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Old 14-06-2014, 02:44 AM   #21
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From my perspective and experiences of awakening, I would have to suggest that if he is old and he is peaceful, just let him be. I think this would be the kindest thing you can do for him.
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Old 14-06-2014, 03:32 AM   #22
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David Icke is 62 is that old?

The problem with the young 'uns is that they think they know it all.

They may have information, and some knowledge, but wisdom comes from the experience of living through lifes cycles.

Many old uns have lived a full life and are ready to die, and are not fearful of what is coming they are closer to death and can look it in the face. They are under no illusions of what is around the corner.

Young people are more attached and have much they want to do and experience and more fearful of loosing it all.

Older people know what it feels like to be young. Young people have no idea what its like to be older.

There are many brain dead old people about and you can say the same for young people also.

So whats all this about judging by outward appearances anyway, how many times does David Icke have to say that we are infinite consciousness before it sinks in.

Does anybody even listen to DI anymore?

These older people were around in the 60's and experienced a revolution of youth a time when the older generation looked to the youth for guidance. It was totally rebellious to grow your hair drop out and shout slogans like make love not war.

So now they cover it all because of a few hippie musicians in California had parents in military intelligence. Well if it was engineered, it backfired and got out of hand and they put a stop to it fast.

They are still about practicing their spirituality, protesting against fracking and the like working to save the planet. Yes and watching TPV and reading David Icke and his contemporaries.

They experienced a revolution and a rebellion against the established order and experimented with alternative ways of living and consciousness.

For those who were not there its just a history lesson.

The old ones can look back to the post war boom years and say, 'when i was young i had it good'.

They have lived through they greatest upheavals in society, technology and consciousness, do not underestimate them.
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Old 14-06-2014, 03:43 AM   #23
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What swami said

You really have to smile at the arrogance of youth. Its OK though because we oldies were once young and arrogantly thought we knew it all too.
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Old 14-06-2014, 12:46 PM   #24
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Life is all about learning and 'growing'. One should never stop seeking to learn and to 'grow'.

And to help each other along is an integral part of earthly incarnation.

So ...

But if you are tearing down the flawed 'old', you need to replace it with a better, higher 'new'...
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Old 14-06-2014, 01:02 PM   #25
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Again, the topic comes up yet again! Such a recurring theme - I think it warrants a book in itself.

OP and anyone else - this thread is from about a fortnight ago, titled 'fighting with mom' if you want to search for it:

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Well i am on my vacation to see my parents in canada. i go every once a year and i been here for almost 4 weeks and got 4 days left till i go back to the netherlands.
so i dont see them very often and we have been fighting a lot about stuff.
Every time where i would look at an ingredient list or talk about aliens or any kind of thing that doesnt fit her bill she will tell me i'm complaining and that i'm forcing things onto her which i really dont think i am doing. i think she is overreacting.
this has happened quite a lot in these weeks and just now i had a huge fight with her because i was talking about aliens and conspiracies again.
she makes it seem like i'm forcing everything onto her when i talk about such things but i'm really not i dont think.
we got so frustrated with eachother that basically she started crying and yelling and calling me insane and for me to be locked up and that she was happy i was going back to holland soon.
this feels so horrible to me because we only see eachother once a year and this stuff has to happen. i feel really bad but i can't resist arguing because i feel it is really unfair for her to flip out and think of me like this.
i dont know why i'm sharing this. maybe i am hoping for some tips and stories like this happening with others here.
i'm in a very uncomfortable situation. ofcourse i don't want to be in a fight with my mom but it fucken happens and when it does it's sick. i cant describe it differently than the word horrible or sick because i hate it so much.
I'm wishing i could go back to my little apartment in holland tomorrow instead of sunday just to be away from this shit but it really isnt good for things to be like this.
we could patch things up but it happened you know and it didnt happen just once and i'm sick of it just as my mom is sick of it. its horrible and i dont think i'm comming back here again.
i'm afraid to say it but there is no love anymore

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Old 14-06-2014, 01:07 PM   #26
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I met my old dad and my sister a while ago. I meet them very rarely and I guess when you meet your family for a short while and only rarely it's supposed to be light and fluffy and perhaps the occasional notice of deceased relatives or whatever because it's necessary to tell. It's all about spending time together and nothing else. But I can't help but think of how shallow I think they are. And my memory of them from when I lived with them a long time ago is that they were shallow then too, and then I spent much more time with them. My dad for example is only interested in practical things. He likes to have a beer, watch a funny but meaningless movie, spend time on his hobbies etc. All about laughing off anything serious. It's like an attitude of if you don't care about the big things they don't affect you.

