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Old 23-04-2011, 06:17 PM   #1
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Default My thoughts on what people call reincarnation

I dont think your material identity survives at all. I think the body computers false identity is destroyed and a new body is created to bring forth the infinite consciousness. I think Its memories of past attempts to incarnate are what people confuse as reincarnation but the fact as I believe(theorize) it to be is that The infinite spirit was never incarnated in the here and now and the material shell is of absolutely no consequence in any way.

I believe(theorize) That what powers the human computer is justifiable as a false positive (in terminology) because when it dies it no longer posesses the power of the infinite self and the left over energy of the consciousness ( the bound for "hell" consciousness) will eventually become inert.

I think thats the whole point of what we term wicked and evil, a repository of soon to be inert false consciousness.
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Old 23-04-2011, 07:17 PM   #2
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is the theory of reincarnation just used to keep the boggy man at the door because the self can not deal with the idea it will cease to be
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Old 23-04-2011, 07:35 PM   #3
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is the theory of reincarnation just used to keep the boggy man at the door because the self can not deal with the idea it will cease to be
i think the misunderstanding of reincarnation is like a soothing sedative to people who havent grasped materializing the infinite being in their current incarnation.
All the body is, is a computation device capable of realizing the software provided by the infinite and upgrading it into their current manifestation in totality.
Meaning that among thousands or millions of attempts to seed the infinite into an identity, it only takes one to realize that and manifest it.

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I think all the personalities, likes, dislikes, fears, aspirations, memories, experiences etc accrue and accumulate with each incarnation all of which shape the soul to some extent. I agree with you about the body; if I didn't take this body then another soul would have, it's just a vehicle, right? But it's a vehicle which is shaped by our personality, experiences and lifestyle.
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I've always thought every life is our past life.
When I learned that some people feel compelled to claim individual lives from the past it makes me want to slap the shit out of them.

You are 1 infinite eternal consciousness just like the rest of us. STFU.

I was cleopatra in my former life blah blah blah. GFYS ye fkn toolbag.
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Old 23-04-2011, 08:14 PM   #6
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I've always thought every life is our past life.
When I learned that some people feel compelled to claim individual lives from the past it makes me want to slap the shit out of them.

You are 1 infinite eternal consciousness just like the rest of us. STFU.

I was cleopatra in my former life blah blah blah. GFYS ye fkn toolbag.
That annoys the piss out of me as well. It made me want to discount "reincarnation" altogether. technically its not reincarnation at all since the infinite seed remains in the attempt to manifest in the body fully.

I think its infinite incarnation more than anything until the point where the material body and infinite seed consciousness are in perfect harmony , then that seed consciousness no longer requires any more material iterations.

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Rather than reincarnation maybe it's multiple-similtaneous incarnations.

Someone had to have been Cleopatra.
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Old 23-04-2011, 08:22 PM   #8
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Rather than reincarnation maybe it's multiple-similtaneous incarnations. Someone had to have been Cleopatra.
And there is an adequate point considering paralell universe theory. Also the multiple dimensions, wether it be E8 or striing theory/Mtheory. There is a whole magnitude of potential experience being gathered by the infinite consciousness that powers us.
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persistent incarnation , I think would be a better term than reincarnation, but I think over 40k years a term like that would be under the same rules of perversion in meaning as reincarnation has been. I do Thinks its reasonable reincarnation was intended to have a similar definition as mine.

Another term is persistent reitteration.

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And there is an adequate point considering paralell universe theory. Also the multiple dimensions, wether it be E8 or striing theory/Mtheory. There is a whole magnitude of potential experience being gathered by the infinite consciousness that powers us.
Why would the infinite consciousness need to do so in the first place? It is infinite.

Infinity =/= acausality

Not saying that this infinite consciousness isn't real, just that our daily life in this illusory place of causal laws is finite, and therefore empowering itself as long as we ascribe it meaning. Infinite consciousness can permeate this universe, just as it can be outside of it and not do so.

One way that David Icke points this out is in the book "Infinite Love..." where it says that not even the laws of gravity are real, they just appear to be so because we think they are (see veil-of-amnesia, holographic reality and so on).

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Why would the infinite consciousness need to do so in the first place? It is infinite.

Infinity =/= acausality

Not saying that this infinite consciousness isn't real, just that our daily life in this illusory place of causal laws is finite, and therefore empowering itself as long as we ascribe it meaning. Infinite consciousness can permeate this universe, just as it can be outside of it and not do so.

