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Old 02-01-2012, 04:05 AM   #1
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Christains and Jews really dislike being questioned about why the prophecies are delayed...It can cause massive cognitive dissonance for most believers (including myself).


How come the Messiah can't come back until certain prophecies have taken place?

Does this mean if the prophecies are not played out then the World will continue forever?

And who is able to know what the prophecies actually mean in advance when the prophet Daniel didn't even know the interpretation of the End of Days given by the angel called Michael?

So many questions yet no real answers,unless it's the result of someone causing the End Time prophecies to be aborted.

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Christains and Jews really dislike being questioned about why the prophecies are delayed...It can cause massive cognitive dissonance for most believers (including myself).


How come the Messiah can't come back until certain prophecies have taken place?

Does this mean if the prophecies are not played out then the World will continue forever?

And who is able to know what the prophecies actually mean in advance when the prophet Daniel didn't even know the interpretation of the End of Days given by the angel called Michael?

So many questions yet no real answers,unless it's the result of someone causing the End Time prophecies to be aborted.

Its much worse than a delay for the Christians !!

Language is clear, they expected him back then.

It wasnt bad enough to make him up whole cloth.


Necessary evil is a very interesting subject !!


I have lots of real world answers.
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Heh, xian church has been bragging about it for 2000 years now.

During ancient times Nero was believed to be to ''Antichrist'' and it was told that the ''end was near''... it didn't happen for almost 2000 years.

During WW II Adolf Hitler was believed to be the ''Antichrist'' and the end was also supposed to be near... it isn't.

Here is something about how jehowa's witnesses were predicting end of the world ( it is still only from 150 years ago, the list is much longer):

Here is some humor (Jehova's Witnesses) quotes from their material and the Watchtower and Awake! magazines:

1877- THE END OF THIS WORLD...is nearer than most men suppose * from the book: "Three Worlds and the Harvest of this World" Jehova's Witnesses and Prophetic Speculation; 1877

1889- In subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God has already begun...And that the "battle of the great day of god almighty (revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced. [The 1915 edition of this book changed "A.D. 1914" to "A.D. 1915."] *from the book "The Time is at Hand; 1889

July 15th 1894- We see no reason for changing the futures- nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.

1904- The stress of the great time of trouble will be on us soon, somewhere between 1910 and 1912- culminating in the end of the "Times of the Gentiles," October 1914. *from the book "The New Creation" 1904

May 1st, 1914- There is absolutely no ground for bible students to question that the consummation of this gospel age is now even at the door...The great crisis...that will consume the ecclesiastical heavens and the social earth is very near. *Watchtower reprints

When the 1914 events did not occur, they were rescheduled for 1918-1925

The book "The Finished Mystery" Armageddon was to begin "in the spring of 1918" There was to be "worldwide all-embracing anarchy" in the "fall of 1920." The 1917 edition asserts that Revelation 11:13 would be fulfilled "early in 1918" ("the earthquake") and in the "fall of 1920" (the fire). The 1926 edition is again altered.

The Watchtower- Sept 1st, 1922: "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures because it is fixed by the law of God to Israel..."

Watchtower- April 1st, 1923: "Our thought is that 1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures."

So what happened when 1925 arrived??

Watchtower- Jan 1st 1925: "With great expectation, christians have looked foreward to this year. Many have been confidently expected that all members of the body of christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. "

What happened at the end of 1925??

Watchtower- Sept 1925: "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated the thought that 1925 should see an end of the work, and therefore it would be needless for them to do no more."

**All of a sudden Satan, not "god" is the one prophesying.

1930- "The great climax is at hand"

1931- "God's kingdom has begun to operate. His day of vengeance is here and Armageddon is at hand."

1933- "The overwhelming testamony of the prophesy and of the supporting facts shows the cleansing of the sanctuary has been accomplished and this indicates that Armageddon draws nigh.

