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Old 01-03-2010, 09:51 PM   #81
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Might be a bit easier to make a flint axe then to get a lawn mower blade off a lawnmower without the proper tools. Also it might work a bit better.

these skills are indeed valuable .
it was a remark I made earlier to "Time2wakeup" .

its fine knowing how to shoot a gun , once youve mastered it whats there to do ?
well one can then learn how to make tools with knives .
once that is mastered one can learn how to make tools from scratch , with nothing .
bare handed , straight , true , as you are kind if thing .

these skills are an excellent backup system for when others fail or when you find your self stuck with no equipment .

I dont claim them to be the saver of the world skills , but then , if we had stayed in tune with nature , maybe it could have been .

I dont claim that it out wits a gun , but then that could all depend on the person behind that gun , know what I mean ?

all survival skills are good to learn .
ALL !

and you are right , its fine having a lawnmower blade , but then you have to sharpen it , and also , what if there is no dump or tip , about ?

if you only know how to shoot a gun , and you have no other skills , ya buggered .

you have made a good point about that blade thing , its true .

one has to sharpen it to make is realy useful . Not many places in the wild to sharpen a lawnmower blade . one also has to find the right kind of rock to sharpen it on too .

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Old 01-03-2010, 09:53 PM   #82
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I made a thread in the survival section called -"living homeless" (May aswell plug it eh ) - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99907

And i think what you say there is right because alot of times you will find food from bins, weapons from rubbish, clothes from recycling centers ect............ The way i see it is use what ever resourses are to hand and that depends on your location aswell. Still its good to have the knowledge to be able to do both, the more you know, then the more you can do in what ever situation you are in.

I also think it would be great a video or book made by a true person who has lived homeless and would show you everything they have done to get by (legal and illegal stuff)..........

A couple of good books here -"STEEL THIS BOOK" - http://www.4shared.com/file/78411725...s_Boo.html?s=1

Worst case survival hand book- http://www.4shared.com/file/16195656...ook__.html?s=1
yeah I have seen that thread , its good .
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:56 PM   #83
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and you are right , its fine having a lawnmower blade , but then you have to sharpen it , and also , what if there is no dump or tip , about ?

Well you wont get one will you!!! Did you not read the post it said recce the area. There is one right on the outskirts of the v large forest where I live !!!


you have made a good point about that blade thing , its true .

one has to sharpen it to make is realy useful . Not many places in the wild to sharpen a lawnmower blade . one also has to find the right kind of rock to sharpen it on too .

Tell me this... Do you think we will suddenly go back to the stone age. Where are all the houses, factories and tools going to disappear to ???
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:08 AM   #84
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well I have to hand it to you tigger , 15 posts and not a sinlge one made to the OP. A gold medal hands out to you for the biggest spammer and derailer of threads I have ever seen on DI forum so far .

anyway , you asked , do I think we will return to the stone age because I said to petercookie I wish to learn from scratch .

well let me see , aha
Lets go back a page and look at the next two quotes .
one was about stone axes and the other was your reply to them .
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Might be a bit easier to make a flint axe then to get a lawn mower blade off a lawnmower without the proper tools. Also it might work a bit better.
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Well some time people got to think out of the box
so there we have it straight from the horses mouth .
now lets see if you can make it 16 posts unrelated to the OP .
go on , a little boy like you will not be able to help ya self .its so predictable .
Kids ? ya gotta lovem.


now watch my next post and engage brain and not mouth.

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Old 02-03-2010, 08:09 AM   #85
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these clips take hunting from another angle .





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Old 02-03-2010, 06:33 PM   #86
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Point of information for the uninformed.

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.

Wild animals are free range. They have a totally natural life.
A pheasant shot on a rough shoot has had a better time on this planet than a super market chicken (by the way chickens don't actually grow in fridges-honest)

People who are critical of country sports, yet still eat meat, are kidding themselves and in my opinion are hypocrites.

A true hunter has the utmost respect for his quarry, he has learnt its ways and studied it, without this knowledge nature would not reward him with a kill.

Eating meat is natural 100%. Hunting is also natural to the human animal.

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I totally agree...to a point! i personally dont think we are suppose to be 100% vegan or eat meat daily year round.

