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Old 06-02-2012, 08:21 PM   #41
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:28 PM   #42
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I noticed one of your posts has been modified. Reason given: trolling!

It seems Lightgiver can spam endless MSM propaganda, and nothing happens.

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Old 06-02-2012, 08:29 PM   #43
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Arrow Homs Firefight with Assad Forces

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Syria Battle Footage - Tank Destroyed by Free Syria Army in Homs Firefight with Assad Forces

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Old 06-02-2012, 08:32 PM   #44
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Battle between the Free Syrian Army and the Bashar gangs in Homs

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The Free Syrian Army burned an Al-Assad's military transport vehicle in Jabl Al Zawiyah in Idlib province of Syria . This is the shape of things to come as the Syrian people develop an armed resistance to the 41 year neo-fascist baath party Assad family dictatorship

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Old 06-02-2012, 08:40 PM   #45
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Remember Libya? Remember all the stuff that both the MSM and alternative media claimed? The MSM was divided over their Libya coverage. You had Wolf Blitzer on CNN defending his friend Gaddafi and other MSM outlets saying that the rebels had taken his countdown. In the alternative media you had people praising Gaddafi and saying the rebel success was a lie, and you had others saying that the rebels were backed by (insert country X) with NATO troups on the ground, etc.

Then you had NYT and CNN showing pictures from India and Egypt of people holding up Indian and Egyptian flags and saying they were cheering Libyans.

And if you've paid attention to the Syria thing at all you would realize that the exact same thing is happening. The US talks big but they're been dragging their feet over Libya with even Obummer handling Assad with kid gloves in his ME speech. Al Jazeera, who is a bit more honest than CNN but is a biased propaganda outlet, is chiefly reporting a lot of the bullshit like that mutilated kid story which some say was completely made up.

Golan Heights Druze studying in Syria mentioned that the protesters and Syrian police/militants came out of the wood work as if it was coreographed. Some guy even said that one of the people shot got up and walked as if he wasn't shot. As if blanks were being used.

France has people connected to Syria in France winding up beaten or dead. As if there is a organized criminal underground network here either fighting to remain in control or fighting in opposition.

The death tolls are artificially inflated. Multiple funerals have been reported to be 'shot up' with many dead. This is propaganda. Propaganda makes shit up like this to demonize the perceived bad-guys. The Syrian government is a dictatorship, make no mistake. But the core of the protest and those who started it are the Western intelligence apparatus. This was reported in a Wiki leaks cable.

They have wanted regime change forever. Assad is demonized as some bad Hitler-like dictator and compared to his old man, Saddam, Stalin, etc. He is a softie computer nerd. A puppet with the illusion of being in power.

There is an agenda at play here. It began in the 80s and was written on paper by neocons in the 90s:

http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

"Securing the Northern Border

Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon, including by:

striking Syria’s drug-money and counterfeiting infrastructure in Lebanon, all of which focuses on Razi Qanan.
paralleling Syria’s behavior by establishing the precedent that Syrian territory is not immune to attacks emanating from Lebanon by Israeli proxy forces.
striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper.
Israel also can take this opportunity to remind the world of the nature of the Syrian regime. Syria repeatedly breaks its word. It violated numerous agreements with the Turks, and has betrayed the United States by continuing to occupy Lebanon in violation of the Taef agreement in 1989. Instead, Syria staged a sham election, installed a quisling regime, and forced Lebanon to sign a "Brotherhood Agreement" in 1991, that terminated Lebanese sovereignty. And Syria has begun colonizing Lebanon with hundreds of thousands of Syrians, while killing tens of thousands of its own citizens at a time, as it did in only three days in 1983 in Hama.

Under Syrian tutelage, the Lebanese drug trade, for which local Syrian military officers receive protection payments, flourishes. Syria’s regime supports the terrorist groups operationally and financially in Lebanon and on its soil. Indeed, the Syrian-controlled Bekaa Valley in Lebanon has become for terror what the Silicon Valley has become for computers. The Bekaa Valley has become one of the main distribution sources, if not production points, of the "supernote" — counterfeit US currency so well done that it is impossible to detect.

