Go Back   David Icke's Official Forums > Main Forums > New World Order / Global Government

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-04-2011, 03:51 AM   #2621
observer333
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: over the rainbow
Posts: 2,546
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ftil View Post
I wouldn’t want to use a word “defective”. It put those who are different into the box.
How many famous composers, writers, or scientists were labeled having some mental problems? I see it as a sign of dysfunctional thinking that fosters conformism and psychiatry is used to justify and validate those beliefs. We may look at this problem from a different angle, seeing it a positive aspect rather than as a defective one. Secondly, I would love to see all people who can reach their primal creativity. To simplify, I may say that many people don’t have connections between the right and the left brain. As a result, they not only go through life fragmented but also they can only reach secondary creativity.
Yes, embrace the gift and don't forget to share it because you've got to give it so as to keep it.

__________________
THE TRUTH NEEDS NO DEFENSE, BUT FALSE-HOODS WHICH VEIL THE TRUTH MUST BE CHALLENGED UNTIL THEY NO LONGER REMAIN.
To Free our Minds, we must think outside of the box. Multiple choice thinking is how they keep us blind, and in chains.
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it" ~ Albert Einstein
observer333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 04:02 AM   #2622
wounded dragon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: individualist into vigilance
Posts: 2,213
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by observer333 View Post
This has nothing to do with it. People who stand out from a group in an anarchist system will not be appointed rulers. They may come in handy at times. Having initiative and being willing to step in when others are holding back doesn't mean they should be crowned or made an official ruler and given priveledges that others are not entitled to.

Most people won't get up on a dancefloor until others are up there, whereas some like myself don't give a shit and will be the first up there if I feel like dancing. My point is we are all different but it doesnt mean we should be appointed different rights and access to resources, etc, etc, etc. etc.

We are a diverse bunch because the natural order requires such diversity.

This diversity will ensure that Anarchy can work. Humanity should just stop messing with the natural order which has been called chaos by some.

IMHO what is commonly called order is chaos and what is commonly called chaos is flowing with the natural order.

We simply need to stop trying to usurp the natural order of things.
applauds
wounded dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 04:06 AM   #2623
wounded dragon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: individualist into vigilance
Posts: 2,213
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by observer333 View Post
I agree. It is changing.

And people don't even need to fully comprehend the conspiracies and the extent of the problems to be able to focus upon solutions which are enhancing this shift.

ie. education as I have said previously. People entering Education with the soul desire of making a difference in the lives of our future generations.

There is revolution occurring, at least in Australia on this front which is focused purely upon enhancing and nurturing our cognitive development and executive functions. These are not sheep, but pioneers.

Yes, Bobby was right, the times are a-changing

When I went to school, we were not encouraged to question everything and think outside of the box. Divergent thinking was not encouraged at all.

We were considered sponges without any capacities to think for ourselves, a blank slate for teachers to write what they had been told to write upon our slates.

Some Favorite Quotes in Education today ( bet the PTB's don't like it)

"Feed a man a fish and feed him for a day
but teach a man how to fish and feed him for life"

'We need a metamorphosis of education - from the cocoon a butterfly should emerge. Improvement does not give us a butterfly only a faster caterpillar.'

'If we always do what we've always done, we will get what we've always got.' Adam Urbanski

'Do not go where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and leave a trail'.

'We need to be the authors of our own life.' Peter Senge

'The East contemplated the forest the West counted the trees…the mind that knows that trees and the forest is a new mind.' Marilyn Ferguson

'The first people had the questions, and they were free. The second people had answers, and they became enslaved.' Wind Eagle Modern Indian Medicine Woman

'I imagine a school system that recognizes learning is natural, that a love of learning is normal, and that real learning is passionate learning. A school curriculum that values questions above answers…creativity above fact regurgitation…individuality above conformity.. and excellence above standardized performance….. And we must reject all notions of 'reform' that serve up more of the same: more testing, more 'standards', more uniformity, more conformity, more bureaucracy. Tom Peters

'Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.' Buddha

I think Pink Floyd did the world a great favour back in the early 80's by bringing us "Another Brick in the Wall". It was mainstream.

