" (Gardiner p 583 and 620 "to rest" "be satisfied", "peace", "become at peace" and "at ease") as in the Egyptian philosophy of living the life in Maat.

Names of pharaohs using "hotep":
Hotepsekhemwy, Mentuhotep I, Nebhetepre Mentuhotep II, Sankhkare Mentuhotep III, Nebtawyre Mentuhotep IV, Sehetepibre Amenemhat I, Sehetepre, Kaankhre Sobekhotep I, Sekhemresewadjtawy Sobekhotep III, Khasekhemre Neferhotep I, Khaneferre Sobekhotep IV, Khahotepre Sobekhotep V, Merhotepre Ini, Mentuhotep V, Sobekhotep VIII, Neferhotep III, Mentuhotep VI, Rahotep, Djeserkare Amenhotep I, Aakheperrure Amenhotep II, Nebmaatre Amenhotep III; (last of 'peace, content' use, 18th Dynasty, (14th century BC, Amarna letters correspondence century” wikipedia

Note that these names stopped at the time of Moses!

“Imhotep (sometimes spelled Immutef, Im-hotep, or Ii-em-Hotep; called Imuthes (Ἰμούθης) by the Greeks), fl. 27th century BC (circa 2650–2600 BC) (Egyptian ỉỉ-m-ḥtp *jā-im-ḥātap meaning "the one who comes in peace, is with peace"), was an Egyptian polymath,[1] who served under the Third Dynasty king Djoser as chancellor to the pharaoh and high priest of the sun god Ra (or Re) at Heliopolis. He is considered to be the first architect and engineer and physician in early history though two other good physicians, Hesy-Ra and Merit-Ptah lived around the same time. The full list of his titles is:
Chancellor of the King of Egypt, Doctor, First in line after the King of Upper Egypt, Administrator of the Great Palace, Hereditary nobleman, High Priest of Heliopolis, Builder, Chief Carpenter, Chief Sculptor, and Maker of Vases in Chief.
Imhotep was one of very few mortals to be depicted as part of a pharaoh's statue.] He was one of only a few commoners ever to be accorded divine status after death. The center of his cult was Memphis. From the First Intermediate Period onward Imhotep was also revered as a poet and philosopher. His sayings were famously referred to in poems: "I have heard the words of Imhotep and Hordedef with whose discourses men speak so much."
The location of Imhotep's self-constructed tomb was well hidden from the beginning and it remains unknown, despite efforts to find it. The consensus is that it is hidden somewhere at Saqqara. Imhotep's historicity is confirmed by two contemporary inscriptions made during his lifetime on the base or pedestal of one of Djoser's statues (Cairo JE 49889) and also by a graffito on the enclosure wall surrounding Sekhemkhet's unfinished step-pyramid. The latter inscription suggests that Imhotep outlived Djoser by a few years and went on to serve in the construction of king Sekhemkhet's pyramid which was abandoned due to this ruler's brief reign.

Attribution of achievements and inventions
James Henry Breasted says of Imhotep:
In priestly wisdom, in magic, in the formulation of wise proverbs; in medicine and architecture; this remarkable figure of Zoser's reign left so notable a reputation that his name is not forgotten to this day. He was the patron spirit of the later scribes, to whom they regularly poured out a libation from the water-jug of their writing outfit before beginning their work.

As one of the officials of the Pharaoh Djoser, he designed the Pyramid of Djoser (the Step Pyramid) at Saqqara in Egypt in 2630 – 2611 BC.[10] He may have been responsible for the first known use of columns in architecture. As an instigator of Egyptian culture, Imhotep's idealized image lasted well into the Ptolemaic period. The Egyptian historian Manetho credited him with inventing the method of a stone-dressed building during Djoser's reign, though he was not the first to actually build with stone. Stone walling, flooring, lintels, and jambs had appeared sporadically during the Archaic Period, though it is true that a building of the Step Pyramid's size and made entirely out of stone had never before been constructed. Before Djoser, pharaohs were buried in mastaba tombs.
Imhotep was always conceived holding his medical scrolls and his architectural drawings. He was a model figure who defined the training and selection process of all succeeding Egyptian priests and architects within Egypt’s jurisdiction. Although the step pyramid for King Zoser of the 3rd Dynasty was important for the reason that it had exemplified unbelievable skill and the introduction of building with stone, it was also very symbolic. It architectonically represented Ptah-TaTanen, the architect of the universe, and his creation where he evoked the primeval hill (waret) to rise from the primeval waters of nun. The Pyramid of Steps was also designed to serve as a place to worship the sun that symbolized the dead king’s ascent to the sun and passage across the heavens. The architecture highlighted Imhotep’s abilities as an architect, a religious priest and an astronomer. Additionally, in the construction of the Step Pyramid Complex was intended to forever honor the dead.

