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His wisdom will be great. He will make atonement for all the children of His generation...His Word shall be as the Word of Heaven and His teaching shall be according to the will of God. His eternal sun shall burn brilliantly and its fire will give warmth to all the ends of the earth."
- The Words of Levi 4Q541 Frag. 9 1.2-4


The Jesus of Theology

325 C.E. marks a pivotal event in the history of Christianity. The Roman emperor Constantine I summoned more than 250 bishops to Nicea in Turkey to resolve a rancorous dispute which was threatening to disrupt the newly won peace of his empire. While all the bishops agreed that Jesus was the Son of God, they disagreed on whether he had existed with God before the beginning of time (as the Alexandrians believed); or had been created later and was subordinate to God (a position popularized by Arius of Antioch).

Constantine, still an unbaptized pagan at the time, decided in favor of the pre-existence of Jesus. In addition he demanded that the bishops add to the creed (drawn up by Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea) that Christ was "of one substance" (homoousion in Greek) with the Father. It was theologically necessary that God himself had become mortal in order to make the hope that mortals may obtain eternal life more believable. Under pressure of banishment, the council agreed with only two dissenting votes. The true nature of the Son of God was now an ineffable mystery beyond human understanding.


The Jesus of History

Through the intervening centuries between then and now, the Nicene creed has remained the basic and unassailable doctrine of Christian faith. Jesus' sacrificial death gave man the key to salvation and his teachings and deeds were of secondary importance. It is only in modern times that any serious attempts have been made to learn about the Jesus of history. Somewhere between the messianic expectations of the Jews and the high christology of Paul was a real person who breathed and ate and was concerned with the daily tasks of living like the rest of us. Yet he made a profound impact on others, enough to gain a devoted, even fanatical, following and to earn the enmity of those who would engineer his death.


The Real Jesus? is a critical examination into the life and times of Jesus. If we dare to look truthfully through the accumulated centuries of obfuscation and mystery, what will we uncover about Jesus the man? What did he really say and do? And, more importantly, is there anything we can learn from the historical Jesus that will give us a new perspective on our lives today?

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Ancient Traditions of the Messiah
The Annointed One
(1) Descendents of Aaron

"The word 'Messiah' comes from the Hebrew verb 'to anoint', which itself is derived from the Egyptian word messeh, 'the holy crocodile'. It was with the fat of the messeh that the Pharaoh's sister-brides anointed their husbands on marriage. The Egyptian custom sprang from kingly practice in old Mesopotamia."
- Sir Laurence Gardner, "The Hidden History of Jesus and the Holy Grail" (from a lecture given at the Ranch, Yelm, Washington, 30 April 1997)

"Remarkably and characteristically, the term Mashiah - of which 'Messiah' is the Anglicized form - had preceded the Messianic concept by many centuries. Originally, in Biblical usage, it simply meant 'anointed', and referred to Aaron and his sons, who were anointed with oil and thereby consecrated to the service of God."
- Raphael Patai, The Messiah Texts

"And you shall put them upon Aaron your brother, and upon his sons with him, and shall anoint them and ordain them and consecrate them, that they may serve me as priests."
- Exodus 28:41

"The legitimacy of the priesthood...was supposed to descend lineally from Aaron through the Tribe of Levi. Thus, throughout the Old Testament, the priesthood is the unique preserve of the Levites. The Levite high priests who attend David and Solomon are referred to as 'Zadok'- though it is not clear whether this is a personal name or an hereditary title."
- Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy

Zadok or Sadduc means "Righteous One" and is symbolized by TZADDIK - one of the two pillars which, according to Knight and Lomas, stood at the doorway to Qumran). Two gigantic bronze pillars flanked the entrance to the Temple of Solomon.

"The doorway was created by the pillars of 'tsedeq' ['righteousness' - always doing good to others] and mishpat' ['judgment'- divinely appointed order] with the holy arch of 'shalom' ['peace' - prosperity, success, general well-being]."