Yep, time for an encore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Py5aPLG348
Die Atwoord
Enter The Ninja



Pink Floyd
Brain Damage / Eclipse:" A Piece For Assorted Lunatics."


Last edited by wounded dragon; 06-04-2011 at 04:11 AM. Reason: added another link
wounded dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 04:13 AM   #2624
ftil
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,158
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Observer333 wrote:

Yes, embrace the gift and don't forget to share it because you've got to give it so as to keep it.
Yes, embrace the gift and throw to the garbage all beliefs that thwart growth, individuality, and creativity. Sharing our creativity is another way we express love. Hey, we have a plan, haven't we?
__________________
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

Albert Einstein
ftil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 04:24 AM   #2625
wounded dragon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: individualist into vigilance
Posts: 2,213
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Default

DJ Dione
Freak Show


wounded dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 04:27 AM   #2626
wounded dragon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: individualist into vigilance
Posts: 2,213
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by ftil View Post
Yes, embrace the gift and throw to the garbage all beliefs that thwart growth, individuality, and creativity. Sharing our creativity is another way we express love. Hey, we have a plan, haven't we?
ask the divine goddess who loves you the most to help guide you on your journey, pray it to the cosmos or put your thoughts into a glass of water before you drink it (the divine goddess who loves you the most in water)

wounded dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 04:30 AM   #2627
ftil
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,158
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Default

[
Quote:
B]Observer333[/B] wrote:

I imagine a school system that recognizes learning is natural, that a love of learning is normal, and that real learning is passionate learning. A school curriculum that values questions above answers…creativity above fact regurgitation…individuality above conformity.. and excellence above standardized performance….. And we must reject all notions of 'reform' that serve up more of the same: more testing, more 'standards', more uniformity, more conformity, more bureaucracy. Tom Peters
Yes! I want to dance with joy reading those words.

Let's, dance!


__________________
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

Albert Einstein
ftil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 04:40 AM   #2628
observer333
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: over the rainbow
Posts: 2,546
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ftil View Post
Yes, embrace the gift and throw to the garbage all beliefs that thwart growth, individuality, and creativity. Sharing our creativity is another way we express love. Hey, we have a plan, haven't we?
I like it
__________________
THE TRUTH NEEDS NO DEFENSE, BUT FALSE-HOODS WHICH VEIL THE TRUTH MUST BE CHALLENGED UNTIL THEY NO LONGER REMAIN.
To Free our Minds, we must think outside of the box. Multiple choice thinking is how they keep us blind, and in chains.
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it" ~ Albert Einstein
observer333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 04:47 AM   #2629
wounded dragon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: individualist into vigilance
Posts: 2,213
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by ftil View Post
Hey, you have read my mind. After reading your tread I thought about freedom, particularly, the freedom from mind control and mind slavery. If we can achieve that, everything will follow. I am sick and tired of lies, deceptions, and secrecy.
DJ Dione
Bad Day


wounded dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 04:54 AM   #2630
ftil
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,158
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wounded dragon View Post

Wounded dragon, we need some sunshine after don't f*ck with me

__________________
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

Albert Einstein
ftil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 05:06 AM   #2631
observer333
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: over the rainbow
Posts: 2,546
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wounded dragon View Post
Pink Floyd
Brain Damage / Eclipse:" A Piece For Assorted Lunatics."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gJVIhQIxYI
Awesome.. thanks for posting this link.

And synchronistically, Syd Barret from Pink Floyd is someone confirmed with Synesthesia, as was mentioned earlier.

I love synchronicity, its like being in the flow of life.

I personally think that true anarchy refers to such a state, living in the natural flow, the natural order. Serendipity hasn't it also been called? The Indigenous peoples of Australia called it 'singing the land'. .

