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Old 20-05-2017, 11:41 PM   #121
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lol why are most people voting for a big goverment nanny state socialist party? Didn't they have to go begging to the IMF for cash the last time old labour was in power, then ten years of selling everything off to pay the money back?
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Old 21-05-2017, 05:39 PM   #122
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Old 21-05-2017, 06:02 PM   #123
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Read Dave icke. How many times does he have to say that he is not referring to bloody Jews but people who are resonating at a almost total loveless reptilian consciousness. So these people could be any religion, any colour any creed.

Get over your hate, mate. And I'm not fucking Jewish. I just laugh at you guys who are obsessed with them. Get over it.
That's an incredibly simplistic way of looking at the situation

So there is a documentary that has been posted on the forum made by a jewish israeli who asks jews their opinions on things. He begins by asking his mother what she thinks of jews in europe and she says that many of them don't want to move to israel and work because they are making mega bucks in europe

However is it all about making money or are some working for the rothschilds to bring about world communism (controlled by the rothschilds?)

later on he interviews some jewish people and asks them if their home country is more or less important to them then israel and they say israel is most important. he asks them why and they say that it is an insurance policy in case things turn bad for them in europe

Ok.....but ask yourself why things would turn bad for them in europe?

if they are just people going about their business like anyone else then why would they need to worry? if they're doing nothing wrong then why would they incur the ire of europeans?

if however they are working for rothschild communism then it is very possible they might upset people and their statements would make sense

To really dig into this issue you have to look into what jewish identity is because there are different aspects for example religion, tribalism (eg ashkenazis) and nationalism (ie israel)

So to decide of people are resonating at certain frequencies you have to understand what their MOTIVATIONS are

yes muslims and christians and atheists can also resonate at harmful frequencies but different groups have different cultural, religo-social baggage which can colour their thinking

Why would some jews be so loyal to the rothschilds?

Well the rothschilds created israel didn't they? Also the rothschild claim lineage from the royal house of david which would make them jewish royalty as well as the heads of the tribe. So there you have the rothschilds tying in all aspects of jewish identity

The question to ask yourself is this: are the rothschilds working for the benefit of the europeans or for themselves and their inter-married bloodlines or the jewish people or combinations of the above?

I think it is fair to say they do not work for the european people however many israelis also suffered after the 2008 crisis so to what extent to they really work for average jews either?

These are all questions we should be free to explore in a free and open society
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Old 21-05-2017, 06:28 PM   #124
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That's an incredibly simplistic way of looking at the situation

So there is a documentary that has been posted on the forum made by a jewish israeli who asks jews their opinions on things. He begins by asking his mother what she thinks of jews in europe and she says that many of them don't want to move to israel and work because they are making mega bucks in europe

However is it all about making money or are some working for the rothschilds to bring about world communism (controlled by the rothschilds?)

later on he interviews some jewish people and asks them if their home country is more or less important to them then israel and they say israel is most important. he asks them why and they say that it is an insurance policy in case things turn bad for them in europe

Ok.....but ask yourself why things would turn bad for them in europe?

if they are just people going about their business like anyone else then why would they need to worry? if they're doing nothing wrong then why would they incur the ire of europeans?

if however they are working for rothschild communism then it is very possible they might upset people and their statements would make sense

To really dig into this issue you have to look into what jewish identity is because there are different aspects for example religion, tribalism (eg ashkenazis) and nationalism (ie israel)

So to decide of people are resonating at certain frequencies you have to understand what their MOTIVATIONS are

yes muslims and christians and atheists can also resonate at harmful frequencies but different groups have different cultural, religo-social baggage which can colour their thinking

Why would some jews be so loyal to the rothschilds?

Well the rothschilds created israel didn't they? Also the rothschild claim lineage from the royal house of david which would make them jewish royalty as well as the heads of the tribe. So there you have the rothschilds tying in all aspects of jewish identity

The question to ask yourself is this: are the rothschilds working for the benefit of the europeans or for themselves and their inter-married bloodlines or the jewish people or combinations of the above?

I think it is fair to say they do not work for the european people however many israelis also suffered after the 2008 crisis so to what extent to they really work for average jews either?

