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Old 20-07-2009, 06:02 AM   #141
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are you going to follow my post around now like some sick stalker or are you going to get others to do it.

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Old 20-07-2009, 07:32 AM   #142
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People may have different view-points stemming from differing experiences.
Best to stay away from personal attacks on each other's characters ay?

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I think Gangstalking TI`s are there own worst enemy and don`t take in account of various things ....after a while anything that's negative or irritates,harass them is some how deliberate and organized to personal persecute them, that does not mean they don`t experience this or effected by it its just there explanation does not add up.
I do believe they do get harassed and intimidated.


sorry If this replay a bit of a jumble sort of post to another TI ,I am working on linking this together.

I think TI`s need to break the "got gangstalked" ----" why me"----"who doing it" cycle

I think TI`s should stick to understanding how there Minds work and the Technology not get distracted by people/things in there environment they belief & who they perceive are harming them




This is my point new TI`s need the information , the terms to look up ,support
and help unfortunately when they are in trauma,shock and in a Hyper Vigilance
state, were do they go? Gangstalking sites which I believe don`t help to
explain, are misleading hardly mention the technology and basically say yes you
are being fallowed and their are all this groups after you and agents and
snitches, heres what they do huge list of ambiguous behavior with some kind of
covert meaning attached and then says your family loved ones,kids will snitch on
you...good luck.

Are you surprise they all learn to spot all this and end up believing half to
town in on it ?

Yes TI`s need to talk but they don`t have always have to agree and "reinforce" a
belief into a another TI.

We need to relate to other TI`s but not through what we saw our believed preps
do or by saying everything negative in our live is due to Prep action.



first hyper vigilance

what is it

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Hypervigilance is an enhanced state of sensory sensitivity accompanied by an exaggerated intensity of behaviors whose purpose is to detect threats. Hypervigilance is also accompanied by a state of increased anxiety which can cause exhaustion. Other symptoms include: abnormally increased arousal, a high responsiveness to stimuli and a constant scanning of the environment for threats.[1] Hypervigilance is a symptom of posttraumatic stress disorder.[2]

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People suffering from hypervigilance may become preoccupied with studying their environment for possible threats, causing them to lose connections with family and friends. They will often have a difficult time getting to sleep or staying asleep.
Now you said that hypervigilance is caused by harassment and that harassment was by OS but is this not a expanding vicious circle ?

The more sensitivity you are to your environment the more you notice , the more it harasses you? Also don`t other TI`s tell you what to be aware of? what preps they spot? don`t Gangstalking sites train you to spot preps and decode there signals and tactics ?

whats an everyday occurrence when you are feeling hypervigilanent? or some deliberate action to make you hypervigilanent begin?


Can the tech not make you hypervigilanent in the first place by its self?


Also why would they make you hypervigilanent?


It is definitely not useful to be in a hypervigilanent state for any type of mind control as far I am aware.

think about it what does an hypnotist say

"watch my eyes you are getting sleepy"

I Have heard that some believe its to apply NLP ...what are they trying to HyperNLP you? how could they focus the NLP with all the other stimuli you are taken in and processing ?


brainwashing & mind control techniques
http://www.phinnweb.org/neuro/brainwash/
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1) HYPNOSIS - Inducing a high state of suggestibility, often thinly disguised as relaxation or meditation.

a. Repetitive Music (most likely with a beat close to the human heart 45 to 72 beats per minute). Most likely used during "study sessions" as the teacher will say the music helps you relax and concentrate better!

b. Voice Roll -- A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect.

c. Room "Feel" - The way a room feels is essential to hypnotizing unknowing subjects. It needs special lighting, florescent lights are best because they aren't too dim, but aren't too harsh. Also, Room Temp helps a bit, usually a little cooler than normal room temperature. You need to have the unknowing subjects very relaxed, perhaps even close to falling asleep.

2) PEER GROUP PRESSURE - Suppressing doubt and resistance to new ideas by exploiting the need to belong.

3) "LOVE BOMBING" - Creating a sense of family through physical touch, thought & feeling sharing and emotional bonding.

4) REJECTION OF OLD VALUES - Accelerating acceptance of new lifestyle by constantly denouncing former beliefs and values.

5) CONFUSING DOCTRINE - Encouraging blind acceptance and rejection of logic through complex lectures on an incomprehensible doctrine.

6) METACOMMUNICATION - Implanting subliminal messages by stressing certain key words or phrases in long, confusing lectures.

7) REMOVAL OF PRIVACY - Achieving loss of ability to evaluate logically by preventing private contemplation.

8) DISINHIBITION - Encouraging child-like obedience by orchestrating child-like behaviour

9) UNCOMPROMISING RULES - Inducing regression and disorientation by soliciting agreement to seemingly simple rules which regulate mealtimes, bathroom breaks and use of medications.

10) VERBAL ABUSE - Desensitizing through bombardment with foul and abusive language. (Physical abuse, such as torture, is the more extreme form of this.)

