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Old 07-10-2011, 10:44 AM   #21
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Thanks for that liquidpluto_uk.
I have to ask, has a Liability Order been granted?
Yes, they got one in 2008, the bailiffs came 3 times, I ignored them and it
went back to the council.
The council then wrote to me to say they would be coming to see me, they
came I wasn't here.

The bailiffs came again in 2009, again I ignored them and it went back to the
council. Haven't heard from them since.

Do I call this a win? Absolutely not lol

They will eventually ask for a commital order but I do not fear it, it will be a
nice break from my annoying neighbour lol
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:48 AM   #22
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Yes, they got one in 2008, the bailiffs came 3 times, I ignored them and it
went back to the council.
The council then wrote to me to say they would be coming to see me, they
came I wasn't here.

The bailiffs came again in 2009, again I ignored them and it went back to the
council. Haven't heard from them since.

Do I call this a win? Absolutely not lol

They will eventually ask for a commital order but I do not fear it, it will be a
nice break from my annoying neighbour lol
It's refreshing to read such honesty.
Thanks for that.
So, would it be fair to say that fotl has not actually worked as such but has managed to delay the process? Would that be why you described those that follow this stuff (including yourself) as option 3: Wishful thinkers?

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Old 07-10-2011, 11:01 AM   #23
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This FOTL section has been going since 2008 and despite claims by the FOTL crew that FOTL works, so far there has not been one verifiable instance of FOTL working in court posted on these boards. Not only in England and Wales, but anywhere.
So I have to ask are those that make the claim that FOTL does work:

1. Mad?

2. Liars?

3. Wishful thinkers?

4. None of the above?

If the answer is 4, then what are they?
Tbh I think that it is probably a mixture of 1,2 and 3. From reading posts here and elsewhere it would seem that people come to freeman on the land for a myriad of reasons and claim it works for just as many reasons. Mainly though there appears to be a sense of entitlement and 'right' which drives people to continue to beat the fmotl drum despite prison sentences and losing their homes etc.
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Old 07-10-2011, 11:32 AM   #24
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I own my home so the bastards can't take that away from me...its all bought and paid for...There is defo some truth in the FOTL brigade...it just depends on how far your willing to go.
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Old 07-10-2011, 11:50 AM   #25
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It's refreshing to read such honesty.
Thanks for that.
So, would it be fair to say that fotl has not actually worked as such but has managed to delay the process? Would that be why you described those that follow this stuff (including yourself) as option 3: Wishful thinkers?
You're welcome

Yes, I would say that is a fair assessment of my situation. Some may call
what I have done a win for FMOTL but I would disagree. I have no illusions
about what I am doing, THEY WILL eventually ask for my committal to prison
so it is definatley not a win, I've just delayed the process as you suggest.

I think in the beginning I was hopeful that FMOTL would work but the more
research I do the less I believe it. While we have fools trying to use this then
it will never work, we will be seen as just that, fools.

If you break a law, an act or a statute then you better be prepared to pay
the price but I do believe there are ways around the current system
as long as you don't want something for nothing.

Am I wishful thinker, absolutely, I hope one day to live in a fair and just
system but today is not that day.
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:41 PM   #26
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which is why you wont hear of any success

We do observe people on here saying it does work.
It is those people who I am talking about.
For instance Menard has offered a few examples he claimed were successes. When examined they weren't.
So why do people do that?

(Thanks to liquidpluto_uk BTW)

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Old 07-10-2011, 01:39 PM   #27
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This FOTL section has been going since 2008 and despite claims by the FOTL crew that FOTL works, so far there has not been one verifiable instance of FOTL working in court posted on these boards. Not only in England and Wales, but anywhere.
So I have to ask are those that make the claim that FOTL does work:

1. Mad?

2. Liars?

3. Wishful thinkers?

4. None of the above?

If the answer is 4, then what are they?
From what I have observed about FOTL, those who preach it are 1,2 and 3. And I will add misguided and selfish to that too.