I guess I was always into deep things to one degree or another but not like today. After I started awakening I spend most of my spare time truthseeking, watching documentaries about mind control, hidden history etc. I've only been very interested in these subjects for a few months, so I don't know very much, but I feel that I'm in a process of seeing things that the general public don't know much about, the stuff that people on this forum are all about.

I thought about a thing. What if I hypothetically would send some profound, mindbending documentaries to my old dad to start opening a crack in his matrix? I personally think he would shrug it off and go back into his bubble, because he's comfortable there and is old so he's on the last bit of his life. I don't feel that our relationship is close enough or friendly enough for me to send him links to documentaries, but I mean just as a hypothetical thought, could be about anyone's old dad.

Could it even be a disservice to try to awaken old people, for example your old parents? Because what good does it really do them to see the dirt more clearly if they live in a relatively cozy world? You're kind of a party pooper then, aren't you? And maybe if they feel the need to become seekers, they will become seekers by themselves, without your interference?
I would say more misjudgment than disservice; also I wouldn't limit this to elders.
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Old 14-06-2014, 01:22 PM   #27
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It depends what is meant by awaken. There is awakening to what is really going on, and there is also spiritual awakening. I think it's a disservice to not speak the truth about things, so no I don't think there is anything wrong with alerting old people or anyone to whats really going on. As for trying to spiritually awaken old people, you can't (it's something that happens to an individual internally and is probably near impossible to make happen to someone).

If you speak the truth and others can't handle it, it is their problem for not wanting to stare truth and reality in the face. However it's not good to try to force doomporn onto others, though I have been guilty of that myself. I tried to explain to my nan (who spent a lot of nights during ww2 in an anderson shelter or in the underground stations sheltering from the dropping bombs) about how both world wars were rigged and that it was basically a population control and transfer of wealth (and estates). She chose not to believe that and it made her uncomfortable, but it's true.

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Old 14-06-2014, 01:37 PM   #28
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It's worth saying that life isn't necessarily cosy just because you don't know who really rules the world.
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Old 14-06-2014, 03:37 PM   #29
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This thread is ageist for those who assume that elders are less than or incapable of understanding.

This belief system that old people are senile is falling into the mind control brainwashing trap.

Tptb want mediocrity over genius. Youth and energy over experience.

Are the young people so stupid to believe that a lifetimes experience of just living counts for nothing?

There is nothing natural or healthy about our western cultural lifestyle its about as far removed from nature as you can get.

There are no rites of passage for the the youth as there is no guidance from the elders and if there is its ignored.

Look at the way our society treats its elders, locks them away in home, keep them out of sight along with the infirm and disabled.

The extended family has gone, the support of relatives for each other diminished and replaced by the state, which they are now taking away and laughing at us.

In one of his tunes Neil Young sang. "Old people have got something to say, but they better say it fast and get out of the way."


The same can be said for the children, dont tell them what is going on, send them out of the room.

This whole culture has be designed by television, its values, likes and dislikes by soaps. Children grow up in this and know no better.

I could write a book about all this, what is wrong with our lifestyles. Yet they have already been written.

Imagine the internet going down, it will be the elders who will cope then, they remember what life was like before computers.
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Old 15-06-2014, 12:40 AM   #30
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I have been going out on trips with a group of people of various ages, and I think the oldest is 98. There are a few in there late 80s and nineties and these are some of the most switched on people I have encountered. They exchange books on conspiracy type things, crop circles and other stuff that we talk about here. I have had an intelligent conversation with them on the disappearance of MH370 and they contribute as well as listen with an open mind.

Some old people are closed minded but believe me, so are a lot of young ones.

I used to be a carer for people with disabilities and the aged. I have had some mind blowing conversations with some of my clients.

So please stop with this ageist nonsense.
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Old 15-06-2014, 02:39 AM   #31
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Tell it to Anne Power


Observer Ethical Awards 2014 winners: Anne Power
The winner of the Local Hero Award talks about her life on the frontline of the anti-fracking campaign







Retired teacher Anne Power is as formidable as her name suggests, having become a figurehead for the anti- fracking protest camp at Barton Moss, Salford. Power travelled six miles to the camp most days through winter, with the help of her walking stick, to help set up blockades, provide food and counselling, and raise awareness.

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