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Old 18-12-2016, 02:52 PM   #1
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How They Are Shutting Down the Alternative Media Online
https://www.davidicke.com/article/39...e-media-online

This was from Friday's Standard.
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Police 'must be given power to shut websites in child abuse and revenge porn fight'

Police need new powers to shut websites and curb access to social media to fight the threat of child abuse and revenge porn attacks, a chief constable said today.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3422131.html
Hmmn Fraud applies to which side? Tip toe tip toe I wonder...
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Old 18-12-2016, 03:25 PM   #2
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They can't shut people up. Just move them around.
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:53 PM   #3
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I dare say the intend to shut it down by doing the same trick they are with the plan for mandatory vaccination - create a movement that scares the shit out of everyone so that the public support whatever solution the establishment suggests.

They also spend a lot of time dropping hints they're gonna do it, then deny it thus capitalising on the unanamous belief that government lies and therefore focusing everyone's attention upon what they want to happen by what is essentially reverse psychology, usually backed by controlled opposition convincing everybody they're gonna do the thing they denied.

Did i leave anything out?

Oh crap, I didn't read the link you provided. but if the shoe I just posted fits, I'll wear it.
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Old 19-12-2016, 10:16 AM   #4
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Very good post spoons.
Now we need to think about what WE can do to counter their strategy so that their plan won't work.

Anybody else have anything to offer on top of what spoons said?
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Old 19-12-2016, 11:26 AM   #5
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I was always slightly dubious about the validity of "shills" - Not anymore! - So it would not surprise me if teams of shills were employed to disrupt forums which post AM info. With open talk of shutting down AM online, it's now more than ever that individuals need to take personal responsibility for what they write online if they wish to keep their right to free speech.

I'm starting to believe that there is a more serious agenda behind "crazy troofer" posts than just some person having a laugh online.
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Old 19-12-2016, 11:40 AM   #6
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I was always slightly dubious about the validity of "shills" - Not anymore! - So it would not surprise me if teams of shills were employed to disrupt forums which post AM info. With open talk of shutting down AM online, it's now more than ever that individuals need to take personal responsibility for what they write online if they wish to keep their right to free speech.

I'm starting to believe that there is a more serious agenda behind "crazy troofer" posts than just some person having a laugh online.
The trouble is we have difficulty deciding what is truth because some of the things that come out appears outright bonkers e.g. politicians or police abusing children yet it is happening, you only have to listen to those that are testifying and received apologies e.g. recent lambeth council care home case. On the other hand we are trying to figure out if Pizzagate is fake or real....lack of info or concealment (with good reason on their part) makes it difficult for us to know real or fake. But before we could make our decision, it needs to be discussed in the open which would attract shills.....

But in all of this muddy water, there is a solution. I know that.

PS - I want you all to meditate on this.
When you fight with anger, you loose energy i.e. not good or productive.
When you get all emotional, it's distraction, you get derailed.... sounds familiar? How many threads got derailed because of high emotion amongst members? Fight back without emotion, as if it is just a matter of fact. So if something is wrong, just correct it.

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Old 19-12-2016, 11:50 AM   #7
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The trouble is we have difficulty deciding what is truth because some of the things that come out appears outright bonkers e.g. politicians or police abusing children yet it is happening, you only have to listen to those that are testifying and received apologies e.g. recent lambeth council care home case. On the other hand we are trying to figure out if Pizzagate is fake or real....lack of info or concealment (with good reason on their part) makes it difficult for us to know real or fake. But before we could make our decision, it needs to be discussed in the open which would attract shills.....

But in all of this muddy water, there is a solution. I know that.
I get what you're saying, els and to a degree this is why we ( the team) are always telling people not to post the first thing which comes into their head as regards to suspected FF/Hoax scenarios. That's where the waters get muddied and genuine researchers end up being trolled. I think, lets not make it easy for tptb to close down discussions and information which the msm wont touch. Like I said in my last post, people need to take self responsibility for what they do online - We all need to decide if we want to be part of the problem or part of the solution.
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I get what you're saying, els and to a degree this is why we ( the team) are always telling people not to post the first thing which comes into their head as regards to suspected FF/Hoax scenarios. That's where the waters get muddied and genuine researchers end up being trolled. I think, lets not make it easy for tptb to close down discussions and information which the msm wont touch. Like I said in my last post, people need to take self responsibility for what they do online - We all need to decide if we want to be part of the problem or part of the solution.
I am feeling fuzzy so I can't write as clear as I wish unfortunately today.
But I will try.
Instead of trying to change tptb, shouldn't we (since we, individually, have control over us) change ourselves? I'm not talking about 'reframing from posting the first thing that comes to one's mind', fundamentally it's the attitude towards tptb needs to be changed. We are still feeling all too powerless. If this is changed, they will not be able to impose power over us. So what does this mean in a practical sense? It could be that WE make sure there will be another channel of communication set up so that if they close this one down, we have another means to continue which isn't covered by law or somewhere they can't touch? That's not the only solution though....I think there are other things we can do to make sure IF they close down, we can still continue.