11) SLEEP DEPRIVATION AND FATIGUE - Creating disorientation and vulnerability by prolonging mental an physical activity and withholding adequate rest and sleep.

12) DRESS CODES - Removing individuality by demanding conformity to the group dress code.

13) CHANTING OR SINGING - Eliminating non-cult ideas through group repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases.

14) CONFESSION - Encouraging the destruction of individual ego through confession of personal weaknesses and innermost feelings of doubt.

15) FINANCIAL COMMITMENT - Achieving increased dependence on the group by 'burning bridges' to the past, through the donation of assets.

16) FINGER POINTING - Creating a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world.

17) ISOLATION - Inducing loss of reality by physical separation from family, friends, society and rational references.

18) CONTROLLED APPROVAL - Maintaining vulnerability and confusion by alternately rewarding and punishing similar actions.

19) CHANGE OF DIET - Creating disorientation and increased susceptibility to emotional arousal by depriving the nervous system of necessary nutrients through the use of special diets and/or fasting. Also applying drugs for these purposes fall in this category.

20) GAMES - Inducing dependence on the group by introducing games with obscure rules.

21) NO QUESTIONS - Accomplishing automatic acceptance of beliefs by discouraging questions.

22) GUILT - Reinforcing the need for 'salvation' by exaggerating the sins of the former lifestyles.

23) FEAR - Maintaining loyalty and obedience to the group by threatening soul, life or limb for the slightest 'negative' thought, word or deed.
Hypervigilance is an enhanced state of sensory sensitivity accompanied by an exaggerated intensity of behaviors whose purpose is to detect threats.
People suffering from hypervigilance may become preoccupied with studying their environment for possible threats, causing them to lose connections with family and friends. They will often have a difficult time getting to sleep or staying asleep.
Post traumatic stress disorder[1][2] (abbreviated PTSD) is an anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to one or more traumatic events that threatened or caused great physical harm.

We are certainly going through a traumatic event.

Gangstalking sites use the term (DEW) direct energy weapons to describe the technology (neurological weapons, radio-frequency weapons)

what is a DEW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon

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A directed-energy weapon (DEW) is a type of weapon that emits energy in an aimed direction without the means of a projectile. It transfers energy to a target for a desired effect. Some of these weapons are real or in development; others are at present only science fiction.

The energy can come in various forms:

* Electromagnetic radiation (typically lasers or masers).
* Particles with mass (particle beam weapons).
* Sound (sonic weaponry)

In science fiction, these weapons are sometimes known as death rays or rayguns and are usually portrayed as projecting energy at a person or object to kill or destroy.
You could say microwave hearing is a DEW but its not the microwaves & tiny amount of energy that cause the thermal expansion that effects us but the audio it can be produced inside our heads and the psychological direction used against us, so its not the raw energy .

Also if you look at what Dr persinger does and what Dr. Nick Begich says

Dr. Persinger's work, "Growing evidence from laboratory research suggests that the application of weak, complex, low-frequency magnetic fields to the human brain can induce sympathetic shifts neural activity and have consequences for cognition and awareness...The net effect of this interaction can be a magnetically induced altered-state of awareness often resulting in complex hallucinations."

also I think Dr.Nick Begich said that 1/50th of the strength of the earths natural magnetic field could entrain the human mind

So DEW is correct but it can be misleading its not raw energy to ZAP but more complex and at similar strength to what our own brains produce , This also explains why they are difficult to detect.[/quote]


Also They don`t mention victim mentality
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Baker4.html
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What is victim mentality?
A victim mentality is one where you blame everyone else for what happens in your world. (Another definition not as commonly used is one that says a person thinks the future only holds bad things for them.) If you do not get the promotion it is because Mr. Johnson was out to get you. Not because he found you playing on the Internet every day. Your best friend called and said she could not have dinner with you. She is always doing that to you; not showing. You'll show her. You won't invite her when you go out again! Instead of remembering she has just started school and you did call her at the last minute. Victim mentality.

Recently I spoke with someone who no longer lives with a victim mentality. She has gone on with her life and is free from some of the extra baggage that come with being a victim. We discussed forgiving our abusers and how in that process you also need to forgive yourself. With that came loosing the victim mentality.

When she was living under the victim mentality she found herself angrier. She found herself swirling in a sea of resentment towards her abuser. She stayed locked in that cycle and never seemed to move forward. If she got sick, she became angry at him. If the kids messed up, she became angry at him. He was no longer in the picture, but it was all his fault. It was not hers; he made things this way... Life is easier when you can play the blame game. The blame game makes it easy for your life not to move forward or for you to grow.
Also how do other people view and treat TI`s?
prejudice,preconceived ideas , predictive programing we are up against

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A person wearing a tin foil hat.

