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Old 19-06-2015, 01:42 PM   #18541
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I'm glad to see you posting Silent Revolution.
The only reason I'm bothering is to add one more middle finger to the hoax promoters. I certainly won't be bothering to engage on the "it must be properly investigated" meme. All that's left is the details of the ongoing psyop in which, it appears, we are pawns. For the last 40 years I have observed (or been shown) how the spooks operate to subvert society, how they undermine democracy and justice, how they have left a trail of victims (many dead), how they are continuing to do this. The internet is their new playground of manipulation and control. And of course continuing to cover-up some of their more horrific operations like using kids from care homes to be raped by powerful people so they could exercise political and corporate control and play silly geopolitical games. Psychopaths rule us.
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Old 19-06-2015, 01:44 PM   #18542
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After the HollieHoax campaign and Belinda Mckenzies 2013 youtube admissions that she had never heard Hollie mention being abused. And admitting 29 names on the list had been fabricated by others and that in her opinion only two people had ever abused Hollie, almost spat my coffee all over my computer screen when i seen her name mentioned alongside Hamstead.
My initial thoughts when i seen this is "this must be some mad experiment to test how many uninformed and unresearched people there still are in Britain".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4j87lolK8
Thanks for the video link Blackyblue
A "mad experiment" is more or less my conclusion about all this.
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Old 19-06-2015, 02:12 PM   #18543
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After the HollieHoax campaign and Belinda Mckenzies 2013 youtube admissions that she had never heard Hollie mention being abused. And admitting 29 names on the list had been fabricated by others and that in her opinion only two people had ever abused Hollie, almost spat my coffee all over my computer screen when i seen her name mentioned alongside Hamstead....

...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4j87lolK8
see belinda squirming when challenged. belinda, normally behind the megaphone, or being interviewed by one of her own, and so in control, gets asked some tough questions here, and she folds. It is a joy to watch.

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Old 19-06-2015, 02:32 PM   #18544
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see belinda squirming when challenged. belinda, normally behind the megaphone, or being interviewed by one of her own, and so in control, gets asked some tough questions here, and she folds. It is a joy to watch.
Yeah lol

Thing i cannot get my head around is how she can stand there with banners with pictures of a downsyndrome girl over her shoulder that point to SRA with web addresses that have donate buttons all over them claiming Hollie was Satanically abused by 31 people.
Next to her, walking into the courtroom is the man she is bankrolling, Robert Green, whom is going in to the court accusing between 22 and 31 people of Satanic ritual abuse, and yet Belinda has just made a statement when questioned, that: i have never heard Hollie mention being abused. 29 names where added by others to suit their agenda. And i believe she only ever got abused by two people.

Ok, so why is she holding banners over her head and putting up donate buttons claiming SRA? And why is she bankrolling a man, stood 10ft away from her hiding behind a car covering his face, Robert Green, who is fighting in court claiming SRA against Hollie?

It is "ridiculous" lol
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Old 19-06-2015, 02:33 PM   #18545
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I'm glad to see you posting Silent Revolution.
The only reason I'm bothering is to add one more middle finger to the hoax promoters. I certainly won't be bothering to engage on the "it must be properly investigated" meme. All that's left is the details of the ongoing psyop in which, it appears, we are pawns. For the last 40 years I have observed (or been shown) how the spooks operate to subvert society, how they undermine democracy and justice, how they have left a trail of victims (many dead), how they are continuing to do this. The internet is their new playground of manipulation and control. And of course continuing to cover-up some of their more horrific operations like using kids from care homes to be raped by powerful people so they could exercise political and corporate control and play silly geopolitical games. Psychopaths rule us.
yeah we are all fodder in their mad games even kids

bloody heck this woman has no clue has she

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Old 19-06-2015, 02:37 PM   #18546
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yeah we are all fodder in their mad games even kids
agreed. we are all hampsters on the hampstead treadmill.