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Negotiations with repressive regimes like Syria’s require cautious realism. One cannot sensibly assume the other side’s good faith. It is dangerous for Israel to deal naively with a regime murderous of its own people, openly aggressive toward its neighbors, criminally involved with international drug traffickers and counterfeiters, and supportive of the most deadly terrorist organizations.
Given the nature of the regime in Damascus, it is both natural and moral that Israel abandon the slogan "comprehensive peace" and move to contain Syria, drawing attention to its weapons of mass destruction program, and rejecting "land for peace" deals on the Golan Heights.

Moving to a Traditional Balance of Power Strategy

TEXT:

We must distinguish soberly and clearly friend from foe. We must make sure that our friends across the Middle East never doubt the solidity or value of our friendship.
Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq. This has triggered a Jordanian-Syrian rivalry to which Asad has responded by stepping up efforts to destabilize the Hashemite Kingdom, including using infiltrations. Syria recently signaled that it and Iran might prefer a weak, but barely surviving Saddam, if only to undermine and humiliate Jordan in its efforts to remove Saddam.

But Syria enters this conflict with potential weaknesses: Damascus is too preoccupied with dealing with the threatened new regional equation to permit distractions of the Lebanese flank. And Damascus fears that the 'natural axis' with Israel on one side, central Iraq and Turkey on the other, and Jordan, in the center would squeeze and detach Syria from the Saudi Peninsula. For Syria, this could be the prelude to a redrawing of the map of the Middle East which would threaten Syria's territorial integrity.

Since Iraq's future could affect the strategic balance in the Middle East profoundly, it would be understandable that Israel has an interest in supporting the Hashemites in their efforts to redefine Iraq, including such measures as: visiting Jordan as the first official state visit, even before a visit to the United States, of the new Netanyahu government; supporting King Hussein by providing him with some tangible security measures to protect his regime against Syrian subversion; encouraging — through influence in the U.S. business community — investment in Jordan to structurally shift Jordan’s economy away from dependence on Iraq; and diverting Syria’s attention by using Lebanese opposition elements to destabilize Syrian control of Lebanon.

Most important, it is understandable that Israel has an interest supporting diplomatically, militarily and operationally Turkey’s and Jordan’s actions against Syria, such as securing tribal alliances with Arab tribes that cross into Syrian territory and are hostile to the Syrian ruling elite.

King Hussein may have ideas for Israel in bringing its Lebanon problem under control. The predominantly Shia population of southern Lebanon has been tied for centuries to the Shia leadership in Najf, Iraq rather than Iran. Were the Hashemites to control Iraq, they could use their influence over Najf to help Israel wean the south Lebanese Shia away from Hizballah, Iran, and Syria. Shia retain strong ties to the Hashemites: the Shia venerate foremost the Prophet’s family, the direct descendants of which — and in whose veins the blood of the Prophet flows — is King Hussein."


This is neocon propaganda. Iraq, Iran, and Syria. And they will likely target Lebanon again and destabilized Jordan's monarchy. Under the guise of Israel's security but in reality, they desire something else. This is very much East vs. West Cold War shit. Balance of power.

Probably this:



You better believe that if they get close to their goal, they'll stab the cult of Saud in the back and re-partition their land as well. Not that the crypto-Jewish Sauds don't deserve it. Kind of ironic how the Sauds went around destroying Muslim grave sites and holy sites hundreds of years old and came to govern the holiest places in Islam. You know why? Because they aren't Muslims. The British are the ones who partitioned (along with France) the Ottoman territory. The reason Arabia got off easy is because they kept the Sauds in power in return for oil.

British intelligence and the Saudi cult (Iraqi-born Jews) created Wahhabism, a fanatical corruption of Islamic faith, as a means to terrorize and control the territory. The Sauds might be playing along with this re-partitioning the ME via war, revolution, and violence. But in the end, the Western globalizationists will come after them.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:43 PM   #46
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Arrow The authoritarian government





The authoritarian government was not without its critics, though open dissent was repressed. A serious challenge arose in the late 1970s, however, from fundamentalist Sunni Muslims, who reject the basic values of the secular Baath program and object to rule by the Alawis, whom they consider heretical. From 1976 until its suppression in 1982, the arch-conservative Muslim Brotherhood led an armed insurgency against the government. In response to an attempted uprising by the brotherhood in February 1982, the government crushed the fundamentalist opposition centered in the city of Hama, leveling parts of the city with artillery fire and leaving between 10,000 and 25,000 people either dead or wounded, mostly civilians.



