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Old 02-02-2012, 12:28 PM   #1
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MILWAUKEE (AP) — About 550 people have filed claims for restitution for alleged sexual abuse by clergy in the Archdiocese of Milwaukee — the most of the eight dioceses in the U.S. that have sought bankruptcy protection, a lawyer in the Milwaukee case said Wednesday.

James Stang, a bankruptcy lawyer who represents creditors in the Wisconsin case, estimated about 550 claims had been filed by the Wednesday afternoon deadline set by the court. The Milwaukee Archdiocese filed for bankruptcy protection last year, saying pending sex-abuse lawsuits could leave it with debts it couldn't afford.

The archdiocese has paid more than $30 million in settlements and other court costs related to alleged clergy abuse. The archdiocese only had $4.6 million in assets to be applied to claims in 2010. The bankruptcy court will decide the final payout, archdiocese spokeswoman Julie Wolf said.

A victim's advocacy group called the number of filings "extraordinarily tragic," but said that represented only a small portion of people abused by clergy.

"It's sad and it just shows how devastating these crimes have been on this community but it's obviously far from over," said Peter Isely, the Midwest director for the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.

More than a dozen sex abuse lawsuits pending against the Milwaukee Archdiocese have been halted due to the bankruptcy proceedings. They include allegations against a priest accused of abusing some 200 boys at a suburban school for deaf students from 1950 to 1974.

The other seven Catholic dioceses in the U.S. that have filed for bankruptcy since the clergy abuse scandal erupted in 2002 in Boston are in Davenport, Iowa; Fairbanks, Alaska; Portland, Ore.; San Diego; Spokane, Wash.; Tucson, Ariz.; and Wilmington, Del. Two other religious orders have also filed for bankruptcy.

Of the seven other dioceses that also filed for bankruptcy, the number of claims ranged from about 40 to 250, Stang said. About 535 claimants had come forward against the Oregon Province of the Jesuits, he said.

Both Wolf and Jeff Anderson, a lawyer who represents clergy abuse victims, including some in the Milwaukee case, said it's hard to compare the cases. Anderson said each diocese represents a different number of people. And Wolf said some dioceses are incorporated differently.

Stang acknowledged some people file claims even though they weren't abused but said that was "extremely rare."

"Most people are not willing to come out and publicly say they were masturbated by someone," Stang said.

Anderson and the archdiocese both said they advertised the deadline both locally and nationally.

Anderson said his firm paid for TV and newspaper advertisements because he didn't think the archdiocese's efforts made the victims feel safe coming forward.

Wolfe disputed that. "We've just been focused on getting this message out far and wide to as many people as we could in order to make sure everybody who had a claim was able to submit it before this deadline occurred," she said.

A Feb. 9 court hearing is set for a judge to consider a request from the archdiocese to throw out some claims by people on grounds they were filed beyond the statute of limitations, they involved someone who was not an archdiocese employee or involve a victim involved in a prior settlement.

Wolf said she didn't know how many of the claims would be included in the request.

Payouts in the other bankruptcy cases have varied based on the severity of the abuse and the quality of the diocese's insurance coverage, according to Stang. For example, cases in Southern California yielded an average of about $1.2 million per claimant, he said, while the amount was far less in Fairbanks, Alaska, where less money was available.

Stang predicted the payouts wouldn't be on the generous side in Wisconsin. The creditors' committee, archdiocese and its insurance company will negotiate a dollar amount. After that, those who filed claims will negotiate between themselves on how to divide the money.

"Insurance-coverage issues in Milwaukee cases haven't been very good for survivors," he said. "The rulings by courts there have not been survivor-friendly."
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They may well be clergy, but they are not acting in a Christian manner. God does not approve of sexual abuse of any sort, and IMHO they deserve any punishment they will receive.

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Mandy, in both the old and new testaments the christian god condones the murder of children as well as their sexual relationships with adults. These acts aren't deemed abominable or unchristian as long as they are conducted within the regulations set forth by yahweh on these matters. Nowhere in new testament does jesus speak out against these regulations either, or even suggest their inappropriateness, and so, by default, the faithful find them acceptable.

If you were alive 500-2000 years ago, I doubt that you yourself would harbor your current disgust towards this behaviour. I'd wager that it's only because of today's norms, which you seem to have soaked up well, that you have a problem with child-adult relationships.

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Mandy, in both the old and new testaments the christian god condones the murder of children as well as their sexual relationships with adults. These acts aren't deemed abominable or unchristian as long as they are conducted within the regulations set forth by yahweh on these matters. Nowhere in new testament does jesus speak out against these regulations either, or even suggest their inappropriateness, and so, by default, the faithful find them acceptable.

If you were alive 500-2000 years ago, I doubt that you yourself would harbor your current disgust towards this behaviour. I'd wager that it's only because of today's norms, which you seem to have soaked up well, that you have a problem with child-adult relationships.
Hi - the NT quite clearly states that Christians are to obey the laws of the land they live in. I don't know the age of consent in Canada, but here in the UK sex below the age of 16 is unlawful, therefore Christians, along with everyone else, should observe that law. Ergo, child-abusing clergy are not to be condoned.

Below is a link to a little article that explains it better than I can:

http://www.gotquestions.org/laws-land.html

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Indeed. This is the point that is left out time and again by these allegations. Anyone who would sexually abuse a child is no Christian. Instead they are a paedophile who has infiltrated an organisation that would allow them access to children.

Of course, the usual Christian haters dont like that truth to be spoken.

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Indeed. This is the point that is left out time and again by these allegations. Anyone who would sexually abuse a child is no Christian. Instead they are a paedophile who has infiltrated an organisation that would allow them access to children.

