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Old 07-09-2009, 11:33 PM   #41
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But people DID have those reactions and events WERE extraordinary.

The film is much the same as 'Woodstock:The Director's cut' or 'The History of Anvil'. The film has nothing to do with politics. It is merely a snapshot of a moment in time and it is fuelled by the reactions of the public to something truly monstrous. The director of the film appears to have little interest in any political agenda.

The film is clearly not designed to manipulate. It is an emotionally moving work and the fact that it distances itself from any opinion or political soapbox is to the director's credit. The film is concerned with documenting the lives of real people in bizarre circumstances and little else.

Watch Michael Moore, David Icke or some BBC debunker-mentary if you want bias.

There was no bias!!! c'mon. There is no footage showing squibs, there is no audio of explosions. It was very clever the way that peoples camcorder versions of the events of that day were interwoven, and on the surface it does appear unbiased. However, it also raised questions in my mind as to why there is no camcorder evidence out there of a plane hitting the pentagon? Not one! Isn't that strange?
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:38 PM   #42
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There you go folks!

Cheeb has announced the truth movement is dead on its arse!

we can all go home now


just wondered if you had a link to back up this statement cheeb?


It Was An Event That Helped Foreward The PNAC Agenda...

Setting Up PNAC

To prepare the ground for the PNAC-like ideas that were circulating in the HardRight, various wealthy individuals and corporations helped set up far-right think-tanks, and bought up various media outlets -- newspapers, magazines, TV networks, radio talk shows, cable channels, etc. -- in support of that day when all the political tumblers would click into place and the PNAC cabal and their supporters could assume control.

This happened with the Supreme Court's selection of George W. Bush in 2000.
The "outsiders" from PNAC were now powerful "insiders," placed in important positions from which they could exert maximum pressure on U.S. policy:
Cheney is Vice President,
Rumsfeld is Defense Secretary,
Wolfowitz is Deputy Defense Secretary,
I. Lewis Libby is Cheney's Chief of Staff,
Elliot Abrams is in charge of Middle East policy at the National Security Council,
Dov Zakheim is comptroller for the Defense Department,
John Bolton is Undersecretary of State,
Richard Perle is chair of the Defense Policy advisory board at the Pentagon, former CIA director James Woolsey is on that panel as well, etc. etc. (PNAC's chairman,
Bill Kristol, is the editor of The Weekly Standard.) In short, PNAC had a lock on military policy-creation in the Bush Administration.

But, in order to unleash their foreign/military campaigns without taking all sorts of flak from the traditional wing of the conservative GOP -- which was more isolationist, more opposed to expanding the role of the federal government, more opposed to military adventurism abroad -- they needed a context that would permit them free rein.

The events of 9/11 rode to their rescue.

(In one of their major reports, written in 2000, they noted that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor.")

The Bush Administration used those acts of terrorism

-- and the fear generated in the general populace --
as their cover for enacting all sorts of draconian measures domestically
(the Patriot Act, drafted earlier, was rushed through Congress in the days following 9/11; few members even read it)
and as their rationalization for launching military campaigns abroad
.




A Window Of Oppurtunity If You Will...

Not An Operation Northwoods,
Or Gulf Of Tonkin Incident...!!!


A Fabian Strategy With A Lucky Break...!!!

I Will Bump The Fabianist Modus Operandi For You...!!!



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Old 08-09-2009, 12:23 AM   #43
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I didn't see this, but if there was no mention of 'explosions' at all in the entire footage broadcast I would call that 'bias' myself.
Correct intentional deceit by the ptb.
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Old 08-09-2009, 03:44 AM   #44
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All that 'phone' footage & such great quality too, 16:9 format, there's zoom shots, perspective & Only One Human objected to having a 'phone' shoved in their face.

Amazing.

A few anomalies shown, were all the burnt out vehicles in the vicinity & a recording of a Firefighter saying there were only two small pockets of fire,(from within the one of the towers) also a couple of times it is heard stated that NO mobile phones in the area are working.

No mention or footage of the Demolished WTC7 Salomon building though, strange that.
Maybe the 35 minute premonition by the bbc reporting of WTC7 destruction wasn't relayed to the 'mobile phone' camera crews in time.

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Old 08-09-2009, 06:58 AM   #45
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some nice high def footage... crystal clear

funny how its all surfaced... who filmed it?
absolutly !!!! i said the same thing to my wife 2 mins after tuning in!! she actually said i was thinking the same thing....


set up?
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Old 08-09-2009, 07:14 AM   #46
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funny that 9/11 gets so much media attention but never are they willing to show,

shows like terrorstorm or loose change!!
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Old 08-09-2009, 07:38 AM   #47
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9/11: 102 Minutes That Changed America



A hundred and two minutes passed between the first plane's impact into North Tower
of the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001,
the second plane's attack on South Tower, and the collapse of both buildings.

In that time, people around New York reached for their cameras.

This documentary joins together hundreds of pieces of footage and audiotape into a single,
seamless historical record, much of it never seen before.

It is an intensely personal and new perspective of the tragedy,
telling that morning's events in real time,
as they were experienced by people around New York.

It's On Channel 4 Tonight At 9.00 pm...


first i thought 9/11 was a inside job now i realize its just another conspiracy made up from the usual nutters....from the straight jacket gang.
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Old 08-09-2009, 07:59 AM   #48
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funny that 9/11 gets so much media attention but never are they willing to show,

shows like terrorstorm or loose change!!
well, loose change is fookking shit.

id like missing links on msm.

and september clues, for the donkey punch sensation that most ppl need.



haha, ?this film has nothing to do with politics?
thx for the headsup
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:36 AM   #49
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We have people all over this thread saying 'But they didn't show anything that relates to the conspiracy!'. This is a confusing train of thought for a number of reasons -

Firstly, If you are a truther/conspiracy theorist ANY footage of 9/11 will relate to a conspiracy, whether it is faked or not. Ergo, a carefully constructed film which fabricates the details is clear evidence of a conspiracy. However, this is not what Channel 4 have constructed at all.

