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Old 08-09-2016, 04:32 PM   #2241
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did William Blake write a metaphorical poem about the predatory artificial intelligence that could be messing with our reality(s)??



Tyger Tyger, burning bright,
In the forests of the night;
What immortal hand or eye,
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies.
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand, dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder, & what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand? & what dread feet?

What the hammer? what the chain,
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp,
Dare its deadly terrors clasp!

When the stars threw down their spears
And water'd heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee?

Tyger Tyger burning bright,
In the forests of the night:
What immortal hand or eye,
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?




https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._BM_a_1794.jpg

also, this poem was partially recited in the tv show The Mentalist by the serial killer, Red John, to the man pu(e?)rsuing him, Patrick Jane. Jane was seeking justice for his murdered family:

Jane and Red John meeting scene - "Do you know who I am?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns_DWnqrEdI
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Old 08-09-2016, 05:11 PM   #2242
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ABBA Mandela Effect : The King Has Lost His Crown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dd9Uwgzk1A

Published on Sep 8, 2016
As a fan of ABBA, I've heard all of their songs. Maybe I happened to miss this one, but besides that, I think the lyrics are important and significant as well (if not more) for nowadays especially. Please check out the song and lyrics. Please share your thoughts on the comment sections. Thank you and God bless you.

"The King Has Lost His Crown"

I believe your new girl turned you down
And they say she's pushing you around
How does it feel, I guess it hurts your pride
Tell me my friend how many nights you cried

Disaster and disgrace
The king has lost his crown
Suddenly
He's clumsy like a clown
Aaaaah
The world is upside down
The king has lost his crown

Was it hard to step down from your throne
And to know tonight you're all alone
Oh what a shame, you really want that girl
She doesn't care, still you just dream of her

Disaster and disgrace
The king has lost his crown
Suddenly
He's clumsy like a clown
Ha-aaaahh
The world is upside down
The king has lost his crown

Disaster and disgrace
The word is all around
Suddenly
He's clumsy like a clown
Aaaaaaa-ah
The world is upside down
The king has lost his crown

Below are also ABBA songs that I do not recall.

ABBA Dum Dum Diddle - Live vocals (ABBA-DABBA-DOOO!!) Enhanced Audio HD : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQyje...
ABBA If It Wasn't For The Nights - (BBC TV '79) Deluxe edition Audio HD : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vylJ4...
ABBA The King Has Lost His Crown - (Live Switzerland '79) Deluxe edition Audio HD : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcCml...
ABBA Kisses Of Fire, Lovers Live A Little Longer (Live Switzerland '79) Deluxe edition Audio HD : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk37g...
ABBA: When I Kissed The Teacher - So Long (The Movie - Australia '77) HD MAX HQ : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekEgG...
ABBA "Why Did It Have To Be Me" (ABBA - The Movie) HQ : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy5mI...
ABBA : Under Attack (Germany 1982) HQ : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWE--...
ABBA "Tiger" (ABBA THE MOVIE 1977) HQ : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXigl...
ABBA Cassandra - Under Attack (Show Express ZDF Germany '82) Remasterd Audio HD : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbN3y...

http://TimeMachine.us

ABBA Mandela Effect : The Day Before You Came : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x979...


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"Riki Whytock5 hours ago
I'm 48 and never heard of these latest ABBA songs?
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ShockOfChrist5 hours ago
and there are more... but this song and this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x979-TcqyM i thought significant... both i am not familiar at all...?"

Christian Radio5 hours ago
That IS weird...never heard it..?

Tommy Rhys Andrews6 hours ago
I'm a fan of ABBA but not fully aware of the lyrics to this song... what was the previous lyrics??
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ShockOfChrist6 hours ago
i don't know this song... so i'd not know what the previous lyrics would be... do you know this song at all??
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Old 08-09-2016, 05:49 PM   #2243
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ABBA - Tiger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWQ7wrPyUe0

"Tiger"

The city is a jungle. You'd better take care.
Never walk alone after midnight.
If you don't believe me, you'd better beware
Of me!

I am behind you.
I always find you.
I am the tiger.
People who fear me
Never come near me.
I am the tiger.

The city is a nightmare, a horrible dream.
Some of us will dream it forever.
Look around the corner, and try not to scream.
It's me!