These are all questions we should be free to explore in a free and open society
I think many Jews are victims without realising why they have been persecuted for centuries, they aren't taught it in schools for sure.
So many would think Israel as an insurance policy is a good thing as they are brainwashed like the rest into thinking folk hate Jews without reason.

Though I'm sure some will be doing it for the Rothschilds agenda.
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I think many Jews are victims without realising why they have been persecuted for centuries, they aren't taught it in schools for sure.
So many would think Israel as an insurance policy is a good thing as they are brainwashed like the rest into thinking folk hate Jews without reason.

Though I'm sure some will be doing it for the Rothschilds agenda.
The same documentary looks into how jewish school kids are taken to aushwitz and have their heads filled with victimhood propaganda which creates an us and them mindset as well as a fortress-israel mentality

When they are asked to serve israel they then obey. Jews abroad who are asked by israel to serve israeli interests are called 'sayanim'

However at the top of israel i suggest is the same rothschild-cabal that is controlling other countries ie the black nobility bloodlines

Those bloodlines also control the vatican and i suggest they also created wahhabism and control saudi arabia through its bloodline crypto-jewish royal family which is propped up by the US military machine

So those bloodlines are influencing the different abrahamic religions as well as controlling the religion of mammon by owning and controlling the central banks of the world
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Old 23-05-2017, 05:48 PM   #126
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that is all very well scouse but the truth is those things are NOT owned by the government

using taxation to fund these things I agree with because I want to live in a civil society that co operates

but the government does not own any of it

the government , whoever that is did not itself get on it's hands and knees and build a single god damn thing

the people did that , under the leadership of a government correct but at this point in history what further proof does anybody need that those same governments or the system within which they work has gone completely rogue

it's interesting you list school / police / nhs / fire service as I know for a fact they want to privatise at least 2-3 of those things completely

and then what ? will they lower the taxes ? hell no they wont

I am not saying we should burn down the world , there are too many good things that we have done

but we do not necessarily have to give it up to change the way we are represented

I am talking about negotiating a different direction for our future here , using our collective bargaining power

I think it is past the point of stupidity to believe voting for anyone will make a shit of difference as it currently stands

they are all beholden to a Satanic Cabal who have no interest whatsoever in representing the majority

the government do not own a god damn thing , you do , this is not the governments planet , it is yours

your ancestors worked their tits off to create what is todays world , not the government

all they have ever done is increase their position of influence between every human interaction possible

I absolutely see the sense in having a community chest with which to build a civil society

I see no point however in being ruled by what is essentially a rogue state who goes to war on a whim , funds Islamic extremism or whatever extremism suits their agenda

if we keep voting , keep talking to them, keep giving our permission - they steer the ship

it's time we beached it and built a new one
Well at least your agreeing now to paying taxes (as we all benefit from the services they pay for).

Yes the government just hires people directly (public) or indirectly (privatised) and doesn't do anything themselves, however as it is them who pay (using tax money so us really i agree) they can regulate the costs.

If the NHS went truelly private (0 government funding) no working class citizen would have children and would die as soon as they required emergency medical care.

Even as they privatise the NHS (there isnt enough money coming in through NI to cover the NHS bills which is why they use other tax money to boost its support) the costing is part funded with state money this means that while its expensive you can afford the healthcare.

Personally i want a revolution i want a new form of government as democracy has long since passed its usefulness. It's high time we modernised it.

However your vote still counts. Plenty of MP's go against the cabal's policies. They win occasionally (referendum is an example). The cabal cant blackmail/buy every policy they want in place as they can't push to hard or they risk revolt. So they make sure their main agenda goes forward, but the middle/lower parts we can fight them on. I can even imagine their think tanks saying okay, such an such population needs a win they're getting too fed up, here's what they want changed whats the least damaging one we can give them to prevent a revolt.

Now even if any win we get is chosen to be allowed by them, that does not change the fact it is a win, sure its not the big win, but to move a mountain you do it small bit at a time. The more wins we get the less we need. This is the thing about tyrannical leadership, if they want willing co-operation they have to give small wins to their slaves, eventually they give so many that the slaves decide to go for the big one (freedom). The flipside is if they don't give these wins they face revolt which makes their slaves useless so its not good for business. They then can either crumble (like most empires) or they go full on tyranny and start to be slave masters by force (which means they then have to fight resistance forever until they loose or the slaves are pretty much all dead).