hampsters on the treadmill giving it the middle finger, though.
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Old 19-06-2015, 02:48 PM   #18547
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Sabine leads a luxurious lifestyle and lives in a very expensive house in London when she's not staying in apartments in Berlin and Bruxelles. If the rent were stopped it would no longer be her address, which it is as per changes to her and Belinda's companies at Company House. I expect that she owns the house outright. She has never had any visible or credible income as per her "legend" (3-D Metrics never earned any money and is now dormant) so I can only surmise that she has been a well-paid employee of the secret services for decades. Ever since she left the DDR Staatssicherheit (Stasi).
Isn't she on pension credits which is a means tested benefit you only get if youve not got two stick to rub together. land registry would tell you who owns house probably housing association i think mckenzie has a track record of setting up people who arent worth suing like robert green to front her campaigns and she also leaves them to take most of the flack
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Old 19-06-2015, 03:00 PM   #18548
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Isn't she on pension credits which is a means tested benefit you only get if youve not got two stick to rub together. land registry would tell you who owns house probably housing association i think mckenzie has a track record of setting up people who arent worth suing like robert green to front her campaigns and she also leaves them to take most of the flack
To be fair Robert Green got off lightly with 250 hours community.
Robert Green was not set up by Belinda, he was complicit every step of the way. His conversation with the gatecrasher "Mark Dailly" on the Tony Legend show was evidence for this.
But more blatantly, Stuart Usher, who ran Scotland Against Crooked Lawyers, was the man that gave Robert Green the job of becoming Ann Greig's private investigator. Stuart Usher himself went on live radio to announce that Robert Green was telling lies about Hollies Medical records and other documents.
Stuart Usher said he had seen these documents, and they did not say the things Robert was saying they said.
So Robert, was knowingly lying.
Stuart Usher admitted that the worst mistake he had ever made was getting Robert Green that job.
Despite live radio admissions like this, Belinda and Robert bashed on regardless and continued to make allegations against unconvicted people, and continued to get support in doing so.
Sickening!
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Old 19-06-2015, 03:15 PM   #18549
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To be fair Robert Green got off lightly with 250 hours community.
Robert Green was not set up by Belinda, he was complicit every step of the way. His conversation with the gatecrasher "Mark Dailly" on the Tony Legend show was evidence for this.
But more blatantly, Stuart Usher, who ran Scotland Against Crooked Lawyers, was the man that gave Robert Green the job of becoming Ann Greig's private investigator. Stuart Usher himself went on live radio to announce that Robert Green was telling lies about Hollies Medical records and other documents.
Stuart Usher said he had seen these documents, and they did not say the things Robert was saying they said.
So Robert, was knowingly lying.
Stuart Usher admitted that the worst mistake he had ever made was getting Robert Green that job.
Despite live radio admissions like this, Belinda and Robert bashed on regardless and continued to make allegations against unconvicted people, and continued to get support in doing so.
Sickening!
http://hollie-greig-book-closed.blog...gb-x-none.html

Dont think there is any doubt that robert green was lying through his teeth and his agenda changed as the whole thing wound on becoming political even towards theend and laterly introducing the satanic panic element As I understand it usher took himself out of the frame as you say however the point is who was really calling the tune. As I recall green lost umpteen proper lawyers, had quinn on his back trying to persuade him to drop the crap and just concentrate on what he calls the "core allegation" - which actually even mark daly concedes are what is washed away by all the nonsense. for sure the likes of mcneil and green are absolutely "the authors of their own misfortune" as quinn so elegantly puts it - but who is always pulling these peoples strings, whol collects the donations and who edges herself out of frame when the game is set to be over? Mckenzie!

The other thing i'd add to this and I do very much agree with quinn on this is that the hollie greig case has 'establishment' written all over it. Mckenzie - experienced handler of useful (and greedy and dishonest) idiots.

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Old 19-06-2015, 03:29 PM   #18550
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Dont think there is any doubt that robert green was lying through his teeth and his agenda changed as the whole thing wound on becoming political even towards theend and laterly introducing the satanic panic element As I understand it usher took himself out of the frame as you say however the point is who was really calling the tune. As I recall green lost umpteen proper lawyers, had quinn on his back trying to persuade him to drop the crap and just concentrate on what he calls the "core allegation" - which actually even mark daly concedes are what is washed away by all the nonsense. for sure the likes of mcneil and green are absolutely "the authors of their own misfortune" as quinn so elegantly puts it - but who is always pulling these peoples strings, whol collects the donations and who edges herself out of frame when the game is set to be over? Mckenzie!

