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Old 05-09-2009, 09:46 PM   #21
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How sad and shocking, families being destroyed forever in secret,
Are there any decent judges out there, or are the authorities out of control?
It is simply disgraceful.


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MEDWAY COUNTY FAMILY COURT 7th- 15th September 2009

Ex-Tory Councillor grandchildren Elle-May ,Ruby, Lacey, Poppy Williams-Piper being stolen for forced adoption by Kent County Council(Tory run)

Everyone welcome,ring side seats available for the press, come meet your local SS workers, not to be missed ,why not make it a regular event!
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Old 08-09-2009, 11:55 PM   #22
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The Councils apply for gagging orders in the royal courts of justice, (in secret of course, cant let the public know
whats really going on, can we now)if they dare speak to anyone let alone put pictures, and I mean anyone including the useless MP,s
who pretend to give a s**t. Over 200 a year are imprisoned, of course the 'common purpose' BBC/media/papers wont tell the sheeple that ,
it might frightened them.

But they will report and use tragic cases like baby Peter's inorder to increase child trafficking, whilst leaving children in
abusive homes to die.

Most children are classed as being at risk of emotional abuse, no family stands a chance in our de facto courts with a de facto parties/government in place,
you can not win.

Over 4,000 children a year are being taken, over a 1,000 of these alone come from Kent and rising.

Is it any surprise when Peter Gilroy the chief executive of
Kent County Council is a psychiatric social worker (highest paid in the country about £250,000 a year) talk about putting the lunatics in charge of the asylum !
Virtually half of the MP's come from SS backgrounds and the other half are lawyers (corruption has no boundaries)the SS are also queuing up to get into the tory party and become MP's.

Children are trafficked, because that is what is really happening, these children are simply being stolen
and not all are going to families , if the secret family courts Cafcass/Coram and rubber stamping judges are not corrupt
why all the secrecy?

You only have to put forced adoption into utube to see all the desperate parents/relatives, funny how the government keep taking down the childrens debate in parliament were the incompetent ministers talk on the children bills , about grandparents only having to be good enough parents, that's funny because all of them are invited (made) to take psychological tests, if they are silly enough to agree and they never pass, its called hoop jumping.

The councillors know and so do the MP's including the Cabbage Patch doll , commonly known as David Cameron (do we really want a cabbage for our next leader , dont we already have one ?)

The only way is to tell the world and everyone you know; before they come for yours, forewarned is forearmed.The family courts and corrupt judges must be exposed ,not kept hidden to do their dirty work behind closed doors, which is exclusively for their protection not the childrens.

Council's are using your council tax , in order to steal your own children.
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Old 09-09-2009, 06:24 AM   #23
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How do we stop forced adoptions?

children are abducted by the state without recourse to extended families
and Judges are rubber stamping the court orders

the whole system is a shambles and corruption runs so deep,
the only way seems to be, to prevent them taking the children
by using some sort of redemption process and/or making the courts
accountable, which appears almost impossible

Has anybody used the freeman route/commercial redemption to 1) protect children from the state 2) redeem children already taken?
The only way is to support new laws by petitioning and change the laws. Getting the community to get those judges fired by any means. Have the community serve boycott this person if you see them leaflets, etc...
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this is right on the button....
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Old 10-09-2009, 04:10 AM   #25
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when they have your newborn baby 'in care' [pot smoking chavs] and they come and pick you up and drive you to the registrar, and sit over you til you sign, well, you just do, otherwise I wouldn't have got 'contact' with my baby.

before anyone starts with comments...I did not know about the freeman stuff back then, I had just given birth and spent every night pacing up and down my living room in the most undescribable agony. They have you over hot coals and they knew it. I just wish I knew this site back then. Same sorta thing happened to Rob.
It makes me wonder, had you still refused to sign whether they would have still been in a position to carry out their threat of keeping your baby. These people kidnaped your child and held it for ransom. Its obscene what they did to you, and totaly outside the law.
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Social worker Peter Davison was an arrogant prick who lied and conived and deceived. Nasty piece of work. Over 6ft tall, big baldy head, slitty sly eyes and he would wear all black with a big thick black coat...he looked more like 'security' than someone sent to deal with a heavily pregnant woman who was 6 months outta an abusive relationship.

