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Old 03-04-2013, 09:38 AM   #60541
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Well well, nice one Kaz, this guy is just one example of the many who are going to use #paedobritain to plug his articles and books..

One of the reasons I made the stand that I did, is that I did not wish to have any association with anybody who profited either financially or wished to booster their career..

I still stand by that..

But thanks for highlighting yet another 'Abuse Jockey' Kaz..
Personally I have no problem with people gaining financially or boosting their career, as long as the facts are truthful and it results in awareness and justice for abused.

#PaedoBritain Action Day certainly helped spread awareness and hopefully will have instigated many to question and research further themselves. This is not only about the past, but also to hopefully make a better future.
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Will Black is a writer and journalist with a background in social anthropology and mental health care.

His forthcoming book examines relationships between psychopathy and political, economic and institutional power. It explores the idea that psychopathic cultures form and operate within social institutions to the detriment of the population.

As well as discussing a range of politicians in relation to psychopathic traits, the book covers powerful paedophile rings, abuses of organisational and economic power and ways in which pathological cultures infect and poison societies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/will-black/

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Old 03-04-2013, 10:11 AM   #60543
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Sorry, but personally I don't agree with diluting down the thread any further. I like the way people post on intuition and just follow a path that feels right to them. No offence Luv Evreone, but variety and the ability to join the dots is in my opinion what makes this thread successful.

Is the other forum pointless then do you think? This thread has been dying and that place is dead.

The other forum is about distilling. The idea is not to take any on topic stuff there until it either takes over and becomes off-topic or dies out and can be collected up and copied over. Most of the threads are either lists of stuff or subjects we've gone over so much it needs to be laid down somewhere else fresh and ordered properly. This whole thread is all over the shop. There's so much info, too much. Only we know what we have. There's new people coming to this everyday that haven't and can't read 60k posts. Not anytime soon. We have a new forum just sitting there. It looks like no one cares, do they?

This could help them and us to sift through the info. It might even help revive some interest around here. I watched the view counter and as soon as a few things were happening in that forum it shot up. People will come there and post but its not attractive enough atm, that's because there is barely anything in there. Yet, we have ALL the info it needs right here? I understand people's reservations, but this CAN work if we discuss it fully and work together at it...
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:35 AM   #60544
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Is the other forum pointless then do you think? This thread has been dying and that place is dead.

The other forum is about distilling. The idea is not to take any on topic stuff there until it either takes over and becomes off-topic or dies out and can be collected up and copied over. Most of the threads are either lists of stuff or subjects we've gone over so much it needs to be laid down somewhere else fresh and ordered properly. This whole thread is all over the shop. There's so much info, too much. Only we know what we have. There's new people coming to this everyday that haven't and can't read 60k posts. Not anytime soon. We have a new forum just sitting there. It looks like no one cares, do they?

This could help them and us to sift through the info. It might even help revive some interest around here. I watched the view counter and as soon as a few things were happening in that forum it shot up. People will come there and post but its not attractive enough atm, that's because there is barely anything in there. Yet, we have ALL the info it needs right here? I understand people's reservations, but this CAN work if we discuss it fully and work together at it...
Sorry, I don't mean to be critical, am just stating my own personal opinion. I liked the way this thread ran, the slight rambling, the community feel, the many threads running off at different angles, the sychronicity of posters, the occasional 'Ding' moments, the joining together of dots.

The majority of the facts are here within the first thousand pages and can be found with the search facilities. The following 2,000+ pages are equally important in joining together people who all care and want to try and do something. 'Divide and conquer' are the words of the elite. 'Stick together and win' should be ours.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:02 AM   #60545
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Cliff Richards the clean wholesome Christian lad who has been around for ever, is nothing of the sort, he is a satanist of the worst type.
Cliff who hides behind a mask of Christianity sold his soul to the devil for fame and fortune.
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http://www.illuminatiarchives.org/sa...anist-pervert/
I know Cliff has been linked to Savile and the Krays and I have no doubt he is gay but has lied about it his whole life but saying he's a satanist of the worst type is just speculation. It's also not illegal to be a 'pervert', it only becomes a problem when someone forces that perversion on someone else.

Also from that source - Vera Lynn is Jewish and so is Jimmy Savile....mmmm no they're not, at least not according to the genealogy that is available for anyone to look up. That they are Jewish and therefore that proves something is purely speculation not based on any evidence.

The author of that blog can't get basic things right like using 'Saville' instead of 'Savile' or Vera Lynn's real name, 'Welch' not 'Welsh' as stated.
There are still alot of hard facts being uncovered here on this thread and that's what I think should be concentrated on. Sorry Buster for the rant, it's not meant to be a dig at you!