A tin foil hat is a piece of headgear made from one or more sheets of aluminium foil or similar material. Alternatively it may be a conventional hat lined with foil. Some people wear the hats in the belief that they act to shield the brain from such influences as electromagnetic fields, or against mind control and/or mind reading.

The concept of wearing a tin foil hat for protection from such threats has become a popular stereotype and term of derision; the phrase serves as a byword for paranoia and is associated with conspiracy theorists.

The reasons for their use include the supposed prevention of perceived harassment from governments, spies or paranormal beings. These draw on the stereotypical images of mind control operating by ESP or technological means, like microwave radiation. The effectiveness of tin foil hats is disputable, however the belief in their necessity is popularly associated with paranoia or mental illness.[1]
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* 2 References in popular culture
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The notion that a tin foil hat can significantly reduce the intensity of incident radio frequency radiation on the wearer's brain has some scientific validity, as the effect of strong radio waves has been documented for quite some time. [2] A well constructed tin foil enclosure would approximate a Faraday cage, reducing the amount of (typically harmless) radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation inside. A common high school physics demonstration involves placing an AM radio on tin foil, and then covering the radio with a metal bucket. This leads to a noticeable reduction in signal strength. The efficiency of such an enclosure in blocking such radiation depends on the thickness of the tin foil, as dictated by the skin depth, the distance the radiation can propagate in a particular non-ideal conductor. For half-millimeter-thick tin foil, radiation above about 20 kHz (i.e., including both AM and FM bands) would be partially blocked, although it should be noted that tin foil is not sold in this thickness, and numerous layers of tin foil would be required to sustain this effect.[3]

The effectiveness of the tin foil hat as electromagnetic shielding for stopping radio waves is greatly reduced by the fact that it is not a complete enclosure. Placing an AM radio under a metal bucket without a conductive layer underneath demonstrates the relative ineffectiveness of such a setup. Indeed, because the effect of an ungrounded Faraday cage is to partially reflect the incident radiation, a radio wave that is incident on the inner surface of the hat (i.e., coming from underneath the hat-wearer) would be reflected and partially 'focused' towards the user's brain. While tin foil hats may have originated in some understanding of the Faraday cage effect, the use of such a hat to attenuate radio waves belongs properly to the realm of pseudoscience.

A study by graduate students at MIT determined that a tin foil hat could either amplify or attenuate incoming radiation depending on frequency; the effect was observed to be roughly independent of the relative placement of the wearer and radiation source.[4] At GHz wavelengths, the skin depth is less than the thickness of even the thinnest foil.[citation needed]

Tin foil hats are seen by some as a protective measure against the effects of electromagnetic radiation (EMR). Despite some allegations that EMR exposure has negative health consequences,[5] at this time, no link has been verifiably proven between the radio-frequency EMR that tin foil hats are meant to protect against and subsequent ill health.[6]

[edit] References in popular culture

Tin foil hats were worn in the movie Signs to protect from alien mind-reading tactics, and coincidentally were alluded to in another Mel Gibson movie, Conspiracy Theory.

Tin foil hats are frequently used in popular culture to indicate paranoia, especially as induced by mental illness.[1]

EastEnders character Joe Wicks was briefly portrayed constructing and wearing his own tin foil hat as part of a storyline which saw him suffering from schizophrenia.

In an episode of the Discovery Channel television show Mythbusters dealing with microwave oven myths, Adam Savage constructed a tin foil hat to wear while working in the shop, as Jamie Hyneman had taken apart a microwave in an attempt to design a "microwave gun." That hat was not intended to provide serious protection for Adam, and was a tongue-in-cheek reference to their use. However, Adam was seriously concerned for the safety of the show's cast and crew while working with an uncovered microwave.

In April 2007, MMORPG World of Warcraft announced a new in-game item on its website named the 'Tinfoil Hat'. The hat came complete with tongue-in-cheek statistics such as hiding the player's profile from The Armory (an online character database), and allowing the player to see 'the truth'. The item was later revealed to be an April Fool's Day joke.

FactCheck suggested that those who espouse Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories "should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat."[7]
Dam this is shocking

EastEnders character Joe Wicks was briefly portrayed constructing and wearing his own tin foil hat as part of a storyline which saw him suffering
from schizophrenia.



Also how the "system" is geared to work against us anyway basically to treat us like "mental ill" and disregard our claims as delusions and waste of time and paper work


also a TI is going through a bit of a culture shock, loss of status etc...
remember the movie Trading places
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For the experiment, they choose Louis Winthorpe III (Dan Aykroyd), Harvard educated, snobby, silver spoon manager of the firm’s Philadelphia office, and street hustler Billy Ray Valentine (Eddie Murphy). To destroy Winthorpe’s reputation, Duke operative Clarence Beeks (Paul Gleason), publicly frames him as a thief. Winthorpe is promptly arrested and fired from his job, and he soon learns that his bank accounts have been frozen and he has been locked out of his home (as it is technically property of the Dukes). When his snobby fianc√© Penelope comes to post bail for him, a prostitute named Ophelia (Jamie Lee Curtis) kisses him and asks him to give her drugs, promising to do anything he wants her to do in return. Upset, Penelope calls off the engagement on the spot. Louis soon finds himself ostracized by Penelope and all of his friends and colleagues, who refuse to help him.