I have been vegetarian, vegan, raw vegan and when i was a child i ate meat daily. Peoples convenience diets are totally F****** nature up. you dont have to read biased statistics to see that. I dont think people do it to be a***h**** though, its lack of knowledge but i also think peoples egos and selfishness have a large part to play(If you just think about how many people you know who fit the stereotypes of big hard beer bellied men refusing to stop eating meat and to eat healthier or vegan/vegetarians who think they are the kindness people about because they dont EAT meat but fail to view any other part of their lives). nowadays there is a vast amount of information around and accessibility to do the right thing.
I dont think guns are a great thing though. alot of hunting skill has been lost through using guns and then there are also the resources and labor that are used in making a gun. Hunting is natural for survival, guns are not! Still though better from a nutritional,ethical and ecological part any day than buying meat from supermarket or farmer. Iv totally been re-thinking my diet lately, i use to only really think about it from a nutritional point and the fact that i wanted nothing to do with the meat industry. I also think there are millions of vegetarians still out there who think they are being kind not eating meat, when they are blind to the fact that the dairy industry provides for the meat industry. If its from a nutritional point of view, research how good milk really is for you. If its from a cruelty point of view, research what goes on in the dairy world, again especially with milk. Everyone knows about battery hens these days. I personally dont have a problem with eating eggs when i know where they have come from ( my family have chicken and geese) plus their is some K vitamin, im sure its K3 maybe? that you can only get from eggs.
I think like many others animals we are suppose to eat what is available to us seasonally, we dont do this. for example this time of year it would be fungi, meat, nettle shoots, plantain shoots, bark, but mainly meat. Whereas in summer autumn their would not be much need for meat if any at all, you could easily have your diet 70% greens with fruit and herbs.
My current diet i will admit is not earth friendly or ethical, im an 'organic' vegetarian but i soon plan to break out of this and move onto a high percentage wild diet.
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Old 02-03-2010, 06:36 PM   #87
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Lightbulb preparing goat

Survival is a dirty buissiness and not a fluffy one.
Here is a couple pictures of a goat getting slaughtered and ready to eat.Note the leaves on the floor to catch most of the blood. A good standard parang/machete soon takes the head off, and is great for chopping the meat
Google for more detail as I cant be arsed typing all that out.Slaughtering most animals is the same principle near enuff ...but there are tricks to each species of animal.


But a little trick you wont find in any... u tube... video is cut just above the hoof the skin so you can lift it a bit. Then blow into the void. This will blow the skin up and its v easy then to peel it off !!!!

But then again these photos may be photo shopped !!Well of course they are Ive had to black the faces out. Btw im not in the photos

And of course the men in it are deranged killers, shock horror

Btw goat is fucking gorgeous

Head off



Intact gut sack coming out very important not to contaminate the meat




nearly done. Note the goat head on the table chuck the lot in



Oh and the trouble we had with this one Its actually an elephant skull


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Old 02-03-2010, 09:46 PM   #88
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Gotta love this thread

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Old 06-03-2010, 10:20 AM   #89
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Survival is a dirty buissiness and not a fluffy one.
Here is a couple pictures of a goat getting slaughtered and ready to eat.Note the leaves on the floor to catch most of the blood. A good standard parang/machete soon takes the head off, and is great for chopping the meat
Google for more detail as I cant be arsed typing all that out.Slaughtering most animals is the same principle near enuff ...but there are tricks to each species of animal.


But a little trick you wont find in any... u tube... video is cut just above the hoof the skin so you can lift it a bit. Then blow into the void. This will blow the skin up and its v easy then to peel it off !!!!

But then again these photos may be photo shopped !!Well of course they are Ive had to black the faces out. Btw im not in the photos

And of course the men in it are deranged killers, shock horror

Btw goat is fucking gorgeous

Head off



Intact gut sack coming out very important not to contaminate the meat




nearly done. Note the goat head on the table chuck the lot in



Oh and the trouble we had with this one Its actually an elephant skull

I want pics! It would be a good idea to find a friendly butcher who will show you how to correctly butcher an animal. Anything with fur is much the same anatomically so a deers no different to a rabbit as far as butchering is concerned.
I hate gutting. Its a filthy stinky job and Im not the worlds best butcher. Thats why I get the kids to do it LOL
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There are some very comprehensive Youtubes on butchery.

/edit Great pictures entrangermercenary!
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Old 10-03-2010, 06:19 AM   #91
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Old 10-03-2010, 06:23 AM   #92
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Here is your chance to make me eat humble pie
So go on share some of your experiences with us while in the elite im all ears

So if you were " a bit more than simple joe squaddy " you must also fall into that catagory. Now im confused
Look here , Ihave decided to roll in the numbers again .


Just a question or two , take a look at your post here ^^^^^^^^^^^

seems to mostly contradict me but have absolutely no experience your self .
You have spent most of your time doing this , why ?
Look at your reply and notice what you are doing here .

Now dont get me wrong , you claim to be a specialist right .

so why are these the only threads you have ever made ?

This one is about the snow , doesnt say much of anything realy.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98380

One that seems to realy tell a joke and only has a picture of a canon in it .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95498

One that tells about your son taking a scouts trip.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92302

One that ( IMO ) miss informs others of the benifits of crossbows .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66696

One that asks Cafetimes to unblock you .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75067

Here is one that actually talks about survival here in the UK but doesnt really have much info . Not for a specialist .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65301

Now dont get me wrong entrangermercenary , regarding some comments that you made about me being inexperienced and the only thing about me is that my heart is in the right place , you have to admit
You dont seem to be putting your heart into anything let alone helping people or giving away that specialist knowledge you claim that you have .