I agree with Liquidpluto, why pay for something you don't use?
I have lost count how many times I have grumbled about paying tax, but then I thought to myself, hang on a mo, I still use the services those taxes pay for so what am I moaning about?

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which is why you wont hear of any success.
Doesn't really make much sense because what is the point of treasure hunting if you cannot reap the rewards?
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:03 PM   #28
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reap v share



think it over, look down your street, philanthropy jumping out in view, or gates?
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And I will add misguided and selfish to that too.
Oh well, never mind.

Although I'm not quite sure you understand what I meant. I never said anything about sharing the treasure. In order to reap the rewards one would have to give the treasure away in exchange for somethign of equal value to the treasure.
Hording it is of no benefit.
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:49 PM   #29
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.There is defo some truth in the FOTL brigade...it just depends on how far your willing to go.

Can we have some real proof to back up your statement?
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Old 07-10-2011, 03:09 PM   #30
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ive allways loved the idea of fmotl, i made a honest commitment to its cause in 2008 , even to go to the first freeman convention in notts.

ive had 1 major victory, a fpn and ive all the letters to back up my claim, they are posted on the web on what was a freeman forum but i think its not around now.

that was in 2009.

since then ive seen so many ppl get screwed over in court that it just confirmes to me that we live in a dictatorship, and not a justice society.
we can not win in there courts when they hold allthe cards.

i uphold as many freeman values as i can but the main one is treat others with respect, honesty and do no harm.

i grow alot of my own food, and preserve as much of it as i can through winter. i shoot my meat illeagally but lawfully. ( i have a right to feed myself)

i refuse to cooperate with any governmental agency , ie electorial forms and censuses.... tax is a no no too. self employed !!!
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Old 07-10-2011, 03:22 PM   #31
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This FOTL section has been going since 2008 and despite claims by the FOTL crew that FOTL works, so far there has not been one verifiable instance of FOTL working in court posted on these boards. Not only in England and Wales, but anywhere.
So I have to ask are those that make the claim that FOTL does work:

1. Mad?

2. Liars?

3. Wishful thinkers?

4. None of the above?

If the answer is 4, then what are they?
I think 1 or 3 generally covers it. As far as I'm concerned, people can say or do what they like as long as they're not hurting others. I only work up a head of steam over 2 and in particular the liars who peddle their "freeman" lies for money. Those ones are a different kettle of fish altogether.

Also, may I say big respect to certain posters on this thread. A very refreshing change.

One more thing, re the category 3 types, again I say they're welcome to believe what they like. However, they shouldn't be surprised if they receive close questioning from those with more forensic minds who wish to establish whether there truly is a causal link between their mantras and the outcome.

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Old 07-10-2011, 04:00 PM   #32
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I only work up a head of steam over 2 and in particular the liars who peddle their "freeman" lies for money.
Thankfully there doesn't appear to be any of that type on here now
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Old 07-10-2011, 04:29 PM   #33
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Old 07-10-2011, 04:39 PM   #34
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Why would I want to buy a monkey when I can watch them on here for free?

Anyway back to the OP:

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This FOTL section has been going since 2008 and despite claims by the FOTL crew that FOTL works, so far there has not been one verifiable instance of FOTL working in court posted on these boards. Not only in England and Wales, but anywhere.
So I have to ask are those that make the claim that FOTL does work:

1. Mad?

2. Liars?

3. Wishful thinkers?

4. None of the above?

If the answer is 4, then what are they?

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Old 07-10-2011, 04:42 PM   #35
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From what I can tell FOTL get's you locked up in jail for contempt of court.
Also the truth will get you nailed to a cross, therefore maintain your lie.
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1. Mad?

2. Liars?

3. Wishful thinkers?

4. None of the above?

If the answer is 4, then what are they?
I think a mix of all three with 3 being the predominant reason. Though I would add a fourth, which is a lack of critical thinking(and perhaps a good degree of laziness too).
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