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Old 22-02-2019, 02:51 PM   #21
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Old 22-02-2019, 04:34 PM   #22
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Labour hasn't represented the working class for a long time. Thatcher did the main job of demolition but Blair was there to administer the coup de grace to the working class. I feel sorry for young people today. Huge student debt,, no chance of buying a home, zero hours contracts, toothless trades unions, endless wars, and an overbearing bureaucracy both at home and in Europe. Every bit of hard-won legislation that has favoured the working class since 1945 has been dismantled or is in the process of being sold off. It has been a betrayal on a grand scale.
People need to wake up when it comes to Labour, they are only there to control the poor and working class and keep them down in poverty and subservient, i grew up in Glasgow and it has always been Labour until SNP got in, the areas that were Labour controlled like the East End of Glasgow has a low life expectancy, high unemployment, poor housing and crime, Labour have done fuck all to help the working class , the majority of labour MPs are middle class, just Google Chuka Umunna not exactly working class , it's all bullshit and people actually believe Labour, they control the poor and the Tories control the rich, oh i forgot Labour MPs do not live in council houses and their children attend Private schools like Neil Kinnocks son children .

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who else thinks these MP's could be "intelligence assets" ...? pulling another anti brexit stunt.
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Old 22-02-2019, 06:15 PM   #24
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who else thinks these MP's could be "intelligence assets" ...? pulling another anti brexit stunt.
yeah the deadline is approaching so the system is finding new ways to derail brexit
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Old 22-02-2019, 07:39 PM   #25
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I think you will find the biggest reason, is that when people get into power in democracies, they can use the gov to stay in power.

Its why in america, they knew this, and limited it to two terms.

Just look at how gordan brown, tried to hold onto power, when he lost in that election, he tried to hold onto power, but eventually had to accept the result.

When your in power in democracies, you will find, its far harder to get a person, or group out, then it is to hold onto power. This is because they can use teh gov resources in elections.

But i also agree there opposition were rubbish too, but the most important reason, was, is that in democracies, when you get power, its hard to get you out.

Its why in america, they limit it to two terms.

Look at things like gerrymandering, on how gov can shift peoples into areas, to dominate, and virtually deicde who will win in most areas.

Its how uk gov, holds onto northern ireland. Just gerrymandering, making sure they hold onto that area. The only reason uk gov held onto northern ireland all these years, was because of gerrymandering.
Apols for sounding patronising, but IMO your best post to-date.

They want us to believe it's just a coincidence that a DUP coalition forms just when the Irish/EU/UK border being rejigged.

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Old 22-02-2019, 07:46 PM   #26
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Its how uk gov, holds onto northern ireland. Just gerrymandering, making sure they hold onto that area. The only reason uk gov held onto northern ireland all these years, was because of gerrymandering.
gerrymandering definately goes on but with northern island the orange order and the black lodge which is above it that takes aristocrats as its members are freemasonic and part of the freemasonic system

they moved a bunch of freemasons over to northern island, taking many of them from ayrshire in scotland

so are they supporting them only for their votes or because they are a branch of the freemasonic network?
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People need to wake up when it comes to Labour, they are only there to control the poor and working class and keep them down in poverty and subservient, i grew up in Glasgow and it has always been Labour until SNP got in, the areas that were Labour controlled like the East End of Glasgow has a low life expectancy, high unemployment, poor housing and crime, Labour have done fuck all to help the working class , the majority of labour MPs are middle class, just Google Chuka Umunna not exactly working class , it's all bullshit and people actually believe Labour, they control the poor and the Tories control the rich, oh i forgot Labour MPs do not live in council houses and their children attend Private schools like Neil Kinnocks son children .
This is true everywhere, not just in the UK. Any political party whose platform revolves around helping the poor, the children, the elderly, etc. has every incentive to make sure there is an increasing population of the very people they claim to want to help, because this is what keeps their power and influence growing.

Labour parties, Liberal parties, etc. are in the business of creating more and more poor people, sick people, and homeless people. Otherwise, we would not need them.

They need to get elected, so every election they're going to spout on and on about all the millions of sick, impoverished, and homeless that only their policies can help. In fact, it's their policies that created the problems in the first place.

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Old 24-02-2019, 09:25 AM   #28
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People need to wake up when it comes to Labour, they are only there to control the poor and working class and keep them down in poverty and subservient, i grew up in Glasgow and it has always been Labour until SNP got in, the areas that were Labour controlled like the East End of Glasgow has a low life expectancy, high unemployment, poor housing and crime, Labour have done fuck all to help the working class , the majority of labour MPs are middle class, just Google Chuka Umunna not exactly working class , it's all bullshit and people actually believe Labour, they control the poor and the Tories control the rich, oh i forgot Labour MPs do not live in council houses and their children attend Private schools like Neil Kinnocks son children .
The SNP are currently permitting the use of the north of scotland for rocket launches which will no doubt be the satellites that are going to be used to build the 5G SMART grid that is going to be used to control us all in a technotronic gulag

They have already made glasgow into a 'smart city' where they are tracking everyone with facial recognition software

The SNP are not working for the scottish people, they are working for the mega-corporations and their technocratic agenda
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Old 24-02-2019, 09:29 AM   #29
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Labour parties, Liberal parties, etc. are in the business of creating more and more poor people, sick people, and homeless people. Otherwise, we would not need them..
poor people don't worry about abstract notions like 'liberty' or 'rights' or 'freedom' or 'privacy' as they are too concerned with where their next meal is going to come from

