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Old 08-03-2016, 08:31 AM   #1
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This article in the papers today about government experts in various fields looking over the possibility of leaglising cannabis

Being the money grubbing sheisters they are the main thing they are looking at is the tax raising potential of this but many of us are aware of many other benefits from the wonder plant that is cannabis

I guess what we need to be vigilent against are things like GMO cannabis. Also some people blame cannabis for causing some mental health issues but really it is the skunk which has been artificially bred which causes the mental health problems so its human tampering with natures bounty which has caused the problems

The UK used to have coffee houses everywhere before cheap gin was mass produced which enabled the working poor to drink to forget the hardships of their lives. This lead to a lot of social problems but pacified the poor leading to queen victoria to say:

''Give my people plenty of beer, good beer, and cheap beer, and you will have no revolution among them.''

Cannabis most definately could lead to a more chilled out and less aggravated populace but hopefully one still interested in positive social change ie greater equality / stability

So maybe the coffee houses can come back again but this time serving nice grass. The coffee houses used to be hothouses of discussion of all kinds and great social hubs. Alcohol on the other hand shuts down clear communication after a certain point.

so...lets hope they legalise it and we can ensure there is good gear avaliable to all in conjenial cafes

I remember some guys opening a cafe in Leith a while back and the police raided it as soon as its doors were open for business which is just pure ignorance. A cafe in leith would have been great for the city.

Cannabis legalisation in the UK 'would raise £1bn a year in taxes'
Study calls for UK to follow lead of some US states and allow the sale of cannabis to over-18s in licensed retail stores
Oliver Wright

Legalising the sale of cannabis in specialist shops would generate £1bn a year in tax revenue and reduce the harm done to users and society, according to the most detailed plans ever drawn up for the liberalisation of UK drug laws.

The study, which was carried out by a panel of experts including scientists, academics and police chiefs, calls for the UK to follow the lead of some US states and allow the sale of cannabis to over-18s in licensed retail stores.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6918161.html
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Old 08-03-2016, 08:49 AM   #2
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It's disgusting that mainstream are willing to debate cannabis in regards to raising phenomenal taxes, yet they completely neglect the medicinal benefits of the plant. I'm quite happy smoking my weed with it being illegal - in fact, that's probably why I enjoy it. So to be quite honest, I'd rather is stayed 'illegal' - why the f*** should the big guns benefit from yet another source of income? Sure, the stigma attached to smoking cannabis and having to jump through hoops to smoke it without getting caught is a pain, a massive pain. But the worst of all would be to pay tax on it and have it legalized.

They will never, ever, ever want to legalize cannabis for medicinal reasons. For me, that's enough clout to tell them to back off from the cannabis!
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Here's my response http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost....&postcount=851

Sadly if it does raise £1 billion via taxes every year then most of it will be wasted by government
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:36 AM   #6
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Preclinical data is not a substitute for controlled human trials. We can't and shouldn't base claims of efficacy, or even safety, on a plausible mechanism and this preclinical data. What we have so far is sufficient justification for Phase I clinical trials in humans for certain types of cancer, and nothing more. Mind you a number of trials are already ongoing and more will start soon.

However it is very common for dubious treatments and products to base claims on preliminary preclinical research. This kind of evidence can make a compelling story, and that's what the marketers are counting on. It is helpful to see how real scientists and doctors approach the evidence and science, and the process that is necessary before we can know that a treatment is safe and effective for just one type of cancer.

With all of that said keep in mind that there is around a 92% failure rate for all oncology drugs http://adrclinresearch.com/Issues_in...201_v12L_a.pdf
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:38 AM   #7
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It's disgusting that mainstream are willing to debate cannabis in regards to raising phenomenal taxes, yet they completely neglect the medicinal benefits of the plant. I'm quite happy smoking my weed with it being illegal - in fact, that's probably why I enjoy it. So to be quite honest, I'd rather is stayed 'illegal' - why the f*** should the big guns benefit from yet another source of income? Sure, the stigma attached to smoking cannabis and having to jump through hoops to smoke it without getting caught is a pain, a massive pain. But the worst of all would be to pay tax on it and have it legalized.

They will never, ever, ever want to legalize cannabis for medicinal reasons. For me, that's enough clout to tell them to back off from the cannabis!
part of legalising cannabis would allow small scale growth for personal use

picture this....millions of brits becoming cannabis gardeners...growing and nurturing their own wee herb gardens

Our society has become increasingly disconnected from wider nature and from the medicine cabinet that is the fields and forests.

So you'd be able to grow your own and smoke it without needing to worry about getting busted for it
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No regulation; just abolish all laws against it. The economy will grow just by people being able to grow their own.
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part of legalising cannabis would allow small scale growth for personal use

picture this....millions of brits becoming cannabis gardeners...growing and nurturing their own wee herb gardens

Our society has become increasingly disconnected from wider nature and from the medicine cabinet that is the fields and forests.

