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Old 18-11-2018, 08:47 PM   #381
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It is explained in the video.
Unfortunately all that video offers is an out-of-context, misinformed techno-babble word salad.
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Is this true?

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Old 18-11-2018, 09:17 PM   #383
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Is this true?
What do you think...
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Old 18-11-2018, 09:19 PM   #384
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What do you think...
I really don't know what is true or not these days.
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Old 18-11-2018, 09:41 PM   #385
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I really don't know what is true or not these days.
OK. Off topic, but if anyone thinks fake news is bad now, wait until video face-mapping technology goes main stream. That's when all sorts of 'undercover videos' will appear showing various dignitaries saying some outrageous/dangerous/infantile stuff. It'll be clear and on video - so there'll be no doubting it even if it's fake.

Remember you read it here first! (Even though it's actually discussed here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entert...bout-fake-news)
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Old 18-11-2018, 09:45 PM   #386
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I really don't know what is true or not these days.
Top tip: always go to the source. Not just someone lifting stuff of Youtube and waving a flimsy narrative to fit their adgenda, but the source of each clip. What does it really show? When was it shot, by whom and where?
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Old 19-11-2018, 10:50 AM   #387
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So here is some pictures of the aftermath at the burned down car park.
There is only one car with melted alloy on the ground.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-42542556
I don't see it melted but half crushed... third pic is that it ?
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Old 25-11-2018, 06:42 PM   #388
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I don't see it melted but half crushed... third pic is that it ?
Yes, obviously someone stood on it in the rush to escape.
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Old 26-11-2018, 04:26 PM   #390
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It doesn't add up - + very old building with mostly empty car park.
Vehicles ID need to be checked and owners verified + source of fire.
Fire would not have spread, but would have stayed within a given area.

What's the source of info? BBC News ? Say no more. (refer to WTC7 report - "building collapsed from dust" 20 minutes before it was demolished)

Hey! Why pay for demolition and rebuild of old structure when you can incinerate with state of the art tech. and then claim on the insurance? Throw in as many old bangers that you can get cheap from the local scrap and claim on them too.
I'll bet they didn't think of that one.

They will be telling us next that cause of fire was a discarded cigarette or a faulty battery.

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California Gov. Jerry Brown Rejected Wildfire Management Bill In 2016

https://newspunch.com/california-gov...nagement-bill/
He has also given the go-ahead for all fire claims to be underwritten/funded by the taxpayers.

Agenda 21 on steroids - they are in panic mode. The end result will be that more and more people will see through the BS

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Old 28-11-2018, 02:41 PM   #392
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Finally we know the cause of this wildfire.

Gender issue....honestly. It's a serious business.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...ng-us-wildfire
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Old 03-12-2018, 05:13 PM   #393
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PG&E stock price plunges as California wildfires burn
November 14, 2018, 12:55 PM
Shares in California electric utility PG&E plummeted Wednesday to their lowest level in more than a decade with some Californians who have lost homes saying the power company is at fault for sparking the state's deadliest and most destructive wildfire. In a lawsuit filed this week, homeowners said a high voltage transmission line failed, producing the sparks that caused the fire. They accuse Pacific Gas & Electric Co. of failing to maintain infrastructure.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pg-e-st...lsey-wildfire/

Roger H. Kimmel, Vice Chairman of Rothschild Inc.
Mr. Kimmel is Vice Chairman of Rothschild Inc. (international investment banking firm) and has held that position since January 2001. Prior to joining Rothschild Inc., Mr. Kimmel was a partner in the international law firm of Latham & Watkins LLP. Mr. Kimmel has been a director of PG&E Corporation and Pacific Gas and Electric Company since 2009. He also is the non-executive Chairman of the Board of Endo International plc (global specialty healthcare company). He was formerly a director of Schiff Nutrition International, Inc. (vitamins and nutritional supplements company) (1996-2012).
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California throws lifeline to PG&E for wildfires

