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Exclamation Timebomb at the Elm Guest House - Mail Story

Timebomb at Elm Guest House: Pop stars, a bishop and a top politician appear on a list seized by police investigating child abuse at the London hotel in the 1980s

Police have reopened investigation after new information emerged that suggests the hotel was a venue for a paedophile ring of VIPs

Former co-owner Carole Kasir said to have list of high-profile visitors
Could this be the biggest Establishment cover-up yet?
By Stephen Wright and Richard Pendlebury

PUBLISHED: 00:27, 2 February 2013 | UPDATED: 00:27, 2 February 2013
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Dark secrets: The former Elm Guest House was raided by the 1980s and the owners charged with running a disorderly house

Peter Hatton-Bornshin killed himself six days after his 28th birthday. He had taken an overdose of codeine and choked to death. ‘The tragic end to a tragic life,’ is how the coroner summed up the stark facts presented to the inquest.

And who at the time would disagree? Peter was only a baby when his father died in an accident. He was orphaned at 13 when his mother threw herself in front of a train. His stepfather then handed Peter and his older brother to social services.

And that is how Peter ended up at the Grafton Close Children’s Home, which was run by Richmond borough council in South-West London. Truly, he was a lost soul.

When his life finally came to an end in a Kingston-upon-Thames bedsit, he left a note which explained that he feared he would be unable to control his violent fantasies against women if he remained alive.

This personality disorder had caused him briefly to be a patient at Broadmoor mental hospital. His case worker said that while he did not consider Peter to be a danger to society, his mental problems were partly a result of the abuse he had suffered while in local authority care. One line in his suicide note seemed to refer to this. It read: ‘I will get those bastards.’

But while it was the ‘tragic end to a tragic life’, his story does not finish there.

Eighteen years after his death, the police are again looking at the Peter Hatton-Bornshin case, as part of a wider investigation, launched last month, into allegations that in the early Eighties a paedophile ring of VIPs preyed on boys from the Grafton Close Children’s Home.

If the historic allegations at the heart of Operation Fernbridge are proved, they would represent one of the more sensational and disturbing Establishment sex scandals of the modern era.

Long-existing allegations of a cover-up would again have to be aired.

During a police raid on a property in central London last month, detectives seized a list of names of high-profile alleged visitors to the Elm Guest House in Barnes, South-West London — a gay-friendly establishment, and one where under-age rent boys and children from the Grafton Close home were reportedly brought to have sex with adult men.

The list includes a number of senior MPs, a high-ranking policeman, a leading tycoon, figures from the National Front and Sinn Fein, an official of the Royal Household, an MI5 officer, two pop stars and the traitorous Soviet spy Anthony Blunt.

Cyril Smith, the late Liberal MP for Rochdale, has already been named as a regular at the guest house, where he allegedly met teenage rent boys when the homosexual age of consent was 21.

The guest house has also been linked to a now-defunct Tory fringe group that promoted homosexual rights.

Call for action: here has been renewed interest in Elm Guest House when Labour MP Tom Watson called for an investigation into the political links of notorious paedophile Peter Righton


Sex offender: Peter Righton had been a leading consultant on children's homes when he was found guilty of pornographic offences

Operation Fernbridge detectives are also believed to be on the trail of almost two dozen photographs that are supposed to have been taken by the guest-house owner — which place a number of these figures from the worlds of politics, showbusiness and national security at her establishment.

Some pictures are said to show these men in the company of under-age boys.
New police interest in the Elm Guest House allegations stems from October last year, when the campaigning Labour MP Tom Watson called for an investigation into the political links of one Peter Righton, a notorious paedophile who had first been exposed 20 years before.

In September 1992, Righton pleaded guilty to three charges of importing or possessing obscene material — paedophile gay porn — after customs officers at Dover intercepted two packages addressed to him.

It was a squalid case that in other circumstances might have warranted only local interest.

But Righton, then aged 66, was no ordinary child sex offender. He had been a very senior and respected figure in the field of residential child care, and a former consultant to the charity the National Children’s Bureau, whose patrons included the then Health Minister, Virginia Bottomley.