"When these two spiritual pillars are in place with the Teacher of Righteousness (tsedeq) on the left hand of God and the earthly Davidic King (mishpat) on his right hand, the archway of Yahweh's rule will be in place with the keystone of 'shalom' locking everything together at its center.
"It was clear from our readings that 'tsedeq' was for Canaanites a term associated with the sun god. The Canaanite sun god was seen as the great judge who watched over the world, righted wrongs and shone light unto the dark doings of hidden crimes."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

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The Messianic Elite

The Communities of the Scrolls

(1) The Habakkuk Pesher
The Wicked Priest

"The city is Jerusalem in which the wicked priest did works of abomination and defiled the Temple of God."
- lQpHab 12.7-9

The Habakkuk Pesher "describes the struggle between the Teacher of Righteousness and his opponents - the Man of Lies (termed the Spouter or Preacher of Lies) and the Wicked Priest. The Spouter is pictured as heading a community. The dispute between the Teacher and the Spouter is seems to have been based on matters of religious interpretation and law. The Wicked Priest is said to have begun his rule in truth but then to have abandoned the way of truth. He then persecutes the Teacher, confronting him on the holiest day of the year, the Day of Atonement."
- Lawrence H. Schiffman, Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls

Outcasts in the Desert
"After they failed in their initial attempts, exemplified by the Halakhic Letter, to reconcile and win over the Hasmoneans and the remaining Jerusalem Sadducees to their own system of Temple practice, the Qumran Zadokites gradually developed the sectarian mentality of the despised, rejected, and abandoned outcast. Accordingly, they began to look upon themselves as the true Israel, condemning and despising all others."
- Lawrence H. Schiffman, "Origin and Early History of the Qumran Sect"

"That priestly led group withdrew from Jerusalem's Temple to a 'monastery' on the Dead Sea's northwest coast, judging that the Temple was polluted after the usurpation of the high priesthood by the Hasmonean rulers, Jonathan and Simon, between 152 and 134 B.C.E."
- John Dominic Crossan, The Historical Jesus, The Life of a Mediterranean Peasant (1991)

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"Jesus" is here!!

He/she are all chllin together now!

Yes. Jesus was "The Man".

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El "was known as the Creator God, the Kindly One, the Compassionate One. He expressed the concept of ordered government and social justice. It is noteworthy that the Bible never stigmatizes the Canaanite worship of El, whose authority in social affairs was recognized by the Patriarchs. His consort was Asherah, the mother goddess, represented in Canaanite sanctuaries by a natural or stylized tree (Hebrew ashera).
- Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

In Canaan, the king "is described as 'the Servant of El', as King David was 'the Servant of God'. This describes the status of the king as the executive of the will of the divine king. This duty is understood to be a privilege as well as a burden."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

"All names like Ishmael, Michael and Israel are theophoric in form - that is to say, the suffix element (-ilu or -el) represents a divine name, in this case the paramount god El. But during the reign of Ebrum, Dr Pettinato noted a change in the theophoric element, from -el to -ya(w), so that Mi-ka-ilu became Mi-ka-ya(w) and so on. It is quite clear that both of the endings are divine names, either names of gods or words simply meaning 'god'; so it looks as if Ebrum made some major alteration in the religion of Ebla at this time. Whether -ya(w) is related to the Biblical Yahweh, the one God of Israel whose name replace the earlier form of El, is a matter for debate..."
- Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

"We sometimes find the most surprising survival of Canaanite mythology in monotheistic Israel. An example is the conception of God as president of a court of the gods, bene'el, whether thought of as a divine guild or as the divine family, 'el here of course of a proper name, El (God) the King Paramount. The psalm in Deuteronomy 32 begins by rating Israel for her lapses from the faith and ends with the assurance of the destruction of her enemies. The history of Israel is depicted as originating in the apportionment of Israel to her God Yahweh by the Most High in the assembly of 'the sons of El' (so the ancient Greek version for the meaningless Hebrew 'the sons of Israel', a desperate effort to avoid embarrassment). The date of this poem is a matter of dispute. The condemnation of Israel's gross apostasy, the statement of the divine chastisement and particularly the assurance of relief and the affliction of her enemies is reminiscent of the framework of the narratives of the great Judges in Judges 3:7-12:6, which may be dated c.900 B.C. Deuteronomy 32:8 f then represents the first stage of the Israelite adaptation of the conception of God's presidency of the divine court from Canaanite mythology. The conception of God simply as first among divine peers was not one with which Israel could remain long content, and was soon countered by the specific rebuke of the divine court."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

"God has taken His place in the assembly of the gods (lit. 'sons of El'),
He declares His judgment among the gods: '
How long will you give crooked judgment,
and favor the wicked?
You ought to sustain the case of the weak and the orphan;
You ought to vindicate the destitute and down-trodden
You ought to rescue the weak and the poor,
To deliver them from the power of the wicked
You (Hebrew 'they') walk in darkness
While all earth's foundations are giving away.
I declare 'Gods you may be,
Sons of the Most high, all of you;
Yet you shall die as men,
You shall fall as one of the bright ones."
- Psalm 82:1-7