The other thing i'd add to this and I do very much agree with quinn on this is that the hollie greig case has 'establishment' written all over it. Mckenzie - experienced handler of useful (and greedy and dishonest) idiots.
You know more about it that me.
Makes my job so much easier when the people i am speaking to already know the facts.
You actually know enough about it to correct me on my spelling of Dailly/Daly...N1
And of course, you are so right about Mckenzie.

I can tell none of you need enlightening into Belinda's involvement in Iran Aid which closed down regarding a suspicious £75m.

I am sure you know "more" than me about this too.

So good to see such well informed posters that know bothsides of the debate.
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Old 19-06-2015, 03:58 PM   #18551
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You know more about it that me.
Makes my job so much easier when the people i am speaking to already know the facts.
You actually know enough about it to correct me on my spelling of Dailly/Daly...N1
And of course, you are so right about Mckenzie.

I can tell none of you need enlightening into Belinda's involvement in Iran Aid which closed down regarding a suspicious £75m.

I am sure you know "more" than me about this too.

So good to see such well informed posters that know bothsides of the debate.
LOL me? spelling? most of the time Im typing on a netbook with one hand while i serve up chips with the other i kid you not spellings not a luxury i manage well call it dumb luck.

if you read through quinns blog very few come out with clean hands. more or less he points out that anne greig was complicit with her husband in deflecting attention away from the concerns that were raised about hollie when she was a kid and right enought the documentation seems to support that view. hes also quite quite plain in pointing out that was the basis for the cica awardand that was that - cold case! i agree too with his either-way perspective on hollie either being abused by neglect or by some pervert. its only later when anne greig startes to embroider the story that the whole thing is picked up firstly by usher who has a genuine bee in his bonnet and later by planted useful idiots who take it off in a different direction.

Did you note how the hollie case basically killed off SACL which had been a pain int he establishment arse for years? them was hijacked for political purposes and now has been added to the satanic panic? belinda mckenzie hoaxmistress general to her majesties department of stealth and total obscurity? i reckon so!
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McKenzie claims she hid the identities of the recipients of the cash in Iran to protect them from the regime. I would be just as interested in finding out where that money came from in the first place, given where it ended up. Could it be from government aid programs or some such? It's too much cash for a McKenzie fake charity to drum up. The Knight Foundation is the new fake charity set up by McKenzie. No money coming in, just sitting there ready and waiting to channel funds into another underhand intelligence project.
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Old 19-06-2015, 04:14 PM   #18553
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If they genuinely did raise that amount of cash, it's hardly surprising they are reluctant to ditch the charity fund-raising game.
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I would be just as interested in finding out where that money came from in the first place, given where it ended up.
I'm more inclined to think she was laundering money from something with the quiet approval/blind eye of the authorities. the only thing i can think of on that scale is drugs/hookers/porn and as if by sheer coincidence here she is running a campaign to promote a fairy story connected to a plassy gangsta whos stock in trade is so class-a
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Quite amazing that so many members of our community would boldly take part in dancing around a classroom in a primary school in broad daylight murdering babies day after day, even getting the other children involved in the committing of murder and never worry about getting caught.
Must take a very open mind to believe this.
So long as nobody acts on this belief though, Now that would be concerning.
Or perhaps one that can think 'outside the box', and realise that things may not be all that they seem, or as they are said - for whatever reason. One that can sit back a bit and not just regurgitate the entire thing, over and over again.

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why do some people listen to this mad person?

we don't believe all the other mad people that happen to spout their own versions of madness: x, y, and z.

you know, the people with loud-speakers, or that shout in the street, who we all tactfully side-step and ignore.

the people that believe ella do so mainly because of her two attractive children, who performed well, as they needed to do, as they were afraid of what would happen if they didn't say their lines right.

because satanism is 'the porn of the evangelicals',

I think that says more about your and others' imaginations than anything else.

and

because this story is being promoted by an organised gang in the background.

who employ 'useful idiots' who are triggered by their own emotional traumas of the past.