Egyptians considered Imhotep as a creative and inventive intellectual by the way he enlarged the burial site at Sakkara that was also constructed in stages. He amplified the existing tomb by adding five mastabas that decrease in sizes creating this unique form of architecture known as the great pyramid of steps. The burial compartments are great accomplishments of Imhotep’s work in design and engineering as well as debuted the progression of numerous complex structures such as tunnels, mortuaries, chapels, shafts and rooms for offerings. The massive tombs consisted of mud-brick walls and the style of the structure imitated a palace portico probably to mimic Djoser’s palace in Memphis where he lived at one point in his life.
The fact that Imhotep was an architect, which was extremely unique at that time, got him special treatments from the royal family, several positions and privileges inside the royal palace. This earned him the title of chief of engineering, amongst other essential titles such as prime minister, crown prince and head of the Royal Court. Later, his architecture had tremendous influence on Christian religion and architecture. He was also honored by the Romans, particularly the emperors Claudius and Tiberius whom had inscriptions that praised Imhotep on the walls of many of their Egyptian temples.

The preservation of the kings body was very important to Imhotep, like the conservation of the nation was a responsibility. As a priest who knew all ancient practices and rules, it was a given that he had mastered the understanding of the nature of building. Amongst other values, for Imhotep, it meant definiteness.
Although not certain, it has been believed that during a 40 year period of the Third Dynasty, Imhotep influenced and was the ultimate master builder of numerous other projects which have been finished. He wrote an encyclopedia of architecture that was used as the main bases and as guidance for Egyptian builders thousands of years after his death.

Imhotep is credited with being the founder of medicine. He was the author of a medical treatise remarkable for being devoid of magical thinking; the so-called Edwin Smith papyrus containing anatomical observations, ailments, and cures. The surviving papyrus was probably written around 1700 BC but may be a copy of texts a thousand years older. However, this attribution of authorship is speculative. The Papyrus can be viewed at the Brooklyn Children's Museum, New York City. The 48 cases contained within the Edwin Smith Surgical Papyrus concern:
27 head injuries (cases #1-27)
6 throat and neck injuries (cases #28-33)
2 injuries to the clavicle (collarbone) (cases #34-35)
3 injuries to the arm (cases #36-38)
8 injuries to the sternum (breastbone) and ribs (cases #39-44)
1 tumour and 1 abscess of the breast (cases #45-46)
1 injury to the shoulder (case #47)
1 injury to the spine (case #48)

'Imhotep extracted medicine from plants.'
'Imhotep was portrayed as a priest with a shaven head, seated and holding a papyrus roll. Occasionally he was shown clothed in the archaic costume of a priest.'
'Of the details of his life, very little has survived though numerous statues and statuettes of him have been found. Some show him as an ordinary man who is dressed in plain attire. Others show him as a sage who is seated on a chair with a roll of papyrus on his knees or under his arm. Later, his statuettes show him with a god like beard, standing, and carrying the ankh and a scepter.'
'He is represented seated with a papyrus scroll across his knees, wearing a skullcap and a long linen kilt. We can interpret the papyrus as suggesting the sources of knowledge kept by scribes in the "House of Life". The headgear identifies Imhotep with Ptah, and his priestly linen garment symbolizes his religious purity.'

Birth myths
According to myth, Imhotep's mother was a mortal named Kheredu-ankh, elevated later to semi-divine status by claims that she was the daughter of Banebdjedet. Conversely, since Imhotep was known as the "Son of Ptah," his mother was sometimes claimed to be Sekhmet, the patron of Upper Egypt whose consort was Ptah. Also according to myths, his father was also an architect and was named Kanofer.

