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I am left handed, so does that mean am an evil person. Thank god we live in the 21st century or maybe I would have been hung by now........phew




Right brained more than likely
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I was looking at links to Satanic abuse when I found this man...

Genesis PO-rridge...


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'...Genesis P-Orridge, born Neil Andrew Megson and later known as Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, is an English singer-songwriter, musician, poet, writer and performance artist. In the latter capacity P-Orridge was the founder of the COUM Transmissions artistic collective, which operated from 1969 to 1975.

As a musician, P-Orridge fronted the pioneering industrial band Throbbing Gristle between 1975 and 1981, and then the acid house band Psychic TV from 1981 to 1999. An occultist, P-Orridge is also a founding member of Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth.

P-Orridge's early confrontational performance work in COUM Transmissions, during the late 1960s and early 1970s, along with Throbbing Gristle, which dealt with subjects such as sex work, pornography, serial killers, occultism and P-Orridge's own exploration of gender issues, generated controversy — later musical work with Psychic TV received wider exposure. P-Orridge is credited on over 200 releases.

After marrying Lady Jaye Breyer P-Orridge in 1993, Genesis and Lady Jaye began "project Pandrogeny" to become Breyer P-Orridge, an entity described as an "amalgam" of their two selves. Genesis Breyer P-Orridge continued this project after the death of Lady Jaye in 2007. P-Orridge identifies using the pronouns s/he, h/er, and h/erself.


....In 1969, Megson dropped out of university and moved to London, where s/he joined the Transmedia Explorations commune, who were then living in a large run-down house in Islington Park Street.

The group, initiated by the artist David Medalla and initially named the Exploding Galaxy, had been at the forefront of the London hippy scene since 1967, but had partially disbanded after a series of police raids and a damaging court case. Moving into their commune, Megson was particularly influenced by one of the founding members of the group, Gerald Fitzgerald, a kinetic artist, and would recognise Fitzgerald's formative influence in h/er later work.

The commune members adhered to a strict regime with the intention of deconditioning its members out of their routines and conventional behaviour; they were forbidden from sleeping in the same place on consecutive nights, food was cooked at irregular times of the day and all clothing was kept in a communal chest, with its members wearing something different on each day.

Megson stayed there for three months, until late October 1969, when s/he decided to leave; s/he was angered that the commune's leaders were given more rights than the other members, and believed that the group ignored the counter-cultural use of music, something s/he took a great interest in.


His description of the commune in Islington...


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'...The commune was really, really rigorous. When you arrived, all your clothes went into a box in the middle of the basement, and any money you had was handed over. Really, a lot of it was classic cult deprogramming, or programming, depending on how you look at it. You could have a sleeping bag or a blanket, but you could never sleep in the same place twice. And you had to, on and on, keep trying to shed every kind of habit you might have...'

So, if someone was always talking in the same way, for instance, one of my habits was fiddling with my fingernails, which we still do with excess energy— You could go, 'Stop!' They'd all start haranguing you like, 'Why the hell are you doing that? What's wrong with you? Can't you stop? What's wrong with you? Why's your hair the same as it was yesterday? You've got no imagination? What's your fucking problem?' Anyway, from being in the Exploding Galaxy, we realized what they were doing was basically a psychotherapeutic thing.

They were trying to basically reduce down one's behavior to an empty plate, you know, erase all inherited, conditioned ways of behaving and responding to things so that theoretically you could build the self that you wish to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_Breyer_P-Orridge

What Wiki doesn't mention is this...


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On the 15th Feb. 1992, 23 officers of the Obscene Publications Squad entered the Brighton home of Genesis P-Orridge, artist, musician and founder of Thee Temple Ov Psychick Youth [TOPY]....The police were acting on evidence of organised ritual child abuse consisting of a video and the testimony of a witness who claimed to have been involved in the making of the video.

In the next few days the Observer carried a piece on the "first evidence of ritual abuse" and Channel Four's Dispatches aired edited highlights of the video and interviews with a woman who claimed she had sacrificed her daughter and undergone an abortion for the sake of a Psychick Youth Ritual.

....Within one week the origins of the video were exposed in the press. It was, in fact, part of a film, commissioned by Channel Four in 1980, featuring Derek Jarman, and designed to explore the power of editing the visual image.

The female witness was exposed as a "professional victim", born again Xtian, and ex-member of a charismatic Xtian sect. She had no conscious memory of the ritual events, the murders and abortions, they had been conveyed to her, (from her subconscious memory I presume), by one of the Fundamentalists.

Her testimony was shown to be factually incorrect. The programme makers were a Xtian company, the presenter had just published a book exposing the Satanic network in Britain....Genesis lost his extensive archives of unique avant-garde film and literature, lost his home and lost his country.

In Tibet feeding lepers and refugees at the time of the raid, he chose exile in the US as opposed to returning to the UK, facing possible jail time and the certain loss of his children, to foster homes, at least in the short term...'
http://lawsofsilence.blogspot.co.uk/...avile-row.html



Genesis with his children... Caresse and Genesse...