"In the final line we read sharim for sarim ('princes'), from which it is indistinguishable in the Hebrew manuscripts, and find another reference to the fall of Athtar the bright Venus star in Isaiah 14:12 ff and in the myth of Baal."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

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Yahweh, the God of Israel

"In the Middle Bronze age, groups of Canaanites moved into northern Egypt and established a local dynasty called the Hyksos, who eventually took over the whole of Egypt. Only in the Late Bronze Age, in about 1550 BC, did the Egyptian pharaohs expel the Hyksos, launch a military campaign against Canaan, and bring it under Egyptian control. Egypt imposed heavy taxes on Canaan, but in return the Canaanite cities gained security and better access to international markets. In the reign of Ramses II (1304-1237 BC), the empire was reorganized. Key strategic cities like Beth Shan and Gaza were strengthened, others were allowed to decline. Many people were made homeless and migrated to the Judean hill country, where they established small farming settlements. These dispossessed Canaanites, known to the Egyptians as Hapiru (or Hebrews), formed the basis of what was to become Israel."
- Bible Lands

"...A popular theory among Biblical scholars today is that Israel emerged from peoples indigenous to Canaan in the mid 12th century BC. If this is true, then Biblical history and chronology prior to ca. 1150 BC would have to be jettisoned. Proponents of the '12th century emergence theory' maintain that the Israelites did not come into Canaan from outside to conquer the land around 1400 BC, as the Bible indicates. The emergence scenario would also reject the historicity of the Wilderness Wanderings, Exodus, Egyptian Sojourn and the Patriarchal narratives. However, if Israel were an established entity in Canaan already in 1210 BC, as the Merneptah Stela implies, then the 12th century emergence theory would be refuted (Bimson 1991, 'Merenptah's Israel and recent Theories of Israelite Origins'. Journal for the Study of the Old Testament 49: 3-29). If Israel was well established by the end of the 13th century, it could not have come into being in the middle of the next century."
- Bryant G. Wood of Associates for Biblical Research, "The Merneptah Stela"

"....Israel was initially an association of villages in the Bethel and Samaria hills from about 1230 BCE. This group of people possessed oral traditions about a common ancestor, Jacob, and stories about the struggles of tribal leaders with Canaanite cities (cp. Genesis 34, Judges 4-5 and 9, and possibly Joshua 9 and 12). The villages may also have been united by faith in Yahweh, who had delivered the ancestors of some of those now settled in Canaan from slavery in Egypt. Among these people there was probably a group who were custodians of the stories about the Exodus and who observed the Passover. Judah was a separate entity with traditions about an ancestor, Abraham, who had settled in the Hebron area, and traditions about tribal leaders who had fought against Canaanite cities (cp. Judges 1: 11-17, and possibly Joshua 10). We are not suggesting that the traditions as now written down in the Old Testament are identical with their oral form or content in the period 1230 to 1050 BCE."
- John Rogerson and Philip Davies, The Old Testament World

The Protoindo European god Yayash, Yaë or Yave, a protective god whose symbol was a tree, signifying possibly '"walking", "going", "a pilgrim", has been dated back to the Indus River valley, circa 2900 B.C.E. He has been identified with the Turko Syrian Yahveh, a "sacred animal or organization".

"Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush."

"A shorter form, 'Yah', was also used (Exodus 15:2) and some scholars believe that this is the older form, originating in an exclamation to God - 'Yah!' - which came to be accepted as the divine name. Others claim that it is from the root 'hayah', 'to be' or 'to become', and that it meant 'I am that I am' or I will be that I will be'. According to one tradition of the call of Moses, the divine name Yahweh was revealed to him in Egypt:"
- Great Events of Bible Times

"To Abraham, Isaac and Jacob I appeared as El Shaddai, but I did not make the name Yahweh known to them'."
- Exodus 6:3


"Every Egyptian magician...believed that he who possessed the true name possessed the very being of god or man, and could force even a deity to obey him as a slave obeys his master. Thus the art of the magician consisted in obtaining from the gods a revelation of their sacred names, and he left no stone unturned to accomplish his end."
- Sir James Frazer, The Golden Bough

"God instructed Moses that he should return to Egypt in order to lead his people out of their bondage there. Before agreeing, however, the prophet asked the name of the strange and powerful being who had addressed him ['in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush']....The Lord, however did not respond directly to the prophet's question. Instead he replied briefly and enigmatically with these words: "I AM WHO I AM'. By way of further clarification he then added: 'I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob' [Exodus 3:14 and 3:6]."
- Graham Hancock, The Sign and the Seal