By CBS News
November 16, 2018
SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Shares of Pacific Gas & Electric soared Friday after California’s top utility regulator said his agency will help the company deal with potentially crippling liability costs from wildfires. Stock prices soared nearly 38 percent after plunging 60 percent and losing $15 billion in valuation in the week following the Northern California wildfire that is the nation’s deadliest in a century. No cause has been determined, but speculation has centered on PG&E, which reported an outage around the time and place the fire ignited. The death toll from the so-called Camp Fire has risen to at least 63, with hundreds of people still unaccounted for. California state investigators in June faulted PG&E-owned power lines for sparking a dozen blazes in Northern California in the fall of 2017 that killed 46 and incinerated nearly 9,000 homes and other structures.
Late Thursday, California Public Utilities Commission President Michael Picker sought to calm financial markets by indicating support for the continued viability of PG&E and other publicly traded utilities.
In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Picker said his agency will soon implement a provision in a new state law that makes it easier for utilities to pass costs for past wildfires to their customers. He said additional legislation may be needed to ensure that provision applies to this year’s fires.
https://wdef.com/2018/11/16/californ...r-wildfires-2/
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Old 04-12-2018, 04:38 AM   #394
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I suppose any kind of conspiracy to create the fires is possible, but wildfires in California, especially during Santa Ana wind season have been going on every year for many thousands of years. The real conspiracy here, is the usual talking heads blaming it all on global warming or climate change.

The only thing that has changed over thousands of years in the wildfire zones of California is 1) people building homes and businesses in known fire hazard areas, and 2) the govt's land management hands-off, no burning policy.

The damage from the fires keeps getting worse and worse because idiots want to live in California so bad, and where they can get a great million dollar view, they are building homes and businesses in places that we already know are high danger for wild fires. No one was building in these places 50 years ago.

The forest service in California has a hands-off, no-cut, no-burn policy. This means that the dry undergrowth is allowed to build up on the forest floor until it becomes a massive fuel source for more powerful fires. The smaller trees are never cut to thin the forests, so they also build up, which only fuels fires. No prescribed burns are allowed, which would rid the forests of this fuel build-up, and instead the forests are allowed to overgrow until they go up like bombs when a fire occurs.

The Native Americans that used to live in California knew all about the yearly fire season and the Santa Ana winds. They kept the forests thinned and cleaned out the undergrowth by doing their own prescribed burns. The forests were much healthier, less prone to out of control fire, and had more wild game to hunt.

The native plants in the fire prone areas of California are designed to burn. It's through burning that they release their seeds, cover the ground with ash for the seeds to grow, and suppress competing plants. These plants actually contain chemicals that make them burn easier and hotter. They actually evolved to work with the yearly fires.

None of this has anything to do with weather or climate. It's entirely a man-made problem because we think we're smarter than nature.

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Old 05-12-2018, 11:34 PM   #395
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P, G & E - "perverse, grotesque & evil.

Responsible for incinerating the elderly, children and animals... in cars, houses and fleeing on foot, from an unnatural DEW inferno, hotter than a furnace, then blaming and punishing mankind for our carbon emissions.

This is a purge, with silent weapons, altering the weather.
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Old 06-12-2018, 07:33 PM   #396
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....None of this has anything to do with weather or climate. It's entirely a man-made problem because we think we're smarter than nature..

Nature of course sets fires and has being doing so for many millions of years in North America but these are associated mainly with thunderstorms which are of course carrying their own firefighting ability and when a fire gets very large dust and water vapour released by the fire go soaring rapidly upwards resulting in a intensification of precipitation.

The natural flora and fauna evolved to accomodate this and the ancient forests developed into great sinks of moisture and organic particulates which moderate the weather locally.

