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Old 17-07-2012, 04:52 PM   #21
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This might just be what our universe is, a big ball of cause and effect, no more no less, no big deal!
It is a big deal to lots of people, the very idea that we have no free will freaks a lot of people out.

Lots of people say "if that is true then why get out of bed" I find this thinking very disconcerting.

To me, I think the fact that everything is just as it is meant to be makes me want to do more and more and more and like unicorny says makes me smile at situations, maybe this is the cosmic joke people talk of?


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Old 17-07-2012, 04:55 PM   #22
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I think the following;

The creator is plugged into all of us. It interacts trough us, uses our senses , WTF the -It- even knows what we think.

Maybe the creator is very, very lonely and just needs someone to play with.
The creator knows everything, as it is that powerful that it can see the infinte amount of variables that are the causes and effects of the whole universe, makes perfect sense.
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Old 17-07-2012, 04:56 PM   #23
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The creator knows everything, as it is that powerful that it can see the infinte amount of variables that are the causes and effects of the whole universe, makes perfect sense.
I edited my post a bit more.
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Old 17-07-2012, 05:03 PM   #24
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Once the -it- sees that your doing the right thing without any tension, with a pure heart , it will slowly unlock your higher potential.
I am not sure, I think you are born with infinite potential but we lose it as we are programmed.

To get to heaven you must become like a child.

I don't think "IT" intervenes, it will just play out as it plays out. It is not playing the game, it just set the rules by which it will be played and the main rule is cause and effect.

Soul was etheral, now it is course and it has to become etheral again.

Like the Picture of the AC waveform, it is cyclical.

Imagine the fun of watching your creation unfold

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Old 17-07-2012, 05:03 PM   #25
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While I'm not 100% convinced of any 'creator' I do think my actions are dictated by a much grander plan. While I'm totally responsable for my immediate actions, those a limited by the options given to me by the 'universe.'

Unfortuately I'm just one of those people, which the 'universe' seem not to have delt a fair hand to.
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While I'm not 100% convinced of any 'creator' I do think my actions are dictated by a much grander plan. While I'm totally responsable for my immediate actions, those a limited by the options given to me by the 'universe.'

Unfortuately I'm just one of those people, which the 'universe' seem not to have delt a fair hand to.
If your actions are dictated, how can you be responsible for them?

You are judging your hand by your concept of what fair is, if you think it could have been no other way, it takes the sting out of whatever you think is not fair.

I am not preaching but it works, the cycle of emotional reaction gets less and less and you laugh at things that once seemed distressing

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Old 17-07-2012, 05:07 PM   #27
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Imagine the fun of watching your creation unfold
Yeah......-It- is laughing ITs ass off right now.
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Old 17-07-2012, 05:09 PM   #28
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If your actions are dictated, how can you be responsible for them?

You are judging your hand by your concept of what fair is, if you think it could have been no other way, it takes the sting out of whatever you think is not fair.

I am not preaching but it works, the cycle of emotional reaction gets less and less and you laugh at things that once seemed distressing
Thanks for the advice, really not sure it helps, though
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Yeah......-It- is laughing ITs ass off right now.
Not sure if that is sarcastic for the state of creation at the moment, wars famine etc.

But I am sure from its perspective it is indeed laughing as it understands that none of it actually matters in the massive scheme of things.
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Old 17-07-2012, 05:10 PM   #30
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If your actions are dictated, how can you be responsible for them?
What about the people who constatly go voting some corrupt moron?

As a specific example the US serves it well.

Aren't the voters in the US partly responsible that their troops fight one war of aggression after the other?
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Thanks for the advice, really not sure it helps, though
I have took this line of thinking to the extreme and I have applied it to past and present experiences where I have been hurt and it works, you just have to stay conscious and not let the emotion overwhelm you.

If true then no one is to blame, there is no guilt and compassion and understanding replaces the negative emotions.
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What about the people who constatly go voting some corrupt moron?

As a specific example the US serves it well.

Aren't the voters in the US partly responsible that their troops fight one war of aggression after the other?
No, not responsible at all.

They vote the way they do because of their upbringing and the constant media mind warping and peer pressure etc etc.

Their choices are dictated by the circumstance they are in.

And yes, with this line of thinking Hitler was not guilty.

*retreats back quietly*

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It not a question of my actions being right or wrong, I fell literally unable to take the action I wanna take.
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No, not responsible at all.

They vote the way they do because of their upbringing and the constant media mind warping and peer pressure etc etc.

Their choices are dictated by the circumstance they are in.
I disagree.
There is no excuse to send professional killers around the globe.
Common sense should tell that it is not right, they go consciously voting.

So yes, I think they are responsible, because they don't even think about their actions, which I thought makes us human.
We have a free will, nobody forces them to vote for war, again and again.

I find it too easy to blame everything on the anonymous system.
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Old 17-07-2012, 05:24 PM   #35
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It not a question of my actions being right or wrong, I fell literally unable to take the action I wanna take.
This is the jumping off the cliff analogy again, it just means trusting that whatever happens is what is meant to be happening.

I don't mean to be flippant as I obviously don't know your situation but whatever it is I hope you find the strength and the perspective to see through it soon.

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I disagree.
There is no excuse to send professional killers around the globe.
Common sense should tell that it is not right, they go consciously voting.

So yes, I think they are responsible, because they don't even think about their actions, which I thought makes us human.
We have a free will, nobody forces them to vote for war, again and again.

I find it too easy to blame everything on the anonymous system.
Your common sense says that, the people who are ordering it says different.

The people who are doing it have the power to brainwash the populace into having any opinion that the elite wish, that is the power of the media.

They are totally forced to vote for war.

Free will does not exist.
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Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better - Albert Einstein
A bit cryptic

Does nature escape Cause and effect?
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Your common sense says that, the people who are ordering it says different.

The people who are doing it have the power to brainwash the populace into having any opinion that the elite wish, that is the power of the media.

They are totally forced to vote for war.

Free will does not exist.
Free will exists, but it is difficult in this world to exercise it.

The point being, the people have been indoctrinated through constant bombardment with the thinking "What can the little man do against such machine?"

We have been made passive, in the victim position.

Simple example, if people seriously want change, why not stay at home when they call the people to elect some puppet who starts a war? It is so simple to see through the two party dictatorship, it is only one party more than under communism.

The turn out of elections is always a sort of measuring scale, despite all trickery they use.

They will have a problem if ideally almost nobody shows up to bury his voice in the urn.

Actually, politician have a boss, the sovereign, the people, they have to answer the people.

We simply got to empower ourselves. We can do it.

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Free will exists, but it is difficult in this world to exercise it.

The point being, the people have been indoctrinated through constant bombardment with the thinking "What can the little man do against such machine?"

We have been made passive, in the victim position.

Simple example, if people seriously want change, why not stay at home when they call the people to elect some puppet you starts a war? It is so simple to see through the two party dictatorship, it is only one party more than under communism.

The turn out of elections is always a sort of measuring scale, despite all trickery they use.

They will have a problem if ideally almost nobody shows up to bury his voice in the urn.

We simply got to empower ourselves. We can do it.
You are spekaing from a personal perspective.

Hypothetically what you are saying is true but it needs a whole lot of cause and effect to make it happen, maybe it will one day but it will be the only thing that could have been happening at that time.

Free will doesn't exist.

To disprove this statement, you have to give me a thought/situation/feeling *anything* that is not caused and doesn't have an effect.

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