In 1142 Raymond established the Knights Hospitaller as a force in the county, donating to them Krak des Chevaliers, an enormous fortress on the road from Homs to the Mediterranean Sea, as well as other smaller castles. The Hospitallers were virtually independent in the county and were often responsible for the protection of Tripoli's borders, which were often raided by Damascus and the forces of Zengi.


During Muammar Gaddafi's rule of Libya, he appointed numerous members of his tribe in leading positions.

In 1995 Gaddafi expelled some 30,000 Palestinians living in Libya, a response to the peace negotiations that had commenced between Israel and the PLO

Gaddafi supported militant organizations that held anti-Western sympathies around the world. The Foreign Minister of Libya called the massacres "heroic acts". Gaddafi fueled a number of Islamist and communist militant groups.



In December 1969, Egyptian intelligence thwarted a planned coup against Gaddafi from high-ranking members of his leadership. Many of the dissenters had grown uneasy with his growing relationship to Egypt. In response to the failed coup, Gaddafi criminalized all political dissent and shared power only with his family and closest associates.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria#B...0.E2.80.932000

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Old 06-02-2012, 08:51 PM   #47
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I wonder what will happen if I start reporting all of Lightgiver's spam...

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Old 06-02-2012, 09:11 PM   #48
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Arrow US shuts embassy in Syria

The best solution to ending the bloodshed in Syria is political and while the United States takes no option off the table, it is focused on pursuing diplomatic and economic measures to achieve that goal, the White House said on Monday after it was announced the U.S. Embassy in Syria was closing.

"We believe the right solution in Syria is a political solution," White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters at a regular news briefing.

Britain's has recalled its ambassador to Syria to discuss the ongoing violence in that country, Foreign Secretary William Hague told lawmakers on Monday.

The move followed the United States' announcement that it was withdrawing all embassy personnel and their family members from Syria, and comes amid escalating international pressure on the Bashar Assad regime, which is in the midst of a worsening crackdown on protesters.


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Old 06-02-2012, 09:30 PM   #49
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Relentless toll of wounded in Syria uprising floods hospitals, secret clinics, across border

TRIPOLI, Lebanon — Abu Hamza was in a crowd of thousands in the Syrian border town of Qusair, shouting for President Bashar Assad to leave power, when a sniper’s bullet tore through his leg and shattered the bone into 18 pieces.

Another bullet pierced his back as he tried to crawl away. A friend rushed into the street to try to drag him away but was also hit in the shoulder. Abu Hamza lay in the street for two hours until it was dark. Finally a man ran out, pulled him to a safer area, then himself fell dead, shot in the head.


Friends smuggled Abu Hamza immediately across the border into Lebanon. Now nearly two months later he is recuperating in a clinic set up by Syrian exiles in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli.

The 25-year-old remains defiant. The green-white-and-red anti-regime flag is pinned to the wall above his bed. “I plan to return to Syria to continue the struggle that will end with the revolution’s victory or my martyrdom,” he said.

His injuries, however, will mean that he will likely have a limp for life, doctors tell him. He and others at the clinic spoke to The Associated Press on condition their full names not be used, fearing retaliation.

Well over 5,000 people have been killed in the Syrian crackdown on protesters demanding Assad’s ouster since the uprising began in March. But thousands more have suffered catastrophic wounds that will become a painful legacy of the country’s extraordinary cries for change.

Their wounds track the changing nature of the conflict. At first, doctors saw mainly gunshot wounds, a reflection of the main type of violence — government forces firing on protesters. But in recent months, more people torn by shrapnel from mortar shells are brought to the hospital.

That’s a sign of how the conflict has become more militarized as frustrated regime opponents and army defectors have armed themselves and fought back against regime forces. The troops have responded with more devastating force, shelling neighborhoods in battles with the gunmen.

Tracking exact numbers of wounded has been impossible. Many — particularly die-hard activists — are afraid to go to hospitals, where authorities can track them down for retaliation. Activists and rights groups have accused Syrian security forces of arresting wounded protesters and even the doctors who treat them.