Two thousand years after his death, Imhotep's status was raised to that of a deity of medicine and healing. He was identified or confused with Thoth, the god of architecture, mathematics, medicine and patron of the scribes, having Imhotep's cult merging with that of his former tutelary god. Taking this into consideration, he was thus associated with Amenhotep son of Hapu, who was another deified architect, in the region of Thebes where they were worshipped as "brothers" in temples dedicated to Thot and later in Hermopolis following the syncretist concept of Hermes-Thot, a concept that led to another syncretic belief, that of Hermes Trismegistus and hermeticism. Imhotep was also linked to Asklepios by the Greeks.

In Ancient Egypt, Imhotep was considered to be an example of "personality cult" of Kemet, the notion that a person can be deified after his death and become some sort of a special intercessor for the living. Nonetheless, the conditions of Imhotep’s death are unknown. The mystery behind his death is amplified as his disappearance coincided with the disappearance of all his medical texts and architectural manuscripts. His tomb has never been found.
In addition, despite his major impact on Ancient Egyptian architecture and field of medicine, even ancient historians failed to write about him, which adds to his mystery. What makes this mystery somewhat ironic is that the name "Imhotep" in Ancient Egyptian language translates to “He who came in peace,” underlining the way he came into the world, made his impact, and left it in peace taking all his genius work with him. However, Imhotep became even more famous with his death and was worshipped for 2,000 years afterwards. Because of the mystery behind his death, he was considered as a demi-god. In Greek mythology, Asclepius was the god of medicine, therefore, Imhotep was often associated with him. Some even believed that he was Asclepius himself. Only statues made of him remained which referred to his genius mind and served to illustrate his existence on earth. After his death, he was known to be responsible for the use of columns and monumental stone in Egyptian architecture and considered to have fully advanced ancient Egyptian medicine. Nevertheless, he slowly turned into a legend and then a myth.

According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "The evidence afforded by Egyptian and Greek texts support the view that Imhotep's reputation was very respected in early times ... His prestige increased with the lapse of centuries and his temples in Greek times were the centers of medical teachings."]
It is Imhotep, says Sir William Osler, who was the real "Father of Medicine", "the first figure of a physician to stand out clearly from the mists of antiquity."

Imhotep's dreams
The Upper Egyptian Famine Stela, dating from the Ptolemaic period, bears an inscription containing a legend about a famine of seven years during the reign of Djoser. Imhotep is credited with having been instrumental in ending it. One of his priests explained the connection between the god Khnum and the rise of the Nile to the king, who then had a dream in which the Nile god spoke to him, promising to end the drought.
These dreams are another factor which has lead some scholars to associate Imhotep with the Biblical figure of Joseph.” wikipedia

I have left most of the wiki article intact and hope it was a worthwhile read for those who do not know this man. He is perhaps our first great ‘peacemaker’ and illustrates how one does not have to be born a leader or pharaoh to make a huge contribution to the world and ultimately to receive that title awarded to peacemakers in the blessing. A ‘child of God’.

War making is common. Horus loves sacrifices and temples running with blood. One of the things seldom discussed relating to the Thiri Temple they wish to build are the 24 oxen they have lined up to sacrifice there. In the previous temples blood was literally sprayed on the walls. The Aztecs loved this too and cut out the hearts of thousands of men at a time so that the side of their pyramid ran with blood. A visit to an abattoir will show you the modern equivalent. This is how a spirit like Horus derives both life and power. One might consider the comparative benefit of a baked potato with some vegetables and even cheese and butter. But ‘society’ is clearly programmed away from this even though meat eating is associated with colonic cancer obesity and many ecoli infections etc.

I know how this sounds and was a meat eater brought up with Roast Lamb or Beef on a Sunday. It is popular to point out to vegetarians that Hitler was one. He was not in fact but it is the sort of thing that Horus will put out when feeling threatened. Some of the most peaceful people left on the planet survive on a vergetable diet in India and around there. But some holy men eat the corpses of the recently deceased in graveyards. To me the issue is how the animals are treated, rather that whether there is a need to consume them. But if people had to eat and kill their own animals few would have a stomach for it and they would note how difficult it is. Having two religions that demand the animals are bled to death (in agony) says everything to me about them. But that is the problem with religion. It espouses and makes respectable many cruel practises for no good reason, or reasons lost in history.