I didnt know back then about the registeration scam, but even so, to come and pick me up and drive me to the registry office bribing me up until that point that I just might get to see my newborn baby is dispicable. Needless to say, I didnt see her, we just ended up having a mind game back at the SS offices in the family room with all the toys (sick ****). Bear in mind I had not seen her over the christmas period or on christmas day (he banned that one) as I had a run in with the chav foster people I was sent to with Lia (their foster son was smoking cannabis in the bathroom near lias bedroom)

I wouldnt mind but I argued that if you are gunna condemn me as a parent before you even have a chance to judge me, then at least put me somewhere exemplary, where the foster peoples own kids dont kick glass doors in or they dont smoke 20 a day or their toddler goes to bed at 8pm not 11pm....

But again Peter Davison knew this was my idea of hell, and that a new mother needed rest etc and would I fuck get it at this mad house. I also did digging and find that they were getting refusals from their SS link worker as she didnt feel they were suitable candidates for mother & baby, and that they should concentrate on the foster son (some sense) ...but the link worker was on holiday

Unfortunately it was either that or a mother & baby unit 240miles away from home and my son...24hr CCTV watching your every move, when the baby needed changing, they would be able to hear you, but you had to ring them, they would then come to your 'flat' and watch and assess you change the baby. The cot had to stay in the front room where they could see it, but you had to sleep elsewhere. This fucked up my plans of sleeping with my baby etc. I wasnt allowed my friend who lived close by to visit unless approved by the SS and even then it was supervised. I wasnt allowed my laptop as it would infringe on other 'residents' privacy...more like they didnt want me giving a day to day account to the outside world.



Then when I found out they had a schedule planned alll week for you, such as interviews with another arrogant bitch who would have marked me down for sure...she even said to me "oh I like a challenge" to which I replied "I'm not here for your sport, and dont you dare patronise me" Funny cos Peter Davison drove down [like a madman] in a hired Range Rover, the SS hoovered up all the food, didnt save me any, and yet I found out the most crucial bit of a jigsaw...the dick boasted "I used to work round here"

turns out he was thrown off a case (Barbara Stanton) in lancashire for acting out his jurisdiction and unreasonable behaviour. He was investigated by the director of social services and quickly put on transfer. He ended up working as a duty social worker resolved of his own caseload. I know this cos my friend from down there was the friend of this Barbara Stanton. How funny huh!. My friend also used to work on the police desk and call her friend "Hey Barbara, Peter Davisons just been called out at 2am...another runaway in blackpool LOL"

Because he used the same bullshit phrases with me, this triggered my friends memory, and it was an OMG moment. She came up to me and saw him and identified him as the same prick. Another friend of hers also described him (tall, bald, in 40s, geordie accent, looks like Phil Mitchell)

Even tho my friend was willing to sign an affidavit to what she knew, nothing got done, nor did it get doen when I made an official complaint of 6 pages long against this ****. They were only concerned in case he had lied on his application to them.

Sadly...this **** seems to be one of many of the breed of social workers up and down the country, my situation is common place, and these people will be judged by God one day, God gave me Lia, and got rid of the ex, who they took lia away, and brought back the ex.

They dont need reasons, they just twist and turn everything against you.

But I will be asking Stockton on Tees council some more uncomfortable questions regarding Peter Davison and Lia Nicole Caine.

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Old 10-09-2009, 08:17 PM   #27
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All social workers /managers must not be given positions of power without recourse, they are not even answerable to the councillors/mp's

They simply answer to no one and are literally getting away with murder in some cases

The whole lot must be made accountable for their actions and protection put in place from their over-rated ego's

Judges need to be made accountable to the Public and judged by the Public, for their lack of actions and rubberstamping exercises.
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All social workers /managers must not be given positions of power without recourse, they are not even answerable to the councillors/mp's

They simply answer to no one and are literally getting away with murder in some cases

The whole lot must be made accountable for their actions and protection put in place from their over-rated ego's

Judges need to be made accountable to the Public and judged by the Public, for their lack of actions and rubberstamping exercises.
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:56 PM   #29
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the more you look, the more is found ...bet they don't answer

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...incoming-43468

7 September 2009
Dear Sir or Madam,

Can you please provide details of how many complaints received
about unlawful practices of Judges and Council SS Legal Team
(children social services) , barrister's etc Cafcass Legal teams
etc , regarding Children taken into ‘care’ by Kent County Council.

