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Old 28-01-2017, 09:55 AM   #1
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Is it a dream? is it a physical construct? Is it somewhere in between? Please give your opinion and provide evidence if you can.
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Old 28-01-2017, 12:59 PM   #2
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Is it a dream? is it a physical construct? Is it somewhere in between? Please give your opinion and provide evidence if you can.
It's a real, physical dream.

The mirror scene in Inception

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Old 28-01-2017, 01:46 PM   #3
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Depends what you mean by 'reality'.
Some people believe some weird shit to be 'real'.
IMO the physical world that can be seen, touched, smelled, tasted, weighed and measured - is 'real'.
The stuff that goes on north of anybody's neck might be 'real' to them but not 'real' to somebody else.
Not just whacky ideas but how someone experiences the 'real' physical world.
For example I am not colour blind but need to wear reading glasses to read text.
Someone who is colour blind but enjoys 20-20 vision 'sees' certain aspects of our shared physical world in a different way than do I.
They really do.

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Old 28-01-2017, 01:49 PM   #4
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Depends what you mean by 'reality'.
Some people believe some weird shit to be 'real'.
IMO the physical world that can be seen, touched, smelled, tasted, weighed and measured - is 'real'.
The stuff that goes on north of anybody's neck might be 'real' to them but not 'real' to somebody else.
Not just whacky ideas but how someone experiences the 'real' physical world.
For example I am not colour blind but need to wear reading glasses to read text.
Someone who is colour blind but enjoys 20-20 vision 'sees' certain aspects of our shared physical world in a different way than do I.
This is why they used colour blind spotters from planes during WW2 for spotting the camouflage below that wasn't real trees.

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Old 30-01-2017, 11:47 PM   #5
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It's a real, physical dream.

The mirror scene in Inception

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You stop when the point is being made. But, you started before the point was drawn.
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Old 30-01-2017, 11:54 PM   #6
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Is it a dream? is it a physical construct? Is it somewhere in between? Please give your opinion and provide evidence if you can.
It's not real, it's a joke. There is nothing real about this reality. There might have been a reality once, a long, long time ago, but not any more. It's just a badly drawn out cartoon now.
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I was drunk enough this evening to know reality isnt real.....

A) when you stare into the dark theres a faint film of static.

B) when you stare at anything white theres a faint film of static.

C) rubbing your closed eyes makes neon geometric patterns.

D) i find my life is filled with all to obvious ironic coincidences. Or 'bounceback' as i call it.

E) everything in my real world life seens designed to 'keep me in my place'. Either from bad luck or a cruel irony, or social conditioning. Make in sure i can never grab one iota of true happiness, or success.

F) people cling to a 'bubble mentality', narrowing their perspective to fit their bubbles. It any thing threatens that they act in anger, or fear.
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"ay, there's the rub"

Not being able to recall the circumstances of your death is no proof you live.
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My point is, this is not your reality. Each individual person is the rod or the cone of an eyeball. I say an eyeball because everything is dual. 'I see life from two sides now; it's up or down, but still somehow; it's life's illusions I recall.' You are an illusion in reality.

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I think reality is a solid becoming a dream.
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You stop when the point is being made. But, you started before the point was drawn.
Sorry I didn't understand.
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Particles cohere in patterns to create physical solidity. Can they come apart and reform to create a dreamlike experience? Maybe.
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David Icke hit something important, i heard recently

You meet someone, and say 'hi, nice to meet, who are you?'

What comes back is not in fact what the person really is !!
You will get a label. (one of)

1) Their name (not even chosen by themselves, but by their parents)
2) Their race
3) Their religion (fake construct of the matrix, part of divide & rule)

It is very hard to give evidence, but i do remember when i was about 8 years old
I was sitting in the living room, watching tv with my parents
I just became aware of my awareness (if that makes any sense)
I started to watch my parents, whilst they were watching TV, and i started to wonder where my awareness was coming from, at that moment

That is what we are.. a point of awareness. I had a strong impression that my awareness and my physical body were two things. Awareness occupies the body, but is not of the body

A bit like wearing a spacesuit, or a shell
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Everything that happens in the outer world has happened in the inner world at least 8 seconds before it became manifest. Does that indicate we live in a construct? That sort of says premonitions are real. People have not boarded a plane for some reason and that plane crashed. Does that mean that the reality of them walking on to that plane was not a reality. Well, for whatever reason it did not happen so it was not a reality. Was it a parallel reality that communicated to them and pulled them away to make realities align?
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Everything that happens in the outer world has happened in the inner world at least 8 seconds before it became manifest. Does that indicate we live in a construct? That sort of says premonitions are real. People have not boarded a plane for some reason and that plane crashed. Does that mean that the reality of them walking on to that plane was not a reality. Well, for whatever reason it did not happen so it was not a reality. Was it a parallel reality that communicated to them and pulled them away to make realities align?
I see it as a quantum reality vs a physical reality. Some things are definite on the quantum level before they are definite on the physical level. We can tap into that quantum reality sometimes.
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I see it as a quantum reality vs a physical reality. Some things are definite on the quantum level before they are definite on the physical level. We can tap into that quantum reality sometimes.
Quantum

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the smallest quantity of some physical property, such as energy, that a system can possess according to the quantum theory
a particle with such a unit of energy

2.
amount or quantity, esp a specific amount
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We all know what quantum means. I'm talking literally about quantum physics.
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We all know what quantum means. I'm talking literally about quantum physics.
Quantum physics relates to the physical world.
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Quantum physics relates to the physical world.
yeah, you're right. I was talking shit. Recognise it?
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yeah, you're right. I was talking shit. Recognise it?
Talking shit is your choice. It may affect your quantum reality though.
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