Be like virus.
If virus' environment change, virus adapt. Flexibility is the way of survival.

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Old 19-12-2016, 12:22 PM   #9
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Well, yes. There is a reason why Godlike productions shut its doors to new members, why they have took to banning whole swathes of IP addresses.

They shut their doors to keep the trolls out.

Richard Hall / Rich Planet have done this too, for the same reason.

There is a reason why other 'conspiracy' based forums have closed their doors, because, quite simply, they become over run with people who just want to trash discussion and divert attention.

There are a myriad of ways in which they do that. They insult, they attack, they trash. But also, as Geta points out above, they propagate very dubious 'information' such as Flat Earth and other disingenuous topics (i'm not going to go into which topics, specifically, but with discernment we 'know' which topics they are, and who those members are) - they do this to tar all discussion with one colour....

And, as we all know, one bad apple eventually tarnishes all apples in the keg.

We, as a community, have gotten close to the truth, closer than many would like in the Savile research and 911 truth. The community, as a whole have shone a light into the rabbit hole and highlighted just how deep it is. We've put a spotlight n the Windsors, on Parliament, on the American administration and their paymasters, how they manipulate the masses to their own agenda.

i take my hat off to those who apply investigative analysis to join the dots, who focus their attention on uncovering what has been hidden from us for the longest of times, not only for the work they put in but also for holding firm against the clear and present danger those disruptive trolls pose to open discussion.

I'm not sure if those people are paid shills, but certainly they are doing the job of shills, if not for £ then for their own enjoyment and twisted sense of ego.

We can spot the topics that are here to make us look like loonies, and we can spot those who wish only to disrupt and derail.

As i said before: you are either part of the problem, or part of the solution. And as Geta said, people need to take responsibility for what they post here.
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Very good post spoons.
Now we need to think about what WE can do to counter their strategy so that their plan won't work.

Anybody else have anything to offer on top of what spoons said?
The trick is to not directly contradict, but get people to question it by asking them questions. Usually, telling someone something that directly contradicts what they saw on TV is as effective as telling a devout Christian that god does not exist, or conversely, an atheist that he does.
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https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=313954

^ iamawaveofthesea's thread also has a countermeasure. Basically, go to mainstream webistes/forum and post comments which we have been doing but inviting more to do so. After all, if we just stayed at DIF, it's like converting the converted.

IF, (BIG if....) AM sites are shut down, we still have mainstream site even though it may be moderated.
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^ The government might TAX conspiracy sites.
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Old 23-12-2016, 07:20 PM   #14
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Regionally Blocked Websites.

Just want to inform or remind others, that just because a country blocks a web site doesn't mean you can't access it any longer. i wanted to say this to reduce any fear building up on this subject.

Unless a website is blocked by every country or region of the world then it can still be accessed through a VPN which makes your IP address look like you are based in a different country which has not banned the site.

more info here:
http://www.howtogeek.com/210614/how-...here-on-earth/

Also, i think it goes without saying that more solutions will be created in the future to work around 'banning' of sites.

For example the owner of the site can mirror the site on servers in other countries either virtually through VPN or literally on a server in that country - a bit like Pirate Bay has done if you know the story of this torrent site, they have many many mirrors of the torrent index all over the world.

So if this banning thing becomes a real problem, you can almost guarantee new services with real solutions will become available.

These services will cost a bit extra but even now with not high numbers using them they are only about 5$/month, so cost wise it's not the end of affordable internet access.
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It's actually worse than you think and threatens to stifle even mainstream media. The "i" newspaper reported this week on the implications of Section 40 of the Crime & Courts Act 2013 validated by the Queen's Royal Charter, which demands that should a court case arise over any newspaper story, the newspaper is now responsible for paying out the court costs for both sides whether the journalism is proved to be accurate or erroneous.

With editors of all newspapers now fearful of footing such huge costs, the "i" warns this could spell the end of all investigative journalism about anything across all mainstream media.

There is now a petition in place to challenge its implementation :

http://www.gov.uk/government/consult...implementation

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