1939- "The battle of the great day of God almighty is very near"

There were 44 more predictions; 42 from the Watchtower, from May 1940- April 1943.

Sept 1, 1944- "Armageddon is near at hand."

1946- (after WWII) "The disaster of Armageddon...is at the door."

1950- "The March is on! Where? To the field of Armageddon for the 'war of the great day of God almighty.' "

1953- "Armageddon is so near at hand, it will strike the generation now living" *The year 1954 was thought by many witnesses to be "The Year."

1955- "It has become clear that the war of Armageddon is near its breaking out point."

1958- "When will Armageddon be fought? Jehova the great time keeper has scheduled Armageddon to come at the close of the "time of the end." That time is near. How hear?...No man knows the date but we know it will be very soon. How do we know it will be very soon? Because the time left for the Devil, now that christ has hurled the Devil down to earth, is called 'a short period of time' (revelation 12:12)

Awake! October 1968: Stated that "certain persons" had falsley predicted the end of the world, and what they lacked was "God's guidance."

*But now, supposedly, this false prophesying is over:

1971: They have "all the evidence" and that god is "guiding them." and "it is overwhelming." Now armageddon will occur in 1975.

1972: "In the mind of the average witness, there is no doubt that the 1975 date is correct."

1976 Watchtower: March 15th- "Reconciliation through God's mercy before Arnmageddon"

September 22nd- "a global disaster unparalleled in human history, is very near."

December 15th- "Hold on, the promise nears fulfiillment"

1979 Watchtower: June 15th- "A day of reckoning at hand"

Oct 15th "Take courage, the millineum is at hand"

November 1st- "Christian neutrality as God's war approaches."

A psychiatrist remarked that there is a psychiatric hospital they refer to as "the watchtower" as it is full of so many jehova's witnesses.

-------
Chrisitan prophecies are nothing more then load of crap.
Christianity has nothing of it's own. Every symbol, character and holiday were stolen and twisted from it's Pagan predecesors, that preceded christianity by hundreds to thousands of years. I encourage you to study, although i must warn you however that this takes some guts to admit that you have been worshipping clergy thru all those years, and that your religion is nothing more then a program, designed for the gain of the ''chosen few''. No brainer why abrahamic religions are so strong on their believers to be never questioning and allways obeying, conformistic sheep. They want to turn you into a slave, incapable of critical thinking, so that they can load your mind with tons of crap, without fear of consequences. Time to stand up for yourself.

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Old 02-01-2012, 05:14 AM   #4
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Heh, xian church has been bragging about it for 2000 years now.

During ancient times Nero was believed to be to ''Antichrist'' and it was told that the ''end was near''... it didn't happen for almost 2000 years.

During WW II Adolf Hitler was believed to be the ''Antichrist'' and the end was also supposed to be near... it isn't.

Here is something about how jehowa's witnesses were predicting end of the world ( it is still only from 150 years ago, the list is much longer):

Here is some humor (Jehova's Witnesses) quotes from their material and the Watchtower and Awake! magazines:

1877- THE END OF THIS WORLD...is nearer than most men suppose * from the book: "Three Worlds and the Harvest of this World" Jehova's Witnesses and Prophetic Speculation; 1877

1889- In subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God has already begun...And that the "battle of the great day of god almighty (revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced. [The 1915 edition of this book changed "A.D. 1914" to "A.D. 1915."] *from the book "The Time is at Hand; 1889

July 15th 1894- We see no reason for changing the futures- nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.

1904- The stress of the great time of trouble will be on us soon, somewhere between 1910 and 1912- culminating in the end of the "Times of the Gentiles," October 1914. *from the book "The New Creation" 1904

May 1st, 1914- There is absolutely no ground for bible students to question that the consummation of this gospel age is now even at the door...The great crisis...that will consume the ecclesiastical heavens and the social earth is very near. *Watchtower reprints

When the 1914 events did not occur, they were rescheduled for 1918-1925

The book "The Finished Mystery" Armageddon was to begin "in the spring of 1918" There was to be "worldwide all-embracing anarchy" in the "fall of 1920." The 1917 edition asserts that Revelation 11:13 would be fulfilled "early in 1918" ("the earthquake") and in the "fall of 1920" (the fire). The 1926 edition is again altered.