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Old 03-04-2013, 11:28 AM   #60546
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Many thanks for all your hard work, and considerations for the thread luv evreone

I'm with sweetcheeks really. If things are slowing down here then moving stuff over there will slow this place down more, and dilute the power of what we have here.

At the same time, I really see the value - eventually - of threads which copy across info on particular strands here so it can all be read as one topic. The problem is the energy required to do so - is that the best use of our energy? If someone thinks that's the best thing they can do to contribute then I say 'go for it!'. The thing is you'd need at least two people working on each topic - one to check that everything was copied correctly and nothing missed. It's an absolutely massive undertaking.

I don't think things work too badly as it is. We have topics on here that are duplicated in the News section on other threads (where people see it who might not otherwise read here). Posting on those and then linking in here helps. As doing so does on other important and related threads like The Helicopter Thread (as I call it ).

Eventually those threads should get moved (contact a mod directly) to the Child Abuse section. In the meantime they get most footfall in News. Or should they all go directly to Child Abuse, therefore increasing the traffic in that forum? This is a topic that should be raised with the mods I reckon, wanna do that? I think their discussions on this are ongoing and they have welcomed any input.

Old threads that belong in the new section just report them to the mods again.

Personally I have enough trouble these days now that I am doing more to take 'the message' to the world outside just following along with all the great links here, without trying to follow along multiple threads in Child Abuse that are probably connected, even if those connections haven't yet been made.

Stuff that's not research-related but are really threads in their own right (I think the vid idea and much of the twitter stuff are two good examples) warrant their own threads.

Just one person's opinion - and quite enough from me on the mechanics of the forum I'm sure

Right off to see what juicy little morsels of synchronicity The Mail Online has for me today
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:52 AM   #60547
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You've highlighted all the main points.

This isn't about moving research and ideas elsewhere. Only the things we have covered already here.

The twitter thread showed (and hopefully the video thread will too) that we can have both a subforum and main thread feeding into it.

Yes. I know this will take a lot of time and hard work but personally i am willing to put all the hours in and do more than my fair share if nobody else wants to.

All i need is for people to say what they want, some direction and i will do my best to create the threads and keep them going.

We just need to get it off the ground and the rest will take care of itself.

You're right in saying it needs more than one pair of eyes, it needs a couple.

If there is anyone interested in working together on this, any help at all would be much appreciated?
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Now this caught my eye in the Child Abuse section a few days ago, on the Fred and Rosemary West thread, which is here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=173474

It's an old post and I can't quite follow the links the writer is making, but they are posting about various things (my thoughts in brackets):

The Moors Murders (did Jimmy learn his 'trade' here? Why couldn't/wouldn't Brady and Hindley reveal where Keith Bennett's body is?)

The Yorkshire Ripper (Savile involved, ritual/establishment involvement?)

Police authorities (involved with Savile, the Wests, and just about everything else on this entire thread)

Parkhurst prison on the Isle of Wight - Brady, the Krays etc

Emmerdale Farm - Yorkshire TV production filmed in 'interesting' locations, not least Savile's old haunt of Otley, where he says his career started, and indeed the start of next year's Tour de France

Here's the post:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=173474

I think I may concentrate some energy on that post/thread. Anything interesting I'll also post back on here.

Fred and Rosemary - obviously suppliers/facilitators to a ritual abuse ring in my eyes.

Very useful resource the Child Abuse section, thank you luv for turning our attention to it once again
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:21 PM   #60549
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Sky News reporting that Jimmy Savile's chauffeur, David Smith, has been arrested over five sexual offences.
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:23 PM   #60550
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Smith is accused of two counts of indecent assault, two of gross indecency and one of buggery in 1984, the Crown Prosecution Service said.

He is the first person to be charged under Operation Yewtree, the national investigation prompted after claims were made against disgraced TV presenter Savile.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/...nces-1-5548805
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David Smith was investigated as part of Operation Yewtree, which was set up in the wake of the Savile scandal.

When he was arrested the Met said it was under the strand of the operation looking at complaints against people not connected to the late DJ.

The alleged offences took place during 1984 when he was a driver.

Mr Smith is to be charged with two counts of indecent assault on a boy under 14, two of gross indecency with a boy under 14 and one of a serious sexual assault on a boy under 16, the Crown Prosecution Service said.

Mr Smith, who was arrested on 10 December 2012, will appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 8 May.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22017051
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:35 PM   #60552
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Top cop’s ‘will do better’ vow on Jimmy Savile fallout

Published on 03/04/2013 08:50

West Yorkshire’s new top policeman has said the way sex offence allegations were handled by police needed to be “fundamentally reshaped” in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal.

Mark Gilmore was speaking as he started work as chief constable of the West Yorkshire force yesterday.

