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Old 10-02-2016, 04:51 PM   #41
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Don't worry, they're all to busy. HRH is always busy doing selfies with Camilla and George and putting them on fb.
Funniest thing ever. LOok at that baldie William over by the radiator. Fucking hell, that's funny. He doesn't appear to have any body to take up any room.

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Old 10-02-2016, 04:55 PM   #42
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Free speech is not allowed in this country (the UK) - despite the assertion that it is, just try standing on the corner of Oxford Street and insulting Muslims / Jews and inciting hatred or hate speech and see just how much free speech is allowed.

Free speech is ok so long as you don't use it to offend or attack others.


There used to be a blonde haired man preaching some or other form of christianity at Oxford Circus. People would be scurrying past him to get to the tube, and he'd be there with his loudspeaker shouting about god, or something. Maybe he was a rapper. I have no idea. His loudspeaker never worked very well, as I never could hear him very well.

haha, he has a page on wiki:

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Old 10-02-2016, 05:36 PM   #43
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But it is internet . So what , I can say that I do not agree with migrants who are going to invade Europe, so they going to arrest me or what, because I do not want them to Islamize my country ?
Thats hardly ground for arrest though is it?
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Old 10-02-2016, 05:40 PM   #44
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Thats hardly ground for arrest though is it?
what is grounds for arrest depends on what the government decides is grounds for arrest. If they want to make discussing 'conspiracy theories' (ie telling the truth) illegal they can do that. Then if you broke that law they would arrest you under that law

Law is not static...it changes all the time. Governments can come in that can re-write the laws and in a very short space of time you can be living in a totally different society

It's happened countless times throughout history. If history tells us anything it is not to be complacent
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Old 10-02-2016, 06:16 PM   #45
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SO you are from Belgium. How Belgium cope with migrants ? What people think about migrant/Muslim crisis ?
I don't know. The same as everywhere else I guess. Many can see the need to provide help to those that need it but are at the same time afraid on what they are letting themselves in for - or what they are forced to let themselves in for. Some are also cynical in that they can see the contradiction in on the one hand politicians talking about the problems caused by refugees and on the other hand implementing or supporting policies that cause people to flee their home countries. Opinion is probably also dived in terms of the Flemish speaking part of the country vs the French speaking part of the country. The Flemish speaking part is more conservative and votes for the right - many even for the extreme right. The French speaking part is socialist and traditionally votes for the left.
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what is grounds for arrest depends on what the government decides is grounds for arrest. If they want to make discussing 'conspiracy theories' (ie telling the truth) illegal they can do that. Then if you broke that law they would arrest you under that law

Law is not static...it changes all the time. Governments can come in that can re-write the laws and in a very short space of time you can be living in a totally different society

It's happened countless times throughout history. If history tells us anything it is not to be complacent
I think that it depends on whether the powers that be think that those "theories" cause harm to them or the realisation of their agenda. A mate of mine one time asked me, "If that Icke guy is telling the truth, why don't they take him out?" My answer was, "Well, when he started out everyone considered him an idiot. There's no reason to take someone out that everyone considers a clown. But now he has many people that DO believe him and take him seriously and many others that you can put in the category of the doubters. If they take him out now, those doubters will become believers."

And that's an assessment that the powers that be always are making - What have we got to lose? What have we got to gain? Whatever freedom of expression people have depends on the answer to those two questions.
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Old 10-02-2016, 07:02 PM   #47
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'Slander' is the part of the 'law' which covers this.
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I think that it depends on whether the powers that be think that those "theories" cause harm to them or the realisation of their agenda. A mate of mine one time asked me, "If that Icke guy is telling the truth, why don't they take him out?" My answer was, "Well, when he started out everyone considered him an idiot. There's no reason to take someone out that everyone considers a clown. But now he has many people that DO believe him and take him seriously and many others that you can put in the category of the doubters. If they take him out now, those doubters will become believers."