"To the Hebrew mind the 'name' stands for 'nature', and in answer to Moses' plea to be given an immediate sight of God, God promises to reveal just as much of his 'nature' that mortal man could bear."
- Marshall Cavendish, Genesis & Exodus

In Exodus "God was no longer simply 'El' (plural 'Elohim'), but YHWH ('I am that I am'), which in the Authorized Version was transliterated as 'Jehovah' by combining the Hebrew consonants and the vowels of the Hebrew word for 'Lord' when excessive reverence had made later Jews reluctant to pronounce the divine name itself, nowadays called Yahweh. The covenant with Yahweh elevated the concept of worship from a hopeful appeasement of the willful and haphazard forces of nature to a dynamic and determined arrangement with none other than the sole creator of the universe." - Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family: Y represented El the Father; H was Asherah the Mother; W corresponded to He the Son; and H was the Daughter Anath."
- Laurence Gardner, Bloodline of the Holy Grail, p. 18

"When all the people witnessed the thunder and lighting, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking, they were afraid and trembled and stood at a distance..."
- Exodus 20:18

"As specifically the name of the Covenant God, it was thereafter used of the Israelite deity, often in contrast with the gods of other peoples. With the Covenant, Yahweh had adopted Israel as his people and, as a jealous god, demanded total allegiance from them. They were to worship no other god but Yahweh. Much later, the Jewish exiles in Babylon were given an explicit statement of Yahwistic monotheism. 'I am Yahweh, and there is no other, there is no other god but me'(Isaiah 45:5)."
- Great Events of Bible Times
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An New Eschatology

The "Evil One"
"After the Exile of the Jewish people and later through contacts with Jews of the Diaspora in many parts of the Mediterranean world, Zoroastrian concepts influenced Jewish thought. Certain ideas about last things, salvation, and Satan (the Evil One) stem from Zoroastrianism."
- Ninian Smart, The Religious Experience of Mankind

"The Babylonian Captivity had exposed the Jews to the Zoroastrian pantheon, with its good gods headed by Ahura Mazda ('God of Light' [more correctly 'Lord of Wisdom']) and its bad god headed by Ahura Manah or Ahriman ('God of Darkness' [Ahriman is Pahlavi for Angra Mainyu - 'Deceitful Spirit']). This led to the belief that the prolonged overlordship that outlasted the captivity was the fault of the bad gods, rebel messengers who has refused to obey Yahweh's orders.

"Alternative versions of the seraphs' original disobedience were postulated, the most popular being that they were the sons of the gods who had sired the giants by illegally recreating with mortal women. Such rebels had to have a leader, and since the concept of a divine antagonist, a Jewish Ahriman, had been assimilated before there was any speculation as to the antagonist's identity, he was simply styled the Enemy (ha-stan). The first reference to the Enemy as a male in Jewish mythology was made by Zechariah in 520 BCE."
- William Harwood, Mythologies Last Gods: Yahweh and Jesus

The War Between Good and Evil

"The central importance of the king of Judah was demonstrated in their New Year rituals, which followed Egyptian and Babylonian models. Some of the most important ritual acts were intended to ensure that the king continued to rule, an example of this being a re-enactment by the king of the original battle of the triumph of the forces of light over the forces of darkness and chaos. The king and his priests chanted the 'Enuma elish' - the story that tells how the chaos-dragon Tiamat was overcome to allow the creation to take place."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

The Suffering Servant

"Behold, My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect whom My soul wanteth: I have put My spirit upon him; he shall send out justice to the nations."
-Isaiah 42:1 (Deutero-Isaiah 5th c. BCE)

"This great poet-prophet (Deutero-Isaiah) spoke repeatedly about the 'Servant of the Lord', describing the call, mission, sufferings, death and resurrection of this mysterious individual."
-Raphael Patai, The Messiah Texts

"He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. "
-Isaiah 53:3-6 (Deutero-Isaiah 5th c. BCE)
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Outcasts in the Desert
"After they failed in their initial attempts, exemplified by the Halakhic Letter, to reconcile and win over the Hasmoneans and the remaining Jerusalem Sadducees to their own system of Temple practice, the Qumran Zadokites gradually developed the sectarian mentality of the despised, rejected, and abandoned outcast. Accordingly, they began to look upon themselves as the true Israel, condemning and despising all others."
- Lawrence H. Schiffman, "Origin and Early History of the Qumran Sect"

"That priestly led group withdrew from Jerusalem's Temple to a 'monastery' on the Dead Sea's northwest coast, judging that the Temple was polluted after the usurpation of the high priesthood by the Hasmonean rulers, Jonathan and Simon, between 152 and 134 B.C.E."
- John Dominic Crossan, The Historical Jesus, The Life of a Mediterranean Peasant (1991)

References to withdrawing into the "wilderness" may have been meant allegorically. At any rate the destination could not have been Qumran.