The Watchtower- Sept 1st, 1922: "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures because it is fixed by the law of God to Israel..."

Watchtower- April 1st, 1923: "Our thought is that 1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures."

So what happened when 1925 arrived??

Watchtower- Jan 1st 1925: "With great expectation, christians have looked foreward to this year. Many have been confidently expected that all members of the body of christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. "

What happened at the end of 1925??

Watchtower- Sept 1925: "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated the thought that 1925 should see an end of the work, and therefore it would be needless for them to do no more."

**All of a sudden Satan, not "god" is the one prophesying.

1930- "The great climax is at hand"

1931- "God's kingdom has begun to operate. His day of vengeance is here and Armageddon is at hand."

1933- "The overwhelming testamony of the prophesy and of the supporting facts shows the cleansing of the sanctuary has been accomplished and this indicates that Armageddon draws nigh.

1939- "The battle of the great day of God almighty is very near"

There were 44 more predictions; 42 from the Watchtower, from May 1940- April 1943.

Sept 1, 1944- "Armageddon is near at hand."

1946- (after WWII) "The disaster of Armageddon...is at the door."

1950- "The March is on! Where? To the field of Armageddon for the 'war of the great day of God almighty.' "

1953- "Armageddon is so near at hand, it will strike the generation now living" *The year 1954 was thought by many witnesses to be "The Year."

1955- "It has become clear that the war of Armageddon is near its breaking out point."

1958- "When will Armageddon be fought? Jehova the great time keeper has scheduled Armageddon to come at the close of the "time of the end." That time is near. How hear?...No man knows the date but we know it will be very soon. How do we know it will be very soon? Because the time left for the Devil, now that christ has hurled the Devil down to earth, is called 'a short period of time' (revelation 12:12)

Awake! October 1968: Stated that "certain persons" had falsley predicted the end of the world, and what they lacked was "God's guidance."

*But now, supposedly, this false prophesying is over:

1971: They have "all the evidence" and that god is "guiding them." and "it is overwhelming." Now armageddon will occur in 1975.

1972: "In the mind of the average witness, there is no doubt that the 1975 date is correct."

1976 Watchtower: March 15th- "Reconciliation through God's mercy before Arnmageddon"

September 22nd- "a global disaster unparalleled in human history, is very near."

December 15th- "Hold on, the promise nears fulfiillment"

1979 Watchtower: June 15th- "A day of reckoning at hand"

Oct 15th "Take courage, the millineum is at hand"

November 1st- "Christian neutrality as God's war approaches."

A psychiatrist remarked that there is a psychiatric hospital they refer to as "the watchtower" as it is full of so many jehova's witnesses.

-------
Chrisitan prophecies are nothing more then load of crap.
Christianity has nothing of it's own. Every symbol, character and holiday were stolen and twisted from it's Pagan predecesors, that preceded christianity by hundreds to thousands of years. I encourage you to study, although i must warn you however that this takes some guts to admit that you have been worshipping clergy thru all those years, and that your religion is nothing more then a program, designed for the gain of the ''chosen few''. No brainer why abrahamic religions are so strong on their believers to be never questioning and allways obeying, conformistic sheep. They want to turn you into a slave, incapable of critical thinking, so that they can load your mind with tons of crap, without fear of consequences. Time to stand up for yourself.
You need to focus on the folks that set this up, they actually know the game.

Do you see the Bible at work here ??


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Heh, xian church has been bragging about it for 2000 years now.

During ancient times Nero was believed to be to ''Antichrist'' and it was told that the ''end was near''... it didn't happen for almost 2000 years.

