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Old 22-03-2010, 10:06 PM   #41
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Old 19-04-2010, 09:45 PM   #42
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Old 19-04-2010, 09:56 PM   #43
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My lady rachel is a troll............................................. .......
But your mind has already been darkened and can't possibly comprehend any kind of real spiritual truth, so I doubt seriously if your understanding will follow a darkened mind. They call it spiritual blindness for a reason.

Hate and bitterness has no problem lying dorment in wait to rare it's ugly head. It's quite used to it and as been doing it for decades...

Israel is not perfect. Even the most committed friends of Israel acknowledge that the government sometimes makes mistakes, and that it has not solved all the problems in its society. Supporters of Israel may not emphasize these faults, however, because there is no shortage of groups and individuals who are willing to do nothing but focus on Israel’s imperfections. The public usually has much less access to Israel’s side of the story of its conflict with the Arabs, or the positive aspects of its society.

Israelis themselves are their own harshest critics. If you want to read criticism of Israeli behavior, you do not need to seek out anti-Israel sources, you can pick up any Israeli newspaper and find no shortage of news and commentary critical of government policy. The rest of the world’s media provides constant attention to Israel and the coverage is far more likely to be unfavorable than complimentary.

Israel’s supporters believe Israel has a right to exist and that close relations between Israel and other nations in the world is in everyone’s best interest. When friends criticize Israel, it is because they want the country to be better. Israel’s detractors do not have that goal; they are more interested in delegitimizing the country, placing a wedge between Israel and its allies, and working toward its destruction.

Friends of Israel do not try to whitewash the truth, but we do try to put events in proper context. That is also our goal.

Israel will prevail!!!

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Old 19-04-2010, 10:12 PM   #44
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It is interesting that Hamas, with all its 'wings' had arranged to send missiles and mortar rounds into southern Israel towns for months frightening women and children into 'safe room' bunkers and the world was deaf and dumb.

Not a peep was heard in the halls of 'friendly' democratic and king ruled countries until the government of Israel said "enough" and exercised its right to defend its citizens to put an end to the Hamas' hostile activity which began following Israel's forced withdrawal of all of its citizens from Gaza.

The empty cries of "proportionality" aimed at inciting the world against Israel fail to impress folks who lived, and still do, under incoming random missiles, particularly when their government removed all of its people from their homes and hot-houses which the folks who elected Hamas as their government, instead of taking advantage of that which was left by Israel, promptly destroyed it all.

Now we hear the cries of 'victim' from these poor Palestinians who danced in the streets when the World Trade Center towers came down in New York City, victims of Islamic terrorists. Cries which are echoed by their brother Islamic supporters in this world today.

Where is the proportionality? Where is the 'fairness' and 'objectivity" doctrine in the liberal media today? This is the ultimate example of how the minds of "right thinking" folks go askew when the subject involves Jewish folks. Oh yes, stop the fighting, open all the Gaza crossings into Israel and Egypt. Lets leave Hamas intact so they can re-arm, rebuild their tunnels and renew their avowed aim to eliminate Israel.

Now, if the Arabs in Gaza want to get on with their lives and take care of their children, let them sue for peace and negotiate permanent borders with Israel, having LOST THE WARS THEY STARTED. If they are unable or unwilling to accept the facts they ARE UNABLE TO DEFEAT ISRAEL - they are responsible for their own situation, and will continue to lose land and any opportunity for peace and growth.
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Old 19-04-2010, 10:21 PM   #45
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Why is anyone with a different opinion a troll? It appears she made well reasoned arguments, and was not an ass about it. This is a very polarizing topic; the loss of life is tragic on both sides. It is the name calling that leads to hatred, distrust and abuse. I know I am opening myself up for a wicked flaming, but I can't sit idoly by and see someone do the very thing Rachel Corrie would not have.

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These numb-skulls will make up any excuses to keep the competition from posting ...

There are now millions of domains on the Internet that "white supremacist neo-nutzos invented" and an awful "lot of lies" and every other sin that one can conjure. Mmmm, IMHO Cyberspace in the newest episode of "Star Wars" but without its original director Steven Spielberg. Yes, there is a war going on out there and it's the "Conspiracy Theorists" (the Haters and Hate-Groups aka "Bad Folk") versus the "Cooperation Realists" (the Lovers and Love-Groups aka "Good Folk"). Disinformation (mostly lies mixed with a little truth for credibility) is the "Force" of the "Bad Folk"; and "Information" (mostly Truth mixed with Hope and Speculation) is the "Force" of the "Good Folk". Only time will tell which side of the "Force" will win in the "Battle of Good and Bad". If the Prophet and Seer Daniel was correct (Chapter 2, verses 44-45), and I am not suggesting that he wasn't, the "Good Folk" shall prevail and conquer when at last G-d intervenes directly on our behalf.
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Old 19-04-2010, 10:25 PM   #46
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Israel has always been a terrorist state. They are the number one enemy of the world at the moment and are the biggest hypocrites ever imagined. They promote genocide to their people, and enforce it. Most Israelis are the most racist people on the planet.