The lyrics of this song are amazing and conspiracy theorists can have a field day with the second part, Eclipse.



Quote:
BRAIN DAMAGE

The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
got to keep the loonies on the path

The lunatic is in the hall
the lunatics are in the hall
the paper holds their folded faces to the floor
and every day the paper boy brings more

And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
and if there is no room upon the hill
and if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
The lunatic is in my head
The lunatic is in my head
you raise the blade, you make the change
you rearrange me ' till I'm sane
you lock the door
and throw away the key
there's someone in my head but it's not me

And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
you shout and no one seems to hear
and if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon

ECLIPSE

All that you touch and all that you see
all that you taste, all you feel
and all that you love and all that you hate
all you distrust, all you save
and all that you give and all that you deal
and all that you buy, beg, borrow or steal
and all you create and all you destroy
and all that you do and all that you say
and all that you eat and everyone you meet
and all that you slight and everyone you fight
and all that is now and all that is gone
and all that's to come and everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon
~~~~~ Thought to share this too on the Australian Indigenous Peoples songlines. Fascinating stuff, sounds very synesthesiatic to me.

Quote:
SONGLINES - SINGING THE LAND

My reason for coming to Australia was to try to learn for myself, and not from other men's books, what a Songline was – and how it worked. Obviously, I was not going to get to the heart of the matter, nor would I want to. I had asked a friend in Adelaide if she knew of an expert...

The 'expert', located in central Australia, began by explaining the importance of the Ancestors and how each] while travelling through the country, was thought to have scattered a trail of words and musical notes along the line of his footprints, and how these Dreaming-tracks layover the land...

In theory, at least, the whole of Australia could be read as a musical score. There was hardly a rock or creek in the country that could not or had not been sung. One should perhaps visualize the Songlines as a spaghetti of Iliads and Odysseys, writhing this way and that, in which every 'episode' was readable in terms of geology.

'By episode', I asked, 'you mean "sacred site'?'
'I do.' ...
'And the distance between two such sites can be measured as a stretch of song?'...

By singing the world into existence, he said, the Ancestors had been poets in the original sense of poesis, meaning 'creation'. No Aboriginal could conceive that the created world was in any way imperfect. His religious life had a single aim: to keep the land the way it was and should be. The man who went 'Walkabout' was making a ritual journey. He trod in the footprints of his Ancestor. He sang the Ancestor's stanzas without changing a word or note – and so recreated the Creation.

'Sometimes, we'll come to a ridge of sandhills, and suddenly they'll all start singing. "What are you mob singing?" I'll ask, and they'll say, "Singing up the country, boss. Makes the country come up quicker.'"
... just as, in the Dreamtime, the country had not existed until the Ancestors sang it.
'So the land', I said, 'must first exist as a concept in the mind? Then it must be sung? Only then can it be said to exist?'
'True.'
'In Other words, "to exist" is "to be perceived"?'
'Yes.'

'Sounds suspiciously like Bishop Berkeley's Refutation of Matter.'
'Or Pure Mind Buddhism. . . which also sees the world as an illusion.'

Bruce Chatwin, The Songlines, Picador, Pan Books, London, 1988, pp. 14, 15, 16-17
__________________
THE TRUTH NEEDS NO DEFENSE, BUT FALSE-HOODS WHICH VEIL THE TRUTH MUST BE CHALLENGED UNTIL THEY NO LONGER REMAIN.
To Free our Minds, we must think outside of the box. Multiple choice thinking is how they keep us blind, and in chains.
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it" ~ Albert Einstein

Last edited by observer333; 06-04-2011 at 05:07 AM.
observer333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 07:08 AM   #2632
fishonwheels
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,201
Likes: 12 (12 Posts)
Default

If you think about it many people already practice the principle of anarchy in their daily lives. Trades people especially when they need to fix up a house or a vehicle they trade trades with their tradesmen buddies instead of always going to big contractors. Craigslist always has postings for that sort of things.

Carpooling vs all the one person cars i see all around me on the road.

When you think about the freemasons isn't that what they do for each other? And in principle everyone of them's equal at the third degree. Some of them also merge in telepathic hives; guess that makes coordination easier? They're like anarchists that dabble in the occult and rub shoulders with power brokers.