"It is most likely that the descendants of Zerubbabel and his inner group known as the Hasidim left Jerusalem sometime between 187 BC and 152 BC."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

"The sectarians saw themselves as living a pristine life like that of the Israelites in the period of desert wandering. Further, they saw themselves as having gone into the desert to receive the Torah, just as Israel had in the period of the Exodus. All this is to be expected from a group that had left the more thickly settled areas of Judea to relocate in the wilderness, there to maintain its own standards of sanctity and purity."
- Lawrence H. Schiffman, "Origin and Early History of the Qumran Sect"

Teacher of Righteousness
"It appears that during an initial period-perhaps of twenty years-the sect was leaderless and perhaps even formless until the Teacher of Righteousness established his leadership over it."
- Lawrence H. Schiffman, "Origin and Early History of the Qumran Sect"

This information appears in the Damascus Document - Geniza manuscript A 1.4-10. (More on the Righteous Teacher can also be found at this link.)

"From pertinent hints and suggestions in both the Pesher and the Covenant, it appears that the Teacher began his oppositional career by preaching against the Jerusalem establishment, whom he accused of deceit, graft, exploitation of the poor, and failure to understand the true meaning of the prophetic writings.quot;
- Norman Golb, Who Wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls?, (1995) p. 91
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auron i have tried to get the best bits of each page. it shows us the real jesus/yashuah/yhwh and is completely different to the one elite try to con us with.

if he was alive today he would be with us, an outcaste of society, an opponent of the elite/clergy. he would be the ultimate rebel/teacher, anti establishment and egalitarian.
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Believe it or not...

Jesus just wanted peace on earth; for everybody.

That's the kinda guy that gets things done!!

He loves all the jokes too.
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Nice link i have been using it in my avatar over @unhived mind for the AVbelievers perusal, certainly fascinates me this period in time, read some good stuff in the Hiram Key a while back about the Mandeaens, early Jerusalem church, Yehshua and his brother James the just, egtting even a basic account of the history at that time throws the light on the, imo questionable, mythology of Jesus Christ, alot of interesting stuff on the egyptian mysteries and Yeshuah being an initiate of these mysteries.

RZA actually throws a lot of light on this subject in him RZArecting the "mentally dead" see intro to "Twelve Jewels", indeed the resurrection is symbolically represented in occult practices today.

Been checking out a little of the Amarna period in Egypt, relating it to roots of the old testament etc seeing if any of it fits whether Pharoes wrote the bible, whether the exodus tells of 18th dynasty Egypt is an interesting question would render the tribe of Israel descendents of Pharoes, shall be reading Freuds work on this subject in the next week..
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i got the link from unhived mind, old morrocco micky, lol
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micky, its good stuff this bro. whhen they use noted academic sources like flavius, detractors are left in a quandry. added to this hancock, enoch etc, the yeshuah/nazarite/essene/qumrum angle blows the myths of rome away.

i liked the tree as the symbol, its would i would choose.
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no wonder i wear timberland, lol or like this


i think its the tree of life/humanity/brain

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Old 09-10-2007, 11:50 PM   #13
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Seems theres alot of Saul of Tarsus derived theology in the New Testament, being a culmination of what was in Rome at the time, and had seeped in from throughout the colonies, catching flavours of Egyptian magic, Mithraism, Buddhism ad infinitum, the Mandaeans worshipping the bright star of the West, and the sacred land of Merica, St Clair landing in America a century before columbus, having secreted the knowledge of the archaological digs in Solomons temple conducted by the Knights Templar, funny how the past can shed light on the present, but the history surrounding the Old and New Testaments never fails...

