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Old 04-01-2014, 01:11 PM   #81
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Yes, I was thinking about an earlier post by someone asking about UK recruitment and USA recruitment, from the posters/flyers we've seen there's definitely a difference; UK is community, family, local inspiration, many older family members still regard WW1 and WW2 as 'just' (ethical) wars to keep out the evil Hun and some still believe there's a nice, honest Queen to serve, honour and obey, the USA certainly looks like, as you say, the Wild West mentality, "you don't f*ck with me"...

As for the dolls...giving out the Afghan doll looks very unsubtle, but we did (do?) have Action Man etc. etc.
Forget about action figures. Remember America's Army? That was a free MMOFPS made by the US Army that first came out in 2002. They've updated it since and newest one was out last year.

I was thinking much of the developed world east or west was brave new world, China more 1984, and unstable regions like the wild west. Maybe the reality is all these elements are found in the more fertile recruiting grounds anywhere.

American recruitment ads had gone from Uncle Sam wants you to GI Joe. British ones do seem to retain some of that queen and country guilt trip theme. That wouldn't fly with most Canadians. Many reg force army dudes came from Newfoundland, where there was higher unemployment and stuff.

*Having a base nearby also makes a big difference.

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Old 06-01-2014, 11:58 PM   #82
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This man and his book should be REQUIRED reading by all high school students. http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4377.htm
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Old 07-01-2014, 10:31 AM   #83
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This man and his book should be REQUIRED reading by all high school students. http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4377.htm
Interesting. Thank you.

We had to read All Quiet On the Western Front which I'm sure is still on the curriculum everywhere. Bet kids read that then go play COD, BF, or America's Army. Then they go talk to a recruiter who shows them pictures of attack helicopters and says they won't have to literally get their hands dirty (unless they're downed then fun times begin).

I wonder how many teachers use books written by vets of more recent conflicts.

Sure there are still many honorable military people out there though it's hard to think of war as an honorable business.
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Old 07-01-2014, 10:54 AM   #84
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I would never join no military ever no matter what post you have.

Like i said before i found out about electronic mind control at school in 1992, and when my life was destroyed in last 90's, i started getting thoughts about joining the uk navy.

Thankfully i never did, and rather have a nothing life than one in military.

Mind control and military go hand in hand, and i am sure they get alot of there recruits today with mind control techs. Thankfully i never would ever join such a thing being a pacifist all my life.

If i have been a civilian all my life and had these techs used on me, you can only wonder what they do to people in the military. I would never join such things.

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Old 07-01-2014, 11:42 AM   #85
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Andy you and Deca would hit it off.
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Old 09-01-2014, 05:22 AM   #86
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This man and his book should be REQUIRED reading by all high school students. http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4377.htm
Yes it should. It's a great book, which is why it will never be required reading in public schools.
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:29 AM   #87
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Yes it should. It's a great book, which is why it will never be required reading in public schools.
Prolly haven't read a book of "fiction" since high school but you never read 1984, Brave New World, All Quiet On the Western Front, Catcher In the Rye, or Lord of the Flies? I thought those were quite good...maybe not as informative in the facts and figures sense but great for youngsters.

*This reminds me I still have to read Slaughterhouse-Five...some day...
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Old 26-01-2014, 02:15 PM   #88
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I know guys who went in the middle east, it's not necesseraly for war, sometimes they just do "humanitarian" missions. The reason why they do this is due to the modern spiritual void and to escape the sterile western way of life of production/consumption, they want to "experience" something. It's a bit like in the movie Fight Club.


One of my best mate lost his brother and decided to go to Palestine to "change his mind" for an humanitarian project. It was tough, he was beaten up by a militia etc... but he said it was the time of his life and it was a quest of self discovery. There was no time for "depression" there, which is a very western problem.

I noticed there are more and more ads to join the army (they even stylize it as if it was a videogame like Call of Duty or Battlefield).

