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Old 05-07-2012, 05:29 PM   #561
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Yeah but can't you see the 'decline' (if there has been one, i'd say obviously yes) has been slow and mostly impercievable to most?

I would think that would be the only way to do it, so yes maybe people have been going on about this for decades and yes maybe it is happening.
A 'moral decline' inevitably rests on your own moral standards, so it's not a given.

I'd say myself that some things might have declined morally, others got better. For example, in my lifetime gay people have become less likely to get their heads kicked in for expressing affection in public, are much better represented in the media without just being John Inman and have far greater social recognition generally. Given I think suppressing homosexuality is an immoral imposition on gay people's human rights, I'd say that's a moral improvement. Hopefully we'll reach a stage where no-one gives a shit about whethre people are gay or not.

Other areas I might see more neutrally. So I don't think porn is a "good" thing or a "bad" thing - it can be destructive or it can give people great pleasure and even enhance their sex lives. It's like drugs - it depends on user, set and setting. Porn becoming more accessible - primarily due to the internet - can cause problems, but I also think it's dumb and unwarranted to try to suppress porn. It used to be largely a seedy underworld, now it's a massive industry - there are pros and cons on either side.
I don't have a problem with porn as it's...just porn and I wanked off over enough of it in my teens. In fact I'm thankful to porn for being a valuable friend during the heady days of puberty. If people like porn, then I say you go watch your porn and enjoy it. But I wouldn't go round shouting Porn for everyone! Watch some porn, it's awesome!

For myself, I percieve moral decline as far more pertinent in the commodificatiion of everything. I see far more to get morally outraged about in, say, destroying the habitat of wildlife for money or attacking the poor at the same time jobs are being stripped away then getting all wound up about people's sex lives.

And I still don't know exactly what the point of this thread is supposed to be - appparently it's about 'sexual deviance', but apart from obvious things like pedos who nobody likes, I'm not sure what 'sexual deviance' or 'moral decline' I'm supposed to be concerned about anyway. The article in the OP was a bunch of deranged drivel, so that's not really any help either.

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Old 05-07-2012, 05:36 PM   #562
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Dogsmilk, open up your own thread on the topic of global warming and I will gladly contribute to your thread, and give you my opinions. This thread however is not about 'global warming'. So this concludes any further disscussion from myself with you on this thread concerning global warming. O.K.
My post wasn't just about global warming which I'll remind you again you brought up in the first place. You've started getting very evasive about stuff you started talking about. You really don't like having to put meat on the bones of youir endless rhetoric do you?

I've been kind of enjoying the spontaneous nature of this thread, the way it's gone off at tangents. It's felt kind of free and alive. It's shame you want to bring it back into rigid linearity. Though it's probably a fitting metaphor for your attitude to sex.
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:17 PM   #563
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^^ It has nothing to do with being evasive, because I havn't got anything to hide... lol. It's not the 'climate sceptics' that have anything to fear on the debate anyway is it, because it's not them who have fudged figures and gone on a relentless media campaign to promote this rubbish of 'global warming is it! I already said I would be glad to talk about it or try to answer some of the relevent questions on another thread. This one has swayed off topic now for quite long enough. So why not just start your own thread on the topic? I don't see a problem with that myself, and that's not being evasive in anyway whatsoever.
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:47 PM   #564
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^^ It has nothing to do with being evasive, because I havn't got anything to hide... lol. It's not the 'climate sceptics' that have anything to fear on the debate anyway is it, because it's not them who have fudged figures and gone on a relentless media campaign to promote this rubbish of 'global warming is it! I already said I would be glad to talk about it or try to answer some of the relevent questions on another thread. This one has swayed off topic now for quite long enough. So why not just start your own thread on the topic? I don't see a problem with that myself, and that's not being evasive in anyway whatsoever.

Well you seem to have spent basically the entire thread ignoring direct questions.

Why would I want to start a thread on global warming? I already said it's not a subject I'm into. I just asked you something. If you can't answer it I'm not arsed.

If you're talking about a "relentless media campaign", what in God's name do you think the climate sceptic community are engaged in?