Well... I missed all this at the time and have never heard of Genesis PO-rridge and s/his body altering 'pandrogony'... s/he had breast implants and other surgery in order to alter his body to be as his wife's... so they would be one...

Good interview with him here...


http://technoccult.net/archives/cate...nesisporridge/

What really interested me was this... Wiki again...

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'Move to London: 1973–1976

...Following continual police harassment, P-Orridge and Tutti relocated to London, moving into a squat and obtaining a basement studio in Hackney which they named the "Death Factory".

After a brief correspondence, here P-Orridge met American novelist and poet William S. Burroughs, who later introduced him to the English poet and performance artist Brion Gysin.

Gysin would become a major influence upon P-Orridge's ideas and works and was h/er primary tutor in magic...'

Now I've heard of Williiam Burrough's in relation to LSD, MK Ultra and Tavistock... and the other guy, Brion Gysin, turns out to be really interesting...

I'll put the rest in another post I did the whole post earlier and closed the page by mistake

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Brion Gysin

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Brion Gysin, artist, traveller, writer and alchemist; one of the unsung English painters of the 20th Century, expelled by Breton from the Surrealists, and the seminal influence who introduced William Burroughs to the use of permutations and cut-ups in writing.

He remains today one of the unsung prophets of this century, a master magician whose methods can be applied by anyone, in any time and in any place. - See more at: http://briongysin.com/?category_name....1kCwrTSu.dpuf

He invented the Dreamachine...


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..Brion Gysin’s Dream Machine is a sculpture that, when seen with closed eyes, is meant to draw the viewer into a “trance-like, hallucinatory state.”

Brion Gysin (1916 – 1986) was a painter, performer, and poet who became famous for inventing the “cut-up method” (where words and phrases are cut up and rearranged to create new meaning) with his longtime friend and collaborator, the writer William S. Burroughs.

The Dream Machine is a light bulb suspended within a cardboard cylinder that has shapes cut out of it. The cylinder is attached to a record turntable that revolves at 78 rpm, which, according to the New Museum, “makes light pulse at a pace that corresponds to alpha waves present in the human brain during wakeful relaxation.” First displayed in 1962, the machine is so simple that some fans make them at home.

Gysin thought that visions the Dream Machine created on the interior of people’s eyelids were the paintings of the future: that soon enough, art would happen inside people’s heads instead of on paper.
- See more at: http://briongysin.com/?p=36#sthash.VhpX7xXo.dpuf




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“We must storm the citadels of enlightenment the means are at hand” William S. Burroughs

The UK launch of the first ever bespoke Brion Gysin DreamachineThe dreamachine is a stroboscopic flicker device you view with your eyes closed that produces visual stimuli and hallucinations.
Gysin believed that by offering the world a drugless high the invention could revolutionize human consciousness.The night will include talks, film, music and Dreamachines!TALKS
Terry Wilson | Ian MacFadyen | Rikki Stein | Stewart Home
MUSIC
Robert Hampson Music for Dreamachines installation
Fritz Catlin / Skintologists ex 23 Skidoo DJ set
Akoustik Timbre Frekuency
UN

FILMS
> Aphex Twin’s Stakker Westworld from Marek Pytel and Reality Film
> Master Musicians of Joujouka new films
> FLicKeR :: A Film By Nik Sheehan
featuring Marianne Faithfull, DJ Spooky, The Stooges, Iggy Pop, Lee Ranaldo, Genesis P-Orridge,
John Giorno, Floria Sigismondi, and Kenneth Anger, Terry Wilson and others.
> 1960s Antony Balch film
featuring Ian Sommerville, Brion Gysin, William Burroughs, Alexander Trocchi Jean-Jacques Lebel
with live soundtrack mix by Frank Rynne

Modern Panic III @ Apiary Studios
Saturday 24th November 2012
8pm – Late
458 Hackney Road, London E2 9EG
MAP

Picture
Limited Tickets Available – NOW ON SALE!


“The Dreamachine is an aid to visionary experience” Aldous Huxley

First shown in 1962 the Dreamachine was invented in Paris by painter and visionary Brion Gysin, who also invented the Cut-Up method of writing for William S. Burroughs and a young Cambridge scholar Ian Sommerville. In Paris they lived at run down hotel which became known as The Beat Hotel as it was home to Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso, William S. Burroughs and a host of Beatnik experimenters.

The Dreamachine was the first artwork intended to be viewed with the eyes closed. The Dreamachine is a cylindrical spinning device with a light which emits Alpha waves which cause changes in the brain to produce sensory changes, swirling colour patterns and intense dreams.

Over the past 50 it has been used by William Burroughs, Kurt Cobain, David Bowie, John Giorno, Paul McCartney, Marilyn Manson, Laurie Anderson, Keith Haring, Allen Ginsberg, Ira Cohen, Iggy Pop, Marianne Faithfull, Kenneth Anger, Beck, Genesis Breyer P-Orridge and countless other artists and hipsters.

