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Old 26-11-2017, 07:33 PM   #21
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In my life the idea of ceasing to exist in any way would have been a great release
I like that anology, A Great Release, but leaving a cabable following to carry on thereafter.
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Old 26-11-2017, 08:55 PM   #22
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I think, death to many people mistakenly fear the unkown, when it's really/probably the fear of losing what we do know
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Old 26-11-2017, 09:31 PM   #23
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Do not worry about what will happen when you die.

Worrying will not change what will happen, but it will turn your life into a hell.

What will come will come, make the most of the things you can till that time
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Old 26-11-2017, 09:50 PM   #24
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So this is it (just blackness after death)??
I don't believe so. If you are a spark/soul then you are essentially an eternal limitless being and there is no such thing as 'death', only transformation (restoration) or recycling again in the death trap that passes for what we like to call life.

Those who do not have a divine spark/soul will at death, have their energy returned to it's source, but they do not retain individual consciousness whereas divine sparks/souls do.

Everything is upside and back to front remember, so this life is actually a living death as we are born to die over and over again, yet we are told this is living.

All we have to do is to truly see through the illusion and then focus our intent on escaping the trap at death and returning to limitlessness while trying to remain calm, kind and creative during the rest of your natural lifespan.

Also good to practice focus now so that you can easily direct your soul/spark away from the reincarnation trap at the time of death.

Do you believe we have souls/sparks?
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Old 27-11-2017, 12:39 AM   #25
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You don't remember being born, you don't remember dying.
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You don't remember falling asleep before being born.

You don't remember waking up after dying.
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Old 27-11-2017, 12:47 AM   #27
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Old 27-11-2017, 04:50 AM   #28
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is this an Eric Idle moment ?
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Old 27-11-2017, 02:18 PM   #29
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i'm just

i don't want to be seperated away from my loved ones, i sorta had a passive belief in the afterlife and i was comforted knowing i'd always be .. well around love and that , i'm sorry if this thread is a bit nnf

this is causing me a huge crisis right now , i just ... want to know i'll be with loved ones after my body has died ,

i'm reading all the skeptical viewpoints on such and it just looks so bleak, and its just making everything in my life seem... like there is no point, we only live to die ... to be ceased, seperated... etc

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i'm just

i don't want to be seperated away from my loved ones, i sorta had a passive belief in the afterlife and i was comforted knowing i'd always be .. well around love and that , i'm sorry if this thread is a bit nnf

this is causing me a huge crisis right now , i just ... want to know i'll be with loved ones after my body has died ,

i'm reading all the skeptical viewpoints on such and it just looks so bleak, and its just making everything in my life seem... like there is no point, we only live to die ... to be ceased, seperated... etc
Maybe you should pop into some spiritualist churches and see if they can help you out
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Old 27-11-2017, 02:47 PM   #31
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I think, death to many people mistakenly fear the unkown, when it's really/probably the fear of losing what we do know
Thats why spiritual training emphasises detachment to the material world and the controlling or overcoming of fear through knowledge and mediation.
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Old 27-11-2017, 02:48 PM   #32
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Do not worry about what will happen when you die.

Worrying will not change what will happen, but it will turn your life into a hell.

What will come will come, make the most of the things you can till that time
Indeed. People need to make the best of what they have right now rather than worrying about future possibilities, which are rooted in our present anyway.
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Old 27-11-2017, 07:11 PM   #33
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i'm just

i don't want to be seperated away from my loved ones, i sorta had a passive belief in the afterlife and i was comforted knowing i'd always be .. well around love and that , i'm sorry if this thread is a bit nnf

this is causing me a huge crisis right now , i just ... want to know i'll be with loved ones after my body has died ,

i'm reading all the skeptical viewpoints on such and it just looks so bleak, and its just making everything in my life seem... like there is no point, we only live to die ... to be ceased, seperated... etc