The landscape of much of the US is now a simulcra of those evolved ancient ecosystems. It is full of invasive species (including humans) and almost certainly will continue to degrade in the medium to long term.
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PG&E stock price plunges as California wildfires burn
November 14, 2018, 12:55 PM
Shares in California electric utility PG&E plummeted Wednesday to their lowest level in more than a decade with some Californians who have lost homes saying the power company is at fault for sparking the state's deadliest and most destructive wildfire. In a lawsuit filed this week, homeowners said a high voltage transmission line failed, producing the sparks that caused the fire. They accuse Pacific Gas & Electric Co. of failing to maintain infrastructure.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pg-e-st...lsey-wildfire/

Roger H. Kimmel, Vice Chairman of Rothschild Inc.
Mr. Kimmel is Vice Chairman of Rothschild Inc. (international investment banking firm) and has held that position since January 2001. Prior to joining Rothschild Inc., Mr. Kimmel was a partner in the international law firm of Latham & Watkins LLP. Mr. Kimmel has been a director of PG&E Corporation and Pacific Gas and Electric Company since 2009. He also is the non-executive Chairman of the Board of Endo International plc (global specialty healthcare company). He was formerly a director of Schiff Nutrition International, Inc. (vitamins and nutritional supplements company) (1996-2012).
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California throws lifeline to PG&E for wildfires

By CBS News
November 16, 2018
SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Shares of Pacific Gas & Electric soared Friday after California’s top utility regulator said his agency will help the company deal with potentially crippling liability costs from wildfires. Stock prices soared nearly 38 percent after plunging 60 percent and losing $15 billion in valuation in the week following the Northern California wildfire that is the nation’s deadliest in a century. No cause has been determined, but speculation has centered on PG&E, which reported an outage around the time and place the fire ignited. The death toll from the so-called Camp Fire has risen to at least 63, with hundreds of people still unaccounted for. California state investigators in June faulted PG&E-owned power lines for sparking a dozen blazes in Northern California in the fall of 2017 that killed 46 and incinerated nearly 9,000 homes and other structures.
Late Thursday, California Public Utilities Commission President Michael Picker sought to calm financial markets by indicating support for the continued viability of PG&E and other publicly traded utilities.
In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Picker said his agency will soon implement a provision in a new state law that makes it easier for utilities to pass costs for past wildfires to their customers. He said additional legislation may be needed to ensure that provision applies to this year’s fires.
https://wdef.com/2018/11/16/californ...r-wildfires-2/

California utility firm suspected of starting deadly wildfires goes bankrupt
Pacific Gas and Electric, which supplies 16 million residents, is under investigation for its role in the Camp fire and others
Vivian Ho in San Francisco
Mon 14 Jan 2019 23.37 GMT

The utility company that services more than a third of California announced Monday it plans to file for bankruptcy by the end of the month. Several deadly wildfires believed to have been caused by the company left it with potential liabilities of at least $30bn.

The boards of directors of Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) has determined that the move “is ultimately the only viable option to restore PG&E’s financial stability to fund ongoing operations and provide safe service to customers,” the San Francisco-based company stated in a filing at the Security and Exchange Commission.

PG&E, which serves provides gas and electricity to 16 million Californians, is currently under investigation for its role in November’s Camp fire, the deadliest wildfire in the state’s history.

The company has been found responsible for several other disasters in recent years, including the 2017 North Bay fires, which killed 43 people and destroyed more than 14,700 homes, the 2015 Butte fire, which killed two people and destroyed almost 900 structures, and a a 2010 gas line explosion in San Bruno that ripped through an entire neighborhood, killing eight and injuring 58 people. PG&E was fined $1.6bn for the San Bruno explosion and a federal jury found the company guilty of six felony charges, ordering it to pay $3m in fines.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ric-bankruptcy
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OK. Off topic, but if anyone thinks fake news is bad now, wait until video face-mapping technology goes main stream. That's when all sorts of 'undercover videos' will appear showing various dignitaries saying some outrageous/dangerous/infantile stuff. It'll be clear and on video - so there'll be no doubting it even if it's fake.

Remember you read it here first! (Even though it's actually discussed here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entert...bout-fake-news)
Just remember the grainy footage they showed us of Bin Laden sitting in a cave mumbling a bunch of undecipherable Arabic, with English subtitle translations of what he was saying. Anyone would have to be a complete idiot to buy that fake nonsense.

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Just remember the grainy footage they showed us of Bin Laden sitting in a cave mumbling a bunch of undecipherable Arabic, with English subtitle translations of what he was saying. Anyone would have to be a complete idiot to buy that fake nonsense..
and he was getting younger in each video

there is a danger though with fake footage being released which could be used to fit people up or spark conflicts
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