In 2012 the first ever mass produced models have been created. At the Toronto launch in October 2012 Booker prize winners Margaret Atwood, Michael Ondaatje and John Geiger where the guests of honour. We will be launching the UK première of the dreamachines at Modern Panic III – Join us!

I've never even heard of this dreamachine before now...

Here's a description of what it does and a link to show you how to make one yourself out of a cylinder, a record turntable and a lightbulb...

http://www.legendsmagazine.net/105/brion.htm

Brion Gysin patented his dreamachine as he was convinced it would replace television

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BELIEF SYSTEMS - (real or imagined)

WHAT'S IN A NAME?


SAVILE



"In 20 years of broadcasting I've never said my name out loud; and the BBC will tell you I refuse to play a jingle that has Jimmy Savile in it."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOoPlGdCUAAc8Si.jpg:med

"Like me and my no name policy"


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOoRGkJCIAAfHfG.jpg:med



(source -that masonic website that musn't be linked)



Harry Potter - Voldemort - more programming of minds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Voldemort



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promet..._%28Shelley%29



http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Th...nnot_Be_Spoken

Savile has often been described as KEY to unravelling what is happening now. Is this emphasis on not uttering his name a clue/link to his belief system?

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Is this why royalty insist on being addressed with a title/honorific?
difficult to keep up with the flow of this thread!

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Rumpelstiltskin

In order to make himself appear more important, a miller lies to a king, telling him that his daughter can spin straw into gold. The king calls for the girl, shuts her in a tower room filled with straw and a spinning wheel, and demands that she spin the straw into gold by morning or he will cut off her head (other versions have the king threatening to lock her up in a dungeon forever). She has given up all hope when an imp-like creature appears in the room and spins the straw into gold for her in return for her necklace. When the king takes the girl on the next morning to a larger room filled with straw to repeat the feat, the imp spins in return for the girl's ring. On the third day, when the girl has been taken to an even larger room filled with straw and told by the king that he will marry her if she can fill this room with gold or kill her if she cannot, the girl has nothing left with which to pay the strange creature. He extracts from her a promise that her firstborn child will be given to him, and spins the room full of gold a final time.

The king keeps his promise to marry the miller's daughter, but when their first child is born, the imp returns to claim his payment: "Now give me what you promised." The now-queen offers him all the wealth she has if she may keep the child. The imp has no interest in her riches, but finally consents to give up his claim to the child if the queen is able to guess his name within three days. Her many guesses over the first two days fail, but before the final night, her messenger (though he does not know the significance of his mission) comes across the imp's remote mountain cottage and watches, unseen, as the imp hops about his fire and sings. In his song's lyrics, he reveals his name.[1]

When the imp comes to the queen on the third day and she, after first feigning ignorance, reveals his true name, Rumpelstiltskin, he loses his temper and his bargain. In the 1812 edition of the Brothers Grimm tales, Rumpelstiltskin then "ran away angrily, and never came back." The ending was revised in a final 1857 edition to a more gruesome ending wherein Rumpelstiltskin "in his rage drove his right foot so far into the ground that it sank in up to his waist; then in a passion he seized the left foot with both hands and tore himself in two." Other versions have Rumpelstiltskin driving his right foot so far into the ground that he creates a chasm and falls into it, never to be seen again. In the oral version originally collected by the brothers Grimm, Rumpelstiltskin flies out of the window on a cooking ladle (Heidi Anne Heiner).
it seems that the name means "little rattle stilt" (little goblin/poltergeist)" in german. I don't speak german so I can't say if that's true or not, would be nice to hear from a german speaker on this. notice that the imp plays a game with the miller's daughter, a reoccurring theme I think. the imp also follows the rules of his game. one of the rules appears to be equal exchange.
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difficult to keep up with the flow of this thread!

the imp also follows the rules of his game. one of the rules appears to be equal exchange.

Granted! - I am now trying to catch up and somehow digest the information to make some order and sense of things.

It started from the Savile expose:

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Perfectly reasonable to wonder how the fuck this shit world got to such a stage that child abuse is an international money making industry

Why do we go round in circles, sometimes covering the same ground, with so much of the information we have found?

Because right-minded individuals just can't believe this has been going on for so long under their noses

We desperately seek answers in the small details, hoping that there will be a clue, a piece of information we have missed. Some way of unraveling all this SHIT.

The reality is we need to comprehend THE BIGGER DRIVING FORCES as well as identifying who the INDIVIDUALS are.

The TRUTH is possibly far more horrific than anyone of us would wish to face.

The REALITY is that the EVIL has permeated every sector of authority - including the judiciary, government, police, education, welfare services, health - you name it - the canker resides within.

This hasn't occurred via ''happenstance'' - it's premeditated, planned, orchestrated and implemented by trained (brainwashed) operatives.

Until we face that - and FACE IT OFF - then imho, we may win a battle - but we will not win the war.
.................................................. ..........................................