Tree of Life is something i have also checked out the past few days a bit of Kabballah that people like Texe Marrs will telll you is evil and satanic, but simply because the AV believers fear and people in general fear what they can't or don't want to understand, i see the tree of life as a beautiful symbol and Kabbalah a system of self perfection, another subject i intend to explore at length, i am fascinated by mystery these days, life is a mystery but that needn't be a bad thing...
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its fear of the unknown and historic use of it what peoples off. i like the tree aspect. as for the mystic/kaballah aspect, its quite a technical/advanced thing, i don't know much about it.

the saul/paul is spot on, they had to have a religion that ticked all boxes, brought in all other religous followers under one religion. the empire needed galavanising, unting. rome had colonies everywhere, asia, africa, europe. to do this they incorporated aspects of all religions of that time to get the religion of the roman empire, which christianity is, henece the pope saying only catholic(universal) christianity is the real christianity, the wound to be soon healed. they created the modern bible, trinity, mithras version etc. thats why they have the power now, as they created the modern bible/nicea, they owned/colonised palestine/canaan in the days of yashuah, remember pontus pilate etc. then add in ignatius loyola/jesuits, columbus, they been running things since back in the day.

all road lead to rome. this why i still rate craig on his rome stuff.
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...the more one looks into Christianity it appears the only good thing to come of it is Eric Phelps continual hounding of the Jesuit Order.

p.s i got this book on kabbalah a very simplified explanation an intro to it's modern applications/uses so to speak:


Worth checking out if you get the chance.

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I've been looking into this for a while now, interesting stuff;

The Talmud Jmmanuel was discovered in Jerusalem in 1963, and ushers in the New Age while exposing the New Testament gospels as being more corrupt than even the Jesus Seminar suspects

In over 100 comparisons of parallel passages, the arguments pointing to Matthean dependence upon the TJ are seen to be difficult to reverse, and in all other instances the differences between the two are also consistent with TJ genuineness.

Tests for TJ genuineness are indirect because its original Aramaic scrolls were destroyed due to their heresies, and only the German translation survived.
From the TJ one sees that 19th-century scholars erred in assuming that Mark came before Matthew.




http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...arch&plindex=3

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"The Talmud Jmmanuel

Jerusalem, 1963 - A Greek Catholic priest, Isa Rashid, discovers a small cave in the slope of a nearby hill. His Swiss friend, "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier, removes the rubble partially obscuring the entryway, crawls inside, and exhumes a set of ancient scrolls wrapped in animal skin and encased in a dry, crumbly resin. Upon their examination, faded yet fully legible pages of Aramaic text reveal a 2,000-year-old biographical narrative of a man named Jmmanuel who devoted his life to teaching about the true nature of the universe, the immortality of the human spirit through reincarnation, and a way of life that is liberating and free from the illogical constraints of human greed and lust for power.

And this is the book that none of the major religions want you to read. Having translated 36 chapters of the scrolls from Aramaic to German, Isa Rashid ultimately paid with his life when he and his family were assassinated by the powers that be but not before 36 chapters were sent to his friend in Switzerland, who then assembled the text into the form presented in this book. (Meier's publishing of the Talmud Jmmanuel has been partially responsible for the 21 attempts on his own life.)

Discover what truly happened to Jmmanuel during his forty days and forty nights "in the desert." Learn who really was his betrayer and how he survived his brutal crucifixion. And read his ominous prophecies (some already fulfilled!) for the current times, his teachings about the human spirit and the self-determined path of human evolution - the true meaning of our lives."
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its fear of the unknown and historic use of it what peoples off. i like the tree aspect. as for the mystic/kaballah aspect, its quite a technical/advanced thing, i don't know much about it.

the saul/paul is spot on, they had to have a religion that ticked all boxes, brought in all other religous followers under one religion. the empire needed galavanising, unting. rome had colonies everywhere, asia, africa, europe. to do this they incorporated aspects of all religions of that time to get the religion of the roman empire, which christianity is, henece the pope saying only catholic(universal) christianity is the real christianity, the wound to be soon healed. they created the modern bible, trinity, mithras version etc. thats why they have the power now, as they created the modern bible/nicea, they owned/colonised palestine/canaan in the days of yashuah, remember pontus pilate etc. then add in ignatius loyola/jesuits, columbus, they been running things since back in the day.

all road lead to rome. this why i still rate craig on his rome stuff.
yep, I think it's true to say the Roman Empire merely rebranded itself to survive - senators became 'cardinals' - the Emperor became 'Pope' - and the empire rebranded as a 'church'

I tell people to look at Catholicism or 'Romanism' as a geo-political organisation (as Greg Symanski says) and not a religion as it's easier to conceive the problem and teh whole NWO takeover - plus the confessional became the perfect intelligence gathering system from kings to peasants
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