I'd say in a governed by state society practicing anarchists actually have an advantage over frightened little individuals who are too busy chopping down each other to protect their turf, to get to the top, or for favors from big shots or have too much pride to accept help from their neighbors.

One possible advantage an anarchistic society might have would be flexibility over a clumsy bureaucratic state apparatus where many staff regularly pilfer from the budget in useless conferences, useless luxury items or what not. When there's nothing to do people just look busy, watch the clock and wait for retirement and pensions. You don't lay these people off during downtimes otherwise you have to rehire them all come tax season or something like that. Whereas for a pure anarchy to work when something no longer serves a function it dissolves and the man power goes into something else. Temporary committee of overseers working together with expert advisors and when the project is done they move on.

This brings us to another point. Are "workers rights" necessarily guaranteed in an anarchy? Unions protect workers from owners, but in an anarchistic society seniority probably won't mean shit. When you stop being productive, you stop trading benefits with others.

So in a large anarchy what happens to the seniors, the handicaps, or the sick? Socialism actually requires the existence of a state that collects taxes and maintains assistance programs.

In a pure anarchy, would there even be worker's compensation (injuries)? If you get injured doing a job and have no friends to get you through what happens? Perhaps not being weighed down by "useless eaters" is better?

This is why i think right now anarchy, for now, works best on a smaller scale, say in a small town where everyone's "family," or in a factory where they share a common enemy. In any big city where no one gives a fuck about another it will be a case of survival of the fittest/most popular.

I don't think violent revolution will be the answer as it'll just be a small percentage of revolutionaries and if they succeed they'll have to impose their vision on the unwilling and confused majority (who will be like fish out of water without daddy) with an iron fist and it'll be communist revolutions all over again and we all know how that went, further state control.

So before large scale harmony is realized here in the first world that have it all, natural resources, man power, and infrastructure people will just have to start living it and that will make the carrot and the stick obsolete when big money and big guns can no longer manipulate them since there are so many turning to each other.

I think if people want to rally together and demand reforms one place to start is land ownership. Here in the city a house costs one million. It'll take a life time to pay off that mortgage for some people. Imagine submitting a request to a property committee for a plot of land and if you know how you can build your own home in a few months. Of course if existing property owners can no longer sell their homes for money they paid they'd be really pissed. They'd have to be open to the idea of trading their home for another one or whatever.

Anyways, all hypothetical ramblings. I'll stop here for now.
fishonwheels is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 08:06 AM   #2633
observer333
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: over the rainbow
Posts: 2,546
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fishonwheels View Post
If you think about it many people already practice the principle of anarchy in their daily lives. Trades people especially when they need to fix up a house or a vehicle they trade trades with their tradesmen buddies instead of always going to big contractors. Craigslist always has postings for that sort of things.

Carpooling vs all the one person cars i see all around me on the road.

When you think about the freemasons isn't that what they do for each other? And in principle everyone of them's equal at the third degree. Some of them also merge in telepathic hives; guess that makes coordination easier? They're like anarchists that dabble in the occult and rub shoulders with power brokers.

I'd say in a governed by state society practicing anarchists actually have an advantage over frightened little individuals who are too busy chopping down each other to protect their turf, to get to the top, or for favors from big shots or have too much pride to accept help from their neighbors.

One possible advantage an anarchistic society might have would be flexibility over a clumsy bureaucratic state apparatus where many staff regularly pilfer from the budget in useless conferences, useless luxury items or what not. When there's nothing to do people just look busy, watch the clock and wait for retirement and pensions. You don't lay these people off during downtimes otherwise you have to rehire them all come tax season or something like that. Whereas for a pure anarchy to work when something no longer serves a function it dissolves and the man power goes into something else. Temporary committee of overseers working together with expert advisors and when the project is done they move on.