Relatives who put themselves forward are considered guilty until
proven innocent, and demands are made that they jump through
assessment hoops, when the House of Lords made it quite clear that
grandparents only have to be good enough parents. The system as it
stands is no better than a 'child trafficking ring.'

It is appalling that in Family Court’s so many children are being
taken into care based on mere opinion of – so-called professionals
and placed for adoption with strangers rather than relatives.

In 2007,local authorities in England applied for 8,173 care orders.
7,624 orders were made. 336 applications were withdrawn, 290 "no
orders" decisions and 21 orders were refused.

In other words, the judgement of the social workers working for the
council was so good, they were only refused by the judge 21 times
(0.27%)

More importantly 93% of the time the judge merely rubber-stamped
the care orders.

House of Lords - Down Lisburn Health and Social Services Trust.
Baroness Hale of Richmond. Judgement

34. There is, so far as the parties to this case are aware, no
European jurisprudence questioning the principle of freeing for
adoption, or indeed compulsory adoption generally. The United
Kingdom is unusual amongst members of the Council of Europe in
permitting the total severance of family ties without parental
consent. (Professor Triseliotis thought that only Portugal and
perhaps one other European country allowed this.) It is, of course,
the most draconian interference with family life possible.

Although kinship placements are supposed to be the preferred option
in this country, only 1 per cent. of social worker-instigated
placements ended up with kinship carers, compared with 45 per cent.
in Denmark, for example(EVIDENCE given in parliament 16th June 2008
by Tim Loughton MP shadow minister for children)

Yours faithfully,

Susan Web
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I am sorry to say but i doubt there'll be an answer
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the more you look, the more is found ...bet they don't answer

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...incoming-43468

7 September 2009
Dear Sir or Madam,

Can you please provide details of how many complaints received
about unlawful practices of Judges and Council SS Legal Team
(children social services) , barrister's etc Cafcass Legal teams
etc , regarding Children taken into ‘care’ by Kent County Council.

Relatives who put themselves forward are (seem to be) considered guilty until
proven innocent, and demands are made that they jump through
assessment hoops, when the House of Lords made it quite clear that
grandparents only have to be good enough parents. The system as it
stands is no better than a 'child trafficking ring.'


It is appalling that in Family Court’s so many children are being
taken into care based on mere opinion of – so-called professionals
and placed for adoption with strangers rather than relatives.

In 2007,local authorities in England applied for 8,173 care orders.
7,624 orders were made. 336 applications were withdrawn, 290 "no
orders" decisions and 21 orders were refused.

In other words, the judgement of the social workers working for the
council was so good, they were only refused by the judge 21 times
(0.27%)

More importantly 93% of the time the judge merely rubber-stamped
the care orders.

House of Lords - Down Lisburn Health and Social Services Trust.
Baroness Hale of Richmond. Judgement

34. There is, so far as the parties to this case are aware, no
European jurisprudence questioning the principle of freeing for
adoption, or indeed compulsory adoption generally. The United
Kingdom is unusual amongst members of the Council of Europe in
permitting the total severance of family ties without parental
consent. (Professor Triseliotis thought that only Portugal and
perhaps one other European country allowed this.) It is, of course,
the most draconian interference with family life possible.

Although kinship placements are supposed to be the preferred option
in this country, only 1 per cent. of social worker-instigated
placements ended up with kinship carers, compared with 45 per cent.
in Denmark, for example(EVIDENCE given in parliament 16th June 2008
by Tim Loughton MP shadow minister for children)

Yours faithfully,

Susan Web
ms hope, forgive me, but all that I've placed in bold above is either speculation, conjecture or opinion.
Believe me, this whole situation makes my stomach turn too (...and I live in Kent!), but I really think you shot yourself in the foot there.

(I'm assuming you sent that letter). (EDIT: Sorry. Susan Web shot herself in the foot for the same reasons).

Peace,
tian an.

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Old 11-09-2009, 11:17 PM   #32
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This FOI request was found on the site quoted, having re-read the post and your comments ,
'above is either speculation, conjecture or opinion.'

These sound like the same complaints parents quote about the closed family courts
when 'speculation, conjecture or opinion' is used by childrens services and the courts
to remove their children forever.

I do agree this pure wickness and evil that is occurring also makes my stomach churn,
no matter what part of the country

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tien an

This FOI request was found on the site quoted, having re-read the post and your comments ,
'above is either speculation, conjecture or opinion.'