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that the skeptic should feel compelled to consider the afterlife is a great indication that they also await an answer to a question they cannot yet know

to a skeptic I would say : we are energy first and matter second
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Old 30-11-2017, 01:17 PM   #34
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there just seems so much .. back and forward, abeit the skeptics seem to have a really damn solid ground

i dont know who to trust

is it really just a whole case of we do not know? sorry if repetitive, i've been kind of searching obsessively for nearly 2 weeks, to the point i am eating very little and enjoying my life really little (should i try get help?)

i mean, if we are energy and the thermodynamic law says we cant be destroyed then its logical we go on, once our bodies have broken down? i dont know

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Old 02-12-2017, 10:49 PM   #35
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I don't believe so. If you are a spark/soul then you are essentially an eternal limitless being and there is no such thing as 'death', only transformation (restoration) or recycling again in the death trap that passes for what we like to call life.

Those who do not have a divine spark/soul will at death, have their energy returned to it's source, but they do not retain individual consciousness whereas divine sparks/souls do.

Everything is upside and back to front remember, so this life is actually a living death as we are born to die over and over again, yet we are told this is living.

All we have to do is to truly see through the illusion and then focus our intent on escaping the trap at death and returning to limitlessness while trying to remain calm, kind and creative during the rest of your natural lifespan.

Also good to practice focus now so that you can easily direct your soul/spark away from the reincarnation trap at the time of death.

Do you believe we have souls/sparks?
I've read a few of your posts and some of the points you make seemingly have parallels in gnosticism.

Back on topic.

Does life have to be a trap? Can we not create heaven or some semblance of it on earth? I think it's possible if humanity were somehow collectively organised to put our minds and will into bringing it about.

In creating a semblance of heaven on earth, if life is a trap at least it would be one that could be enjoyed by most and made bearable for the rest.

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Old 02-12-2017, 11:41 PM   #36
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there just seems so much .. back and forward, abeit the skeptics seem to have a really damn solid ground

i dont know who to trust

is it really just a whole case of we do not know? sorry if repetitive, i've been kind of searching obsessively for nearly 2 weeks, to the point i am eating very little and enjoying my life really little (should i try get help?)

i mean, if we are energy and the thermodynamic law says we cant be destroyed then its logical we go on, once our bodies have broken down? i dont know
Your problem as I think, is your not living in the real world. You're alive you're not dead, therefore you must be fearing your minds imagination not death. Mind doesnt know what death is like, so it imagines blackness and thus the ensuing fear.
So come back to reality, you're alive not dead
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Old 06-12-2017, 02:28 PM   #37
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sorry if this is bad but i just need to rant

looks like, after having to survive hypochondria.. learning of things that can kill you in the most horrific ways (brain hemmorhage, etc)

i just learn that there is nothing after death, i'm to be locked up into eternal darkness, severed from all of the people i love, destroyed, ... no love or anything, just prisoned

i guess it does say i should enjoy what i got now but, thiss just makes everything so meaningless , i dont know,

i hope i didn't post this in the wrong forum but i needed to let it out ... i don't think i'll ever be the same again... just
Dying and then vanishing forever as though you'd taken a kick-ass anesthetic and blanked out into nothingness would be awesome! If I thought that was what happened I'd be ecstatic and would run amok.

That approximately 100% of self-proclaimed materialists and 'atheists' don't murder everybody they can and/or blow their own brains out proves that there is some innate sense in human beings that things don't begin and end with this annoying meatsack.

'Atheists are deadshits' as some comedian I can't remember once said.

The unsubstantiated, aggressive conviction in non-existence after death is a weird mental disorder.

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Old 06-12-2017, 02:58 PM   #38
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Hamlet:
To be, or not to be--that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them. To die, to sleep--
No more--and by a sleep to say we end
The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep--
To sleep--perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_be,_or_not_to_be
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Old 08-12-2017, 04:46 AM   #39
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In my life the idea of ceasing to exist in any way would have been a great release
Agree totally. This is a great thread.

Whether we call it existence or nonexistence after death, it's nothing to be afraid of.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:15 PM   #40
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Those who do not have a divine spark/soul will at death, have their energy returned to it's source, but they do not retain individual consciousness whereas divine sparks/souls do.

I didn't know it was possible to be human and not have a divine spark/soul.....
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