I am behind you.
I always find you.
I am the tiger.
People who fear me
Never come near me.
I am the tiger.
Yellow eyes are glowing like the neon lights.
Yellow eyes, the spotlights of the city nights.
I am behind you.
I always find you.
I am the tiger.
People who fear me
Never come near me.
I am the tiger.

The city is a prison. You'll never escape.
You're forever trapped in the allies.
Look into the shadows, and you'll see the shape
Of me!

I am behind you.
I always find you.
I am the tiger.
People who fear me
Never come near me.
I am the tiger.
Yellow eyes are glowing like the neon lights.
Yellow eyes, the spotlights of the city nights.
I am behind you.
I always find you.
I am the tiger.
People who fear me
Never come near me.
I am the tiger.
And if I meet you,
What if I eat you?
I am the tiger.
I am behind you.
I always find you.
I am the tiger.
Tiger!
(Tiger!)
Tiger!

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Old 08-09-2016, 07:46 PM   #2244
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-----suicide squad------

Harley Quinn

a few months ago, it was "daddy's lil princess"

now;


it's "daddy's lil monster"




------can's find signs of "daddy's lil princess" anywhere, except once or twice hearing someone else talking about the same-----

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Why was Nelson Mandela referenced from leftfield in The Suicide squad film??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-E1d-DtQpI


anyone??

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Old 08-09-2016, 08:31 PM   #2245
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Watch this a team video and the first few minutes the lower half is black and above the red flash is grey.

https://youtu.be/u7rKHs4v-CM

At about the 3-18 mark the van races down the ramp towards the metal gates in the same colours black/grey.
The continuity of the shot breaks just before the van smashes through the gates. Immediately after the break the van is all black apart from the red flash..
I didn't watch the rest of it. Maybe it would change back again?
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Old 09-09-2016, 08:31 PM   #2246
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The link is a video of someone who's gone to the trouble of conducting a survey on the Mandela Effect.

An in depth look at 25k responses.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=FLu...&v=oe65g0K8ePc
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Old 09-09-2016, 08:44 PM   #2247
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And here we have a look at the so-called scientist whistleblower, who has kindly taken time out from altering reality, to answer a few questions on 4chan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=FLu...&v=uwl3h8l4NPI
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Old 10-09-2016, 08:45 AM   #2248
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I have finally had time to learn about the Mandela Effect and it answers questions maybe. I am a big time spaghetti western fan all my life. I have spent years looking for the title. It had a great no plot guns blazing batch of action. Let me tell you!

My brother got a new ford and him and his fiance took me to Ben White's drive in in Warren PA. It starts on a train that stops on a bridge and the conductor will not go into town because 2 gangs were are war. He talks to a woman while getting off that has reservations about getting off and is going to be the new school teacher. His father is the leader of one of the gangs. He goes into town and finds his father face down in a full rain barrel. The woman slowly gets sweet on him. (doesn't happen) The rival gang gets nasty with him and he starts shooting them off. He finds out how bad his father gang is and then starts shooting them all off. At the end of the movie the woman says she thinks the town is much nicer and she is going to stay and the young gun fighter gets on the trains and leaves. I remember this completely and would like to add this movie to my collection. However it is not for sale anywhere and I cannot find it on the net. What do you think, Mandela Effect?
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Old 10-09-2016, 07:22 PM   #2249
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And here we have a look at the so-called scientist whistleblower, who has kindly taken time out from altering reality, to answer a few questions on 4chan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=FLu...&v=uwl3h8l4NPI
interesting video, so our conciousness have been uploaded to a server via a quantum computer, our original timeline has been destroyed in 2012 and these clones are fucking with our minds and altering our bodies and making us dumber by altering our brains on a mass scale, 12,573 anomalies and probably rising, when will it be enough? when it gets to 300k? i wish they would stop fucking with our heads and our minds because it's just ridiculous, this kind of power shouldn't be given to mere scientists, they even said they only care about their experiments than the planet, this could be bad for us imo.

it will get to a point where if this continues that the changes will be so great that we will get to a singularity point of no return and there will be nothing else to change anymore, what's stopping them for giving us 3 legs and two heads and we would think it's normal?

we know that quantum computers exist, google has one and some other private companies have some so what goes on behind the scenes is interesting and frightening at the same time because we can't stop this from happing because they are changing our minds physical bodies and our reality, how can we defend ourselves from that and keep our individual humanity, would anyone want to be connected to a computer AI that would think for us and control every aspect of our lives? i know i don't.