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Although Buddhism is considered a religion of peace, Buddha himself said very little about it. Here are two famous quotes of his:

“To enjoy good health, to bring true happiness to one's family, to bring peace to all, one must first discipline and control one's own mind. If a man can control his mind he can find the way to Enlightenment, and all wisdom and virtue will naturally come to him.”

“Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without”

For five thousand years the symbol for peace for Buddhists and those who preceded them was the swastika. It is extraordinary that this is now widely seen as a warlike symbol. Furthermore it is evident that peace has been undermined in a spiritual sense, that there is a war in heaven if you like.

Buddha was a thinking man. He did not say that peace is the absence of war, which many conclude must be the case. It is a living thing in its own right and easily shattered by violence like any great porcelain piece. What he said is that first you must have discipline, control and enlightenment.

It would be enough if our leaders walked this path but they do not. If we had a true messiah to follow we might find peace or Salem as they call it in the Messianic world. But in reality it is our society that needs to be disciplined and controlled and that is a bog worry to those who want ‘freedom’. But freedom of speech means freedom to curse and insult. Freedom of action means the freedom to hurt and kill. It is what the what have considered to be their right for a long time leading to the invasion of other countries, slavery, colonialism and hypocrisy. And it is certainly reinforced by religion.

In the 60’s thanks to some well meaning young people it looked for a while as though we might start to seek enlightenment and find peace. But as always happens this spikes Horus and his hawks and they stamped down hard. It is one of the reasons why the comparatively harmless (compared to alcohol, tobacco, cocaine, heroin and pharmaceutical drugs) was declared the enemy. So was LSD and everything else associated with these people who threatened the world with peace. I am not suggesting that these ‘drugs’ were the answer, they just happened to be part of that scene but do wish to point out that society was not prepared to tolerate the hippy. If you wanted to be one you had better own your own company like Jobs and Branson.

In fact our fabulously rich rock musicians were not really treading the path of enlightenment. They like to make out that they want to feed the world but we know they really want to sell their records. The case with Jimmy Saville should highlight another great abuse that rock musicians fostered and that was the vast number of young groupies that followed them around and were abused. I do not think it will ever happen but few rock stars have clean hands on that score.

The fact is that we are very close to where we need to be to have peace. We already have a society that is discipline. We have a good educational system. We have been feeding the poor. We do not tolerate abuse and violence. There is not a huge adjustment necessary to save our world. But week by week we move in the wrong direction and allow our armaments manufacturers and hare brained extremist politicians to undo all the good we have achieved in the last few millennia. They want wars, not us. And they have the means to make them happen. Protest is being demonised as a form of ‘terrorism’ which is a word they have invented to cover actions they do not consider to be friendly. I do wish there was someone to vote for who was actually trying to get society moving the way towards what we all want which is enlightenment and peace. Everything else - truth, justice, saving the world and happiness is on this route.

Religion is the enemy of enlightenment unfortunately and the parent of bigotry and brainwashing. But as it presents itself as the answer and morally superior, sop all politicians pretend to follow mainstream religions when it is obvious by their actions that they value the rich above the poor and violence above peace. I daresay if they ever think the media will enable the populations to choose, the media will cease to exist unless it is bigoted and brainwashing us. How can they sleep at night?

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There were two other sages alive at the same time as the Buddha. Buddha was in India and these two were in China. We know them as Confucius and Lao Tse (Tzu). They had a similar way of seeing peace.

“It is better to live in peace than in bitterness and strife”

“To put the world right in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must first put the family in order; to put the family in order, we must first cultivate our personal life; we must first set our hearts right.”

"When things are investigated, then true knowledge is achieved; when true knowledge is achieved, then the will becomes sincere; when the will is sincere, then the heart is set right (or then the mind sees right); when the heart is set right, then the personal life is cultivated; when the personal life is cultivated, then the family life is regulated; when the family life is regulated, then the national life is orderly; and when the national life is orderly, then there is peace in this world."