One way that David Icke points this out is in the book "Infinite Love..." where it says that not even the laws of gravity are real, they just appear to be so because we think they are (see veil-of-amnesia, holographic reality and so on).
Infinite consciousness just experiences through manifestation , in my theory , awaiting its actualization into identity or manifestation into temporal identity.
So if there are an infinite number of universes where I exist That seed consciousness is witness to all of them. becaue it permeates everything it witnesses or experiences everything. so its not that it needs to its that by its existence it just does.
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Infinite consciousness just experiences through manifestation , in my theory , awaiting its actualization into identity or manifestation into temporal identity.
So if there are an infinite number of universes where I exist That seed consciousness is witness to all of them. becaue it permeates everything it witnesses or experiences everything. so its not that it needs to its that by its existence it just does.
Cool. I've got nothing to add to that, at least not at the moment, since it's basically what I think too .


sloppy edit: Kudos to ya for creating these kinds of threads right now, by the way. It feels as if they are needed for balance on the DIF (and I always enjoy reading your verbal musings about this stuff )

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Old 23-04-2011, 10:55 PM   #13
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Cool. I've got nothing to add to that, at least not at the moment, since it's basically what I think too .


sloppy edit: Kudos to ya for creating these kinds of threads right now, by the way. It feels as if they are needed for balance on the DIF (and I always enjoy reading your verbal musings about this stuff )
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Old 24-04-2011, 04:17 AM   #14
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I learned that chronological reincarnation is the catalyst of evolution in the
Universe. In the spiritworld, time doesn't really exist.. and it appears to go
much faster in some way I haven't understood yet. What I learned is that in
the spirit world, souls cannot experience their individuality as intently as in
a physical environment.

Only during a physical or semi physical reincarnation can the soul experience
reality in a time that is slowed down enough to be aware of every moment
and learn from it.

To look at the past and the future, and learn from it. I've not completely
understood this concept, I have trouble fully understanding the behaviour
of time in the spirit world, I must admit, but what I know is that souls can
only learn if they are incarnated in a physical or semi physical environment.

Add to that all the scientific research done that has successfully proven
the existence of chronological reincarnation, research done by doctors and
scientists alike.

They went to people that could remember a past life, and if that person did
not have contact with the people of his past life yet, they ask a whole lot
of questions, and then go to the past life family, then there they will check
whether everything the rememberee (?) remembers, checks out.

The most interesting cases are those where the rememberee has marks on
his body that cannot be explained by science.. marks of unknown identity,
like scars, even though the person never got wounded in this life or dark
spots that aren't birthmarks or anything scientists know of.

Then they will try to check the medical records of the person's past life, and
notice how the person died. If the person died of stab wounds, these are the
more easy cases to verify. They take a copy of the victims body and records
and return to the rememberee. Then they will check if the stab wounds are
at the same places as the scars and spots on the person's current body, and
they always are.

There is nothing that can explain this phenomenon except the existence of
chronological reincarnation. Most of the scientists I spoke of ventured out
to disprove the concept of reincarnation, because they didn't understand
why the majority of people in the world believe in it so strongly.

But they all ended up becoming believers. The evidence they found was so
compelling, especially the stab wounds matching exactly with the marks on
the current body, prove that reincarnation is real, and that the rememberee
doesn't just tap into a collective human memory complex.

The memory complex could explain people remembering past lives, but it can
not explain the physical evidence, the only explanation is reincarnation being
real.

Reading up on this subject was most intruiging, I already knew reincarnation
was real simply because my heart connection identifies it as absolute truth,
and there aren't many absolute truths in the Universe. But reading all that
research and those books with the individual cases, showed me that even
the scientific community is starting to realize chronological reincarnation is
real.

Add to that the evidence researchers aqcuired about the consciousness
surviving death, an immortal consciousness so to speak, and consciousness
not originating from the brain, adds even more credibility to the scientists
and doctors reincarnation research.

It's still not a subject that can be scrutinized under a microscope, but the
physical evidence creates an extremely compelling case. If cold scientists,
who used to believe in nothing but science, are persuaded by their own
research to believe in chronological reincarnation, there must be something
to it, no?

Personally I feel reincarnation is one of the solid truths that can be relied
on, a cornerstone, a pillar that sustains the continued evolution of souls in
the Universe, one of the only absolute truths.

That last paragraph is just my view of course, not a fact.

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Old 24-04-2011, 04:34 AM   #15
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I learned that chronological reincarnation is the catalyst of evolution in the
Universe. In the spiritworld, time doesn't really exist.. and it appears to go
much faster in some way I haven't understood yet. What I learned is that in
the spirit world, souls cannot experience their individuality as intently as in
a physical environment.

Only during a physical or semi physical reincarnation can the soul experience
reality in a time that is slowed down enough to be aware of every moment
and learn from it.

To look at the past and the future, and learn from it. I've not completely
understood this concept, I have trouble fully understanding the behaviour
of time in the spirit world, I must admit, but what I know is that souls can
only learn if they are incarnated in a physical or semi physical environment.

Add to that all the scientific research done that has successfully proven
the existence of chronological reincarnation, research done by doctors and
scientists alike.

They went to people that could remember a past life, and if that person did
not have contact with the people of his past life yet, they ask a whole lot
of questions, and then go to the past life family, then there they will check
whether everything the rememberee (?) remembers, checks out.

The most interesting cases are those where the rememberee has marks on
his body that cannot be explained by science.. marks of unknown identity,
like scars, even though the person never got wounded in this life or dark
spots that aren't birthmarks or anything scientists know of.

Then they will try to check the medical records of the person's past life, and
notice how the person died. If the person died of stab wounds, these are the
more easy cases to verify. They take a copy of the victims body and records
and return to the rememberee. Then they will check if the stab wounds are
at the same places as the scars and spots on the person's current body, and
they always are.