I recently checked with Google; Palestinians are not an endangered species.

As for food & medicine, food & medicine are indeed being brought in by relief agencies, and through Israel. What HAMAS wants to do is bring in weapons and smuggle out HAMAS leaders.

At this point, if the Arabs or the leftists were to say the sky is blue, I'd go out and check first.

The only war crimes / violations of the Geneva Conventions are being committed by Hamas. Storing explosives and other military equipment in schools and mosques; firing from schools, mosques, and any area occupied by civilians, without removing the civilians as Hamas and only Hamas is obligated to do; concealing armed terrorists in hospitals.

All of these are violations of the Geneva Conventions. Any organization or persons doing this are no longer civilians or soldiers (since they are not wearing any distinguishing marks), and are not entitled to ANY protection under the Geneva Conventions.

These scum are subject to being killed on sight. And the Israelis do not have to exercise any more care than that which allows the achievement of the military objective: dead Hamas terrorists.
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Old 19-04-2010, 10:31 PM   #47
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Because she is. She's a member of some pro-Israel website which gets little pop ups each time an anti-israel topic comes along. She then trots along, bigs up the appartheid state, and buggers off again.

Mercy!

I didn't realise this was some sort of competition - about who can create the most scintillating cyberstop. I thought the concept of a forum was to allow people who choose to join it an opportunity to share ideas. I am bemused by people who swoop in with auto-snide comments as their sole contribution.

Personally, this message board gives me a few reflective moments in a full and active life. If it lacks the levels of sophistication you clearly demand you could attempt to inject that yourself ...
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Old 19-04-2010, 10:53 PM   #48
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All you have to do is look in the Koran and see the hatred of Jews (1400 years of it) The Israeli situation is just one modern expression of this.

Most here are so ignorant of any history to do with Jews and Muslims. Research what dhimmies are and dhimmitude (none Muslims in Muslim countries under Sharia/Islamic laws.

Oh and also

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104104
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Old 19-04-2010, 11:11 PM   #49
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When you look a bit deeper into both religions and the history - then it's not easy to take sides, they are about as bad as eachother as in both attacking and killing in the holy lands.

It's not my fight I am an English man.
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Old 19-04-2010, 11:12 PM   #50
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All you have to do is look in the Koran and see the hatred of Jews (1400 years of it) The Israeli situation is just one modern expression of this.

Most here are so ignorant of any history to do with Jews and Muslims. Research what dhimmies are and dhimmitude (none Muslims in Muslim countries under Sharia/Islamic laws.

Oh and also

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104104
Rabbis wrote the Qua'ran. The vengeful things in there look just like the OT & Talmud. No surprise, since it has the same source. for the rest, for the chosen =
All starts with that YHWH deception, the demiurge named El-ohim, Shaddai. The El becomes Al in Islam.

So, not really rocket science, this stuff.
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Old 19-04-2010, 11:23 PM   #51
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Rabbis wrote the Qua'ran. The vengeful things in there look just like the OT & Talmud. No surprise, since it has the same source. Noachide for the rest, 613 laws for the chosen = Shari'a
The Muhammad was an illiterate retard story. He needed a Jew to transcribe the Koran. Not sure but think some Muslims disgaree, some believe he wasn't illiterate.



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All starts with that YHWH deception, the demiurge named El-ohim, Shaddai. The El becomes Al in Islam.

So, not really rocket science, this stuff.
Mosaic law = hundreds of Judaic OT laws. Christian NT = 10 commandments.
According to Islam - Wasn't the aim of the Koran and Islam to go back to these so called purer versions of religious OT Bible/Mosaic laws? but with some extra bits and bobs (think Sharia)

(Because Islam claims - Jews and Christians particularly the latter done away with most of the laws and are no longer following the words of God, so "Gabriel" gave "Mohammed" a lecture on bringing back some of the laws plus some new bits and bobs, "compare" the "Koran and Talmud"

This is why some Muslim's will do anything to convert the people of "the book - Bible" to Islam (to bring them back to the words of God) If they won't convert then they have to pay the poll tax and live as second class citizens (Dhimmi) under Shariah law in an Islamic state.

If they refuse to convert to Islam, then they are sometimes killed, victimised, attacked given this choice some will eventually convert to Islam so they won't be victimised no more, or migrate (escape) to other lands.
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Old 20-04-2010, 12:57 AM   #52
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The same way I rationize this ...