If there is to be peace in the world,
There must be peace in the nations.
If there is to be peace in the nations,
There must be peace in the cities.
If there is to be peace in the cities,
There must be peace between neighbors.
If there is to be peace between neighbors,
There must be peace in the home.
If there is to be peace in the home,
There must be peace in the heart.”

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Around 1000AD there were so many barons and feudal chieftains fighting each other, Vikings and Normans invading towns and villages that the Church tried to do something about it and called them to large meetings at which they brought all the saints relics they had and tried to resolve the conflicts. This was called the Peace of God but it had an earlier Roman precedent which is interesting:

" Romans in the pagan traditions commonly used a similar phrase "peace of the gods", meaning when the gods were at peace, when the gods were not causing trouble, such as earthquakes or war, otherwise known as Ira Deorum (The Wrath of the Gods). The object of Roman religion was to secure the cooperation, benevolence, and "peace" of the gods, hence Pax Deorum.

The eighteenth-century historian Edward Gibbon, interpreting Tacitus, Germania §40, detected a parallel among the pagan German tribes who worshipped a goddess of the earth (identified by modern scholars with Nerthus) who in Gibbon's interpretation resided at the island of Rügen, who annually travelled to visit the tribes. "During her progress the sound of war was hushed, quarrels were suspended, arms laid aside, and the restless Germans had an opportunity of tasting the blessings of peace and harmony. The truce of God, so often and so ineffectually proclaimed by the clergy of the eleventh century, was an obvious imitation of this ancient custom.

The Peace and Truce of God movement was one of the ways that the Church attempted to Christianize and pacify the feudal structures of society through non-violent means. " wikipedia

We do not think like the Romans now but perhaps we should not dismiss them out of hand. they knew that the wars on earth were caused by bad spirits, jealous and angry with each other. When we envy each other and want to take someone's property or land for ourselves we are in fact possessed. We just need to be possessed by a spirit of compassion and peace instead. What i see in the world appears to be possession and taking possession. Anger and rage at what has been done to us causing us to do the same to others in an endless cycle. Not very enlightened behaviour but handy if we can say that God promised us what someone else has. How long is this nonsense going unchallenged by people with common sense?

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When Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize he had been President for 7 days. Still it must be said that he has avoided the 3rd World War up to now although I do not like to say that too soon. This year they have ignored the fact that we weent to War unjustly against Iraq. No one can agree on the actual fatalities from that conflict, most are around 100,000 but the Briitish medical Journal the Lancet puts the real figure above 600,000 and the ORB Poll which actually asked Iraqis puts it over 1 million. Mostly civilian innocent lives. We also have the invasion of Afghanistan on our conscience, especially as we are about to hand the country back to the Taliban. So the EU is a strange choice for a Peace Prize. The point being made is that Europe traditionally has wars or starts them and has avoided that kind of major conflict. But the prize is being awarded just as the biggest war ever is about top start and it will be with European forces and approval, as the sanctions against Iraq and now Iran have been. Sanctions whose cost in human lives is ignored incidentally.

Why could they not award the prize to Amira Hass? It has always been for those who stand up to oppression. I do not need to answer that. The Panel awarding the Prize would be accused of being political, biased and anti-Semitic. So the 4 million in the camps are ignored as usual, and the Europe which includes the country awarding the prize, is praised as a peacemaker.

Politics is usually about semantics over words - as the casualty calculations are and why the differ so dramatically. British politicians in the Government constantly talk about slashing the deficit and the huge debt they inherited. It was a huge debt, over 800 billion. They fail to mention that they have taken it much higher, added another 350 billion to it, and that it is heading to fast to be double what they took over. They therefore talk about 'deficits', ;ie through their teeth and as usual target all the poorest people, something happening all over Europe, while the richest are freed from tax burdens. This is war, deliberate and evil and not deserving of any prize.

Buddha said a very inspiring thing which is really about history. he said that there were 3 things that could not long be hidden - the sun, the moon and the truth. Why would anyone lie for short term gain when the know they will be exposed one day. Possibly because they know they will be protected from justice as long as they live. Earl Haig was given a national funeral and a day of mourning, even has his name on every poppy sold, but is now known as an incompetent, out of date, discipline mad general who butchered his men by the million while sitting in some considerable safety and luxury far from the misery of his war. The after life will always catch the butcher out, but their names and reputations take a little longer. I am sure the ICC will see some very evil men in the dock one day who are still feted by society. But not while the hawks have control.