During WW II Adolf Hitler was believed to be the ''Antichrist'' and the end was also supposed to be near... it isn't.

Here is something about how jehowa's witnesses were predicting end of the world ( it is still only from 150 years ago, the list is much longer):

Here is some humor (Jehova's Witnesses) quotes from their material and the Watchtower and Awake! magazines:

1877- THE END OF THIS WORLD...is nearer than most men suppose * from the book: "Three Worlds and the Harvest of this World" Jehova's Witnesses and Prophetic Speculation; 1877

1889- In subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God has already begun...And that the "battle of the great day of god almighty (revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced. [The 1915 edition of this book changed "A.D. 1914" to "A.D. 1915."] *from the book "The Time is at Hand; 1889

July 15th 1894- We see no reason for changing the futures- nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.

1904- The stress of the great time of trouble will be on us soon, somewhere between 1910 and 1912- culminating in the end of the "Times of the Gentiles," October 1914. *from the book "The New Creation" 1904

May 1st, 1914- There is absolutely no ground for bible students to question that the consummation of this gospel age is now even at the door...The great crisis...that will consume the ecclesiastical heavens and the social earth is very near. *Watchtower reprints

When the 1914 events did not occur, they were rescheduled for 1918-1925

The book "The Finished Mystery" Armageddon was to begin "in the spring of 1918" There was to be "worldwide all-embracing anarchy" in the "fall of 1920." The 1917 edition asserts that Revelation 11:13 would be fulfilled "early in 1918" ("the earthquake") and in the "fall of 1920" (the fire). The 1926 edition is again altered.

The Watchtower- Sept 1st, 1922: "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures because it is fixed by the law of God to Israel..."

Watchtower- April 1st, 1923: "Our thought is that 1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures."

So what happened when 1925 arrived??

Watchtower- Jan 1st 1925: "With great expectation, christians have looked foreward to this year. Many have been confidently expected that all members of the body of christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. "

What happened at the end of 1925??

Watchtower- Sept 1925: "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated the thought that 1925 should see an end of the work, and therefore it would be needless for them to do no more."

**All of a sudden Satan, not "god" is the one prophesying.

1930- "The great climax is at hand"

1931- "God's kingdom has begun to operate. His day of vengeance is here and Armageddon is at hand."

1933- "The overwhelming testamony of the prophesy and of the supporting facts shows the cleansing of the sanctuary has been accomplished and this indicates that Armageddon draws nigh.

1939- "The battle of the great day of God almighty is very near"

There were 44 more predictions; 42 from the Watchtower, from May 1940- April 1943.

Sept 1, 1944- "Armageddon is near at hand."

1946- (after WWII) "The disaster of Armageddon...is at the door."

1950- "The March is on! Where? To the field of Armageddon for the 'war of the great day of God almighty.' "

1953- "Armageddon is so near at hand, it will strike the generation now living" *The year 1954 was thought by many witnesses to be "The Year."

1955- "It has become clear that the war of Armageddon is near its breaking out point."

1958- "When will Armageddon be fought? Jehova the great time keeper has scheduled Armageddon to come at the close of the "time of the end." That time is near. How hear?...No man knows the date but we know it will be very soon. How do we know it will be very soon? Because the time left for the Devil, now that christ has hurled the Devil down to earth, is called 'a short period of time' (revelation 12:12)

Awake! October 1968: Stated that "certain persons" had falsley predicted the end of the world, and what they lacked was "God's guidance."

*But now, supposedly, this false prophesying is over:

1971: They have "all the evidence" and that god is "guiding them." and "it is overwhelming." Now armageddon will occur in 1975.

1972: "In the mind of the average witness, there is no doubt that the 1975 date is correct."

1976 Watchtower: March 15th- "Reconciliation through God's mercy before Arnmageddon"

September 22nd- "a global disaster unparalleled in human history, is very near."