The timing and manner of the revalations regarding Savile as a predatory paedophile and the fact that he 'cloaked' his behaviour behind a facade - comprising CHARITY, MUSIC, CELEBRITY, RELIGION, SPORT AND HOSPITALS -all with ROYAL AND GOVERNMENT support, were 'curious'.

The McAlpine stunt was obviously connected to Leveson - so the whole expose seemed very contrived,premeditated - and part of an overall AGENDA.

The symbolism of the OLYMPIC CEREMONIES seemed to SHOWCASE many of these facets relevant to Savile's life.

OCCULT/SATANIC indicators and warnings in many films, books, music. often appear predictive. What did the Olympic RITUAL tell us of the future plans?

What CULT BELIEF drives this?

Where does it emanate from?

WHAT is the ONE UNIFYING DRIVER?

Do the findings around Savile expose help decipher the GAMEPLAY - the TIMING and the Direction?


For me at the moment, it feels as if the SATURN connection is what the media are pushing in our faces - almost as if to say " If you want a secret cult conspiracy theory - then here's one we prepared earlier".

All credible - has all the mythological background and mystery - plus connects to Egypt.

For me the jury is out. Is it part of the reveal - or another hoodwink?

However the Osiris/occult/magician thing with Savile is analogous to the John Dee role - the original 007 - again showcased in the Olympics.

The Psycho Establishment is definitely playing mind games. There is most definitely an orchestrated event on the horizon tapping into our natural energy.

The chemtrails have started again in earnest - after days of clear skies.

This is not random.

Bilderberg in UK - not random

There is a pattern to what they do - they have a format and a protocol - a CODE. I guess what we are trying to do is BREAK THAT CODE?
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Tavistock Institute



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Review of Section 13 Public Interest Refusals in light of Savile revelations

Richard Card made this Freedom of Information request to Attorney General’s Office

Waiting for an internal review by Attorney General’s Office of their handling of this request.
From: Richard Card

1 May 2013

Dear Attorney General’s Office,


In recent weeks you have used the Public Interest argument to
refuse to disclose whether or not your office gave, or was
approached for, legal advice re the Rights
of Inmates of Leonard
Cheshire Homes
who were subjected to research by Tavistock
Institute
commissioned by then Ministry of Health 1966 to 1969
(Involving 22 Leonard Cheshire Homes)


This history of using public interest secret custodianship, to
refuse to answer any questions or enable access to High Court to
answer allegations concerning Sue Ryder and Leonard Cheshire, sits
ill
does it not with the potential Roman Catholic causes to raise
this pair to sainthood ?

Jimmy Savile is now notorious and his miraculous cure as an infant,
used in a Saint making validation cause ?, is perhaps overlooked.

But the fact has emerged of a rape of an inmate allegation against
Savile 1977 at a Leeds Sue Ryder Home.


It is self evident then that Sue Ryder Homes were not a case of
excellent security and safety of inmates.

Since the 1990s a number of applications have been made (Including
by tory barrister MP Roger Evans) seeking


Section 13 Coroners Act
1988 fiat of Attorney General to access High Court seeking a quash
of the suicide verdict handed down on Matron Mary McGILL 1972 Sue
Ryder Home Cavendish.

It has been clear, from the autopsy report and the affidavits, that
the body
of Matron McGILL had circular developed bruising to each ileac crest.

Palpating the ileac crests for tenderness or examining the body for
bruising (even slight) is a standard examination which can be
indicative of anal rape or attempted anal rape.


The original inquest held in secret, within 3 days of the death,
within the Sue Ryder Home failed to account for the final 19 hours
of
Matron McGILL's life. Clearly 19 hours is a sufficient window of
opportunity for ileac crest bruising to develop (IE Not to be
coincident bruising at death.

The shin bruising is called "Tramlining" and usually results from a
blow from a cylindrical object. This too was developed bruising.


The original part autopsy (and remember that Sue Ryder conspired to
prevent the family availing rights to full autopsy and legal
representation) made no forensic tests and never established
whether death was by primary or secondary drowning (the delayed
protein lung surfactant reaction)

So even on the sparse evidence of part autopsy and the anomaly,
that rigor mortis had not developed at a time consistent with an
early morning death, there was time for bruising to develop between
whatever incident caused the bruises until death occurred some time
later.

Your position, purportedly in public interest, is to exempt Leonard
Cheshire, Sue Ryder, their charity founders and the McGILL Decd
case from answerability at law.


Although a Constable is an independent ministerial officer of the
Crown you have placed secret public interest (your unexplained
version) above the laws and constitution by which only HM the Queen
is sole fount of justice
. Guaranteeing to her people that her sworn
constables will discharge duty faithfully ONLY unto law.

In short it seems to me that your office undermines the Queen as
sole fount of justice (Treason) and in so doing will ensure that
the Roman Catholic Church makes its future Saint creation decisions
largely uninformed of the facts.

My position is clear. I have deposed to making mistakes in McGILL
Decd as a young officer. But my oath is to discharge duty
faithfully only unto law. that is to bend my knee to no man in the
duty save a JUDGE in OPEN COURT.