Winthorpe, finally hitting rock bottom after people look at him disdainfully on a bus, move seats when he sits down, is urinated on by a dog and it starts to rain, attempts suicide twice, first with a pistol (which jams, but fires when he drops it) and then with an overdose of sleeping pills. He is taken back to his own house and nursed back to health, and Valentine, Ophelia, and Coleman tell him about the Dukes’ full scheme. The enraged Winthorpe initially wants to cripple the Dukes physically by shooting them in the kneecaps with a double-barrel shotgun, but Valentine suggests that breaking them financially would be the best revenge for both of them.
unfortunately we attract (magnets) for anti socially behavior and crime ...not because its organize its society picks on the "weak" and "weird" not that we are but non TI`s perceive we are.
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Old 20-07-2009, 09:20 PM   #144
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now I may be confused here, but what is gangstalking? do you mean people actually following you in the street? or people harassing you online? or what?
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Old 20-07-2009, 10:23 PM   #145
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Gang stalking comes about when organised crime is mixed with sex circles. Make an enemy of one and the rest of the clan is likely to be informed and join in the games. Its harrassment by cowards. Just smile to yourself and leave them to their madness.

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Old 21-07-2009, 08:10 AM   #146
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sometimes you just have to leave the how/why/what alone and realize this is not mentally/psychically healthy for us

understanding ourselves and things like Fear,trauma,shock etc... and how they effect us will hopeful makes us cope and deal with what ever we are going throw.
I think its important to understand how we reacted emotional/psychically etc when we get gangstalked and find ways so we internally counter measure this and limit the Psychological damage/effect on us.



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Psychological trauma is a type of damage to the psyche that occurs as a result of a traumatic event. When that trauma leads to posttraumatic stress disorder, damage may involve physical changes inside the brain and to brain chemistry, which damage the person's ability to adequately cope with stress.

A traumatic event involves a single experience, or an enduring or repeating event or events, that completely overwhelm the individual's ability to cope or integrate the ideas and emotions involved with that experience. The sense of being overwhelmed can be delayed by weeks, years, even decades, as the person struggles to cope with the immediate circumstances. Trauma can be caused by a wide variety of events, but there are a few common aspects. There is frequently a violation of the person's familiar ideas about the world and of their human rights, putting the person in a state of extreme confusion and insecurity. This is also seen when people or institutions depended on for survival violate or betray or disillusion the person in some unforeseen way.[1]

Psychological trauma may accompany physical trauma or exist independently of it. Typical causes of psychological trauma are sexual abuse, violence, the threat of either, or the witnessing of either, particularly in childhood. Catastrophic events such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, war or other mass violence can also cause psychological trauma. Long-term exposure to situations such as extreme poverty or milder forms of abuse, such as verbal abuse, can be traumatic (though verbal abuse can also potentially be traumatic as a single event).

However, different people will react differently to similar events. One person may experience an event as traumatic while another person would not suffer trauma as a result of the same event. In other words, not all people who experience a potentially traumatic event will actually become psychologically traumatized.[citation needed]
Symptoms of trauma

People who go through these types of extremely traumatic experiences often have certain symptoms and problems afterward. How severe these symptoms are depends on the person, the type of trauma involved, and the emotional support they receive from others. Reactions to and symptoms of trauma can be wide and varied, and differ in severity from person to person. A traumatized individual may experience one or several of them.[2]

After a traumatic experience, a person may re-experience the trauma mentally and physically, hence avoiding trauma reminders, also called triggers, as this can be uncomfortable and even painful. They may turn to alcohol and/or psychoactive substances to try to escape the feelings. Re-experiencing symptoms are a sign that the body and mind are actively struggling to cope with the traumatic experience.[2] Triggers and cues act as reminders of the trauma, and can cause anxiety and other associated emotions. Often the person can be completely unaware of what these triggers are. In many cases this may lead a person suffering from traumatic disorders to engage in disruptive or self-destructive coping mechanisms, often without being fully aware of the nature or causes of their own actions. Panic attacks are an example of a psychosomatic response to such emotional triggers.

Consequently, intense feelings of anger may surface frequently, sometimes in very inappropriate or unexpected situations, as danger may always seem to be present. Upsetting memories such as images, thoughts, or flashbacks may haunt the person, and nightmares may be frequent.[3] Insomnia may occur as lurking fears and insecurity keep the person vigilant and on the lookout for danger, both day and night.