December 15th- "Hold on, the promise nears fulfiillment"

1979 Watchtower: June 15th- "A day of reckoning at hand"

Oct 15th "Take courage, the millineum is at hand"

November 1st- "Christian neutrality as God's war approaches."

A psychiatrist remarked that there is a psychiatric hospital they refer to as "the watchtower" as it is full of so many jehova's witnesses.

-------
Chrisitan prophecies are nothing more then load of crap.
Christianity has nothing of it's own. Every symbol, character and holiday were stolen and twisted from it's Pagan predecesors, that preceded christianity by hundreds to thousands of years. I encourage you to study, although i must warn you however that this takes some guts to admit that you have been worshipping clergy thru all those years, and that your religion is nothing more then a program, designed for the gain of the ''chosen few''. No brainer why abrahamic religions are so strong on their believers to be never questioning and allways obeying, conformistic sheep. They want to turn you into a slave, incapable of critical thinking, so that they can load your mind with tons of crap, without fear of consequences. Time to stand up for yourself.
lol hahahahaha.
You know who runs and created those organizations aka watchtower.
Got to love the spiders web
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lol hahahahaha.
You know who runs and created those organizations aka watchtower.
Got to love the spiders web
No one is running the organization that says this messiah was suppose to return and the clear fact that he did not return then and has not returned in the last 2000 years only proves the hoax. The Bible has covered it's tracks well on this by "no man knows the time or day" clause. Well apparently this messiah does not know the time or day either. You cannot blame some mythical NWO or anyone else for no return fact is he was an invention of the church and has made them millions of $$$$$$ and built fine fancy churches to worship him. Sheeples stroll into this fine buildings totally blind to the fact that they have been hood winked and lied to the last 2000 years. NO ONE is going to SAVE you! Only you can SAVE yourself!
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Christains and Jews really dislike being questioned about why the prophecies are delayed...It can cause massive cognitive dissonance for most believers (including myself).


How come the Messiah can't come back until certain prophecies have taken place?

Does this mean if the prophecies are not played out then the World will continue forever?

And who is able to know what the prophecies actually mean in advance when the prophet Daniel didn't even know the interpretation of the End of Days given by the angel called Michael?

So many questions yet no real answers,unless it's the result of someone causing the End Time prophecies to be aborted.
Daniel was supplanted by Revelation. Daniel is an OT book. Revelation is a NT book. It helps to start in the NT when you're looking at NT prophecies.

The premise of this thread is false.
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Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
It is startling to see how many deluded people there are who presume to know what God has already declared to be unknowable.
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No one is running the organization that says this messiah was suppose to return and the clear fact that he did not return then and has not returned in the last 2000 years only proves the hoax. The Bible has covered it's tracks well on this by "no man knows the time or day" clause. Well apparently this messiah does not know the time or day either. You cannot blame some mythical NWO or anyone else for no return fact is he was an invention of the church and has made them millions of $$$$$$ and built fine fancy churches to worship him. Sheeples stroll into this fine buildings totally blind to the fact that they have been hood winked and lied to the last 2000 years. NO ONE is going to SAVE you! Only you can SAVE yourself!
Realy i beg to differ!!!!
Who says some one is gonna save you.Some person.The temple is god your body and all the energy in it.
You see to literal....

Trillions upon trillions of dollars...
About now... The whole world is getting set up for azazel return.
Why spend all that hard earn money(you speak lol plus from all other sources) on the wars in the middle east and bankrupt the world and the usa in the process?

Whats so important about the middle east?
Thats the question you should be asking yourself!!!!!
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Why does the world have to be one?
Whats so important about a one world order ask yourself that too.
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Realy i beg to differ!!!!
Who says some one is gonna save you.Some person.The temple is god your body and all the energy in it.
You see to literal....

Trillions upon trillions of dollars...
About now... The whole world is getting set up for azazel return.
Why spend all that hard earn money(you speak lol plus from all other sources) on the wars in the middle east and bankrupt the world and the usa in the process?