I cannot condone this situation in which independent constables are
expected to discharge duty without judgment and in secrecy to a
govt law officer who never explains his decisions.
The secret state
that undermines the office of constable, that undermines the Queen,
that undermines the principle of primacy of law.

So will you look again at McGILL Decd ? And give FOI explanation in
the public domain
?


Yours faithfully,

Richard Card
Quote:

More info on this case here:

http://www.johnnypops.demon.co.uk/po...g-the-dirt.htm

Mike laughed and said that I would never guess the most sinister inquiry he had been on in police. And expecting me to be surprised he said "Cheshire Homes".

What then happened was that in a population of 56 millions against all the odds two surviving ex coppers had met and two halves of a story came together.


There was a stitch up.

The concocted story presented as evidence at the 1972 inquest was initiated by exploitation of ten year old mentally handicapped jeremy Cheshire who initiated the 2 PM discovery by allegedly finding the body in the boatshed whilst playing in the garden at 2 PM.

The care inquiry of 1972 was a stitch up (one phone call to Social services calibre). But a local doctor wrote two letters for attention of the inquiry ... the doctor wrote "People are extraordinarily blinded by the smokescreen of charity" and that the homes are not so much a case of loving patients as of loving Sue Ryder loving patients. The doctor also offered an opinion on Sue Ryder's mental state .. to the effect that she was not a suitable person to have care of vulnerable persons and that she could only be rational if under the influence of persons more in touch with human reality.

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Sue Ryder Care, a charity founded in 1953 by Sue Ryder, before she met Leonard Cheshire, is also one of the 50 largest charities in the UK.[14]
http://www.johnnypops.demon.co.uk/po...g-the-dirt.htm

Also:

Thinking about coroners and such. Is there an official death report for Savile? Who was the coroner? What exactly were the circumstances of his death, was there an autopsy done, was time of death determined etc?






http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/gro...s/message/6036
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard...ire_Disability
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...13_public_inte

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On the subject of 'unexplained' phenomena..............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpVx7...ature=youtu.be

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Possible EVP During Radio Show? 666 Killer Jimmy Savile
Published on Jul 15, 2013

WARNING: SOME MY FIND THIS AUDIO VERY DISTURBING.
SUBJECT MATTER NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN.

Last night while presenting my radio show (The Velocity of Now) live on the air, I was doing a segment on a theory I have that Jimmy Savile was the other half of a team of sex killers which included Peter Suthcliffe (aka The Yorkshire). As I became more upset by the segment's subject matter, strange audio sounds like snarling and growling were heard live on air by the listeners, but not by me in my home studio. They clearly can be heard on the podcast. The segment of the show has been isolated here.
WARNING THIS IS VERY UNSETTLING AND NOT FOR CHILDREN

Program Details
http://thomassheridanofficialblog.blo...

Original Audio Broadcast
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/type1rad...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...ostcount=72122
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Granted! - I am now trying to catch up and somehow digest the information to make some order and sense of things.

It started from the Savile expose:



.................................................. ..........................................

The timing and manner of the revalations regarding Savile as a predatory paedophile and the fact that he 'cloaked' his behaviour behind a facade - comprising CHARITY, MUSIC, CELEBRITY, RELIGION, SPORT AND HOSPITALS -all with ROYAL AND GOVERNMENT support, were 'curious'.

The McAlpine stunt was obviously connected to Leveson - so the whole expose seemed very contrived,premeditated - and part of an overall AGENDA.

The symbolism of the OLYMPIC CEREMONIES seemed to SHOWCASE many of these facets relevant to Savile's life.

OCCULT/SATANIC indicators and warnings in many films, books, music. often appear predictive. What did the Olympic RITUAL tell us of the future plans?

What CULT BELIEF drives this?

Where does it emanate from?

WHAT is the ONE UNIFYING DRIVER?

Do the findings around Savile expose help decipher the GAMEPLAY - the TIMING and the Direction?


For me at the moment, it feels as if the SATURN connection is what the media are pushing in our faces - almost as if to say " If you want a secret cult conspiracy theory - then here's one we prepared earlier".

All credible - has all the mythological background and mystery - plus connects to Egypt.

For me the jury is out. Is it part of the reveal - or another hoodwink?

However the Osiris/occult/magician thing with Savile is analogous to the John Dee role - the original 007 - again showcased in the Olympics.

The Psycho Establishment is definitely playing mind games. There is most definitely an orchestrated event on the horizon tapping into our natural energy.

The chemtrails have started again in earnest - after days of clear skies.

This is not random.

Bilderberg in UK - not random

There is a pattern to what they do - they have a format and a protocol - a CODE. I guess what we are trying to do is BREAK THAT CODE?
BBC building:



they're trying to steal the flock.
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Logos - I think they OWN the 'flock' - REGIS TERED AT BIRTH

Without doubt, people - especially children are a commodity to be traded and trafficked and used to create wealth for a few.
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Logos - I think they OWN the 'flock' - REGIS TERED AT BIRTH

Without doubt, people - especially children are a commodity to be traded and trafficked and used to create wealth for a few.
like I said earlier, I think it's an ongoing game. everyone could suddenly stop cooperating.