Secondly, the film does not express any intention at all to debate conspiracy theories or debunk anything. There is no narrator and the footage is what it is. Some people in the film crew could be 'truthers', others may believe the official version of events - it is not important. The film is a document of human reaction and that is it's only purpose. If anyone is open to question here, it would be the editor. His only crime would be the selection of submitted footage.

To say 'but they didn't show the inside-job!' is like watching 'Woodstock: 3 Days of Peace & Music' and saying 'but they didn't show the sound engineers backstage!'. Of course they didn't! - that is not the aim of the film. It is not a film about conspiracy theories and the world does not revolve around the truth movement.

Films have a place in context. We can place them outside of that frame - that is our right as critics. However, to suggest a director, or more incredibly an entire film crew, have a secret agenda is an oversight when viewing a film composed almost entirely of actual human reactions, which apart from an editing process, has had all human ego removed.

The 'inside-job theory' is simply not relevant to the film-maker's intentions. That does not automatically mean the director is a co-conspirator with the powers that be, it means the film is operating in an entirely different context. But then this is the David Icke forum where demons lurk in every corner.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:24 AM   #50
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We have people all over this thread saying 'But they didn't show anything that relates to the conspiracy!'. This is a confusing train of thought for a number of reasons -

Firstly, If you are a truther/conspiracy theorist ANY footage of 9/11 will relate to a conspiracy, whether it is faked or not. Ergo, a carefully constructed film which fabricates the details is clear evidence of a conspiracy. However, this is not what Channel 4 have constructed at all.

Secondly, the film does not express any intention at all to debate conspiracy theories or debunk anything. There is no narrator and the footage is what it is. Some people in the film crew could be 'truthers', others may believe the official version of events - it is not important. The film is a document of human reaction and that is it's only purpose. If anyone is open to question here, it would be the editor. His only crime would be the selection of submitted footage.

To say 'but they didn't show the inside-job!' is like watching 'Woodstock: 3 Days of Peace & Music' and saying 'but they didn't show the sound engineers backstage!'. Of course they didn't! - that is not the aim of the film. It is not a film about conspiracy theories and the world does not revolve around the truth movement.

Films have a place in context. We can place them outside of that frame - that is our right as critics. However, to suggest a director, or more incredibly an entire film crew, have a secret agenda is an oversight when viewing a film composed almost entirely of actual human reactions, which apart from an editing process, has had all human ego removed.

The 'inside-job theory' is simply not relevant to the film-maker's intentions. That does not automatically mean the director is a co-conspirator with the powers that be, it means the film is operating in an entirely different context. But then this is the David Icke forum where demons lurk in every corner.
Nah.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:20 PM   #51
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRCTkSJOViY

Well Then He Is A Liar...

Or Ill Informed...!!!

All That Stuff About Explosions And Bombs Is New Edited Videos...!!!

The 9/11 Truth Movement Is Dead On It's Arse...!!!


Pathetic he was there right in the middle of it all, even the last person out of the towers. youre just an idiot spouting crap on forums.
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Old 08-09-2009, 03:22 PM   #52
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Pathetic he was there right in the middle of it all, even the last person out of the towers. youre just an idiot spouting crap on forums.
First Person/Last Person Out Of The Towers Doesn't Mean A Thing...!!!

In a sense, we were all there.
At work we stood glued to the tv (in shock and disbelief) and watched the thing.

If there had been sight or sound of an explosion,
the on-scene reporters would have HEARD it and it would have been caught on tape.
Firefighters and police on the scene would have mentioned it on the radios...
and there are sites where you can listen to the UNCENSORED chatter from that day...
as much as you can stand to listen to.

And they don't mention it.

Now, police and firefighters are trained to notice things like that, y'know?
We have hundreds of thousands of live ("we were there!") witnesses and tape and so forth
-- and the only one who says there's a secondary explosion is some whacko with a website?

Who Is The Idiot Spouting Second Hand Crap On Forums Now...!!!



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Old 08-09-2009, 07:54 PM   #53
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First Person/Last Person Out Of The Towers Doesn't Mean A Thing...!!!

In a sense, we were all there.
At work we stood glued to the tv (in shock and disbelief) and watched the thing.

If there had been sight or sound of an explosion,
the on-scene reporters would have HEARD it and it would have been caught on tape.
Firefighters and police on the scene would have mentioned it on the radios...
and there are sites where you can listen to the UNCENSORED chatter from that day...
as much as you can stand to listen to.

And they don't mention it.

Now, police and firefighters are trained to notice things like that, y'know?
We have hundreds of thousands of live ("we were there!") witnesses and tape and so forth
-- and the only one who says there's a secondary explosion is some whacko with a website?

Who Is The Idiot Spouting Second Hand Crap On Forums Now...!!!



Whats this?
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:03 PM   #54
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gonna post this youtube link again as it has dissappeared from this thread twice:

sounds like explosions to me?
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:41 PM   #55
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Got A Link To That Video...

I Used To Live Just Up The Road From Where Ricky Riscora Lived...

In Hayle, Cornwall...!!!

Bit Of A Local Hero...!!!


No way, me too! Small world aye?

This was always going to be an emotional piece of propaganda. Hoping to flair up the patriotism for the war maybe? Afghanistan isn't going to well after all....
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