These sound like the same complaints parents quote about the closed family courts
when 'speculation, conjecture or opinion' is used by childrens services and the courts
to remove their children forever.


I do agree this pure wickness and evil that is occurring also makes my stomach churn,
no matter what part of the country
I actually didn't think of that. Thanks for pointing it out.

"no matter what part of the country"...true, but it's a bit unsettling when half of the cases occur here, in Kent...Why?!

There are obviously many aspects of this I haven't dared to think about.

tian an.

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May be its because Kent is the largest authority in the country
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Old 17-09-2009, 12:49 AM   #35
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http://www.resolution.org.uk/kent/news/

1st September 2008 designated Family Law Judge for Kent His Honour Judge Polden (second from the right, bottom of the page) used to be a practising partner in a local Kent firm of solicitors...anyone spot a conflict of interest ?
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It is madness that so many unsuitable people are allowed into positions of power , whilst many children are being taken away from families that desperately want them and who speak of the abuses that are being carried out against them by the same people employed to protect children.

The comments on this website make me want to cry http://nameshamesocialworkers.blogspot.com/

[A letter a dear friend of mine sent to the Judge in the Family Court,( edited to protect identities) the Judge used paragraph 4 to remove them as party. Yet he failed to answer when asked in Court what would stop children’s services coming after their own children if they failed ‘so-called assessments including a psychological assessment that the Council and Judge were trying to rail road them into.]


After our recent LIP experience of the Family Courts regarding contesting the ICO (at your suggestion), in the hope our granddaughters would be returned to live with their grandparents. We now have ‘little faith’ in either the LA professionals who unfortunately, do not appear to act in the ‘best interests of the children’ or the present system that fails to make them accountable for their actions.

It may just be coincidental that I was standing for election in November 2007 after I had complained to the Director of Children’s Services , on a separate issue and took my complaints to the LGO.

Apparently, we could risk being labelled mad or worse if we go to the press; yet it seems pointless to Appeal without the media.

Regretfully, our stance on being assessed has not changed for the reasons given at the initial hearing; having young children of adoptable ages and no belief in the CSW comment ‘that the SS do not canvas for work’ our family has already been destroyed.

Please do not think us paranoid. A continuous stream of high calibre news articles including award winning Journalists, looking into ‘children’s services’ alongside the UN investigation into our Family Courts, EDM’s signed by numerous MP’s and
Jack Straw’s announcement to allow the press (April2009); all suggest otherwise.

There appears to be a mass of contradictions/inaccuracies and double standards.
Selective incomplete evidence, (mainly opinion based) interpreted as ‘fact’ without the full information requested from September 2002 including ‘notes’ from both the SS and CG. A different criteria/ model supplied (non-relative assessment), which is neither objective nor subjective. And discerning to note that there is no record of us receiving £100 cash from the SS .

Ironically, a Councillor on the ‘Children’s Champion Board’ sort my advice about ‘children’s services’ and is aware of our previous experience.
Although I did not ask him, he seems to have attempted to help; I am not his constituent nor did I ask about kinship care allowance and our children are not known to social care or receive services.

Charles J in Re R [2002] 1 FLR 755 and Munby J in Re L (Care Assessment: Fair Trial) [2002] 2 FLR 730In Re R,

Relatives are expected to jump through hoops and endure fishing trips that were simply not required on the two previous occasions, when XXXX and XXXX were placed in our care, on the second occasion after an interview with CPO.
The LA may have been concerned about a possible Judicial Review and this may have contributed to why an offer of a mandatory referral for (FGC) ‘not best practice’ as suggested in Court, was not forthcoming.

D-v- Southwark LBC [2007] EWCA Civ 182
. Munby J Manchester City Council – V – F (2002) 1FLR 43

What is the definition of better than good enough parenting?

The House of Lords (2008) ‘grandparents only have to be reasonable enough parents’

“Innocent yet presumed guilty unless we comply - On the balance of probabilities?”
We probably have far more experience than many of the professionals involved, having raised 6 children.

Supervisory contact is only required we believe, if there is a danger to the children.
Being a XXXX/CRB checked with no previous concerns, it is insulting and degrading to be only offered expensive supervised contact in an unnatural environment. While our offer of contact in our home (with foster carers if need be) and Cllrs/Corporate Parents offering to be present, is ignored/rejected.
Whilst bizarrely XXXX & XXXX have been transported by taxi virtually on a daily basis from XXXX that is 5 minutes from XXXX, to XXXX approximately a hours drive by their first set of inexperienced carers; all at the taxpayers expense?