After his conviction, it emerged that Righton was a founder member of the Paedophile Information Exchange — a contact group for men interested in sex with children. He is now believed to be dead.

Westminster sources say that following his intervention in the House, Mr Watson received more than 200 phone calls, many of them from alleged victims of paedophile abuse by public figures unconnected with Righton. The MP passed the information on to the police.

Righton’s links to figures in the Thatcher government are still being assessed by detectives.

The Mail understands that no formal decision has been taken yet on whether Watson’s allegations will be formally probed.

However, one person who contacted Mr Watson had specific information about boys from Grafton Close Children’s Home being abused at the Elm Guest House.

In 1982, Britain was a very different place for gay males than it is today. Only 15 years had passed since homosexual acts between consenting adults had been decriminalised.

Gay public figures did not come out of the closet voluntarily and places where they met were still necessarily discreet. Apparently one such rendezvous was the Elm Guest House in Rocks Lane, Barnes.

On the list: Soviet spy Anthony Blunt is one of a number of high-profile figures alleged to have visited Elm Guest House

It was only yards from Barnes Common, which was, and still is, a well-known gay cruising ground.

Run by Indian-born Haroon Kasir and his German wife Carole, the guest house was openly advertised in the gay press of the time as nothing more sinister than a place where homosexual men could meet.

There was a sauna with ‘video facilities’ and a solarium.

One publication to ‘strongly recommend’ the guest house to its readers was the newsletter of the Conservative Group for Homosexual Equality. There is a review of it in a June 1982 edition.

The CGHE campaigned for the lowering of the gay age of consent to 16.
One of its chairmen was Ian Harvey, a junior foreign office minister who was forced to quit government in 1958 after being caught having sex with a Coldstream guardsman in a London park.

Other residents of Rocks Lane were aware that the Elm Guest House was unlike the other small hotels in what was then a ‘scruffy’ area. Some understood it to be a brothel.

Yesterday, another long-time resident told us: ‘It had a reputation. Somebody told me that their daughter had come home and saw a lot of naked men in the front room as she walked past.
‘She was very shocked. I don’t know if she made a complaint to police about it. I just assumed it was a male brothel.’

The woman, who did not wish to be named, witnessed a 1982 police raid which saw Mr and Mrs Kasir and two others arrested. One of those detained was a 17-year-old rent boy who acted as ‘in-house masseur’.

We understand he was a teenage actor who had appeared on television in Doctor Who, as well as on stage at a Royal Command performance.

The youth — paid more than £100 a night when working at Elm Guest House — was initially charged with assisting in running the brothel.

The charge was later dropped. This week, he declined to comment when approached by the Mail.

Undercover police officers had been inside the property for a number of days posing as clients, while watching sex parties that took place there.

A planned police raid had to be brought forward after a hidden police radio was activated by accident. Officers had hoped to catch several dozen clients — and who knows how many public figures — but there were fewer than ten customers there when the operation was compromised.

The Kasirs were subsequently charged with running a disorderly house. At the Old Bailey the following year they were convicted, fined and given suspended sentences.

All other charges in relation to the raid had been dropped by then.

We understand that the police had become interested in the guest house not simply because it was a male brothel, but because of concerns for an under-age boy at the address.

At the time of the raid, the child was removed from the premises and placed in local authority care.

Regular: Former Liberal MP Sir Cyril Smith has already been named as a frequent visitor to the house where he would allegedly meet teenage rent boys

So where was the child ‘safely’ accommodated following his rescue? At the Grafton Close Children’s Home in Hounslow, some eight miles away . . .

Several figures at the centre of these allegations are no longer alive. One of them is Carole Kasir, a diabetic, who died of an insulin overdose aged 48, in 1990.

Shortly after her death, a child protection campaigner from the National Association Of Young People In Care (NAYPIC) called for a criminal investigation into events at Elm Guest House.

The campaigner claimed that he had been told by Mrs Kasir that boys had been brought in from a children’s home for sex. She had told him she had photographs or video of many establishment figures at her hotel, including a bishop.