Again - imagination and/or projection.

who want to save themselves (in the past) by now 'helping the children' (of today)

...even if it is all a big con.
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I think the hoax was deliberately set up to be ridiculous. The operation was/is concerned with infiltration and disruption of alternative internet media and reporting of political paedo-rings (historically controlled by the spooks themselves). They have been looking at and testing ways of getting content removed, sowing discord and mutual suspicion... and importantly spreading the long-ago discredited meme of "Satanic abuse" to muddy the waters of alternative internet discourse.
I assume that the only people giving credence to the original claims are either hopelessly uninformed (only watched a few sensationalist Youtube videos but never actually looked at the leaked evidence as well as really wanting the Satanic nonsense to be real) or are active participants in the Gchq operations.
There's no middle ground precisely because the original claims, after cursory scrutiny, are blatantly ridiculous, unfounded and obviously just made up. There's not anything "Satanic" about the cult as originally described, it's more like a cartoon pastiche of a voodoo cult or something. This appears quite deliberate to me.
So do I, but I wouldn't be so definite on saying the whole thing's a hoax.

I've had a feeling from the start, that there is a kernel of truth in what the children said, but that for some reason, 'embellishments' were made.
It may just be as simple as 'childish exaggeration'.

I also think that the 'Satanic' label is something that has been applied by people like Keelan Balderson, and lots of people here - rather than the children.
It is possible that there are murders, blood drinking etc. and that there is a 'cult', but that it has nothing to do with a concept of 'Satan'.
But then, taking the 'Satanic' theme and sprinting with it, is so very handy to use to springboard to the 'Satanic Panic' denouncement, isn't it?
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If they genuinely did raise that amount of cash, it's hardly surprising they are reluctant to ditch the charity fund-raising game.
if she raised a tenth of that cash is half a mil a year! how many folks reading this would consider themselves minted if they were earning £50K - 1/100th of it? no matter how you turn it its better than frying chips 12 hours a day i can tell ya!
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It may just be as simple as 'childish exaggeration'.
nothing simple or childish about ruining people's lives and accusing them of things they have not done.
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Or perhaps one that can think 'outside the box', and realise that things may not be all that they seem, or as they are said - for whatever reason. One that can sit back a bit and not just regurgitate the entire thing, over and over again.





Completely agree with you m8.
People that can believe this definitely have an "amazing" ability to think outside the box.
The craziest thing about it is this was an elaborate story told by an 8 and 9 year old regarding their superhero daddy, hardest man in the world and leader of Satanic parties of upto 40 people in a classroom at a time killing babies and dancing around with their skulls.
I am sure it is a story that probably most other kids of 8 and 9 would find too hard to believe. So yes, considering most 8 and 9 year olds, with their wild imaginations would probably poopa this story as just too far fetched, it really is testament to the abilities of adults to think outside the box.
It used to be Adults that had rationality and skepticism and would console children when they are scared of the bogeyman.
Nowadays when kids report the bogeyman under their bed, the adults run off out of the house and down the street shouting for police investigation. Good to see them thinking outside the box for a change.
There was a time when this was an ability usually displayed mostly in infants.
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Completely agree with you m8.
People that can believe this definitely have an "amazing" ability to think outside the box.
The craziest thing about it is this was an elaborate story told by an 8 and 9 year old regarding their superhero daddy, hardest man in the world and leader of Satanic parties of upto 40 people in a classroom at a time killing babies and dancing around with their skulls.
I am sure it is a story that probably most other kids of 8 and 9 would find too hard to believe. So yes, considering most 8 and 9 year olds, with their wild imaginations would probably poopa this story as just too far fetched, it really is testament to the abilities of adults to think outside the box.
It used to be Adults that had rationality and skepticism and would console children when they are scared of the bogeyman.
Nowadays when kids report the bogeyman under their bed, the adults run off out of the house and down the street shouting for police investigation. Good to see them thinking outside the box for a change.
There was a time when this was an ability usually displayed mostly in infants
Yup! I'd say they were completely out of their boxes those adults To quote chief wiggum - "hepped up on goofballs".
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nothing simple or childish about ruining people's lives and accusing them of things they have not done.
I was referring to the children childishly (and blamelessly) exaggerating.
As you surely must know.
Presumably you are not accusing the children of 'ruining people's lives and accusing them of things they have not done' - because they're children.
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