Whats so important about the middle east?
Thats the question you should be asking yourself!!!!!
NEWS FLASH!
People in the Middle East were fighting long before your mythical messiah was created and long before any delusions of grandeur about some NWO that is taking over the world.

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Daniel was supplanted by Revelation. Daniel is an OT book. Revelation is a NT book. It helps to start in the NT when you're looking at NT prophecies.

The premise of this thread is false.

It is startling to see how many deluded people there are who presume to know what God has already declared to be unknowable.
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I love this christian "Argument from Authority" BS its hysterically funny as hell.....
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Whats so important about the middle east?
Thats the question you should be asking yourself!!!!!
Oil. No other reason. If it wasn't for oil, the middle east would be like the Sudan or Ethiopia - an irrelevant backwater where people always fought each other.
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I've no idea why these "end-time" prophesies have yet to materialise, but then I wouldn't really, as I'm only human! There's no point mining the Bible for clues - for a start we're not meant to know, and IMHO that's a good thing - I sure wouldn't want to have that kind of responsibility! The only things I can conjecture are as follows:

1) God's "time" isn't the same as "our time". That would make sense, seeing as He's limitless and we, well, aren't.

2) He is loath to bring everything to a head because He loves us and wants to give everyone as much time as possible.

3) Some, at least, of the prophecies have come to pass and we've not recognised them as such.

IMHO, though, whilst Jesus has left us in Body, he has not left us in Spirit - in this way, he is in fact still here.

I'm not trying to "convince" anyone with my reply to this thread - just giving my opinion. Either you have faith, or you don't. I don't have the answers. I just try and have faith that everything will come good in the end.

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if god/christ is within those who seek him then we are all potential messiahs..
And our time is now...time to stop waiting for some one or something to come and save us...time to save our selves..
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I've no idea why these "end-time" prophesies have yet to materialise, but then I wouldn't really, as I'm only human! There's no point mining the Bible for clues - for a start we're not meant to know, and IMHO that's a good thing - I sure wouldn't want to have that kind of responsibility! The only things I can conjecture are as follows:

1) God's "time" isn't the same as "our time". That would make sense, seeing as He's limitless and we, well, aren't.

2) He is loath to bring everything to a head because He loves us and wants to give everyone as much time as possible.

3) Some, at least, of the prophecies have come to pass and we've not recognised them as such.

IMHO, though, whilst Jesus has left us in Body, he has not left us in Spirit - in this way, he is in fact still here.

I'm not trying to "convince" anyone with my reply to this thread - just giving my opinion. Either you have faith, or you don't. I don't have the answers. I just try and have faith that everything will come good in the end.

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+1 Mandy!
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:58 PM   #15
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if god/christ is within those who seek him then we are all potential messiahs..
And our time is now...time to stop waiting for some one or something to come and save us...time to save our selves..
I believe if we truly seek with an open mind and an open heart, we will be shown the "I Am" .
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Wink No one will be able to point to a date on any

Isn't the Messiah coming back?

No he [it] is already here for a long time getting the list ready!


No one without a Spirit will be able to point to a date on any calender!

But that this will happen is a clear logical fact if you have the knowledge how Evil operates!


Then there is one more thing those which have no Spirit don't even know the difference between World, Earth & what the Heaven represents in scripture!

That's the way the God/image created it; its all on a need to know bases & only the once with a true Spiritual mind will know what's coming & what really is going down!

I know already & all other Spirit beings do too! ..... & those which don't have a Spirit will never know until it hits them on there empty heads these type will just end up being totally shocked once the permanent End looks right into there face & every single Spirit being; will be save & saved!

Ask a Spiritual Human if you can find one; they all have the 100% answer to the End of the World question & what it really is & how dramatic it will play out! ..... Trust Me!

If you like to know; if you are on the list for wipe out its easy! .... search for your Spirit if you don't find one; you are 100% on the list!!