Mr Gilmore, who has taken over following Sir Norman Bettison’s resignation in October, said people needed to know that complaints would be dealt with confidentially.

He added: “It is about how we respond to those reports that have been received, particularly when they are about powerful people, and giving people confidence that they can talk to their local police officer and that information will be treated in a sensitive way and acted upon, without in any way being detrimental to them.

“There are a number of things that need to be fundamentally re-shaped to make sure that all comes together so that these things don’t happen.”

More than 40 victims of Savile from West Yorkshire have come forward since Operation Yewtree was launched by Metropolitan Police in October.

But a report by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary, published last month, said West Yorkshire Police claimed it had no information relating to the former DJ’s crimes in the area.

Mr Gilmore, the former assistant chief constable at West Yorkshire, who has re-joined the force after a spell as deputy chief at Northumbria Police, said lessons would be learned to ensure a similar scandal could not happen again.

In a further development, he announced a “root and branch review” of how complaints against police are dealt with, led by Professor John McNeill, the Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland.

“We need to be more open and public facing about the challenges and complaints we face and understand why we’re getting those and, more importantly, how we can respond to them quickly,” he said.

“At the moment, it’s too bureaucratic. Officers spend more time recording the complaint than trying to resolve it.

“I would like them to focus much more on problem solving, going out to the person, listening to their complaint and taking action to deal with it.”

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.u...lout-1-5544239
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The BBC has learned the painful lessons of the Jimmy Savile affair claims its new director general

3 Apr 2013 10:51

BROADCASTING boss Tony Hall says the Pollard review recommendations are being put in place and that every effort is being made to rebuild trust,

THE lessons from the Jimmy Savile affair are being learnt by the BBC, the new director general said today.

Tony Hall said all of the recommendations of the Pollard Review were being implemented and he expected recommendations from two further reviews to be carried out too.

And speaking on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, the new director general defended the decisions taken to move some figures involved to new positions in the organisation.

Lord Hall said: "The BBC has been through a rough time... it's been even rougher for those affected by Savile too, and others.

"The Pollard review has been carried out and the recommendations of the Pollard review are now being implemented. We have two more reviews to come and I would be amazed if they were not implemented as well.

"I do think lessons have been learnt. You have got to understand what's happened and make sure that does not happen again, and then rebuild trust in what is at the core of the BBC - which is the news services."

Lord Hall said his predecessor George Entwistle had left the BBC and others had moved to other jobs in the wake of the scandal.

"I don't say that is particularly good for them," he said. "It's not."

The new director general said he had joined the BBC because he "cared passionately" about the organisation.

He said: "I don't like rhetoric, I do believe this organisation needs a sense of confidence and direction of where it is going.

"I want to be able to demonstrate to everybody inside and outside that specific things are happening to take us in the direction I want to go."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk...-jimmy-1806353
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:48 PM   #60554
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The sad story of the Lake Windermere incident reminded me of the three people in the Norfolk boating tragedy: the Trinity Hospice nurse, her daughter and her partner.

Something that seems odd to me in the Windermere case is that both adults were involved with a company that specialised in gas safety so were likely to have been very knowledgeable about risks in heating equipment:

"Preston Energi is an ambitious and well established heating and plumbing company based in the North West. Specialising in Gas Safety Inspections, Boiler Installations, Servicing and Maintenance of Gas Plumbing, Heating Repairs, Servicing and maintenance of Commercial Catering Equipment, Commercial Energy Performance Certificates and PAT Testing. Whilst we are based in the North West we can accommodate work throughout the UK and offer an out of hours and reactive maintenance service.

Office Manager: Kelly Webster

Director: Matthew Eteson"

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Savile apparently *could* hypnotise:

http://juzzzy.blog.co.uk/2012/10/15/...vile-15046176/

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WHILE attending a post-war Lend a Hand on the Land farming camp, Savile says he discovered he could hypnotise people.
“To demonstrate, and choosing a girl who was already fast asleep in her easy chair, I stood behind her.

“Passing myself off as first her mother, then her father, and finally boyfriend we had a lively patter going. I was convinced she was awake and just playing along with me.

“Taking again the part of her mother and asking her what she was doing in bed with all her clothes on, sweet horror, did she not stand up and start to undress.

“Telling her to stop, and in the nick of time as it had been a warm evening, she was handed to her girlfriend with instructions to be put to her bed.

“The next morning, expecting to be denounced and dismissed, I was shattered with relief when she stood next to me in the breakfast queue and gave not the slightest sign of recognition.

“Years later in the Isle of Man I met Josef Karma, one of the great hypnotists. Telling him the story, he was not surprised and suggested I should study under him… and not finish up in the nick!”