And that's an assessment that the powers that be always are making - What have we got to lose? What have we got to gain? Whatever freedom of expression people have depends on the answer to those two questions.
if a person gains too much traction they have historically been taken out
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if a person gains too much traction they have historically been taken out
Are you saying that Icke has no traction then?
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what is grounds for arrest depends on what the government decides is grounds for arrest. If they want to make discussing 'conspiracy theories' (ie telling the truth) illegal they can do that. Then if you broke that law they would arrest you under that law

Law is not static...it changes all the time. Governments can come in that can re-write the laws and in a very short space of time you can be living in a totally different society

It's happened countless times throughout history. If history tells us anything it is not to be complacent
But not all conspiracy theories are not true are they? if they were then why would people fight like hell with opposing theories?
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Are you saying that Icke has no traction then?
no he has gone from zero to hero and most definately is gaining traction as he's about to do a world tour; he has a global following

But the information Icke has put out there is out there now so killing him wouldn't serve much purpose. The cat is out of the bag

If they killed him it would only publicise his work even more and also it would lend credibility to it because it would look very suspicious to people. So their approach is to try and marginalise him and ridicule him

If they wanted to contain the information Icke has put out there they would have to murder the millions of people around the world who all have that information in their heads now
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no he has gone from zero to hero and most definately is gaining traction as he's about to do a world tour; he has a global following

But the information Icke has put out there is out there now so killing him wouldn't serve much purpose. The cat is out of the bag

If they killed him it would only publicise his work even more and also it would lend credibility to it because it would look very suspicious to people. So their approach is to try and marginalise him and ridicule him

If they wanted to contain the information Icke has put out there they would have to murder the millions of people around the world who all have that information in their heads now
So they couldnt make it look like natural causes?

For all of the information out there what has become of it? I'm all for throwing off shackles but I see a lot of people with a lot of ideas and the world is basically the same, if not getting worse!
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But not all conspiracy theories are not true are they? if they were then why would people fight like hell with opposing theories?
not all theories are correct no because the powers that shouldn't be deliberately put false and missleading information out there

The reason people would fight like hell with opposing theories is because they are protecting what they believe to be their interests

For example they might be paid to spread missinfo or they seek to disrupt what people are saying online because they actually WANT a new world order collectivist society (maybe they don't realise what that would actually involve ie enslavement)
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So they couldnt make it look like natural causes?

For all of the information out there what has become of it? I'm all for throwing off shackles but I see a lot of people with a lot of ideas and the world is basically the same, if not getting worse!
the worse it gets the more people wake up

It may very well be the case that it needs to get worse before it can get better because many people do not feel motivated to act until they are feeling the pressure themselves
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not all theories are correct no because the powers that shouldn't be deliberately put false and missleading information out there

The reason people would fight like hell with opposing theories is because they are protecting what they believe to be their interests

For example they might be paid to spread missinfo or they seek to disrupt what people are saying online because they actually WANT a new world order collectivist society (maybe they don't realise what that would actually involve ie enslavement)
lol, so they fight because they are paid to spread misinformation rather than having different ideas? I am in total disagreement with you on that.

I suppose the only way around it is to have one theory that cannot be questioned and enough evidence to quash any counter theories. I would like to see such.
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the worse it gets the more people wake up

It may very well be the case that it needs to get worse before it can get better because many people do not feel motivated to act until they are feeling the pressure themselves
I think people might react out of anger and frustration rather than an awakening. Once the anger has been expended people then try and go back to normal.
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I don't know. The same as everywhere else I guess. Many can see the need to provide help to those that need it but are at the same time afraid on what they are letting themselves in for - or what they are forced to let themselves in for. Some are also cynical in that they can see the contradiction in on the one hand politicians talking about the problems caused by refugees and on the other hand implementing or supporting policies that cause people to flee their home countries. Opinion is probably also dived in terms of the Flemish speaking part of the country vs the French speaking part of the country. The Flemish speaking part is more conservative and votes for the right - many even for the extreme right. The French speaking part is socialist and traditionally votes for the left.
OK thanks for response. I was in Belgium few years ago , and I can tell there are a lot of Muslims there. I was only in Brussels so that's how I saw it. Thanks for pointing out about Flemish and French. Is still alive an idea about independent state of Flanders ?
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