How interesting the Savile case is proving and a salutory lesson for the usual cover ups at the top. Almost certainly the start of many terrible truths emerging. Once the emperor has been called out for wearing no clothes, the crowds join in with a vengeance.

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Although I do not use illegal substances I wish to highlight one of the most extraordinary wars of the last century. It can be summed up as the war on drugs. There is a huge amount of misinformation on the subject, brainwashing and expense. What we are looking at was the decision at the end of the 1950’s to criminalise an entire generation and believe me many, many innocent young people have been locked up for trying ‘drugs’.

Why this happened is hard to understand. The result has been an absolutely massive financial boost for criminal gangs and ‘cartels’ all over the world. A massive amount of expense has been incurred by nations pursuing anti-drugs policies and of course a very high proportion of police and customs time.

In the last few years Californian and 15 other States went as far as legalising possession of cannabis for users over 21. It had already made use legal for those with a prescription from their doctor, and while illegal it had been treated as an ‘infraction’ equivalent to a parking ticket with a fine.

It is not hard to see why California led the way as they want to attract the wealthy film stars and musicians to their big entertainment business. The revenue of $50 an ounce on cannabis was to yield over 1 billion dollars and they needed this. There were tax revenues already over 100 million on the business that had grown out of the medical marijuana legislation. Now they are having to close schools.

Most American do not believe the weed should be illegal but Obama appears to have changed course from saying that he would not oppose States who made it legal to making sure that the Federal authorities closed the whole business down. It will be an election issue if not discussed.

What is certain is that it has enabled criminal gangs to flourish, it has brought danger to young people, it has deprived communities of much needed tax revenues, by pushing the drugs underground they have often been polluted with dangerous chemicals and additives by unscrupulous suppliers, it has meant that most users will not tell their doctors and get the help they need, and it has led to a sharp divide in the countries most affected between authority and youth. But even so the number of those daring to break the law to use drugs has soared, and fatalities have also increased.

Many politicians in both countries admit to have using marijuana if not cocaine. All of them know the truth about this herb that has been used for millennia. There are much more potent herbs - coca and opium to name two which are used in medicine and more legal ones more dangerous - tobacco chiefly. That will not be banned nor alcohol because of the tax revenue from them, but as that would apply to legalised marijuana it is curious.

The war has intensified. Cannabis was classified at a more serious level in the UK recently. Coffee shops that catered for pot smoking tourists in Holland have now been stopped from providing it for those who do not have residents’ status.

The media barons like Murdoch hate it, but even they cannot take the credit for this war which has alienated society and made outlaws of so many nice people. What is evident is that Organised Crime has a grip on our governments and they dare not offend them. Were this tom be more widely known it would be impossible for politicians to keep up the pretence. Margaret Thatcher is renowned for arriving in Jamaica, holding up a packet of grass and declaring ‘this is the enemy’.

The other thing that authority is intensely suspicious of with cannabis, which is used by almost all saddhus and many lamas, is its association with PEACE. They like to say that those smoking cannabis are violent and the gang culture is, however the violent element has much to do with the illegality of it. We do not need to make some things imprisonable because we disapprove of them. We do not burn witches any more. And the inner cities are dangerous at night where kids have been binge drinking, but no real efforts are made to stop that. To think that a country would wish to break down the doors of its eminent citizens because they like to smoke a joint in the evenings is almost impossible to comprehend. But it has an agenda and it is linked to the hawks and gods of war. They like this war. As usual peoples have no say in this, all political parties tow this line.