these people and where they are located need to stop and stop now before it is too late for all of us and the whole universe, i am curious as to what happened to us in 2012 we have no memory of that.

the scientist also said that the mandela effects that we have noticed are changes from a bigger picture so these anomalies have a more bigger meaning for something else, it's similar to the butterfly effect, he said we should look out for more anomalies in the future (months time) but didn't specifically say what to look out for which is a shame.

one red flag that i noticed is that he said there is one infinite reality that is not true, there are multiple reality's in existence, we exist in multiple realities at the same time, it just so happens that they are manipulating the reality that we are residing in.

all the scientist has done is left more open questions as to what is going on and didn't reveal a lot what we already know which leaves me frustrated, he did mention that cern was a part of this which is true but it's mainly them and their quantum computer which is all the cause of this.

imo i think he is giving out half truths mixed with disinformation and we don't know where the source of this is coming from, the only thing we can do is approach this info with a open mind i guess.

it also confirms that we are locked in a virtual reality prison within a prison from the archons, we live in such a great existence don't we, i feel more depressed that we are stuck here like this with no chance of escape, i knew this reality was fake for a long time anyway.

also this card from the illumanti card game rings a bell for anyone?
https://atruthsoldier.files.wordpres...ng_history.jpg

that's what i thought when i was watching the youtube video and what they are doing behind the scenes.

oh and there is a video game called SOMA that gives a idea on what these scientists are doing to us on a mass scale, creepy stuff.
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Forgot all about that card. Thanks for the reminder Huyi. Reminds of that Orwell quote I posted earlier in the thread:



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Old 11-09-2016, 09:49 AM   #2251
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I'd forgotten about that card too, reminded me of this song which talks about burning history - 'It's not me you see, pieces of valentine and just a song of mine to keep from burning history.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDygS0a6Tgo

I've watched this video countless times due to all the stuff going on, takes a few views to catch everything. I watched it just now and it seems to have changed from how I remember. This is really odd as it isn't that long since I last watched it; the first one I noticed was at the beginning when he bursts through the paper wall. I remember him going down the slide straight through the wall, but now he has an extra flight of stairs between the slide and wall. There are other subtle differences throughout the video from how I remember it from countless views over the last few years. Initially I thought it was maybe a different take (Bowie confused me with this once when he did two almost identical takes of 'oh you pretty things') but all versions seem to be the same, none as I remember. Is anyone else familiar with this video?
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Old 11-09-2016, 05:45 PM   #2252
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Here's one : Bettaware or Betterware ? I've actually sold this stuff door-to-door in another life and am sure it was the former not the latter spelling. Turn out it's the latter.

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Old 11-09-2016, 06:02 PM   #2253
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Here's one : Bettaware or Betterware ? I've actually sold this stuff door-to-door in another life and am sure it was the former not the latter spelling. Turn out it's the latter.
Well it was obviously named after Tupperware, which was huge back in the day.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupperware

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Well it was obviously named after Tupperware, which was huge back in the day.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupperware
The 'ware is not the issue paddy, the betta or better is the issue

I thought it was bettaware too..but not 100% sure
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I was taught in school that women had a rib more than men, probably because it tallied up with the creation of eve from Adam's rib after Lilith had told Adam to fuck right off after he 'told' her to lay under him..So God them made eve from Adam so she would 'belong' to him..or words to that effect.
I never knew until now that we have the same ribs..

Its not like I am 5 or 600 years old in this body..I was in junior school in the 70's and secondary school in the 80's..surely they should have known by then!

So..popular misconception or mandela effect?

PS
Ive been staying away from this subject to take a break from it, I know something is up..but I doubt I ever will know the truth about it.
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I was taught in school that women had a rib more than men, probably because it tallied up with the creation of eve from Adam's rib after Lilith had told Adam to fuck right off after he 'told' her to lay under him..So God them made eve from Adam so she would 'belong' to him..or words to that effect.
I never knew until now that we have the same ribs..

Its not like I am 5 or 600 years old in this body..I was in junior school in the 70's and secondary school in the 80's..surely they should have known by then!

So..popular misconception or mandela effect?