Memory of the traumatic experience may become accessible only via the associated emotions: factual memories that place the event in temporal and spatial context may not be accessible. This can lead to the traumatic events being constantly experienced as if they were happening in the present, preventing the subject from gaining perspective on the experience. This can produce a pattern of prolonged periods of acute arousal punctuated by periods of physical and mental exhaustion.[4]

In time, emotional exhaustion may set in, leading to distraction, and clear thinking may be difficult or impossible. Emotional detachment, as well as dissociation or "numbing out", can frequently occur. Dissociating from the painful emotion includes numbing all emotion, and the person may seem emotionally flat, preoccupied, distant, or cold. The person can become confused in ordinary situations and have memory problems.

Some traumatized people may feel permanently damaged when trauma symptoms don't go away and they don't believe their situation will improve. This can lead to feelings of despair, loss of self-esteem, and frequently depression. If important aspects of the person's self and world understanding have been violated, the person may call their own identity into question.[2]
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are you going to follow my post around now like some sick stalker or are you going to get others to do it.
This is a post i wanted to put on the mcvictims forum and why i got banned.



> The forum you have posted on recently is a public forum all emails
to this forum can be viewed by the general public at any time. Any
information posted on this forum may be used against you for any
purpose which may include malicious intention's or otherwise. We are
not trying to get you to stop posting here but our intention is to
make you aware of the possibilities that any third party or member of
this forum may choose to act upon. we have asked a forum leader to put
a warning on the forum each time a user logs on explaining the
possibility and pit falls of a open forum. Remember if you don't want
your worst enemy to know something why post it on a open forum. We do
realise the necessity of getting your information to the public but we
would suggest perhaps writing as if it was coming from a third party
so that nothing can be pinned on you under the mental health act. The
above points are just there for guidance and in no way intended to
represent
> the actions of your forum but we feel there must be some sort of
guidelines here as a accumulation of so called posts could encourage a
malicious person to engage in an act that may not be beneficial to you
leaving yourself in a position where you cant complain due to fact
your posts may be exposed which may be seen as mental health problems.
> All we ask is be careful and remember anyone can read your post on
an open forum.


we should all recognize the dangers of posting intimate details of gang stalking especially as its well known about police and other government organizations monitoring the forums.

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This is a post i wanted to put on the mcvictims forum and why i got banned.



> The forum you have posted on recently is a public forum all emails
to this forum can be viewed by the general public at any time. Any
information posted on this forum may be used against you for any
purpose which may include malicious intention's or otherwise. We are
not trying to get you to stop posting here but our intention is to
make you aware of the possibilities that any third party or member of
this forum may choose to act upon. we have asked a forum leader to put
a warning on the forum each time a user logs on explaining the
possibility and pit falls of a open forum. Remember if you don't want
your worst enemy to know something why post it on a open forum. We do
realise the necessity of getting your information to the public but we
would suggest perhaps writing as if it was coming from a third party
so that nothing can be pinned on you under the mental health act. The
above points are just there for guidance and in no way intended to
represent
> the actions of your forum but we feel there must be some sort of
guidelines here as a accumulation of so called posts could encourage a
malicious person to engage in an act that may not be beneficial to you
leaving yourself in a position where you cant complain due to fact
your posts may be exposed which may be seen as mental health problems.
> All we ask is be careful and remember anyone can read your post on
an open forum.


we should all recognize the dangers of posting intimate details of gang stalking especially as its well known about police and other government organizations monitoring the forums.
wtf? is that not true on all forums?

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/gro...mbers/privacy/

are you banned because a few post back you said you wasn`t ?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=113
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tracy got band dont think i ever have been.
You have chip on your shoulder about it, I don`t care it was months ago I have nothing to do with MCvictimsEU apart from being a member of the yahoo group and posting there????

Same on all the other mind control & electronic harassment sites I post on

You are acting paranoid , contradicting yourself and given TI`s a bad name

Don`t bother me about I have no say who gets banned , or on any site , nearly got banned myself getting suckered in and arguing with a trollish member a few weeks ago myself

have you got anything other stuff you what talk about apart from online privacy ?

I do share your concerns and anyone monitoring them could get a false impression or use it to back up some form of "internet delusion" or use it to try and ban and censor our site`s saying we promote "self harm" or discourage members not to fallow doctors medical advice etc..

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/he....17789939.html
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Sharing their demons on the Web
By Sarah Kershaw
Published: Thursday, November 13, 2008



FOR years they lived in solitary terror of the light beams that caused searing headaches, the technology that took control of their minds and bodies. They feared the stalkers, people whose voices shouted from the walls or screamed in their heads, "We found you" and "We want you dead."

When people who believe such things reported them to the police, doctors or family, they said they were often told they were crazy. Sometimes they were medicated or locked in hospital wards, or fired from jobs and isolated from the outside world.

But when they found one another on the Internet, everything changed. So many others were having the same experiences.

Type "mind control" or "gang stalking" into Google, and Web sites appear that describe cases of persecution, both psychological and physical, related with the same minute details — red and white cars following victims, vandalism of their homes, snickering by those around them.