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Old 16-07-2013, 11:06 AM   #231
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I never heard of him before. googled onto this article...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...g=4415,4470143
The Milwaukee Journal - Aug 13, 1944

Gilles de Rais, Sanctified Bluebeard

For 300 years French worshiped at Tomb of Monster of Brittany Who Sacrificed 200 Children in Sadistic Rites to Propitiate Demons
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Old Satanic Assembly Sites


http://books.google.com/books?id=Crz...page&q&f=false
The Witch-Cult in Western Europe: A Study in Anthropology
By Margaret Alice Murray

...The confusion of the original Lane de Bouc, i.e. the Sabbath or Great Assembly, with local meetings is thus shown to be due to the inaccuracy of the witches themselves; and therefore it is not surprising that de Lancre and other authors should also fail to distinguish between the two. Still, in many of the records there are certain indications by which it is possible to recognize the localities where the real Sabbath, the true Lane de Bouc, was held.

De Lancre himself notes that the Sabbath must be held near a lake, stream, or water of some kind. Bodin, however, gives a better clue. The Croix is clearly the Christian form of the standing stone which is a marked feature in many descriptions of the Sabbath; and Bodin's statement recalls one of the laws of Cnut in the eleventh century, 'We earnestly forbid every heathenism: heathenism is, that men worship idols; that is that they worship heathen gods, or stones, or forest trees of any kind.'

...At Poietiers in 1574......At Aberdeen in 1596 the witches acknowledged that they danced round the market cross and the 'fische croce' on All-Hallow-eve; and also round 'ane gray stane' at the foot of the hill at Criagleauch. Margaret Johnson said 'shee was not at the greate meetinge at Hoarestones at the Forest of Pendle upon All Saints day'. Though no stone is actually mentioned the name suggests that there had been, or still were, one or more stones standing in that place.

The Swedish witches (1669) seem to have used the same site for both kinds of meetings; Blockula seems to have been a building of some kind, set in a meadow which was entered by a painted gate; within the building were rooms and some kind of chapel for the religious services. The New England recorders (1692) did not enter into much detail, but even among them the fact is mentioned that there was a General Meeting of the Witches, in a Field at Salem-Village'.

In modern times the identification of stones or of certain places with the Devil or with witch meetings is very noticeable. Out of innumerable instances I will mention only a few. In Guernsey the Catioric is always identified as the site of the Sabbath. In Belgium a Godarville (Hainaut) se trouve un tunnel hante par les sorcieres; ells y tiennent leur sabbat'.

It is also noticeable how many of our own stone circles, such as the Nine Maidens, the Daning Maidens, and so on, are connected by tradition with women who danced there on the Sabbath.
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The ancient festivals remained all through... in the spring, May Eve (April 30), called Roodmas or Rood Day in Britain and Walpurgis-Nacht in Germany; in the autumn November Eve (October 31), called in Britain All Hallow Eve. Between these two came: in the winter, Candlemas (February 2); and in the summer, the Gule of August (August 1), called Lammas in Britain. To these were added the festivals of the solstitial invaders, Beltrane at midsummer and Yule at midwinter; the movable festival of Easter was also added, but the equinoxes were never observed in Britain. On the advent of Christianity the names of the festivals were changed, and the date of one - Roodmas - was slightly altered so as to fall on May 3;...But the Great Assemblies were always held on the four original days, and it is this fact which makes it possible to distinguish certainly between the Sabbath and the Esbat whenever dates are mentioned.

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http://website.lineone.net/~simon.jones/bjlecat.htm

Le Catioroc, La Perrelle, Guernsey

The original building had been a watch house, built in 1739. A little square stone hut, walls 2'6" thick, of Guernsey granite, two little windows facing east and west, a fire place on the south wall, and its half-door facing north over the bay, from which the Customs Officer, sentry, call him what you will, could watch the privateers and pirates and general ruffianry of the west coast.
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I knew there was a rather old bed-ridden man who lived there in some squalor, because I know that an uncle of mine, Dr Le Page, used to visit him regularly. There was nothing particularly wrong with the old man, except, perhaps, he did not want to work, and he scrounged around somehow and my uncle and my aunt loved the view as I grew to love it eventually.

The old man apparently had enough to live on but just did not care. He was eased very much by small boys who were not any more than my age and some of then are still living around today, and they used to shout through his windows which had no glass, only sacking, and run in and annoy him as he rested on his jonquiere by the fire. Naturally he got annoyed and form the show he put up, he became known as "the bloodsucker". And Le Catioroc, for a long time, long after he had gone, and I had it, was known as the bloodsucker's house. "Oh Mr Jones, you live in the bloodsucker's house". Not a pretty title, but I was proud of it!
...
there is a Rue de Catioroc, and the hill; it gets its name from the Norsemen who had a camp the rock top. Quite clearly they were not the first inhabitants. The people of the cromlechs and the dolmens were long before that but the camp on the rock was a Norse camp, the earthworks of which were very clearly visible up to the German occupation.