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Ive been staying away from this subject to take a break from it, I know something is up..but I doubt I ever will know the truth about it.
Here's a good old clean Christian Mandela joke for ya :

God is in Eden, having just made Eve, and is about to start work on Adam, says to her:

"For My Sake, just till him I made you second or we'll never hear the last of it !"

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Here's one : Bettaware or Betterware ? I've actually sold this stuff door-to-door in another life and am sure it was the former not the latter spelling. Turn out it's the latter.
had a quick look mate it seems we are not alone on this..

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We don’t want your catalogue!

One day, as my wife and I returned from a walk, I spied a certain unsolicited catalogue inside the front door and thought: “Another wretched Bettaware catalogue. You’d think they’d have learned by now that we don’t want their catalogue, that we don’t order from them, and that we don’t want the inconvenience of ensuring it gets returned to them on the right day!”
https://www.ananda.org/clarity-magaz...na-meditation/

also I found this link..
http://www.tutor2u.net/business/blog...source-listing
which brings up this web page


then when you click on the bettaware link shown in the image, it open this..
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We are in a excellent position to become a truely global in only a short amount of time, having seen the business expand into over 8 European countries including: SLOVAKIA, CZECH REPUBLIC, SERBIA, HUNGARY, ROMANIA, SLOVENIA, GREECE, CYPRUS – IMAGINE POTENTIAL In 2011., The Essens opportunity came of age in the Europe, attracting experienced leaders from other businesses who recognised the scale of the opportunity Essens offers not only here in the few European countries, but also globally. Essens has now the leadership and infrastructure in place to really expand the Essens Opportunity throughout the Europe and UK.. We believe within the next few years Essens will be as well known as other direct sales companies Avon, Kleeneze, Bettaware and Virgin Vie, however with the added advantage of being a truly global opportunity. E- mail: [email protected]; FREE REGISTRATION at www.essenseurope.com ID for registration: 70003129 Skype: essenskb; http://www.slideshare.net/EssensHrva...futuregmailcom
http://www.slideshare.net/EssensHrva...fumes-30016097

and on page 23 in a fascinating paper here
http://www.academia.edu/343194/The_o..._or_engagement

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Perhaps a negative approach would bear more fruit; what is the acme of non-usefulness in relation to the cognitive, experiential and convivial dimen-sions identi?ed here? A quick trawl through two recent product catalogues,an ‘Innovations’ type consumer gadgetry booklet and the latest ‘Bettaware’catalogue, reveals some interesting objects which, while they have a clear‘function’, are not very useful from the perspective developed here. Forexample, we may argue that one does not need a ‘battery powered spidervacuum’ because not only does it represent a waste of scarce resources butalso because it is based on a highly rei?ed view of non-human nature as wellas not being readily adaptable for any other purpose. Similarly, the ‘Lean,mean, fat-reducing grilling machine’ is highly functionally speci?c (drain-ing fat from high fat foods) which obscures less technologically sophisticatedmeans of achieving the same end using a simple frying pan, distances the userfrom the engaging activities associated with food preparation and invites in-competence in relation to alternative values and means such as thinkingabout the nature of the meat industry or buying low fat food.
(emphasis in bold by myself)

also this blog
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Or work with…


Actiderm / Actidiet
Anne Summers
Arbonne
Avon
Barefoot Books
Bettaware
Blue Bella
Body Shop at Home
Bubble Belle
Forever Living
It Works! Global
Juice Plus
Kleeneze
Partylite
Scentsy
Usborne


Websites to sell on...
http://blog.emmasdiary.co.uk/2013_09_01_archive.html


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Granite worktops have just a few lines of groove to drain and a lightweight chrome rack totally inadequate to wash up after 8 people. You have to pay for the inevitable avalanche of glass smashing into the sink and crunchy glass on kitchen floor. Take the Bettaware 6.99 plastic drainer tray to use on other side of sink and reuse on future hols to double up draining space. Shouldn't have to think out and supply such basic things and there is the background irritation as the 'head cook and bottle washer'that they should have sorted this by putting several real families in for several weeks at the design stage.
https://www.holidaywatchdog.com/1316...iew-Page2.html

Here's a BBC link for the MSM junkies who visit her
Do the BBC often spell company names wrong?
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A pet cat with a track record for stealing has slipped back into his criminal ways despite convincing his owner he was a reformed character.

Kleptomaniac Theo, from Ipswich, first hit the headlines in 2013 for stealing Christmas decorations.