Instead, they get treated secretly in private clinics, makeshift hospitals or homes in Syria, said Syria-based activist Mustafa Osso, who estimates that more than 15,000 people have been wounded in the uprising.

“When the deaths are in the thousands, then we are talking about thousands wounded,” said Hicham Hassan, a Geneva-based spokesman for the International Committee of the Red Cross.

Several hundred over the months have made their way to the relative safety of Lebanon from Syrian towns close to the long, unmarked and largely unguarded border. The wounded are driven by colleagues to the border, then are carried across on foot to the other side. Syrian activists in Lebanon arrange for a Red Cross ambulance to pick them up to take them to hospitals.


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dont know if its been mentioned but the kid with half his face blown off died earlier before help could get through ,
poor bugger hung on as long as he could .

this is him extremely graphic image btw

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Old 06-02-2012, 09:49 PM   #51
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Lightbulb Syrian paranoia'

Analysts say the Syrian president is ultimately responsible for the violent crackdown which has cost thousands of lives.

In the early years of Bashar al-Assad's presidency, he was seen as a reformer, and was popular with everyday Syrians.

The slow pace of political change was often blamed on an "old guard" of aides, inherited from the era of his father, Hafez al-Assad.

But amid an uprising against his rule which has been met with brutal force and cost thousands of lives, many analysts now dismiss claims that anyone other than Assad are pulling the strings.

"We've been hearing that [others were in charge] for 11 years. But who would that be?" asks Andrew Tabler, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, who previously worked as a journalist in Syria.

"It is impossible to think that he is not fully behind the atrocities taking place in Syria."

- Bassam Imadi, former ambassador

"All of the old guard retired at the Baath party conference in 2005, and after that, Bashar consolidated his rule. Bashar and the Assad family make the decisions."

In a December interview, Assad famously said, the security forces, accused of killings and brutality, "are not my forces".

"I don't own them. I am president. I don't own the country, so they are not my forces," he told US broadcaster ABC.

But the president is the commander-in-chief, and Bassam Imadi, former Syrian ambassador to Sweden and now a member of the opposition, said: "Assad is in full control, because he has the final word.

"It has been evident from people who met the president that he himself is ordering the security forces to end this uprising by all means. It is impossible to think that he is not fully behind the atrocities taking place in Syria."

Syrian paranoia'

Assad's brother Maher, who commands key government forces, has become something of a scapegoat among the public for the violence against protesters. But some observers say Damascus has deliberately let Maher be portrayed as a hardliner in the regime - to protect the image of the president.

Nabel al-Samman, the director of the Centre for Documentation and Research in Damascus, a private institute in the field of economics and politics, says, Assad could put an end to the crackdown if he wanted to.

"He has the decision-making [powers] to stop the military campaign," he said. "This would probably end everything in Syria in terms of violence, because violence breeds violence, and violence started when the military campaign started."

However, David Lesch, a Trinity University professor who wrote a biography on Assad in 2005, said that, while Bashar was "certainly in control and ultimately responsible for all actions by the government", he has "dangerously accorded the mukhabarat [intelligence] too much leeway and autonomy in carrying out their prescriptive actions against dissent against the regime.

"He believed that in a dangerous neighbourhood, it was an unfortunate necessity in order to stay in power and secure domestic stability against perceived pernicious forces who were constantly trying to undermine the regime and the country, a characteristic Syrian paranoia."

Unlike in Tunisia and Egypt, where popular uprisings toppled longtime rulers Zine El Abidine Ben Ali and Hosni Mubarak, the Syrian army has stayed largely loyal to Assad. The number of soldiers defecting to the opposition appears to be increasing, but so far, mostly low-ranking officers and conscripts have turned their weapons against their former comrades.

The loyalty of the security apparatus has been attributed to the fact that the top positions in the army and intelligence agencies have almost exclusively been filled by members of the Alawite minority, a Shia offshoot to which the Assad family belongs.

"To bring stability, the rule was divided. That meant making multiple security forces, multiple military branches - multiplying centres of authority and playing them out against each other."

- Joshua Landis, analyst

Joshua Landis, the director of the Centre for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma, says it is unlikely that a coup would be the resolution to the ongoing unrest "for the simple reason that the Alawite community and the military hierarchy have their backs to the wall".

"There are no good options for them and they're going to face a very bleak future when this revolution is successful," he said.