I'm sure you'd agree that this I posted a couple of pages ago from your corporate friends was really fucking out of order (not to mention dumb as fuck).

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On May 4, 2012, the institute launched a digital billboard ad campaign in the Chicago area featuring a photo of Ted Kaczynski, (the "Unabomber" whose mail bombs killed three people and injured 23 others), and asking the question, “I still believe in global warming, do you?”[24] The institute planned for the campaign to feature murderer Charles Manson, communist leader Fidel Castro and perhaps Osama bin Laden, asking the same question. In a statement, the institute justified the billboards saying "the most prominent advocates of global warming aren’t scientists. They are murderers, tyrants, and madmen."[25] The billlboard reportedly "unleashed a social media-fed campaign, including a petition from the advocacy group Forecast the Facts calling on Heartland’s corporate backers to immediately pull their funding," and prompted Rep. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.), to threaten to cancel his speech at the upcoming Heartland Institute Climate Change Conference.[26] Within 24 hours Heartland canceled the campaign, although its President refused to apologize for it.[nb 2] The advertising campaign led to the loss of substantial corporate funding,[27] the resignation of Institute board members, and the resignation of almost the entire Heartland Washington D.C. office, taking the Institute's biggest project (on insurance) with it.[28]
But if you don't wish to talk about global warming, why do you keep talking about global warming? Why don't you tell us exactly what endemic "sexual deviance" everybody is supposed to worry about so everyone can work out if they care?
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:34 PM   #565
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:44 PM   #566
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A truly intelligent person would rip this guy a new one....I don't care what he has done there is very little innovation of newness about anything.....They just trick people into thinking it is fresh.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:23 PM   #567
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Man that above guy is obviously intelligent and has some truth....But he is compounded by his own argument as in geo politics.....Why would they implement suicide upon the white race when some of these masters are white themselves and I ain't going into some romantic loyalty bullshit.....It's just how can they flex imperial muscles or implement such plans on other nations such as china or india etc without basically being able to compete.....And having military muscle which is dependant on man power no amount of technology will render man obsolete well not until they can make a synthetic being capable of what man is capable of.

Are you saying that the overlords are multi racial globalists? I highly doubt it. In the west you got WASP, Jews and Catholics.......The West itself is divided between Europe and America....Then you got the Chinese and Russia.....Between them a whole bunch of chess pieces and bargain pieces in the coming uni polar competition between Europe, America and China.

Serfs! You think these elite shit bags are going to farm the land, study forever in academia in the pursuit of knowledge and construct shit. Consumption Our entire society nay the whole world is dependant on this model that has been exported from the west, It is a catch 22 situation fundamental building block of society.....Those big ass corporations are totally dependant on the useless eater to buy their shit without people they would be nothing.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:35 PM   #568
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Old 20-07-2012, 12:58 AM   #569
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I've been kind of enjoying the spontaneous nature of this thread, the way it's gone off at tangents. It's felt kind of free and alive. It's shame you want to bring it back into rigid linearity. Though it's probably a fitting metaphor for your attitude to sex.

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Old 20-07-2012, 12:59 AM   #570
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Sorry peeps. Was browsing and just realised that this particular thread had somewhat died to the wayside...

Was an interesting read though
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what's the big deal?
i thought that sex was a good thing?
stupid fucking uptight people are just scared to death that somewhere, someone is having fun.
I agree. Any movement that wants to return to a pre-1960s morality won't get any support from me. I believe in compassionate hedonism. Whatever the downsides of the sexual revolution, I'm still glad it happened. I'd have no wish to return to the 1950s.
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I agree. Any movement that wants to return to a pre-1960s morality won't get any support from me. I believe in compassionate hedonism. Whatever the downsides of the sexual revolution, I'm still glad it happened. I'd have no wish to return to the 1950s.
Ah yes, the pre-1960s. Where it was ok to knock your wife around behind closed doors.....
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Ah yes, the pre-1960s. Where it was ok to knock your wife around behind closed doors.....
That's some sort of logical fallacy.
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