One photograph allegedly showed a former cabinet minister in a sauna with a naked boy.

The same campaigner told us this week that he could not speak at length because the police wanted to interview him.

However, he claimed he knew of 11 boys from Grafton Close Children’s Home who had been abused at the Elm Guest House.

He added: ‘Carole Kasir had logbooks, names, times, dates, even pictures of people who went in and out of Elm Guest House. Her house was raided in the Eighties.

‘The police say it was done by a local force, but I know it was done by Special Branch. That evidence — of who visited Elm Guest House — no longer exists.

‘I’ll leave people to draw their own conclusions, but Carole Kasir was held without charge for three days, and you don’t do that on a run-of-the-mill vice raid. There was more to it than that.’

He added: ‘There were boys found in the home, but they were only ever interviewed as witnesses to the brothel, never as victims of abuse.

‘I won’t say any more as I don’t want to risk prejudicing this inquiry, because finally it seems the police are doing the right thing.’

The same allegations were pursued for several years by Mary Moss, a former colleague of the campaigner at NAYPIC (which is now defunct).

Ms Moss is clearly a troubled soul, who on her blog website claims that she, too, was abused as a child.

In another online posting, apparently written by her, she described meeting Carole Kasir. ‘She told me she was running a hotel and had some fab parties.

‘Yes, there were prominent people there but, hey, this was a nice suburb and [the guest house] was her business . . . but it was only on that night the police raided, when she stupidly thought it was just gay-bashing, that her eyes were peeled open for years to come about what was going on under her nose.’

Ms Moss believes Carole Kasir was murdered to cover up for the famous people who had used her brothel.

Detectives now investigating the allegations of paedophilia at Rocks Lane have been in a protracted dialogue with Ms Moss, which led to them executing a search warrant on her home in central London last month. There is no suggestion that she was involved in any offences.

What, then, is the truth about Elm Guest House and Grafton Close Children’s Home, which have both long since closed?

The acid test for the Operation Fernbridge detectives is whether or not — as happened in the Jimmy Savile child sex abuse inquiry — there is now an ‘avalanche’ of credible witnesses and victims, encouraged by this new investigation to unburden themselves after years of nursing horrible secrets.

The police need several victims telling the same stories in order to make a case
. The fallout from the Savile revelations means there is renewed interest in historic child abuse allegations against famous figures. And the police do not want to be accused of doing nothing again.

We have seen in the case of Lord McAlpine what can happen when an apparently politically-motivated witchhunt latches onto an innocent man.

But there is the other, longer-term human cost. The abused can become abusers in a perpetual cycle. Such might have been the case with the tragic figure of Peter Hatton-Bornshin.

At his inquest, the coroner paid tribute to him by saying: ‘It is clear he had decided to avoid causing any distress or grief to other people by taking his own life.’

But were Peter’s traumatic ‘fantasies’ really about women?

A child protection campaigner told us this week: ‘Peter was a victim at Elm Guest House in the Seventies — but by the time I knew of him in the Eighties, he was an abuser.

‘He had been groomed as a child, but he crossed the line at some stage: as an adult, he was organising the abuse of kids. By the mid-1980s we were pushing for his arrest. We weren’t treating him as a victim any more.’



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2JjVGtPFi

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I wonder if the media will now reconsider the endless promoting of the gay agenda.

You don't have to be Einstein to notice the alarming occurrence of the word 'gay' in the article about paedophile child abuse.

I expect a forum backlash from the usual suspects.
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Thanks for posting the article princessofwands. I was going to link to it so hope you don't mind me joining in here.
What struck me on reading that piece in this morning's Daily Mail was that these paedo stories are just about the last sex scandal articles that the newspapers run.
At one time you'd read all sorts , homosexual intrigues, people caught out wife swapping, " our reporter made his excuses and left" brothel exposes.
The Sunday papers especially were full of it.
These days the only taboo seems to be paedos and paedo alleged cover ups, nothing else much is deemed worthy of inclusion because yesterday's 'sex scandals' are today's accepted behaviour and don't sell newspapers. Nobody's that interested in what consenting adults get up to in private.
Kids can't consent and abuse is evil, it seems as if the PTB-then knew what was going on at this place and because powerful people were involved then it was all hushed up at the time. Victims were treated as suspects or worse and perpetrators were free to go about their vile activities .
I don't expect much will come of this, it didn't at the time and until the last really prominent abuser has died and can't be prosecuted then all we're likely to see is a window dressing exercise.