Where are our granddaughter’s Human Rights to a family life? Having been placed in foster care, where their well-being has deteriorated after being separated and passed from ‘pillar to post’ and respite care, instead of with relatives.

DCSF – figures suggest that at least 2 children a week die and/or are abused in care.

Research suggests that there are well-evidenced advantages1 for children who cannot live with their parents to be raised by relatives or friends:
Farmer E and Moyers S (2008)‘Kinship Care: Fostering Effective Family and Friends Placements’ (Jessica Kingsley); Doolan et al (2004) Growing up in the Care of Relatives and Friends (Family Rights Group); Hunt J (2003) Family and Friends Care; coping Paper for Dept of Health; Broad, B (ed) (2001) Kinship Care: the placement of choice for children and young people (Russell House; Hunt Waterhouse & Lutman (2008forthcoming) Keeping them in the family (BAAF) Dr Lynne Wrenndall, Charles Pragnell. Lisa Blakemore-Brown, Brian Morgan, Dr Helen Hayward-Brown, Bruce Irvine,
Dr Clive Baldwin, Stephen Clark, Cathy Johnson (2004) Taking the stick away: the service users’ joint statement

It is hoped that XXXX (babies are far more sort after for adoption and a marketable commodity) will be given a Voice Child Advocate, (the CSW rejected this in favour of the CG only).

The FGC Co-ordinator’s comment ‘ holding a FGC at a late stage “energises families” is insulting and worthless when the LA holds all the power and should not be advising family members that I must agree to be assessed.
The joint comments from the LA solicitor and CG who later offered to alter her notes? The LA solicitor told me ‘ the LA only had a duty to consider family members.’
If Human Rights and the PLO can be so brazenly be disregarded/ ignored, is it any wonder that ¾ of children end up adopted or on SGO with strangers instead of relatives.

The CG Solicitor’s remarks outside the Court ‘that LA Counsel could speak for me, or XXXX a passing Solicitor could represent me or they would adjourn and the Court would/could not allow my grandchildren to be placed with us on ICO’ (reiterated the CG comment) and meeting immediately after Court, with the CSW/Counsel, but not us. And the CG & ISW lunching in the Café across the road, all show how cosy the relevant professionals appear to be, hardly independent.

‘ Generally speaking, guardians act as cheerleaders for social services departments. They are entirely compliant, and seem incapable of doing more than being a cheering section’. Eric Pickles MP. (We cannot disagree.)

As Corporate Parents we should act in the way we would if the children were our own. I am appalled at what I perceive to be professionals who fail to act in a professional manner and seem to have no intention of working to reunite children with families. The public would be astonished at the costs involved and outraged that relatives are over looked in favour of expensive foster care.

Totally amazed that such draconian measures of removing children without a mandatory referral for (FGC) can amount to; crystal ball gazing opinion backed up by expensive reports paid for from the public purse.
How is it possible to review a past non event and make a decision based on what may or may not have happened if a FGC had been held, when it could/did not take place?

Children are not mere commodities to be passed around for profit; clearly everyone involved is being paid, (the larger the bundle the more costly?), which could be better spent on ‘real’ child protection and desperately needed front line services to support families to ensure that mandatory FGC referrals are completed; improved services.

I came into politics in order to defend the children of the poor and help make sure that families receive the services they deserve. Councillors are more aware of their responsibility to ‘looked after children’ and the CEO is reviewing the case following a subsequent meeting with the XXXX Leader.

The one simple thing that can never be altered is my granddaughters’ heritage, we are blood relatives, our granddaughters will always be dearly loved and wanted; this can never be obliterated. Hopefully they will be reunited with family members, who if given the opportunity could have applied (if need be) for a RO via private law.

The Court has the power to remedy matters and take the more proportional approach that the LA has not done to-date. Please take into consideration our views and concerns when making your decisions about our granddaughters futures.
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cafcass money pit

this will be peanuts once coram take over completely
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Is this the voice of the nation to come....

This is dedicated to 4 very special ladies

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The secret family courts have broken the Magna Carta
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Maybe some children, should be in care. Is that a possibility.
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