This brings us to another point. Are "workers rights" necessarily guaranteed in an anarchy? Unions protect workers from owners, but in an anarchistic society seniority probably won't mean shit. When you stop being productive, you stop trading benefits with others.

So in a large anarchy what happens to the seniors, the handicaps, or the sick? Socialism actually requires the existence of a state that collects taxes and maintains assistance programs.

In a pure anarchy, would there even be worker's compensation (injuries)? If you get injured doing a job and have no friends to get you through what happens? Perhaps not being weighed down by "useless eaters" is better?


This is why i think right now anarchy, for now, works best on a smaller scale, say in a small town where everyone's "family," or in a factory where they share a common enemy. In any big city where no one gives a fuck about another it will be a case of survival of the fittest/most popular.

I don't think violent revolution will be the answer as it'll just be a small percentage of revolutionaries and if they succeed they'll have to impose their vision on the unwilling and confused majority (who will be like fish out of water without daddy) with an iron fist and it'll be communist revolutions all over again and we all know how that went, further state control.

So before large scale harmony is realized here in the first world that have it all, natural resources, man power, and infrastructure people will just have to start living it and that will make the carrot and the stick obsolete when big money and big guns can no longer manipulate them since there are so many turning to each other.

I think if people want to rally together and demand reforms one place to start is land ownership. Here in the city a house costs one million. It'll take a life time to pay off that mortgage for some people. Imagine submitting a request to a property committee for a plot of land and if you know how you can build your own home in a few months. Of course if existing property owners can no longer sell their homes for money they paid they'd be really pissed. They'd have to be open to the idea of trading their home for another one or whatever.

Anyways, all hypothetical ramblings. I'll stop here for now.
Some interesting Ramblings, thanks for sharing.

I am in agreement with your points regarding anarchy now within the society we now live. Community Spirit, people communicating and working together, pooling and all of that. We can only do what we can do the best we are able. Freedom from mental slavery however I think should take the highest priority. We need to question absolutely everything and learn to think outside of the box. Stereotypes, orthodoxy, social norms, logic, tradition and all of that kind of shit are prisons for our minds which contain and delineate our thinking.

In regards to workers rights, I myself envision pooling in the sense of co-ops and guilds, that kind of thing. I think they can take care of themselves and will get better at it with time and experience.

In regards to the aged and the invalid, I believe it is the pressure of our society that leaves them neglected and responsibilities for their care handed over to the state or other institutions. I imagine this has a lot to do with the fact that our time is so occupied with a 40 hour week. Where is there time to take care of the aged when most people are too busy providing, and are barely able to take care of themselves and their nuclear families?

In the most purest and unadulterated anarchy like cultures, you find that these same people are often well respected elders and members of society. And when they get old and frail, caring for them is almost considered an honour and a priveledge.

We might easily say that this kind of culture would not work in larger populations and yet I cannot see why it could not. Besides if it were not for the bribes (paychecks) at the end of the week, I believe many would opt to leave the cities and hence cities would become far less crowded, providing better living conditions for those who love the city life.

I agree that violent revolutions are not the answer, the thought just brings Orwell visions to mind be it Animal Farm or 1984. This is also why I disagree with socialism and certain distortions of anarchy. Not because a book told me so but because I have come to the same conclusions myself through reviewing history and looking at the pros and cons. I believe either action would simply be time repeating itself and it would be groundhog day all over again. Far too easily infiltrated and corrupted and beside the whole concept of a pyramidical structure or centralised control is a big open-ended invitation saying, control us and do for us what we cannot do ourselves.

Classes and hierarchies must go, and any promises of bringing egalitarian rights and freedom made by one or a group which claims they will lead us to such a victory should be seriously questioned. This is why I believe anarchy is the way forward from such a point, enacted by the people and for the people with no middle man or agency inbetween. Because time and time again have people left such responsibilities in the care of a minority and ended up the rabble at the bottom of the pyramid while only the top tiers experienced any significant shift.