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I wonder if the media will now reconsider the endless promoting of the gay agenda.

You don't have to be Einstein to notice the alarming occurrence of the word 'gay' in the article about paedophile child abuse.

I expect a forum backlash from the usual suspects.
Well what do you expect, there is decent people in the world who happen to be gay, yet we got idiots spouting off conspiracies that it's an agenda to depopulate the world and desensitize and blablablabla.
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Well what do you expect, there is decent people in the world who happen to be gay, yet we got idiots spouting off conspiracies that it's an agenda to depopulate the world and desensitize and blablablabla.
I thought the news story about the Elm Guest house demonstrated the agenda perfectly.

The gay agenda and lobby groups are acting as conduits for child abuse.

I assume you've heard of Peter Tatchell right?

Why don't you have a little look at what he thinks of sex with children?


Here he is:
Peter Tatchell: The UK should look at lowering the age of consent to 14
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/21...consent-to-14/

Making a case for legalising paedophilia in the gay press.

Question we should be asking now is if these are the issues at work in the gay movement and gay media, would you trust a gay man to be alone with your 14 year old son? With them getting brainwashed by Tatchel's paedo-politics I know I wouldn't.



So say they DO lower it to 14..... and we no doubt get a wave of underage pregnancies and social dissorder as a result of a child having a 14 year old mum. What then? Simple, Tatchell comes back and says 'it's because they aren't properly informed about sex. That's why we should reduce the age of consent to 10 so they are properly informed and become responsible at an earlier age.....etc etc...'

Someone needs to stop this man, and one thing is for sure, with the 'holy cow' status homosexuals enjoy in the UK, it won't be the general public, and their own cheerleading of this dubious man, it won't be the gays either.

So nothing will be done and without opposition from some quarter expect legalised peadophilia within 10 years.


Yeah, cheers Pete you rotten pervert you. A common purpose production.....laying the ground for the ruin of UK society.

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Paedophile men who are homosexual will, presumably abuse boys, non homosexual male paedophiles will abuse girls.
All paedophiles abuse children the gay ones aren't worse than the straight ones, they are all twisted perverts.
It serves no purpose conflating paedophilia with homosexuality. Child abuse is child abuse. If convicted of it the paedos should be put down, to stop them ever doing it again.
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Paedophile men who are homosexual will, presumably abuse boys, non homosexual male paedophiles will abuse girls.
All paedophiles abuse children the gay ones aren't worse than the straight ones, they are all twisted perverts.
It serves no purpose conflating paedophilia with homosexuality. Child abuse is child abuse. If convicted of it the paedos should be put down, to stop them ever doing it again.


As I have outlined above, the gay lobby see sex with boys as acceptable and are pushing to have it legalised.

There are countless examples of it if you look.

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The list includes a number of senior MPs, a high-ranking policeman, a leading tycoon, figures from the National Front and Sinn Fein, an official of the Royal Household, an MI5 officer, two pop stars and the traitorous Soviet spy Anthony Blunt.

Cyril Smith, the late Liberal MP for Rochdale, has already been named as a regular at the guest house, where he allegedly met teenage rent boys when the homosexual age of consent was 21.

The guest house has also been linked to a now-defunct Tory fringe group that promoted homosexual rights.

Call for action: here has been renewed interest in Elm Guest House when Labour MP Tom Watson called for an investigation into the political links of notorious paedophile Peter Righton
Interesting that these two groups have always been portrayed in media as somehow anti establishment, more proof in my mind they all work together at the higher levels.
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As I have outlined above, the gay lobby see sex with boys as acceptable and are pushing to have it legalised.