Muslim Pretending to be an Orthodox Jew on Arab TV
And this Israeli soldier:

http://www.youtube.com/v/BP8uZrytG48

I suppose you believe he is a Muslim disguised as a Jew as well?

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Old 20-04-2010, 06:40 PM   #53
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All you have to do is look in the Koran and see the hatred of Jews (1400 years of it) The Israeli situation is just one modern expression of this.

Most here are so ignorant of any history to do with Jews and Muslims. Research what dhimmies are and dhimmitude (none Muslims in Muslim countries under Sharia/Islamic laws.

Oh and also

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104104

You see, kids, you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking not "why are the Jews hated?", but "by whom are the Jews hated?"

Once you realize the nature and origin of anti-semitism, the 'why' question answers itself.

Problem for Joooo haters is that Joooos pretty much have the same worries and goals collectively as the rest of Western civilization. This is what makes the Joooo hater irrational. The Joooo hater invents a Jooooish boogeyman, one that does not exist.

People have always been afraid of others that are different.

Jews are a motivated people and have a huge history of being hated. They have been the odd ones out in almost every empire. What can I say? People are pretty stupid in general.

Outsiders are often persecuted in hard times. Humans love to have someone to blame for misfortunes - as the Jews were blamed for the Black plague in 1347-48 (even though their death rate was just as high). They were successful which led to jealousy. And most importantly, people, including princes and kings owed them money. The best way to get out of debt was often to expel the people who aristocrats owed money to.

The way I see it, Jews are hated. Why? Maybe because it is their parent religion ...hating and blaming the Jews put a semblance of legitimacy on why they broke away. The same way why the Protestant (of earlier times) hated Catholics and later on, why the Protestants hated the breakaway Anabaptists and the Mennonites hating the Anabaptist, the Amish hated the Mennonites. The lists goes on and on. Have you ever noticed that the newly formed Christians denominations bad-mouthing the other elder denominations? That's also the reason why most post in these websites concentrates on the differences (which are few) of different religion and denominations and became blind to similarities (which are many) of the doctrines ...Yet they all preach to "Love Thy Neighbor."
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And this Israeli soldier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP8uZrytG48
http://www.youtube.com/v/BP8uZrytG48

I suppose you believe he is a Muslim disguised as a Jew as well?



There no markings on his uniform showing he's Israeli or otherwise ...

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Old 07-05-2010, 08:10 AM   #55
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General 'tried to cover up truth about death of Rachel Corrie'

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http://www.jnoubiyeh.com/2010/05/gen...uth-about.html

Israeli war hero accused of suppressing testimony that could reveal what really happened to Gaza activist



Seven years after the American activist Rachel Corrie was killed by an Israeli army bulldozer in Gaza, evidence has emerged which appears to implicate Israel's Gaza commander at the time, in an attempt to obstruct the official investigation into her death.

The alleged intervention of Major-General Doron Almog, then head of Israel's southern command, is documented in testimony taken by Israeli military police a day after Ms Corrie was killed on March 16, 2003. The hand written affidavit, seen by The Independent, was submitted as evidence during a civil law suit being pursued by the Corrie family against the state of Israel.

Ms Corrie, who was 23 when she died, was critically wounded when a bulldozer buried her with sandy soil near the border between Gaza and Egypt. The American, wearing a fluorescent orange jacket and carrying a megaphone, was among a group of volunteers from the anti-occupation International Solidarity Movement who over a period of three hours on that day had sought to block the demolition by Israel of Palestinian homes.

The Israeli military has maintained that its troops were not to blame for the killing of Ms Corrie and that the driver of the bulldozer had not seen her. It accused Ms Corrie and the ISM of behaviour that was "illegal, irresponsible and dangerous". Three days after Ms Corrie's death, the US state department announced that the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had promised the US President George Bush that the Israeli government would undertake a "thorough, credible and transparent investigation".

But according to a military police investigator's report which has now emerged, the "commander" of the D-9 bulldozer was giving testimony when an army colonel dispatched by Major-General Almog interrupted proceedings and cut short his evidence. The military police investigator wrote: "At 18:12 reserve Colonel Baruch Kirhatu entered the room and informed the witness that he should not convey anything and should not write anything and this at the order of the general of southern command."

The commander was a reservist named Edward Valermov. He was in the bulldozer with its driver. In his testimony before he was ordered to stop, he told military police investigators that he had not seen Ms Corrie before she was wounded. Alice Coy, a former ISM volunteer activist who was near Ms Corrie during the incident said in an affidavit to the court that "to the best of my knowledge the bulldozer driver could see Rachel while pushing earth over her body."