We have been used too many times to fight the wars of others. Human beings are not pawns or tin soldiers for those with nothing better to do than play silly games with peoples lives and mess with their evolution. We need the time and space to grow up, but even more do those who like to live up top need to grow up and stop behaving like little boys with their toys.

LOL, thats what I think.
__________________
THE TRUTH NEEDS NO DEFENSE, BUT FALSE-HOODS WHICH VEIL THE TRUTH MUST BE CHALLENGED UNTIL THEY NO LONGER REMAIN.
To Free our Minds, we must think outside of the box. Multiple choice thinking is how they keep us blind, and in chains.
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it" ~ Albert Einstein

Last edited by observer333; 06-04-2011 at 08:25 AM.
observer333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 11:01 AM   #2634
fishonwheels
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,201
Likes: 12 (12 Posts)
Default

Very well, I can certainly see workers taking care of injured among them, sort of as premium free insurance in case they themselves get injured.

Ya if society slowly evolves towards "anarchy" it could catch on since most people are kinda like products of their environment anyways. At least they simply try to make the best of the societal structure they live in, be it capitalistic, fascist, communist and I can certainly see the majority born within an anarchy accepting it as normal way of life since they don't know anything else. So the good news for anarchists is that even though some would not be naturally inclined towards anarchy if they take it as "just life" then they'll play along.

I think hierarchical drives are part of our nature though. You find it in the animal kingdom and their behaviors are a subset of ours. India had the caste system and that wasn't based on economic class though the untouchables were destitute.

We see hierarchical drives play out in capitalism, politics, group relations, etc...Having a more fair and equal society would go towards easing that survival pressure that can exacerbate hierarchical drives but it's doubtful they will go away completely. I don't even know if that will necessarily be good for the species.

In my pre-conditions for anarchy post I said something about "transcending hierarchical aspirations." What I mean by that specifically isn't eradicating it from our biology, but playing it out in a different way that's actually good for the whole. Like each occupation having an apprentice system and those who want to be big time and have respect and power becoming the best at what they do.

So in other words you're trying to eliminate big money, political, and social power that just go unchecked, and instead have people rising up in prestige within their own occupational grouping. Each big swinging dick though an icon in his own domain still rely on others in own group and other occupations. So using respect, status, and idolatry as rewards rather than money, obedience of subordinates, etc.

anyways. I think there are bigger forces out there and within than big money, big politics, and big socials. After all, all they have to entice and beat us with are our own desires and fears. For example if most people lose the fear of death and desire for physical safety the state already lost most of its power. Whether it's beneficial to lose those instincts... Other forces include desire for sex, knowledge, fear of ridicule, exclusion, etc etc.

If the anarchists can ride these forces like waves and drive them like cars...

anyways.

Last edited by fishonwheels; 06-04-2011 at 11:08 AM.
fishonwheels is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 04:15 PM   #2635
ftil
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,158
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Observer333 wrote:

I am in agreement with your points regarding anarchy now within the society we now live. Community Spirit, people communicating and working together, pooling and all of that. We can only do what we can do the best we are able. Freedom from mental slavery however I think should take the highest priority. We need to question absolutely everything and learn to think outside of the box. Stereotypes, orthodoxy, social norms, logic, tradition and all of that kind of shit are prisons for our minds which contain and delineate our thinking.
I am in a total agreement with you. When we start questioning every single belief we hold as truth, we release tons of feelings and emotions that blocked our creativity. We wouldn’t need spend our energy to control feelings and emotions but fully express who we are.
__________________
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

Albert Einstein
ftil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 09:33 PM   #2636
fishonwheels
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,201
Likes: 12 (12 Posts)
Default

oh ya, observer, you mentioned freeing your mind.