If you found your Spirit well I don't need to say anything; because you will know the truth the way I know it already!


Is there a final End of the World in progress? .... YES 150%!!!!


You like to know the date ..... no sorry that's Gods permanent secret towards all non Spirits; but its all fully revealed in any Spirit!

So you have to search for the Spirit then you will know the date, how, when why & who!!

Will the true End be painful ..... YES very; but only for those which are without a Spirit!!!


Part of the answer is in here:
18. The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.


Note the Number on the verse .... no its not coincidental all is by design!
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Psalm 111.10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever
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Oil. No other reason. If it wasn't for oil, the middle east would be like the Sudan or Ethiopia - an irrelevant backwater where people always fought each other.
Smoke and mirrors distraction,
Look/fight over there while the real action goes on here (USA).

Gee theyre so clever.





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Isn't the Messiah coming back?

No he [it] is already here for a long time getting the list ready!


No one without a Spirit will be able to point to a date on any calender!

But that this will happen is a clear logical fact if you have the knowledge how Evil operates!


Then there is one more thing those which have no Spirit don't even know the difference between World, Earth & what the Heaven represents in scripture!

That's the way the God/image created it; its all on a need to know bases & only the once with a true Spiritual mind will know what's coming & what really is going down!

I know already & all other Spirit beings do too! ..... & those which don't have a Spirit will never know until it hits them on there empty heads these type will just end up being totally shocked once the permanent End looks right into there face & every single Spirit being; will be save & saved!

Ask a Spiritual Human if you can find one; they all have the 100% answer to the End of the World question & what it really is & how dramatic it will play out! ..... Trust Me!

If you like to know; if you are on the list for wipe out its easy! .... search for your Spirit if you don't find one; you are 100% on the list!!

If you found your Spirit well I don't need to say anything; because you will know the truth the way I know it already!


Is there a final End of the World in progress? .... YES 150%!!!!


You like to know the date ..... no sorry that's Gods permanent secret towards all non Spirits; but its all fully revealed in any Spirit!

So you have to search for the Spirit then you will know the date, how, when why & who!!

Will the true End be painful ..... YES very; but only for those which are without a Spirit!!!


Part of the answer is in here:
18. The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.


Note the Number on the verse .... no its not coincidental all is by design!


The Disciples were asking the Messiah about their personal end.They were not asking about the Second coming of Messiah....
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if god/christ is within those who seek him then we are all potential messiahs..
And our time is now...time to stop waiting for some one or something to come and save us...time to save our selves..
I agree and I believe that this is our work here.
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I've no idea why these "end-time" prophesies have yet to materialise, but then I wouldn't really, as I'm only human! There's no point mining the Bible for clues - for a start we're not meant to know, and IMHO that's a good thing - I sure wouldn't want to have that kind of responsibility! The only things I can conjecture are as follows:

1) God's "time" isn't the same as "our time". That would make sense, seeing as He's limitless and we, well, aren't.

2) He is loath to bring everything to a head because He loves us and wants to give everyone as much time as possible.

3) Some, at least, of the prophecies have come to pass and we've not recognised them as such.

IMHO, though, whilst Jesus has left us in Body, he has not left us in Spirit - in this way, he is in fact still here.

I'm not trying to "convince" anyone with my reply to this thread - just giving my opinion. Either you have faith, or you don't. I don't have the answers. I just try and have faith that everything will come good in the end.

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So if you,being human, can't understand the reason as to why the prophecies haven't yet come to pass,then what's the whole point of dishing out warnings in the first place?

I thought the Prophecies were a warning to humanity,and those that have wisdom in the ''human race'' could make the unwise know about the dangers,and so REPENT as to avoid the catastrophes.

I know why the Prophecies are being delayed and the reason is because of John Brian Murie refusing to submit to the Devil's offering of ''His Seat,and His Authority''.

The main character of End Times prophecies is on STRIKE
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