Hussein Abu Hussein, a lawyer for the Corrie family, said Major-General Almog's alleged intervention blocked the possible emergence of evidence that could have determined whether Mr Valermov's assertion that he did not see Ms Corrie was reasonable. "Do I believe him? Of course not. There is no doubt this was manslaughter," Mr Abu Hussein said. "First of all we claim the state is responsible for the death of Rachel. And secondly we claim that the investigation was not professional."

"When you, the state of Israel, fail as an authority to perform your function of having a credible investigation, when your standard falls from reasonable, objective standards than you have caused evidentiary damage," Mr Abu Hussein said.

Contacted by The Independent, Major-General Almog, a hero in Israel for his role in the 1976 raid to rescue hostages in Entebbe, Uganda, denied ordering the bulldozer commander to desist from testifying. In 2005, the General narrowly escaped arrest in Britain on a war crimes charge for allegedly ordering the destruction in 2002 of 50 civilian homes in Rafah, where Ms Corrie was later killed. Major-General Almog was tipped off about the warrant and did not disembark at Heathrow, returning instead to Israel on the El Al flight.

Mr Valermov said in his testimony that the bulldozers, manned by two people, were ordered to continue their work despite the presence of the ISM protesters. He said that troops in an armoured personnel carrier threw stun grenades, used tear gas and fired shots towards the ground to scare the protesters away. "It didn't help and therefore we decided to continue the work with all possible delicateness on the orders of the company commander" he said.

The testimony was interrupted after Mr Valermov said the driver of the bulldozer, named only as Yevgeny, said he did not know if Ms Corrie had been harmed by the shovel of the D-9. "It was only when we moved the D-9 backwards that I saw her. The woman was lying in a place where the instrument had not reached. As soon as we saw the harmed woman we returned to the central corridor, stood and waited for orders." The soldier's last statement before the order to stop speaking was: "My job was to guide. The driver cannot guide himself because his field of vision is not large."

Another army document strongly suggests that Major-General Almog opposed the military police investigation. Dated 18 March 2003, a military police investigator petitioning a judge for permission to conduct an autopsy on Ms Corrie's body said that "we arrived only today because there was an argument between the general of southern command and the military advocate general about whether to open an investigation and under what circumstances." The judge granted the request provided the autopsy would be done in the presence of a US diplomat as the Corrie family requested. But the inquest was carried out by Israel's chief pathologist without any US official being there, in apparent violation of the judge's ruling.

Major-General Almog denied halting Mr Valermov's testimony. "I never gave such an order, I don't know such a document. I conducted my own investigation, I don't remember what I found. There were 12,000 terrorist incidents when I was general in charge of southern command. I finished seven years ago, if they want to invite me [to testify] they know the address. I certainly didn't disrupt an investigation, this is nonsense. In all of my service I never told anyone not to testify."

Asked if he gave an order to harm foreign activists interfering with the army's work, Major-General Almog responded: "What are you talking about? You don't know what a general in charge of command is. The general in charge of command has 100,000 soldiers. What are you talking about?''

Moshe Negbi, legal commentator for the state-run Voice of Israel radio, said of Major-General Almog's interdiction: "If a commander prevents a witness from testifying then it is disruption of an investigation, a criminal offence whose penalty is three years imprisonment."

Craig Corrie, Rachel Corrie's father, said the alleged intervention in Valermov's testimony was "outrageous."

"When you see someone in that position taking those steps you not only have to be outraged, you have to ask why is he covering up, what has he done that he needs to take these steps to cover it up?"

An Israel Defense Forces spokesman said: "Any military police investigations are completely independent and cannot be influenced by outside sources." The Israeli state attorneys handling the case declined to be interviewed. The trial is due to resume in September.

Rachel's nightmare scenario

Before she became a political symbol, Rachel Corrie was an American student on a study-abroad programme. A member of a middle-class family from Olympia, Washington, she was attending college locally when she travelled to Gaza with the intention of initiating a twin-city project between Olympia and Rafah.

Arriving in Gaza in January 2003, she linked up with the International Solidarity Movement, and spent the next two months as an activist. In the weeks before her death she wrote a series of emails home to her friends and family that detailed her impressions of life in Gaza. "I have bad nightmares about tanks and bulldozers," she told her mother. "I'm witnessing this chronic, insidious genocide and I'm really scared... This has to stop. I think it is a good idea for us all to drop everything and devote our lives to making this stop."

The emails, which later inspired a play that appeared in London but was cancelled in New York and Toronto, end with an exchange with her father. "I am afraid for you, and I think I have reason to be," he wrote. "But I'm also proud of you – very proud... But I'd just as soon be proud of somebody else's daughter."

Corrie died on 16 March 2003. Like the death of the British activist Tom Hurndall in similar circumstances a year later, it prompted an international outcry about Israel's deeds in the Palestinian territories.
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