They widened thing, pulled old stones down, pulled a menhir down which Miss Carey would call La Dame Du Catioroc for no other reason than that it was a pillar of stone. She told me that as far as was known, the whole top of this Catioroc hill held the largest collection of prehistoric stones, whatever they represented in the Island, and they were known as Les Portes du Catioroc. Over one hundred years ago, when the sea walls were built, and the coast road constructed, granite quarried from at Perelle and , to this day, there is a large quarry there, disused but the removal of stones from the top of the hill removed a very great deal of Les Portes du Catioroc - in fact, very few stones were recognisable. There are stones in the lane going up to the top which Miss Carey could account for, but thought they might be of Roman origin, but if they were, they would be nothing like the age of the original people who inhabited our Island.

Very few people know that our Island has been an Island for some seventeen thousand years and that Jersey, for instance, has been an island only five thousand years and, while digressing, it is interesting to realise, though how on earth it has been worked our by geologists, that Guernsey was connected to Alderney by a vast plain and when the sea broke through, the Casquets Rocks were the pinnacles of an island a good deal larger than Guernsey is today. Thus, anyone or anything or any form of civilisation might have been on the top of the little catioroc hill.

However, there was a great number of relics of the old Portes du Catioroc up to the occupation by the Germans...
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http://www.megalithicguernsey.co.uk/letrepied/

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http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issu.../7653/page.pdf

Name of deceased (surname first)
Hardie, James David Alexander

Address, description and date of death of Deceased
Le Catioric, Perelle, St. Savior's, Guernsey, Lieutenant Colonel In Her Majesty's Army (retired). 15th December 1970

Names, addresses and descriptions of Persons to whom notices of claims are to be given
Lloyd's Bank Limited, Executor and Trustee Department
Bilmes & Co, Solicitors.
...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...g=5735,5620807
The Pittsburgh Press - Oct 8, 1944
Real estate deals

LLOYD REAL ESTATE CO - Two-story building containing 30,000 square feet at 461 Melwood St., for the Faunce Motor Co. to the Goal Co.

"The Hardie Properties" in Oakland, consisting of five apartment houses with 53 units, one drug store building and eight houses, for James Hardie, trustee, to John E. Kelly.
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http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...289749473.html
Fairfax Digital - 13 May 2003

Hardie knocked back insurance

James Hardie shopped around insurers and brokers in August 2000 to find out what it would cost it to insure projected asbestos disease claims, the NSW Government inquiry into the shortfall in funding those claims by the company has been told.

James Hardie rejected the insurance options and instead set up a trust in February 2001 with a starting asset base of $293 million, which the company said at the time would meet all future asbestos disease claims.
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Lloyd's of London owned satanic Sabbath site in Guernsey

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Old 16-07-2013, 11:52 AM   #233
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Child sacrifice, human sacrifice and BLOOD RITUALS appear throughout history and through to the present day.

They seem to have been intrinsic to so many civilisations/cults/sects/belief systems. Sometimes overtly practised. Obviously still practised in the Western world, as the sickening details of snuff movies evidence.

Omens and auspicious dates - 9/11 and 7/7 - mass sacrifice? Horrific events STAGED to occur on certain days (numerological significance/astrological significance).

Events used to CONTROL the masses through FEAR and an excuse to remove freedoms, effect new legislation and further SUBJUGATE.

The message delivered appears to be - ''we will protect you from the ''unknown terror'' -
so 'do as you are bid' - just follow instructions.

That's pretty much the same mind game that must have been played throughout history. Maybe the difference is that in the modern world the ''unknown terror'' is known - and created via technology specifically to instil fear and obedience and the mass brain-washing can be delivered right to the living room.

Was it the same in ancient times? They had unexplained skills and technology of their own. Or did they solely rely on people's ignorance v the elite's better knowledge and RITUALS to 'pull the wool over the eyes?

So were SATURN and the STARS and PLANETS the ancients' version of TV -their means of communicating a message to the masses? Instil the idea that there is a massive 'EYE' in the 'SKY' that watches your every move and has immense power - so cowtow or else?

(Same MO as mass surveillance today? )

Just musings

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Old 16-07-2013, 12:20 PM   #234
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British royals ‘used to be cannibals dining on human flesh’
Friday 20 May 2011 12:44 pm

The British royal family have been firmly in the limelight recently, with the nuptials between Prince William and
Kate Middleton making headline news around the world.

But now a new reason has emerged why the royals might be a particularly interesting subject, with the revelation that they used to dine on human flesh.
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"Mummies, Cannibals and Vampires," a book by Richard Sugg of Durham University, says well-off and well-educated people in Britain and Europe swallowed parts of the human body, including flesh, blood and bones, as medicine, the Daily Mirror reported last week.