Identified by some psychologists and psychiatrists as part of an "extreme community" on the Internet that appears to encourage delusional thinking, a growing number of such Web sites are filled with stories from people who say they are victims of mind control and stalking by gangs of government agents. The sites are drawing the concern of mental health professionals and the interest of researchers in psychology and psychiatry.
I like the way the say light beams? I never heard a TI say it done by "light beams" but by the evidence and from classified documents we know its done by microwaves

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/nytim...t13nov08.shtml
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NY Times Article Addresses Psychotronic Torture & Harassment

[Editor's Note: You will note that this article, while attempting to uncover the facts, does more to obfuscate and sow the seeds of disbelief and ridicule, then reveal the horrendous truth of this inhumane and vicious form of torture. As always, reference for authoritative opinion is given to the 'doctor' from Yale or Columbia in a rather condescending tone, while the 'janitor' from Cincinnati tells the victims' side of the story. It's typical of the New York Times, the "newspaper of record", giving us "All the News That's Fit to Print". Notice how many times the word "delusional" is repeated within this article and how the victim's reference to being a targeted victim is placed in quotes. . ..Ken Adachi]

By Sarah Kershaw
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/nytim...t13nov08.shtml
November 13, 2008
Anyway they have mind reading technology so they know what we do anyway!
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Old 22-07-2009, 04:26 PM   #149
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wtf? Is that not true on all forums?

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/gro...mbers/privacy/

are you banned because a few post back you said you wasn`t ?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=113


you have chip on your shoulder about it, i don`t care it was months ago i have nothing to do with mcvictimseu apart from being a member of the yahoo group and posting there????

Same on all the other mind control & electronic harassment sites i post on

you are acting paranoid , contradicting yourself and given ti`s a bad name

don`t bother me about i have no say who gets banned , or on any site , nearly got banned myself getting suckered in and arguing with a trollish member a few weeks ago myself

have you got anything other stuff you what talk about apart from online privacy ?

I do share your concerns and anyone monitoring them could get a false impression or use it to back up some form of "internet delusion" or use it to try and ban and censor our site`s saying we promote "self harm" or discourage members not to fallow doctors medical advice etc..

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/he....17789939.html


i like the way the say light beams? I never heard a ti say it done by "light beams" but by the evidence and from classified documents we know its done by microwaves

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/nytim...t13nov08.shtml


anyway they have mind reading technology so they know what we do anyway!
the post was not directed at you why are you so paranoid?

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i never actually got band but my posts were stopped by the mods from reaching the forum. some of them were also altered by the mods. Im talking mcvictims by the way

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Old 22-07-2009, 11:03 PM   #151
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i never actually got band but my posts were stopped by the mods from reaching the forum. some of them were also altered by the mods. Im talking mcvictims by the way
As far as I know only Monica who started the Yahoo group and it is just a yahoo group I not sure what kind of mod or admin powers you have over a group when you start one up ,I have never run a yahoo group
If you realized how much work Monica does to help TI`s you would not making these types of accusations , In fact Monica probably gets emails to ban certian individuals who act like trolls, but Monica`s attitude is quite relaxed and she understands what TI`s go through and only as a last resort she bans people from the forum.
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Old 22-07-2009, 11:09 PM   #152
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/8173 this a post which was created on Jul 21, 2009 7:07 pm and posted by deca. the previous night i was reading about project paper clip on the internet. yet more of deca's coincidences.

heres my proof of firefox history the night before.

WTF are you on about? I posted that about operation paper clip which I have mention numerous times over the last couple of years heard about it through watching a video done by Mark Philips and any way I sort put that post altogether on the 19 jul in a thread here about crop circles
and that was 19-07-2009, 03:22 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...postcount=1678

so what you say about reading it on the 20th and then me posting it on the 21st is just rubbish

but the preps with tech subvert our thinking and turn TI against TI so we fall out a look like a pair of idiots to non TI`s ok, Have you not work that out yet
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Old 22-07-2009, 11:17 PM   #153
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the post was not directed at you why are you so paranoid?
I not paranoid just piss off at you accusing me every other post,and trying make out I some online prep or what every you believe.

Have you anything positive to add to the " Gang Stalking - proof is whats needed" the thread you started apart from accusing me and members of MCvictimsEU ? who do a lot of work and is a meeting place for TI`s to try and support each other not accuse and spread paranoia?

which groups do you recommend then?

There plenty of TI`s on this forum that need help and advice and I have not seen you post much?

There is a victim on here that feels and beliefs she is getting done it by a religious group and you post a picture like that how irresponsibility and no understanding you have of mind control & electronic harassment and gangstalking
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Old 23-07-2009, 06:59 AM   #154
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I not paranoid just piss off at you accusing me every other post,and trying make out I some online prep or what every you believe.

Have you anything positive to add to the " Gang Stalking - proof is whats needed" the thread you started apart from accusing me and members of MCvictimsEU ? who do a lot of work and is a meeting place for TI`s to try and support each other not accuse and spread paranoia?

which groups do you recommend then?