Landis says the security apparatus has been built on a system of "coup proofing" after many coups and attempted coups were carried out during Syria's first 20 years of independence.

"You don't have one person in control of enough army units to carry out a coup," he said.

"To bring stability, the rule was divided. That meant making multiple security forces, multiple military branches - multiplying centres of authority and playing them out against each other.

"Within the military, you have often a Sunni officer - the chief of staff has always been Sunni - but they're not ultimately holding the keys to power because they have to report to the Baath party commissars who are in every unit and brigade.

"It makes the army very inefficient, and incapable in offences and manoeuvres, but it makes it extremely efficient in protecting the regime."

Source: Al Jazeera


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Small covert groups enter Syria, with relevant uniforms.

Shoot government personnel.

Shoot civilians.

Retreat & repeat.

Show on MSM for 24hrs a day for months.
Of course they smuggle in heavy artillery in the underpants and T-72s in the Bergen .
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I knew it! This damn forum is just another GLP datamining operation.

I'm outta here.
Why ?? Come back .......what you going to do in a real crisis if you cant handle the internet




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I noticed one of your posts has been modified. Reason given: trolling!

It seems Lightgiver can spam endless MSM propaganda, and nothing happens.

He must have friends in high places.
MSM ..HEHEHE I love it.....

If its not on RT its not true you mean.......but RT is Russian msm just like the BBC

Are you denying then that Syrian troops are killing civilians in several towns in Syria ??
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Small covert groups enter Syria, with relevant uniforms.

Shoot government personnel.

Shoot civilians.

Retreat & repeat.

Show on MSM for 24hrs a day for months.
not that covert about 2hours ago they parked up 75 tanks 50 buses and 25 artillery pieces
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Of course they smuggle in heavy artillery in the underpants and T-72s in the Bergen .
Heh, and they hire the humans to drive the tanks and pull those triggers without a second thought.

Teach our children well least they follow the man before them.
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Heh, and they hire the humans to drive the tanks and pull those triggers without a second thought.

Teach our children well least they follow the man before them.
Instead of prattling on hows about you post some info...

Children Trained To Become Suicide Bombers
http://youtu.be/-ZT7Fe1HpoE

In a video from MEMRI (The Middle East Media Research Institute) children from across the Middle East speak about how terrorist training is more important than school. The footage shows beyond any shadow of doubt how the brainwashing of children by terrorists has directly contributed to the violence, hatred and ignorance which prevails throughout the Arab and Muslim world...
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MSM ..HEHEHE I love it.....

If its not on RT its not true you mean.......but RT is Russian msm just like the BBC

Are you denying then that Syrian troops are killing civilians in several towns in Syria ??
It is not the internet making and typing the words in avarar is it, those minds are real I think.

Thing is nobody knows the extent of the terminations being administered, MSM blackout perhaps and taking bets.
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It is not the internet making and typing the words in avarar is it, those minds are real I think.

Thing is nobody knows the extent of the terminations being administered, MSM blackout perhaps and taking bets.
So assad and his puppet masters are just gonna let the MSM go waltzing in

http://youtu.be/3vZaL-bCjRE

Syria Battle Footage - Tank Destroyed by Free Syria Army in Homs Firefight with Assad Forces


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Instead of prattling on hows about you post some info...

Children Trained To Become Suicide Bombers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZT7F...yer_detailpage
http://youtu.be/-ZT7Fe1HpoE

In a video from MEMRI (The Middle East Media Research Institute) children from across the Middle East speak about how terrorist training is more important than school. The footage shows beyond any shadow of doubt how the brainwashing of children by terrorists has directly contributed to the violence, hatred and ignorance which prevails throughout the Arab and Muslim world...
Why you do that just fine and make up where I lack, just the job and trained by an adult most likely, for the innocent mind knows no better eh
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Why you do that just fine and make up where I lack, just the job and trained by an adult most likely, for the innocent mind knows no better eh
It appears you people are blinkered to the reality of world affairs and only choose what you want to see...I am not the one training children in warfare and strapping suicide vests on them...are you people for real or what

Heavy artillery fire has been rocking Homs, as Syrian troops step up an assault on the restive city.

http://youtu.be/QzuSFhVsZ-E

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