"Along with Charles II, eminent users or prescribers included Francis I, Elizabeth I's surgeon John Banister, Elizabeth Grey, countess of Kent, Robert Boyle, Thomas Willis, William III, and Queen Mary," Sugg said.

I think the authors may be using the wrong tense.

Also made me think about the quote about the bones/ashes of humans & Saturn


http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2011...4421306263769/
http://metro.co.uk/2011/05/20/britis...n-flesh-17539/

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Child sacrifice, human sacrifice and BLOOD RITUALS appear throughout history and through to the present day.

They seem to have been intrinsic to so many civilisations/cults/sects/belief systems. Sometimes overtly practised. Obviously still practised in the Western world, as the sickening details of snuff movies evidence.


So were SATURN and the STARS and PLANETS the ancients' version of TV -their means of communicating a message to the masses? Instil the idea that there is a massive 'EYE' in the 'SKY' that watches your every move and has immense power - so cowtow or else?

(Same MO as mass surveillance today? )

Just musings

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...years-ago.html
Archeologists discover thousands of stone-age etchings in Mexico carved into rocks by our ancestors 6,000 years ago




Saturn in the northern sky behind Mars and Venus. The Wheel on a Pedestal.












http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/


Sphere Within Sphere created by the Italian sculptor Pomodoro in the Cortile della Pigna, Vatican, Rome. Is this symbolic of cosmic catastrophism in the ancient past?

http://thecosmicspirit.blogspot.com/...-electric.html

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Reading back through posts here, of evidence thro the ages of how certain sectors of society FEED off those less fortunate, these words came to me.

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There is nothing new under the Sun
Shakespeare
SONNET 59

If there be nothing new, but that which is
Hath been before, how are our brains beguiled,


Modern version

If there is nothing new under the sun, but that which
Has been before, how are our brains cheated,

http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/59detail.html

From the ancient history book known as the Bible

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Under the Sun is found in the Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:9, "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Sun

That's what's happened thro time - 'our brains have been cheated' = MASS MIND CONTROL via ILLUSION and MANIPULATION

SAVILE HOODWINKED A NATION
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Re the Cave paintings and illicit substances............

This was touted yesterday

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Were cave-painters on DRUGS? New study claims paintings show prehistoric man was 'high' on psychedelic plants

Researchers believe cavemen ate hallucinogenic plants during rituals
These drugs would have caused them to 'see' swirling patterns
These patterns can be seen in cave paintings across the world
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ic-plants.html

And why has the VATICAN - that purveyor of a belief (CONTROL) system - got THE biggest optical telescope?

Because advance knowledge of planetary activity and the consequences of same can be used to direct/influence the MINDS of the masses - ?

How did they SEE these planets 6000 years ago - WITHOUT the aid of HIGH TECH telescopes?

Did they SEE them in the MIND'S EYE (3rd eye?)

A different FREQUENCY/ENERGY enables us to SEE with our third eye, which is what they can't allow the mass population to experience?

@Salamander's posts
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Brion Gysin’s Dream Machine is a sculpture that, when seen with closed eyes, is meant to draw the viewer into a “trance-like, hallucinatory state.”

Brion Gysin (1916 – 1986) was a painter, performer, and poet who became famous for inventing the “cut-up method” (where words and phrases are cut up and rearranged to create new meaning) with his longtime friend and collaborator, the writer William S. Burroughs.

The Dream Machine is a light bulb suspended within a cardboard cylinder that has shapes cut out of it. The cylinder is attached to a record turntable that revolves at 78 rpm, which, according to the New Museum, “makes light pulse at a pace that corresponds to alpha waves present in the human brain during wakeful relaxation.” First displayed in 1962, the machine is so simple that some fans make them at home.

Gysin thought that visions the Dream Machine created on the interior of people’s eyelids were the paintings of the future: that soon enough, art would happen inside people’s heads instead of on paper.
- See more at: http://briongysin.com/?p=36#sthash.VhpX7xXo.dpuf
As usual - more questions than answers - just loads of thoughts swirling (without the aid of a dream machine )
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@Troy - from your post - a link to a video -


Symbols of an Alien Sky | Official Movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY


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What a spectacular light show from the cosmos! Imagine the young early formation minds of civilization witnessing and interpreting such a shocking display. What we do or how would we react if it had happened today?
Exploring our Electric Universe
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how did they see these planets 6000 years ago - without the aid of high tech telescopes?

Did they see them in the mind's eye (3rd eye?)

a different frequency/energy enables us to see with our third eye, which is what they can't allow the mass population to experience?
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@Troy - from your post - a link to a video -


Symbols of an Alien Sky | Official Movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY


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What a spectacular light show from the cosmos! Imagine the young early formation minds of civilization witnessing and interpreting such a shocking display. What we do or how would we react if it had happened today?
Exploring our Electric Universe
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/

I'm gonna get out my lawnchair and starting painting sunrises.
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