There plenty of TI`s on this forum that need help and advice and I have not seen you post much?

There is a victim on here that feels and beliefs she is getting done it by a religious group and you post a picture like that how irresponsibility and no understanding you have of mind control & electronic harassment and gangstalking
think ive proved enough dont you.

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-- In [email protected] yahoogroups. com, "Deca" wrote:
>
> Normal Troll tactic
> Cause a troulbe ,wait for the reaction, plead your innocent
>
> Sad, get a life.
>
> Hmmm again another Troll tactic Ask questions but never answere any
> yourself.


think its best to ignore people like you. you are obliviously against my rights as a individual to ask questions. why Decca?
if my question is answered i will go away.
Tracie
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In [email protected] yahoogroups. com, Tracie Walker
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everybody
> > I have done nothing wrong but i find myself being threatened for
> trying to stand up for myself and what i believe in. I have asked a
> member of these boards a question, one which i feel is very
important
> part in trusting this very person but unfortunately they will not
> reply. In my opinion these board maybe a waste of time if you wish
to
> progress further in your quest to find the truth. I do not wish to
> get banned from this forum but nether the less feel this may
happen
> because i dare to question those who take it upon themselves to
help
> us. i find it
> > hypercritical someone should ask you to do something they will
not
> do themselves even if they are trying to help you. If you have
> nothing to hide come forward and explain to us your reason.
> >
> > If we cannot question those who lead us it is another nail in our
> coffin another step to losing our rights as individuals the very
> thing we are fighting for here on this forum, Linda speak out! Tell
> us why you will not tell us your gory details to put on to the
forum
> yet expect others to the that very thing.

think its best to ignore people like you. you are obliviously against my rights as a individual to ask questions. why Decca?
if my question is answered i will go away.
Tracie
>
> >
> > Tracie
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail. yahoo.com
> >
users on the mc forum give out flase information such as they are making progress or they have evidence etc ..DECA show me one successful prosecution

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-- In [email protected] yahoogroups. com, "Deca" wrote:
>
> Normal Troll tactic
> Cause a troulbe ,wait for the reaction, plead your innocent
>
> Sad, get a life.
>
> Hmmm again another Troll tactic Ask questions but never answere any
> yourself.


think its best to ignore people like you. you are obliviously against my rights as a individual to ask questions. why Decca?
if my question is answered i will go away.
Tracie
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In [email protected] yahoogroups. com, Tracie Walker
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everybody
> > I have done nothing wrong but i find myself being threatened for
> trying to stand up for myself and what i believe in. I have asked a
> member of these boards a question, one which i feel is very
important
> part in trusting this very person but unfortunately they will not
> reply. In my opinion these board maybe a waste of time if you wish
to
> progress further in your quest to find the truth. I do not wish to
> get banned from this forum but nether the less feel this may
happen
> because i dare to question those who take it upon themselves to
help
> us. i find it
> > hypercritical someone should ask you to do something they will
not
> do themselves even if they are trying to help you. If you have
> nothing to hide come forward and explain to us your reason.
> >
> > If we cannot question those who lead us it is another nail in our
> coffin another step to losing our rights as individuals the very
> thing we are fighting for here on this forum, Linda speak out! Tell
> us why you will not tell us your gory details to put on to the
forum
> yet expect others to the that very thing.

think its best to ignore people like you. you are obliviously against my rights as a individual to ask questions. why Decca?
if my question is answered i will go away.
Tracie
>
> >
> > Tracie
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail. yahoo.com
> >
users on the mc forum give out false information such as they are making progress or they have evidence etc ..DECA show me one successful prosecution
This section is from Amanda Palmer.

Please do not be rude Terry, Linda heard you the first time, we have discussed your apparent lack of assertiveness. We could redefine this as other things depending on ones "interpretation". Linda has answered your questions. Infact we both have. I suggest that YOU contact Rowena Thursby yourself. I mean this with kindness, you have to have the answer yourself, from the woman herself. Not going through Linda or me.

We have told you. What is the saying? "You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force it to drink" In your case you cannot lead yourself to the water. Now listen, we have tried, we CANNOT hold your hand any longer.

Subject: Fw: [MCVictimsEU] case summery



In this post above Amanda says be more assertive in your attitude and contact rowena yourself
yet the whole point of the group should be to act as a group not as individuals so taking away the dangers of individual exposure. If each case is going to examined as a individual case then each person that posts without proof is open to corruption or manipulation of hes statements. This is why certain people were encouraged to give detailed case summary's whilst others just gave basic information in order to protect themselves from the mental health act which could be applied if a person gave reason to do so.