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Interesting also that the Isle of Mann is mentioned. Not sure if it's been discussed before but there are connections between the IoM and Radio Caroline North; Radio Caroline has been mentioned on here before. Also a project called "Music Mann", which was rumoured to be a re-launch of Caroline, had links to the IoM.

In addition, stage hypnotist Paul McKenna started his career working for Radio Caroline!

Paul McKenna friend of Simon Cowell friend of Philip Green (friend of government). Both helped McCanns fund. Linked to Jewish community. COMARE. JULIA HOBSBAWN, MEDIA, POLITICS, DRUG REHAB, NUCLEAR..Paedophile?

check out greenleaf post on the below thread
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9716
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"Sorry, I don't mean to be critical, am just stating my own personal opinion. I liked the way this thread ran, the slight rambling, the community feel, the many threads running off at different angles, the sychronicity of posters, the occasional 'Ding' moments, the joining together of dots.

The majority of the facts are here within the first thousand pages and can be found with the search facilities. The following 2,000+ pages are equally important in joining together people who all care and want to try and do something. 'Divide and conquer' are the words of the elite. 'Stick together and win' should be ours."

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"I don't agree with diluting down the thread any further. I like the way people post on intuition and just follow a path that feels right to them. No offence Luv Evreone, but variety and the ability to join the dots is in my opinion what makes this thread successful."




I agree; this thread seems to have taken on a life of its own. It has its own natural ebb and flow.

Many have come to this thread led by their intuition and once here, intuition continues to direct and guide them. People seem to post when they are able and when they feel they have discovered something of value to share. There does often seem to be a synchronicity when people post and the resulting whole is much greater than the sum of its parts. Fragmenting the thread may dissipate that synchronicity and intuition.

When posts are fewer, I find it's helpful to review previously posted items; often, overlooked items can suddenly jump out at you and lead to new areas to research and expose.

Knowing that there are always new people coming to the thread, there is also value in re-posting some of the more powerful and damning images, quotes, news articles etc.

It is great that people feel free to suggest different ways of getting the message out there and not feel hurt or attacked if others may not agree.

The goal of all this is to put an end to these horrors as soon as possible.

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Sky News reporting that Jimmy Savile's chauffeur, David Smith, has been arrested over five sexual offences.
At long last - the first person charged under Operation Yewtree.

Only now has BBC chauffeur David Smith (yewtree 7) been named; he wasn't named when he was arrested in December last year.

There is one other person arrested under Operation Yewtree who has not yet been publically named. 'Yewtree 11' was arrested on 5 February this year, described at the time as 'nobody known' by MWT.
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Paul McKenna friend of Simon Cowell friend of Philip Green (friend of government). Both helped McCanns fund. Linked to Jewish community. COMARE. JULIA HOBSBAWN, MEDIA, POLITICS, DRUG REHAB, NUCLEAR..Paedophile?

check out greenleaf post on the below thread
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9716

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Great find of orig post

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I remember the thread on here and it tied in with info from Maddie forums where there was some great research until forums closed.
Interesting outline of most of the above names mentioned here

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.n...of-the-mccanns
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"Sorry, I don't mean to be critical, am just stating my own personal opinion. I liked the way this thread ran, the slight rambling, the community feel, the many threads running off at different angles, the sychronicity of posters, the occasional 'Ding' moments, the joining together of dots.

The majority of the facts are here within the first thousand pages and can be found with the search facilities. The following 2,000+ pages are equally important in joining together people who all care and want to try and do something. 'Divide and conquer' are the words of the elite. 'Stick together and win' should be ours."

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"I don't agree with diluting down the thread any further. I like the way people post on intuition and just follow a path that feels right to them. No offence Luv Evreone, but variety and the ability to join the dots is in my opinion what makes this thread successful."




I agree; this thread seems to have taken on a life of its own. It has its own natural ebb and flow.

Many have come to this thread led by their intuition and once here, intuition continues to direct and guide them. People seem to post when they are able and when they feel they have discovered something of value to share. There does often seem to be a synchronicity when people post and the resulting whole is much greater than the sum of its parts. Fragmenting the thread may dissipate that synchronicity and intuition.

When posts are fewer, I find it's helpful to review previously posted items; often, overlooked items can suddenly jump out at you and lead to new areas to research and expose.

Knowing that there are always new people coming to the thread, there is also value in re-posting some of the more powerful and damning images, quotes, news articles etc.

It is great that people feel free to suggest different ways of getting the message out there and not feel hurt or attacked if others may not agree.

The goal of all this is to put an end to these horrors as soon as possible.
I agree with you goodness. Sometimes I have a trawl of the first 300 pages that I haven't read yet and post something I think should be heard again.

With all the different threads I miss the community feel.
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