You made a comment once about me having to google or ask a friend for the answers .I thought that the comment was rather funny at the time .
But is this all so typical here ?
I notice that you join a alot of threads , I have noticed that most of the time you take a small comment from the OPs and contradict them by making whole posts based around those small comments rather than give full blown specialist input on the subject .

Whats happening here ?

where is this specialist input ?

give it already .

Not much of a specialist from here , so dont ever give me crap again about me being a simple squaddy.
until you are ABLE to earn my respect through atleast proving your specialist training , I shall endevour to keep prodding you on this now .

show us your knowledge already .


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Old 10-03-2010, 06:26 AM   #93
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more hunter vids .

beware some graphical emiages .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIWY4_Gi4Hw

the bonus of hunting with no guns = no sound - no compromise on your position thus not frightening other wild life away .real stealth stuff .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oTtT...eature=related


but look out , the hunted can become the agresser .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD5zj...eature=related

bumping the vids.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:09 AM   #94
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Look here , Ihave decided to roll in the numbers again .


Just a question or two , take a look at your post here ^^^^^^^^^^^

seems to mostly contradict me but have absolutely no experience your self .
You have spent most of your time doing this , why ?
Look at your reply and notice what you are doing here .

Now dont get me wrong , you claim to be a specialist right .

so why are these the only threads you have ever made ?

This one is about the snow , doesnt say much of anything realy.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98380

One that seems to realy tell a joke and only has a picture of a canon in it .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95498

One that tells about your son taking a scouts trip.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92302

One that ( IMO ) miss informs others of the benifits of crossbows .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66696

One that asks Cafetimes to unblock you .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75067

Here is one that actually talks about survival here in the UK but doesnt really have much info . Not for a specialist .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65301

Now dont get me wrong entrangermercenary , regarding some comments that you made about me being inexperienced and the only thing about me is that my heart is in the right place , you have to admit
You dont seem to be putting your heart into anything let alone helping people or giving away that specialist knowledge you claim that you have .

You made a comment once about me having to google or ask a friend for the answers .I thought that the comment was rather funny at the time .
But is this all so typical here ?
I notice that you join a alot of threads , I have noticed that most of the time you take a small comment from the OPs and contradict them by making whole posts based around those small comments rather than give full blown specialist input on the subject .

Whats happening here ?

where is this specialist input ?

give it already .

Not much of a specialist from here , so dont ever give me crap again about me being a simple squaddy.
until you are ABLE to earn my respect through atleast proving your specialist training , I shall endevour to keep prodding you on this now .

show us your knowledge already .

I agree with mercenary regarding xbows and finding meat. Xbows are loud. Ive used them so I actually know this. They also need constant re sighting due to the shock of the bow,even with floating sights.

Hunting is not easy and takes years to be good enough to survive by hunting alone. I know becouse ive hunted with bows,xbows,air rifles and catupults.
It wont take long for the deer to wise up and realise theyre back on the menu and if you spend most of your time in front of a computer or indoors instead of living the things on this forum then you havnt got a hope in hell.

There is a big difference between knowing how to do something and actually being able to do it.

How many here have actually succesfully snared a rabbit,used a xbow for hunting or stalked game?
There is a world of difference between sitting on your arse discussing the merits of bows and xbows,how many tins of ravioli to store away and the best way to light a fire and actually doing it; and not just doing it but actually incorperating it into your life so it becomes a way of life.

Hunting will leave you cold,wet and miserable and more often than not-hungry.
Butchering an animal in the fiels is filthy,smelly and nasty. Can you stomach it when you have remove the foetuses from a pregnant doe or scrape away the puss from a sebacious cyst? Can you tell when an animal is dead and just spasming or still alive?
If your knowledge comes from youtube videos and cut and pasted articles on this forum,you're fucked.

Mercanary seems to talk more sense than most on this forum. His advice for winter was excellent. When youve been beaten half to death by a gang and your precious buffalo shirt and thinsulate gloves from Surplus and Adventure have been taken off you,tights and washing up gloves will be alot easier to find.
Anyone with experience already knows to avoid civvy kit becouse its inferior to military kit. Tricks like wearing tights comes from hard earned experience in less than ideal circumstances. When the shit goes down, you will NOT be prepared. No one will be. Your grab-bag will probably be elsewhere and even if yiou do have it,unless you've done a survival exersise with it,most of the stuff will be useless in practice.
When your expensive socks eventually start to wear out,youll get blisters becouse even though you "know how to" snare a squirrel,you never actually bothered to learn how to darn a sock.
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Old 11-03-2010, 01:08 PM   #95
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Yes he does have some good points I don't deny it .

It just all seems so ---erm

Pessimistic at times is all .

It would be better ( not just for me but ) for others if he was to go deeper into why etc , more illestration is all .

OK at times me and him hit heads but I do recognise a SKILL .

He has skills and there is absolutely no doubt about that , but illestrating his reasons is not one of them .

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