A state of anarchy is especially helpful in the whole "truth movement," by definition the thing that ties all the disparate viewpoints and theories together is the quest for some truth. Self evidently any guru/researcher can be misinformed and mislead. It's too easy.

So much about reality can be gleaned from mundane day to day lives. In days past major scientific discoveries were made without money and institutionalized support. If what we exist in isn't so much an "illusory reality" per se but just a subset of a much greater reality deliberately obscured from us, then discovering what lies beyond the play pen just may change us deeply enough for us to make a different world, as "living in the real world" will acquire a whole new meaning then.

Have a good day/night.
fishonwheels is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 09:44 PM   #2637
john devine
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Earth
Posts: 2,869
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default this thread.....

.....appears to be more popular than the "Word Association Game" thread.

if it continues at it's current rate it will soon be overtaking its post count.

john devine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2011, 10:41 PM   #2638
ftil
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,158
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Default

Quote:
john devine wrote:

this tread.....appears to be more popular than the "Word Association Game" thread.

if it continues at it's current rate it will soon be overtaking its post count.
And it is a good sign, isn't? People want change and freedom.





Redemption Song

Old pirates, yes, they rob I,
Sold I to the merchant ships.
Minutes after they took I,
From the bottomless pit.
But my hand was made strong,
By the hand of the All Mighty.
We forward in this generation,
Triumphantly.

Won't you help to sing
These songs of freedom ?
'Cause all I ever had,
Redemption songs,
Redemption songs.

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery,
None but ourselves can free our minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the time.

How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look?
Some say it's just a part of it,
We've got to fullfil the book.

So won't you help to sing
These songs of freedom?
'Cause all I ever had,
Redemption songs,
Redemption songs,
Redemption songs.
-
/Guitar break/
-
Old pirates, yes, they rob I,
Sold I to the merchant ships.
Minutes after they took I,
From the bottomless pit.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look?
Yes, some say it's just a part of it,
We've got to fullfil the book.
So won't you help to sing
These songs of freedom?
'Cause all I ever had,
Redemption songs.
All I ever had,
Redemption songs.
These songs of freedom,
Songs of freedom.
__________________
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

Albert Einstein
ftil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2011, 03:09 AM   #2639
observer333
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: over the rainbow
Posts: 2,546
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fishonwheels View Post
Very well, I can certainly see workers taking care of injured among them, sort of as premium free insurance in case they themselves get injured.

Ya if society slowly evolves towards "anarchy" it could catch on since most people are kinda like products of their environment anyways. At least they simply try to make the best of the societal structure they live in, be it capitalistic, fascist, communist and I can certainly see the majority born within an anarchy accepting it as normal way of life since they don't know anything else. So the good news for anarchists is that even though some would not be naturally inclined towards anarchy if they take it as "just life" then they'll play along.

I think hierarchical drives are part of our nature though. You find it in the animal kingdom and their behaviors are a subset of ours. India had the caste system and that wasn't based on economic class though the untouchables were destitute.

We see hierarchical drives play out in capitalism, politics, group relations, etc...Having a more fair and equal society would go towards easing that survival pressure that can exacerbate hierarchical drives but it's doubtful they will go away completely. I don't even know if that will necessarily be good for the species.

In my pre-conditions for anarchy post I said something about "transcending hierarchical aspirations." What I mean by that specifically isn't eradicating it from our biology, but playing it out in a different way that's actually good for the whole. Like each occupation having an apprentice system and those who want to be big time and have respect and power becoming the best at what they do.


So in other words you're trying to eliminate big money, political, and social power that just go unchecked, and instead have people rising up in prestige within their own occupational grouping. Each big swinging dick though an icon in his own domain still rely on others in own group and other occupations. So using respect, status, and idolatry as rewards rather than money, obedience of subordinates, etc.