Every negative leader has lost before they even start its just a matter of time you can not instil your negativity on others without them fighting back, you can slowdown the retaliation but you can not stop it. We are not purely prey we are both prey/hunter. humans when they need to will fight for survival the cabal know this, this is why they try to change things a tiny bit at a time. Going slowly slows the retaliation response (as it takes some a while to figure out they are oppressed) but make no mistake a day will come they tip toe to far judging by random peoples reactions more and more i'd say we are getting close to that day, more an more people are getting pissed off.
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Simon Parkes gave his thoughts on the election a few days ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ydkHzLb_TI

5:55 ..."We might be forgiven for saying "It doesn't matter what we vote, they're all the same , or they're all controlled by the same people" . Normal that's right. But what we have in America is a man that's not really controlled by anybody, Mr trump.

And in great britain there is the leader of the labor party , and he isn't controlled by the elite . Mr corbin ....look how the establishment newspapers attack him .." ...interview continues covering the election .. worth listening to.
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Old 24-05-2017, 12:20 PM   #128
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I have never voted.

My reasons are that I have yet to find a party I could believe in.
I see MP's as part of the problem, out for themselves / those who can afford to pay for favours etc..

But.... I am so sickened by the government we have now I am honestly thinking about registering to vote, so on the day I can have the option to vote against them. If I did so, I would vote to make it count (Labour) Jeremy Corbyn makes a lot of the right noises but I still remain dubious.

I just don't know what to do for the best.

Thoughts on this would be most appreciated.

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The red/blue paradigm

If the constitution party actually gets going and does not get corrupted and taken over along the way, then I too may actually register to vote.
Until then I dont consent to a system which forces our military to conduct unlawful wars attacking sovereign nation against international law and against the will of our nation.
I am NOT complicit in the death of ordinary people who happen to live in a land where big companies want to exploit their resources, I am vehemently opposed to such depraved barbarity and loss of life on an enormous scale.

We vote red = war
we vote blue = war
we dont vote = war ( but we havent got blood on our hands afterwards)
There is only 1 choice for me in this political arena..the last one.
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Old 24-05-2017, 12:25 PM   #129
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Voting is the illusion of choice in my honest opinion geta'
The red/blue paradigm

If the constitution party actually gets going and does not get corrupted and taken over along the way, then I too may actually register to vote.
Until then I dont consent to a system which forces our military to conduct unlawful wars attacking sovereign nation against international law and against the will of our nation.
I am NOT complicit in the death of ordinary people who happen to live in a land where big companies want to exploit their resources, I am vehemently opposed to such depraved barbarity and loss of life on an enormous scale.

We vote red = war
we vote blue = war
we dont vote = war ( but we havent got blood on our hands afterwards)
There is only 1 choice for me in this political arena..the last one.
I decided not to register in the end.

Well that and the fact I broke my foot so couldn't get to the Council to sign the Opt out register. I wonder why you cant opt out online?

Anyway, I don't feel too bad about not voting. I think I had a moment of madness thinking I could make a difference.
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FWIW I will definitely vote Labour.
I agree with nearly all their policies (ie renationalisation of utilities, railways, increase corporation tax, etc). They are the sort of things Labour had a big chance to do when they won in '97, but Blair was a massive let down in many ways - far too cosy with spivs and corporations.
A large-scale redistribution of wealth is needed in this country. People are working harder for less reward. Ok, in the 70s maybe the unions did become too powerful, but the pendulum has swung back too far the other way now.
To me, Brexit is a bit of a sideshow that won't make any difference. Corbyn is naturally anti-EU anyway, and would not block it if he won. It's the Blairite wing who are pro-EU.
(Also, Corbyn is one of the very few MPs who is openly pro-Palestinian).
I think bliar was a stooge from the get go personally
john Smith done all the leg work and won the people over with his no nonsense straight talking approach which was a breath of fresh air and had been desired by the uk political system for quite some time..his fatal heart attack will always leave question marks in my mind, simply as he genuinely seemed like a good man, they dont seem to do well in British politics..
Then in steps Bliar..the smiling assassin and within 7 years there are over a million dead innocent Iraqis, many of that figure were children..
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I've had zero faith in party politics since before Mr Icke was a Green Party candidate.