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Terry Vasa
To: [email protected] yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:26:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MCVictimsEU] case summery

i will post this message every day just in case you forget to reply i know what our T I 's memory can be like
Terry

----- Original Message ----
From: Terry Vasa
To: [email protected] yahoogroups. com; linda drew
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:57:32 AM
Subject: [MCVictimsEU] case summery

Hi Linda
some questions for you hope you don't mind.
Can i ask what happened to our case summary's once once you received them. ?
How Rowena will investigate our cause from the case summery we sent?
How will she proceed with any investigation without any futher help from us.?
Have you recieved any feedback from her.?
Can you post your case summery so i can read it please.

again here some basic questions are asked which should have been discussed by linda with any third party investigating individual cases before giving out personnel details

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Old 23-07-2009, 12:21 PM   #157
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I did exchange quite a few Emial with Rowena and found it very helpful , she was very understanding and trying to get head around this and at the Time wanted to here many TI`s story`s so she could present what she found to a few peolple she knows and works with i.e MP`s and try and get some kind of investigation of the ground , exactly what the MCvictimesEU is all about

i.e from the home page what does the description of the group say
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This Group is set up for Victims of Electronic Mind Control, Remote harassment, Terrorism and Torture with Directed Energy Weapons, to share and discuss solutions to this growing worldwide problem, to find out how to get Authorities to investigate our claims and also to support the new victims showing up in Europe.

You may post in ANY LANGUAGE on this Group!!
Related website: www.mindcontrol-victims.eu
Ok part of that means trying to get people in Authorities to investigate, we can only do that by submitting our testimonies and convincing that there is indeed a major problem to investigate , Linda throw contacting Rowena basically got Rowena to look at us with a open mind , we were all interested normally get ignored apart from a few people like Rowena and Jim guest ect...but we are getting acknowledged thou......
Sorry that you don`t approved off this kind of action but begs the question why you joined the group in the first place and why you are still going on about it months later???

Also Linda is a well known TI in the community that goes out a way to help TI`s and offers to put up TI`s for a short time ect. Ask John Allman about Linda ok
Also alot of us spent a weekend at Linda a week or two before hand so your trollish repetitive demands on her did not go down on such a kind person
ok
I video this at Linda`s house and been throw many times to visit her and meet other TI`s that what This group is about

Also I think you will find other well know TI`s will know Linda and nothing bad to say about her ok

again you are showing signs of victim mentality and not being able to understand how the way you react will effect how others will react towards you.
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users on the mc forum give out false information such as they are making progress or they have evidence etc ..DECA show me one successful prosecution
There is a few court cases going on and a TI did get a protection order ok but that was in the US its a different story in Europe we have to get this to be consider that it is actually going on and not just so form of mental illness or internet delusion , That why groups like MCvictimsEU get step up so like minded/similar people as a group can share and work together .
Is it the members MCvictimsEU fault that theres no successful prosecution going on ? or the lack of understanding and the system we are up against? I think you will find its lack of understanding and the system we are up against something that MCvictimsEU are trying to do and me myself personally trying to do on this Forum ???

what have you done? before you criticize other victims?

what question do you want me to answer????

don`t keep asking why Linda did not post here details after you harassed her consistently and tried to whip it into some major issue, playing into TI`s fears and paranoia a basically sabotage the work that was going on with Rowena , another thing we try and over come to get TI`s to write there testimonies out and complain in a group action to people that can make a difference.
The way you was behaving made me believe you were a Troll
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My first thoughts on this forum having read several of the archived
posts are as follows.
> It is heavily infected with perpetrators there are several ways in
which i have come to this conclusion.
> 1 . Perps operate in a way in which they will protect each other so
that if one is challenged by a TI on a post all other perps come to
there rescue.
> 2. Also i have been warned about since joining this forum about
people who post private emails that were meant to be private use, yet
they have been posted here on this forum by malicious individuals
masquerading as TI's.
> 3. Too many posts on an array of subjects with no desire to focus on
the the real problem which is of course Multi stalking.
>
> Tracie
Er what is the group called ?
MCVictimsEU · Mind Control Victims Europe

If it was a group about "gangstalking" don`t you think it would be called GvictimsEU gangstalking victims Europe???

also it makes it self very clear what the group is about
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This Group is set up for Victims of Electronic Mind Control, Remote harassment, Terrorism and Torture with Directed Energy Weapons, to share and discuss solutions to this growing worldwide problem, to find out how to get Authorities to investigate our claims and also to support the new victims showing up in Europe.
Were does it mention Multi stalking ?



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As for us being "cosy" you mean we try and get on and understand and
help support one another and forgive each other when they are getting
manipluated and make comments out of frustration and parnoia but also
have the abilty to express ourselfs and debate them then yes we are!

What kind of group are you used too?

Do they just re enforce there beliefs and fall out when you don`t
acept them then accuse people of being "preps" ?



--- In [email protected], "Deca" wrote:
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> Hmm linda has done a lot for the TI community, and gathered a lot of
> evidence ,hmmm what have you done Tracie apart accuse all us victims
> who are known and do a lot to expose and help other victims?
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