I have been watching the World at war a series made in the 70’s. today it was about remembering the 55 million killed in WW2. The footage was devastating - especially of civilians slaughtered by allied bombing or advancing troops. Women and children separated from their men who were then shot. The millions of prisoners starved to death or frozen alive. What struck me too was the then director of the Imperial War Museum discussing the men who served with him. He said that many orders for civilian deaths came from the top and no one could contradict them. Bombers did not see what they were doing, but those on the ground did. He called that terrorism incidentally. But of the men themselves he said very many enjoyed destroying lives and property. Indeed many could not adapt back to society after the thrill of the kill. These men he said were the cause of many of the war’s atrocities. The main cost was civilian but numbers on a page mean so little. The sheer mindless violence was stupefying and much of this was down to the enjoyment of killing. Looking at some of the film one could see a blood lust in many eyes, even as a war weary look was reflected by so many too. This is a side of the human that is exploited by politicians in their comfortable seats who refuse to look at the carnage they cause. And in fact we are as an audience numbed to the many civilian bombings taking place every day. They seldom show us the mangled bodies. We see relatives screaming in pain. It just seems normal. How far have we fallen who now have TV’s showing us things that were once hidden and yet do nothing about it. This is not a subject that anyone cares to discuss with me!

I am surprised our leaders can walk down the street, let alone smile at us.

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The world’s oldest profession it is called. Illegal in the UK and becoming more illegal. Yet a Defence Minister and a Chairman of the Conservative party both used prostitutes and at the top end of society this is common. I have even seen by St Bartholomews in an area closed to the public but close to Legal Chambers in London a bordello and a lusty crowd of lawyers.

It is known that the illegality of prostitution puts women at great risk, and men and indeed their wives. Sexually transmitted diseases are increasingly difficult to treat and life threatening. Women and young girls are trafficked from all over the world into slavery from which they receive no benefit. Pimps operate the women and take the money, and indeed are violent and abusive to the women.

We have more and more vulnerable people in society unable to get jobs and living in poverty. More and more illegals safe environment for the women to work. Some may work in expensive hotels but some work on the streets and murder and abuse is extremely common. Report after report urges legalisation, compulsory health care monitoring and even taxing to pay for this.

Bearing in mind how popular sex is, it is hard to understand how a government could think that making it difficult and dangerous will reduce its popularity. Disease and danger has not diminished its appeal. More prostitution is advertised on the internet than ever before. And in almost all cases some pimp will be exploiting the women involved.

So who benefits from the situation being illegal and will resist any attempt to legalise this. As with drugs it is organised crime. So we better look at something else. The government know this of course, even though they hide behind moral outrage.

Elections cost money. To succeed at election a party needs massive funding. More and more it seems. The people who fund parties do not do so for altruistic reasons they want something. MP’s sit on the boards of armament manufacturers for a reason. Not because they know anything about making arms and bombs. Why exactly do we tolerate funding of political parties when it is obvious that this funding determines government policies?

At the last British election something happened in the days before polli9ng which determined the result. The respectable newspaper the Guardian decided to withdraw its support of the labour party and supported the Liberal democrat Party. Meanwhile Mr Murdoch’s media empire including the Sun changed sides from labour to Conservative. No one can doubt that this is why we now have a Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition. The Guardian position was curious as more of its readers were Labour voters than Liberal. But what I would point out is that it only takes the two people who own the two main newspapers in a country to change sides and the country follows. The Guardian said the change was tactical and that they wanted electoral reform promised by the Lib Dems.

The Government owes a huge debt to someone for this. Is this what dictates our policy on drugs and sex for sale against all reason? Or is there an even darker side top do with the funding on which they depend. Either way it must be clear that in countries where there is a fairly even divide Conservative/Labour or Democrat/Republican democracy is extremely vulnerable and is constantly exploited to favour both the rich and the powerful. Is anything going to change? Well they are not going to change it are they? And they will preach democracy to the rest of the world ad infinitum and in deed human rights while denying them to their own people.

This is why we have wars that no one wants and why we cannot have PEACE. It is also why the papers do not runs articles telling us this obvious fact. You might think that someone could stand for parliament who offers something better but they will not get elected, and if elected they will be marginalised and ridiculed. What we have is pure evil I am sorry to say and extremely hypocritical. And as usual the innocents are fed to the wolves. Not that it would take much to change as the people do not want what they have. All we need is the day that our politicians respect that and turn their backs on the evil manipulators who put them there. It may be closer that we think.

Incidentally the Guardian had much to do with the Balfour Declaration and the creation of the State of Israel but a few years ago was accused of being anti-Semitic. I love this paper but sometimes wonder if it is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

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