What would you like me to do, weld the ballot box shut?
If we look at the way the Scottish referendum was conducted, people taking sacks full of votes in their own cars to be counted..the outcome will be what they wanted it to be..welded or not
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Following news of the attack, Prime Minister Theresa May and her rivals rightly suspended their campaigns.
If they resume before the poll on June 8, the disputes will be more subdued than before. It will be harder for May to insist, as she did in an interview a few hours before the attack, that the choice facing the British public is the “most crucial” of her lifetime.


Even political preferences are hard to shift. After all, the murder last year of pro-European British parliamentarian Jo Cox, days before the referendum on membership of the European Union, did not visibly change the eventual outcome.

The Manchester attack will nonetheless change the agenda. Yesterday the focus was on May’s decision to backtrack on a policy in her party’s election manifesto about the costs of social care.
For the next two and a half weeks, questions of economic growth and taxation will take a backseat.

That should play to the strengths of the Prime Minister, who had direct responsibility for security during her six years as Britain’s interior minister. Tragedy makes electoral politics seem trivial, but can still bring political consequences.
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Well at least your agreeing now to paying taxes (as we all benefit from the services they pay for).

Yes the government just hires people directly (public) or indirectly (privatised) and doesn't do anything themselves, however as it is them who pay (using tax money so us really i agree) they can regulate the costs.

If the NHS went truelly private (0 government funding) no working class citizen would have children and would die as soon as they required emergency medical care.

Even as they privatise the NHS (there isnt enough money coming in through NI to cover the NHS bills which is why they use other tax money to boost its support) the costing is part funded with state money this means that while its expensive you can afford the healthcare.

Personally i want a revolution i want a new form of government as democracy has long since passed its usefulness. It's high time we modernised it.

However your vote still counts. Plenty of MP's go against the cabal's policies. They win occasionally (referendum is an example). The cabal cant blackmail/buy every policy they want in place as they can't push to hard or they risk revolt. So they make sure their main agenda goes forward, but the middle/lower parts we can fight them on. I can even imagine their think tanks saying okay, such an such population needs a win they're getting too fed up, here's what they want changed whats the least damaging one we can give them to prevent a revolt.

Now even if any win we get is chosen to be allowed by them, that does not change the fact it is a win, sure its not the big win, but to move a mountain you do it small bit at a time. The more wins we get the less we need. This is the thing about tyrannical leadership, if they want willing co-operation they have to give small wins to their slaves, eventually they give so many that the slaves decide to go for the big one (freedom). The flipside is if they don't give these wins they face revolt which makes their slaves useless so its not good for business. They then can either crumble (like most empires) or they go full on tyranny and start to be slave masters by force (which means they then have to fight resistance forever until they loose or the slaves are pretty much all dead).

Every negative leader has lost before they even start its just a matter of time you can not instil your negativity on others without them fighting back, you can slowdown the retaliation but you can not stop it. We are not purely prey we are both prey/hunter. humans when they need to will fight for survival the cabal know this, this is why they try to change things a tiny bit at a time. Going slowly slows the retaliation response (as it takes some a while to figure out they are oppressed) but make no mistake a day will come they tip toe to far judging by random peoples reactions more and more i'd say we are getting close to that day, more an more people are getting pissed off.
yes you are right more people are getting pissed and I believe it's important we get pissed at the right people

getting pissed at people who are ''just doing their job'' isn't going to help as by the very definition they are not making the decisions

in fact as Icke has been pointing out for years those people will be changed by the tip toe totalitarianism just the same as every one else

I will come back to this in a bit I like taking to reasonable people but I have to do some work lol ( I am not an anarchist in the sense I refuse to contribute to society , I do see a way out of this and it doesn't mean we have to burn the world down )
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Not sure how it goes with voting in your country. But not voting is allowing them that rule to continue to do so. If you dont have a choice, then find an independent and give that person the vote as a protest to the big parties.

what was that quote? all it takes for evil to conquer is for good men to do nothing! or something like that.
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