anyways. I think there are bigger forces out there and within than big money, big politics, and big socials. After all, all they have to entice and beat us with are our own desires and fears. For example if most people lose the fear of death and desire for physical safety the state already lost most of its power. Whether it's beneficial to lose those instincts... Other forces include desire for sex, knowledge, fear of ridicule, exclusion, etc etc.

If the anarchists can ride these forces like waves and drive them like cars...

anyways.
Yes, its a good point you make regarding hierarchical drives that are intrinsic in nature, both in humans and in animals. And there are many practical reasons why such phenomena will continue to exist.

From another point of view of this phenomona however, it could be seen that nature provides us with all the diversity we need to thrive and grow. And that within this great diversity of various skills and cognitive styles we also find both active and receptive qualities, such as teach and learn, model and emulate, give and receive, talk and listen, lead and follow, nurture and be nurtured, etc. etc. All are interchangeable. This to me is just simply part of the natural ebb and flow of life, and therefore natural.

What is not natural however is the way this natural flow has been distorted, twisted, divided and captured in such a way as to usurp the natural order. How is this done? Through the creation of mental constructs which pigeon hole certain phenomona and super-impose illusory contexts which redefine and distort what they imply. Then we use thes now pigeon-holed distorted mental representations/constructs to play monopoly instead of allowing them uninterrupted and interchangeable flow within the whole of humanity.

I too believe there are bigger forces at play and that is why we must come to understand how they have played us, if we are to remove ourselves from the game play. They have played upon our naivety, and natural tendencies and twisted then and distorted them to such a degree merely to learn about how they can best manipulate us and keep us in their power. Its all mind games and we are just a grand experiement. If we are to evolve as we should, we must change the rules of the game and become the authors of our own destiny.

As my sig states: "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it". Thanks Albert. He is a prime example of one who managed to rise above the artificial constructs so that he could think outside of the box we have been conditioned to think within.

P.S. I have decided to drop the label ANARCHIST, because it too is just one 'pigeon-holing' of our natural state. Most of what I have spoken about in this thread could be labelled anarchy, because it speaks of natural order in contrast to artificially constructed order. But, I believe this applies to the entire universe, and not just to a select few who would call themselves anarchists.
__________________
THE TRUTH NEEDS NO DEFENSE, BUT FALSE-HOODS WHICH VEIL THE TRUTH MUST BE CHALLENGED UNTIL THEY NO LONGER REMAIN.
To Free our Minds, we must think outside of the box. Multiple choice thinking is how they keep us blind, and in chains.
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it" ~ Albert Einstein
observer333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2011, 03:34 AM   #2640
observer333
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: over the rainbow
Posts: 2,546
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by john devine View Post
.....appears to be more popular than the "Word Association Game" thread.

if it continues at it's current rate it will soon be overtaking its post count.



Crazy isn't it how people think about songs like this when they think about concepts such as 'anarchy'. Oh, the irony! Yep the label has been dragged through the mud and I think attempts to distort its meaning have succeeded. I think we should all just surrender to this fact and maybe drop the name and use another.

This song for starters implies:

Anarchists laugh maniacally like the evil stereotypes in Entertainment Media
Anarchists are clueless
Anarchist = Antichrist
Anarchist = Conqueror
Anarchist = Destroyer
Anarchist = Dangerous, will kill passers by
Anarchists will step all over anyone else to get what they want.
Anarchists use and manipulate
Anarchists are Nationalists
Anarchists want to get pissed and destroy

OH THE IRONY!!!

The Sex Pistols did Anarchists the world over no favors in getting their message across by making out it meant the opposite of what it does.
__________________
THE TRUTH NEEDS NO DEFENSE, BUT FALSE-HOODS WHICH VEIL THE TRUTH MUST BE CHALLENGED UNTIL THEY NO LONGER REMAIN.
To Free our Minds, we must think outside of the box. Multiple choice thinking is how they keep us blind, and in chains.
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it" ~ Albert Einstein
observer333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:37 PM.


Shoutbox provided by vBShout (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.