I heard that there is a proportional correlation between unemployement and army enrollment. Some believe that the massive job losses are politically intentional for that reason.
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Old 27-01-2014, 07:05 AM   #89
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I heard once that many Vietnam vets were purposely given negative evaluations upon discharge to damage their job prospects so they would re-enlist while the war was still going. It was also said that many chose homelessness instead.

*Arcyclus was in Vietnam and has said some pretty interesting things about army intelligence and their role in race baiting and race dividing soldiers at the rear with specifically chosen movies.

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Old 27-01-2014, 08:47 PM   #90
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I heard once that many Vietnam vets were purposely given negative evaluations upon discharge to damage their job prospects so they would re-enlist while the war was still going. It was also said that many chose homelessness instead.

*Arcyclus was in Vietnam and has said some pretty interesting things about army intelligence and their role in race baiting and race dividing soldiers at the rear with specifically chosen movies.
Thanks fishonwheels,

If you are a combat Marine and the military no longer has a need for you, or your military occupation, you get fu#cked with. Simple as that. The ugliest part was the race baiting. From the very first day I left Vietnam until I exited the military, 9 months later, there was deliberate, and obvious race baiting. The mess halls were a spectacle of Blacks eating with Blacks and whites eating with whites. Roving agitators made sure there was racial disharmony on the base.

I remember being fu#ked with all the time.

Another way to control you was drugs.

There wasn't to much else to do on base, except do drugs. The movie theaters and clubs seemed to always have something racial going on. I believe drugs were made easily available to Marines from the same people who brought us race baiting(military intelligence)?

It's a shame, many Marines were released from the military with Undesirable Discharges because of drug use. Any Discharge from the military other than an Honorable one, guarantees you a menial job, and the scorn of society, for the rest of you life.

It's a fu#king shame, good, brave, Marines who served their country well, were just chewed up and spit out like that.

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Old 27-01-2014, 10:58 PM   #91
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Thanks fishonwheels,

If you are a combat Marine and the military no longer has a need for you, or your military occupation, you get fu#cked with. Simple as that. The ugliest part was the race baiting. From the very first day I left Vietnam until I exited the military, 9 months later, there was deliberate, and obvious race baiting. The mess halls were a spectacle of Blacks eating with Blacks and whites eating with whites. Roving agitators made sure there was racial disharmony on the base.
I remember you saying when still in Vietnam none of this was ever done, and race didn't get in the way of what you had to do. So why in your opinion was this done to soldiers waiting to get processed out?

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I remember being fu#ked with all the time.

Another way to control you was drugs.

There wasn't to much else to do on base, except do drugs. The movie theaters and clubs seemed to always have something racial going on. I believe drugs were made easily available to Marines from the same people who brought us race baiting(military intelligence)?
As if civilians weren't doing drugs in those days.

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It's a shame, many Marines were released from the military with Undesirable Discharges because of drug use. Any Discharge from the military other than an Honorable one, guarantees you a menial job, and the scorn of society, for the rest of you life.

It's a fu#king shame, good, brave, Marines who served their country well, were just chewed up and spit out like that.
And from what I understand most types of other than honorable discharges meant you could re-enlist if you wished?
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I remember you saying when still in Vietnam none of this was ever done, and race didn't get in the way of what you had to do. So why in your opinion was this done to soldiers waiting to get processed out?
Right! I also spent 1 year here in the states before going to Vietnam. Never saw anything racial.





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As if civilians weren't doing drugs in those days.
Yeah, it was the early 70's. Everybody was experimenting with drugs, that's for sure. There just seamed to be an extraordinary amount on base?



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And from what I understand most types of other than honorable discharges meant you could re-enlist if you wished?
I don't think it works that way? Anything less than an Honorable (eg, medical, general, dishonorable,) means the military doesn't want you anymore for some reason.