There is nothing that can explain this phenomenon except the existence of
chronological reincarnation. Most of the scientists I spoke of ventured out
to disprove the concept of reincarnation, because they didn't understand
why the majority of people in the world believe in it so strongly.

But they all ended up becoming believers. The evidence they found was so
compelling, especially the stab wounds matching exactly with the marks on
the current body, prove that reincarnation is real, and that the rememberee
doesn't just tap into a collective human memory complex.

The memory complex could explain people remembering past lives, but it can
not explain the physical evidence, the only explanation is reincarnation being
real.

Reading up on this subject was most intruiging, I already knew reincarnation
was real simply because my heart connection identifies it as absolute truth,
and there aren't many absolute truths in the Universe. But reading all that
research and those books with the individual cases, showed me that even
the scientific community is starting to realize chronological reincarnation is
real.

Add to that the evidence researchers aqcuired about the consciousness
surviving death, an immortal consciousness so to speak, and consciousness
not originating from the brain, adds even more credibility to the scientists
and doctors reincarnation research.

It's still not a subject that can be scrutinized under a microscope, but the
physical evidence creates an extremely compelling case. If cold scientists,
who used to believe in nothing but science, are persuaded by their own
research to believe in chronological reincarnation, there must be something
to it, no?

Personally I feel reincarnation is one of the solid truths that can be relied
on, a cornerstone, a pillar that sustains the continued evolution of souls in
the Universe, one of the only absolute truths.

That last paragraph is just my view of course, not a fact.
Very nice post Zsymon. Thank you for sharing that. My husband has odd large areas on his back/side that have even, very light brown pigmentation so it looks like someone stained those parts of him with tea. I have always thought they looked like where he had been burned in a past life. He has no memories of it though.
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i have very prominent strange whip marks all along my back, like you see with slaves who've been beaten.... but no one has ever whipped me, its very strange...could this be part of a past life???
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i have very prominent strange whip marks all along my back, like you see with slaves who've been beaten.... but no one has ever whipped me, its very strange...could this be part of a past life???
Of course.. many people have unexplainable marks on their body, these are
wounds from previous lives. The emotional impact of the past life event is
also a prominent factor in the imprinting of physical events into the soul.
Meaning that some of the wounds we sustain physically, also wounds the
soul.. and these wounds, if intensified by emotional past life distress, will
manifest physically on the body in the current life.
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I have several same-size/proportional triangular marks/spots in arms and body, they are like the predators laser...


Maybe, I was Adrien Brody in a past life.
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I have several same-size/proportional triangular marks/spots in arms and body, they are like the predators laser...


Maybe, I was Adrien Brody in a past life.
Triangular? Triangles? DOn't you know that makes you Illumaniti-by-association? REPENT
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I have several same-size/proportional triangular marks/spots in arms and body, they are like the predators laser...


Maybe, I was Adrien Brody in a past life.
Some people still carry wounds from other planets. Sometimes the darkness
managed to invade and destroy all life on a Light planet, meaning they won.
Then the Light souls of that planet find another solar system where their
skills could be needed, or if they are badly wounded, a solar system that is
in a condition to allow healing of such wounds.

One of my friends had a past life memory of being a planet that was being
invaded by reptilian warriors. He tried to hide in a hangar, but the reptilian
used his psychic ability to seek him out and choke him remotely.. then he
he went up to his hiding place and blew him through the head with some
kind of lazer weapon.

Reptilians all around him were using weapons that spewed huge clouds of
deadly gas, others had flamethrowers or large lazers that could cut a house
in half.

My friend had a really hard time dealing with remembering the emotions of
that past life memory, he said it was pure adrenaline and fear rushing thru
his veins, and the feeling he got when he was remotely choked was as if
pure darkness and fear energy flooded into his body.

When I had my blocks remoted, I still had blocks from another planet as
well, blocks that were unable to be healed for maybe 60 billion years, since
it takes a Light planet that hasn't too much Light yet because the imprints
of the soul wounds would make the body unable to handel the Light and it
would die. So the planet has to be in a situation that Earth is in, between
now and about 70 years.

So for a wounded soul to have his wounds healed, he has to find that 70
year window in the exact right planet, and find an body to incarnate in, as
there are many more that also need a body. So having your blocks removed
finally is a majorly important event in the life of a soul, because often they
have carried those wounds for hundreds of billions of years.. and even tho
the Light world of a Light solar system suppresses the effects of wounds
and blocks, they are still restricted in what they can do in the Light world.

For example a badly wounded soul in the Light spirit world, cannot act as
an ancestral guide for his soul family, he's forced to just watch and do the
little work he can that are within his capabilities, until he finds the chance
to find a body so he can incarnate, and then find a healer to have the
blocks and wounds healed and removed. I was one of those souls, and I
got real lucky when I accidentally stumbled on a past life block healer on
the internet. A way to recognize the real ones is the fact that they never
charge money or accept donations for their healing work.. there are not
many of them yet, but in the future more will come, and someday in the
future, when the Light is at a certain intensity, people will be able to get
rid of their own blocks.
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