Of course, the usual Christian haters dont like that truth to be spoken.
Yes, absolutely.

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by reading from many of the christians in this section, i am wondering if most of them had taken something, up the rear!!!!

The idiots are all victims

and it is so sad!



The best way of observing antichrist can often be found by observing christians





i fricken hate liars!!!!!!
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by reading from many of the christians in this section, i am wondering if most of them had taken something, up the rear!!!!

The idiots are all victims

and it is so sad!



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i fricken hate liars!!!!!!
Oh dear, we Christians can't win in this thread, can we?! We've all said so far that child abuse is a terrible thing and that any "clergy" doing such are not true Christians! None of us said "hooray for the child-abusing clergy", which surely would not have gone down any better! Heigh-ho!

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Oh dear, we Christians can't win in this thread, can we?! We've all said so far that child abuse is a terrible thing and that any "clergy" doing such are not true Christians! None of us said "hooray for the child-abusing clergy", which surely would not have gone down any better! Heigh-ho!

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Ever noticed how the anti's always come into a thread like Yosemite Sam?

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Ever noticed how the anti's always come into a threat like Yosemite Sam?
Yes, that they do!

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Hi - the NT quite clearly states that Christians are to obey the laws of the land they live in.
Yeah, and those laws made it legal for adults to have sexual relationships with 10-12 year olds up until recent centuries (the age of consent was even younger depending on the country and time).


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So, by your rationale, mandy, and jesus' standards, child-adult relationships are acceptable so long as the state lowers the age of consent to that of children? And also, this standard of jesus, that one must obey the state, is a perfect device to bend the people to the will of the goverment -- when laws are implemented that allow social services to take custody of your children (many are in place, already) or when laws are implemented that prohibits people from storing rainwater for their own needs jesus will be in favor of the goverment, by your rationale.

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We've all said so far that child abuse is a terrible thing and that any "clergy" doing such are not true Christians
But jesus/yahweh didn't think so. Sexual relationships with children are deemed acceptable by their standards as long as the goverment's laws do not prohibit them. Yahweh condoned it in the OT on the grounds that it was conducted in accordance with his regulations, and jesus didn't do away with those regulations. If we bring this concept of "true christianity" to it's logical conclusion one could've had sex with children and still remained a "true christian" in times when the age of consent was much lower.

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None of us said "hooray for the child-abusing clergy", which surely would not have gone down any better! Heigh-ho!
Only because the goverment has made it unlawful for adults to have sexual relationships with minors.(?) In otherwords, you'll detest it as long as it's the norm to do so.

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Oh dear, we Christians can't win in this thread, can we?!
liars cant win anywhere on the whole earth!

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We've all said so far that child abuse is a terrible thing and that any "clergy" doing such are not true Christians!
no liar is a true christian

YOU aint a true seeker of 'christ' because you think 'christ' was already here 2000 yrs ago and forgot that jesus was not talking about himself but who was to come

john 14:28 ye heard that I said to you -- I go away, and I come unto you; if ye did love me, ye would have rejoiced that I said -- I go on to the Father, because my Father is greater than I.

29`And now I have said [it] to you before it come to pass, that when it may come to pass, ye may believe;

30 I will no more talk much with you, for the ruler of this world doth come, and in me he hath nothing;


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None of us said "hooray for the child-abusing clergy", which surely would not have gone down any better! Heigh-ho!

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lying to a child is child abuse

YOU are evidence of what LIES have done to 'children', mandy!

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Yeah, and those laws made it legal for adults to have sexual relationships with 10-12 year olds up until recent centuries (the age of consent was even younger depending on the country and time).
and the proof could be Mary, herself!

At least joseph had the compassion to go against the 'church' (religion) and take in a girl that was pregnant versus have her stoned to death based on religious belief
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and the proof could be Mary, herself!

At least joseph had the compassion to go against the 'church' (religion) and take in a girl that was pregnant versus have her stoned to death based on religious belief
No he didnt. It is the husband's perogative in judaism to not have an adulterous wife stoned to death - he did nothing odd by being willing to quietly divorce her to start with. No was his staying with Mary an acceptance of adultery, but instead was because and angel had told him that Mary was NOT an adultress.
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No he didnt. It is the husband's perogative in judaism to not have an adulterous wife stoned to death - he did nothing odd by being willing to quietly divorce her to start with.
per the story she was prego before married.

IF the story has any merit, the miracle was that compassion was held, before the law of the religion,

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No was his staying with Mary an acceptance of adultery,
NO! It was compassion for a life over the acceptance of religion.

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but instead was because and angel had told him that Mary was NOT an adultress.
And then the LIARS confess the lies of the usual antichrist (against truth).

ie.... the fricken punk liars hold onto magic, angels and miracles as the reason, versus human being being capable of making a quality choice over beliefs.
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Nothing here to say they're Christians. In fact they seem to be homosexuals, and so atheists or pagans by definition, masquerading as Christians.
How freaking convienient for you suckers just to cast off all those inconvienient members that start to attract too much media attention, and wipe your records clean, eh? This blame shifting is pathethic.
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Christ's teaching was that a man was known by his action, not his organizational membership. Thus fornicators and homosexuals are by definition not Christians. Nothing to do with human law.

Move along now, nothing to see here except deviant homosexuals seeking to use the Catholic church to gain access to children.
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Christ's teaching was that a man was known by his action, not his organizational membership. Thus fornicators and homosexuals are by definition not Christians. Nothing to do with human law.

Move along now, nothing to see here except deviant homosexuals seeking to use the Catholic church to gain access to children.
So what if a man or a woman never fornicate or nor are homosexuals and they live a good life, spending time giving to others, and loving others?

Do you still damn them to hell?
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