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It would take a week long seminar to talk about this one, and everything from psychology to school indoctrination to the military entertainment complex to other propaganda, financial reasons, family tradition or pressure. In some places of course people are forced to join. Some people are disillusioned and lost after school, looking for escape, identity, belonging, income, and opportunity for more schooling and so on. Some people join out of genuine belief that they're helping their country, like Pat Tillman. Some people join, like someone I knew, for as little incentive as a travel bag with the Army logo on it.
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It would take a week long seminar to talk about this one, and everything from psychology to school indoctrination to the military entertainment complex to other propaganda, financial reasons, family tradition or pressure. In some places of course people are forced to join. Some people are disillusioned and lost after school, looking for escape, identity, belonging, income, and opportunity for more schooling and so on. Some people join out of genuine belief that they're helping their country, like Pat Tillman. Some people join, like someone I knew, for as little incentive as a travel bag with the Army logo on it.
I joined when I was 17 years old. I was in trouble a lot and my mom didn't know what else to do with me?
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Right! I also spent 1 year here in the states before going to Vietnam. Never saw anything racial.

Yeah, it was the early 70's. Everybody was experimenting with drugs, that's for sure. There just seamed to be an extraordinary amount on base?

I don't think it works that way? Anything less than an Honorable (eg, medical, general, dishonorable,) means the military doesn't want you anymore for some reason.
So what in your opinion was their purpose for dividing along race lines and getting guys on drugs?
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So what in your opinion was their purpose for dividing along race lines and getting guys on drugs?
The only thing I could figure is there were thousands returning form Vietnam awaiting orders and discharges? They didn't know what to do with us? They didn't want us all uniting and comparing notes on controversial issues concerning Agent Orange, Pows and MIAs, war crimes, and other pleasantries.

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The only thing I could figure is there were thousands returning form Vietnam awaiting orders and discharges? They didn't know what to do with us? They didn't want us all uniting and comparing notes on controversial issues concerning Agent Orange, Pows and MIAs, war crimes, and other pleasantries.
Makes sense I think. Everywhere you go people are most afraid of those they've taken something from or kept down...honest observation.

So this is how it works currently:

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When you get discharged from the military, you are either administratively discharged or punitively discharged. The overwhelming majority of discharges are administrative and fall into one of three categories: honorable, general under honorable conditions, and other than honorable.
Was this how it worked back then?

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A general discharge under honorable conditions is meant for those who generally performed honorably but had some problems. The most common reasons for a general discharge that I've seen are alcohol or drug abuse, excessive absences, Article 15 reasons and, occasionally, mental health problems.

The third type of administrative discharge, other than honorable, is equivalent to a bad-conduct discharge. It generally results in the loss of all veterans civilian employment preference and Veterans Affairs benefits.
What sort of behaviors typified the "bad conduct discharge?"
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Makes sense I think. Everywhere you go people are most afraid of those they've taken something from or kept down...honest observation.

So this is how it works currently:



Was this how it worked back then?



What sort of behaviors typified the "bad conduct discharge?"
Or the "other than honorable discharge?"

Did court martial usually go with it? This is not an assumption of guilt or an insinuation on their character btw.

Can repeat violent behaviors towards fellow servicemen be a cause of such disciplinary actions?
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In case I haven't said it plain enough, I wouldn't advise joining the military and fight foreign wars.

What happens if you get severely injured? Who's going to take care of you? You think the government will? This government will chew you up and spit you out. This government doesn't give a shit about you. Why on earth would you give a shit about it?

The USVA is putting political correctness ahead of patient care. Military.com has several discussions going on the subject of the Opiate pain killer drugs are getting harder and harder to get prescribed. Seems the USVA doesn't want you "on drugs"? Never mind, you may need those drugs to kill the pain? I know such a person who has had back surgery and relies on Opiate drugs to kill the pain. What's to become of him when some ignorant, politically correct, airhead takes away those drugs?

I just got through writing a thread on......

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269182

About a personal experience of mine where the USVA refuses to prescribe
Antibiotics for me for a severe Flu I have had for 3 weeks. Instead the USVA calls the police and has me escorted out of the building.

This is what the USVA is coming to.

My advice is to keep your sanity and your health by not joining the US military.
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