There are countless examples of it if you look.
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Fair comment buddy, I'll give you any gay 'celebs' or pressure groups if, as you say; they can be shown to be promoting the sexual abuse of children, it's not something I know about.
However a blanket condemnation of all homosexuals can't be right cos most gays aren't paedos and would presumably be as revolted by child abuse as we are.

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Interesting that these two groups have always been portrayed in media as somehow anti establishment, more proof in my mind they all work together at the higher levels.
Possibly, but it could be the case that the SF or NF people involved had been turned by intelligence precisely because of their perversion.
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I thought the news story about the Elm Guest house demonstrated the agenda perfectly.

The gay agenda and lobby groups are acting as conduits for child abuse.

I assume you've heard of Peter Tatchell right?

Why don't you have a little look at what he thinks of sex with children?


Here he is:
Peter Tatchell: The UK should look at lowering the age of consent to 14
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/21...consent-to-14/

Making a case for legalising paedophilia in the gay press.

Someone needs to stop this man, and one thing is for sure, with the 'holy cow' status homosexuals enjoy in the UK, it won't be the general public, and their own cheerleading of this dubious man, it won't be the gays either.
It is still not fair to paint all the gay lobby with that brush, though i'd grant you it's troubling the amount of access to the MSM that man gets. The glitterati and media luvvies were out in force to celebrate his 60th birthday last year:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/01/29...ty-fundraiser/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ja...asure-birthday
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I think Cromwell street need re-investigating. It was known police and high up officials visited there for sex with care children.


Anyone got more info on this?
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Interesting that these two groups have always been portrayed in media as somehow anti establishment, more proof in my mind they all work together at the higher levels.
well spotted. You also have the intelligence services in there too. It really isnt such a long shot to think that using the filming facilities in the sauna could be a way to use the intelligence services to black mail politicians to enforce the agenda.
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Didn't "Peter Pan of Pop" Cliff Richard used to frequent this guest house?

Another dodgy character. I don't buy his holier than thou image. Even at the age of 9 when "mistletoe and wine" came out, I thought he was dodgy. I got 100 lines because i was miming that song.
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As I have outlined above, the gay lobby see sex with boys as acceptable and are pushing to have it legalised.

There are countless examples of it if you look.
I think what happened in the 70s & 80s was was a certain amount of cooperation between gay rights groups and paedophile rights groups who were both campaigning for their 'rights'.

A good example of that was Ian Campbell Dunn. He was a gay rights campaigner from Scotland. In 1967 the law was changed to decriminalise homosexual relations, but this only applied in England and Wales, so he began campaigning to have the law apply in Scotland too.

He worked for several gay and lesbian gay rights groups before joining the Labour Party. He also founded the Paedophile Information Exchange, however, he claimed not to be a paedophile himself, but was interested in the political and campaigning for rights side of it.

Because you had lots of gay rights groups at this time the gay paedophiles were able to use these as a way to communicate/hide/legitimise what they were doing. It did certainly blur the lines and allow people like Tatchell some respectability.

If there is an agenda, I think it was the paedophile groups, who saw the success that the gay rights campaigners were having in the late 60s, and thought they could organise to do the same and could use some of the same groups & methods in order to achieve their goals.

For this reason I really don't see a 'gay agenda' but I do feel that gay rights movement was hijacked by paedophiles.
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Didn't "Peter Pan of Pop" Cliff Richard used to frequent this guest house?

Another dodgy character. I don't buy his holier than thou image. Even at the age of 9 when "mistletoe and wine" came out, I thought he was dodgy. I got 100 lines because i was miming that song.
Yes there seems to be a list of names recovered in a police raid and some reports on the internet show the list with his name on it.
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Paedophile men who are homosexual will, presumably abuse boys, non homosexual male paedophiles will abuse girls.....
1) Whats this non-homosexual classification?

On a much more serious note

% Gay men = 6 (according to gov stats)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/de...igrationpolicy

% Abused children under 13 who are male = 30

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/reso..._wda87833.html

ergo Gay men are 5 times more likely to rape children than non-gay
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