So you'd be able to grow your own and smoke it without needing to worry about getting busted for it
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Yeah that's never going to happen, allowing brits to grow their own weed? That would A) Disrupt their tax income B) Allow people a free mind C) Since they are the ones actually providing the cannabis at it's highest level, allowing us to grow our own takes away from their profit margins. I love the idea but as I said, I'm quite happy smoking it illegally. The legality of drugs has 0 impact on the user, when the government will realize this, who knows.
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No regulation; just abolish all laws against it. The economy will grow just by people being able to grow their own.
A number either won't want to grow their own or couldn't afford to - be it in time and/or money. So some regulations would be needed. If people want to grow masses of plants on their land then that should be up to them
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:49 AM   #11
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Yeah that's never going to happen, allowing brits to grow their own weed? That would A) Disrupt their tax income B) Allow people a free mind C) Since they are the ones actually providing the cannabis at it's highest level, allowing us to grow our own takes away from their profit margins. I love the idea but as I said, I'm quite happy smoking it illegally. The legality of drugs has 0 impact on the user, when the government will realize this, who knows.
it's in the article above....small scale growing for personal use

The illegality does have an effect on the end user. If the user doesn't grow it then they don't know what they are getting. They don't know if toxic chemicals have been used in the process or if anything is added to bulk out the gear. People tamper with the plants to create skunk strains with unnatural levels of THC in them

For example a lot of hash comes over from morocco and because it has a higher chance of being busted its mixed with soap by the berber tribesmen and coloured with henna hence its street name 'soap'

It gives a horrible mongy high in total contrast to the squidgey hash you'll get in morroco itself called '00' which will leave you clear headed and willing and able to walk about, socialise and do stuff whilst laughing your ass off
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A number either won't want to grow their own or couldn't afford to - be it in time and/or money. So some regulations would be needed. If people want to grow masses of plants on their land then that should be up to them
Growing is cheaper than buying though so that doesn't make sense. And why would that require regulation? Do you feel a need to be regulated when you buy vegetables from a farmer?
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Preclinical data is not a substitute for controlled human trials. We can't and shouldn't base claims of efficacy, or even safety, on a plausible mechanism and this preclinical data. What we have so far is sufficient justification for Phase I clinical trials in humans for certain types of cancer, and nothing more. Mind you a number of trials are already ongoing and more will start soon.

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With all of that said keep in mind that there is around a 92% failure rate for all oncology drugs http://adrclinresearch.com/Issues_in...201_v12L_a.pdf

Another terrible post. You act like it's a "new drug." I'm pretty sure we should be far beyond "testing" to "see if it is safe" by now.
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1 billion is a massive underestimate I would think.
Even though the number of personal use growers would increase, the revenue for the tax paid on their grow equipment, tax on the electricity for indoor grows, tax on the nutrients etc etc etc would make up for them not paying tax on their 'government weed' tax.
Then there is the tax on all the pipes and bongs and vapourisers etc

Also the tax on the drug test kits for employers, the tax trickle is endless.

Legal pot high probably reduces the paranoia effect too?

I hope its legalised but I wont hold my breath too long, just hold it till I start coughing.
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Edit : Growing cheaper than buying..
Not everyone lives in their own property or has garden/room space to grow enough to support their households requirement.
Initial outlay for setup isn't available for people who live hand to mouth.
I suspect a lot of green fingered people would try to cash in and get done for unregistered dealing / tax avoidance.
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Edit : Growing cheaper than buying..
Not everyone lives in their own property or has garden/room space to grow enough to support their households requirement.
Initial outlay for setup isn't available for people who live hand to mouth.
I suspect a lot of green fingered people would try to cash in and get done for unregistered dealing / tax avoidance.
i think there would be lots of tax revenue even if many people did grow their own

many people would smoke out at cafes to be social as long as the costs were reasonable

Then there is the medical side which could produce more tax revenue as well as all the other uses of the plant for example clothes, paper, soap, shampoo etc
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I wouldn't hold your breath, either way it'll take years , the speed they move.

Meanwhile people on the edges of the system have a great opportunity to have an easy income , with low risk . In many areas of the UK home growers are not prosecuted if their set up is not too large... the financial rewards are high, and it's a really great past time , requiring not much work.

Read up on it... NFT with led lights (available on eBay) , start with a small area , not more than 4sq meters.

I have years of experience in this , ask me questions.
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I just found out that its already legal in North Korea!
I'll have to remember that for next time I'm hearing about suppression of people.

Growing your own weed is great an all, but what used to be a smoke before bed time can easily spiral into only smoking splifs, which for an addicted tobacco smoker can be a constant state of haze when you have unlimited access to quality crystal covered buds.

Openly growing would attract burglars near harvest time.
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I just found out that its already legal in North Korea!
I'll have to remember that for next time I'm hearing about suppression of people.

Growing your own weed is great an all, but what used to be a smoke before bed time can easily spiral into only smoking splifs, which for an addicted tobacco smoker can be a constant state of haze when you have unlimited access to quality crystal covered buds.

Openly growing would attract burglars near harvest time.
use a vapourisor and then you don't have to use tobacco

robbers won't need to steal they'll just grow their own

it would reduce crime because the supply would no longer be in the hands of criminals
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Please explain how growing a plant is illegal?
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