Recently he has been stealing toy food, including a pineapple and an aubergine.

"We are deeply ashamed of our cat, especially as he had convinced us that he had changed his criminal ways," his owner wrote to neighbours.

Rachael Drouet created a leaflet for her neighbours in a bid to reunite the stolen items with their rightful owners.

"This year has been relatively quiet, save for some Bettaware catalogues and the odd flat balloon," the leaflet read.

"Until a few days ago when he started bring home toy food.

"So far we have cheese, a green pepper, fish, a pineapple, an aubergine, and a felt basket to put them all in."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-34993079

Even Derrick Bird who has been talked about extensively on this forum, shot a Bettaware catalogue deliverer.
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Nearby, Jane Robinson, 66, was delivering Bettaware catalogues door to door. She leaned into Bird's passenger window and was shot in the head and neck at 11.28am. Witnesses said she was flung back from the force of the impact.
from the guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/...bria-shootings

even an amazon rated reply
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It tips over if you don't position your feet exactly in the middle of the stool. So its not great for potty traing kids in bathrooms! I would say its actually dangerous. Instead I have 3 steps from Bettaware with rubber grip feet that work much better.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tippitoes-S.../dp/B001M17N1K

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I’m identifying some of the invertebrates in my garden too at present and enjoyed reading your article. However, the spider being eaten by the Amaurobius is an adult male so can’t be a young Dysdera – I suspect it’s a linyphiid.
The spider in ‘rear view of Araneus diadematus’ is a Metellina
I wonder if your Dictyna is actually a Neriene (clathrata?).
I think the ‘possibly a Linyphia’ is a Metellina
The Metellina outide your office door looks more like a Larinioides to me
The wolf spider on the Bettaware catalogue is an Amaurobius
The Pisaura acoreensis is a Clubiona species
The Pisaura mirabilis is a lycosid, maybe a Pardosa species
The Tetranychus urticae is an anystid mite.
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then theres this advert

Notice how the item description is spelling it the official timeline way..

There are lots of examples but I only posted a few so it was clearly evident that others thought it to 'Bettaware' to be the case by many others

So this looks to me like there are residuals or bleed through from our memories of something that wasnt was and I personally think you have found a ME phenomenon...good call mate.
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Well done Mr Nine. However, the next obvious move is to contact Betterware directly and see if they at any point did consciously change the logo from Bettaware ( I've actually already tried to do this with Volkswagen but their website 'contact us' section is almost impossible to access. I was hoping to do the same with Febreze. Not to mention George Lucas.) But in each case there's a diversionary link if you try to do "contact us" and you end up going round and round the houses. Does this mean they're all in on it together ???

Secondly ( this is my gripe with Mandelics) I thought it was all or nothing ? i.e. your anomalous memory differs with current seemingly altered evidence wherever you look. No exceptions. No half way houses. It's either Bernstain Bears or Bernstein Bears. No remaining evidence of your previous recollection ? Any and every picture of CP30 now has a silver leg ? In Betterware's case there seems to be a smoking gun...or rather smoking candle holder/flour shaker pack of three etc. etc.

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Well done Mr Nine. However, the next obvious move is to contact Betterware directly and see if they at any point did consciously change the logo from Bettaware ( I've actually already tried to do this with Volkswagen but their website 'contact us' section is almost impossible to access. I was hoping to do the same with Febreze. Not to mention George Lucas.) But in each case there's a diversionary link if you try to do "contact us" and you end up going round and round the houses. Does this mean they're all in on it together ???

Secondly ( this is my gripe with Mandelics) I thought it was all or nothing ? i.e. your anomalous memory differs with current seemingly altered evidence wherever you look. No exceptions. No half way houses. It's either Bernstain Bears or Bernstein Bears. No remaining evidence of your previous recollection ? Any and every picture of CP30 now has a silver leg ? In Betterware's case there seems to be smoking gun...or rather smoking candle holder/flour shaker pack of three etc. etc.
This is a mandela Cosmic' imho
The company in this timeline have changed their name from betterwear to betterware..It has never been 'bettaware'
Edit:the company is 82 years old apparently

check this pic out

There are lots of instances of people misspelling the name the same absurd way when the name is grammatically correct now..why make up a silly street style spelling, especially from the likes of the bbc
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Hmmmmmmmm....
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