Food bank use in scotland is on the rise under the SNP

If everyone is reduced to breadline poverty then the technocrats can then offer them a way out by saying ''here is universal basic income which you can use to improve your quality of life but in order to get the UBI you must accept this microchip into your hand because the UBI will come in digital currency form''

The more poor they can make everyone the more willing those people will be to aquiesce to handing over all of their rights and freedoms in order to eat and improve their lot

poverty is going to lead to dependency which becomes slavery because slavery is being the helpless victim of a dominating influence and that is what the technocracy will be
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Thumbs down Labour will not change

Under Mr Corbyn nothing will change, food banks will remain as they have no policy to remove them, the bedroom tax will remain under Labour however SNP , have the power to remove bedroom tax in Scotland but have never done so. Labour will fight the people to get back into the EU. Labour will continue its immigration policy that had them removed from office. Labour will continue the war on the elderly and the slavery of the disabled, Universal Credit will continue under Labour, nothing will change except the mask will shift faces. All the former Labour supporters are still in the party dormant waiting in the wings, waiting to rise again like vampires at sunset.
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Old 24-02-2019, 05:22 PM   #31
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Under Mr Corbyn nothing will change, food banks will remain as they have no policy to remove them, the bedroom tax will remain however SNP , have the power to remove bedroom tax in Scotland but have never done so. Labour would fight the people to get back into the EU. Labour will continue its immigration policy that had them removed from office. All the former Labour supporters are still in the party dormant waiting in the wings to rise again like vampires a sunset.
yeah corbyns regime seems to be pro-immigration and pro-EU so we would then see more of what the EU wants which would be: SMART meters, smart cities, greater integration into the EU (eg adoption of the euro and an EU army), MASS immigration through quotas, the breakdown of society, the overburdening of public services, increased tensions within society threatening to boil over into open conflict and of course a continuing increase in violent crimes

If Corbyn was genuinely going to try and break away from the corporate-fascists he would have to break free of their push for a technocracy (a merger of state and corporate power) and he'd have to halt their agenda of destroying nation states as that is really about creating a broken, divided and more malleable global population that can then be more easily fashioned into slaves of the technocracy

if a definition of 'slave' is to be a helpless victim of a dominating influence then the technocracy is the oligarchs ultimate expression of their control over the workers. Its a new global technotronic plantation for the workers

At the moment corbyn is looking very much like another expression of the corporate-fascist system
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poor people don't worry about abstract notions like 'liberty' or 'rights' or 'freedom' or 'privacy' as they are too concerned with where their next meal is going to come from

Food bank use in scotland is on the rise under the SNP

If everyone is reduced to breadline poverty then the technocrats can then offer them a way out by saying ''here is universal basic income which you can use to improve your quality of life but in order to get the UBI you must accept this microchip into your hand because the UBI will come in digital currency form''

The more poor they can make everyone the more willing those people will be to aquiesce to handing over all of their rights and freedoms in order to eat and improve their lot

poverty is going to lead to dependency which becomes slavery because slavery is being the helpless victim of a dominating influence and that is what the technocracy will be
Yes, and all these poor and sick people they have created need to keep voting for them for fear of losing their govt benefits. This is one reason for the insane mass immigration/refugee policies. They know these people will all vote for the Leftists because the Leftists are going to bribe them with housing, food, health care, etc. So, the Leftists want to bring in millions of these people.

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Yes, and all these poor and sick people they have created need to keep voting for them for fear of losing their govt benefits. This is one reason for the insane mass immigration/refugee policies. They know these people will all vote for the Leftists because the Leftists are going to bribe them with housing, food, health care, etc. So, the Leftists want to bring in millions of these people.
yes and they are flooding the job market with people when there is already high youth unemployment in many countries in the west and millions of jobs are going to be shed to automation

so we are going to see millions and millions of people then become dependent on state handouts and by this method they are able to achieve their authoritarian-socialist technocracy
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Yep. That seems like the plan to me. It's all based on govt dependency. All these idiots who think they have a right to free health care don't understand they'll actually be paying for it with their very souls.

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Yep. That seems like the plan to me. It's all based on govt dependency. All these idiots who think they have a right to free health care don't understand they'll actually be paying for it with their very souls..
well lets say you give everyone free health care but lets say that the society you build in the process is one where people feel so much malaise that they embrace harmful activities as a consolation for a life they don't feel is vital

Lets say they drink too much, take too many drugs, get harmful drugs from their doctor to numb their anxiety or emotional pain or eat lots of junk food and smoke too much

Lets say also that depression has a kind of paralysing effect where a person gets into a downward spiral so not only do they do the things above but they also feel less motivated to get out into the world and be active and therefore they don't get much exercise

what is the result of this life that lacks vitality and breeds malaise?

The result is that health will decline and more and more people will then fall back on the free health care and that 'free' healthcare isn't free because it will have to be paid for by the taxpayer

It sure as hell won't be paid for by the super rich because they keep their money 'offshore' and out of the reach of the taxman so the people who will be taxed are the working people in the middle and as their wealth is destroyed the country will morph into a neo-fuedal society where there is only the super rich elites who control the powerful technology and the serfs who are dependent on the largesse of the fuedal class

The country will also become a two tier country where only the super rich will be able to afford the best of healthcare, education, transport, housing and so on and everyone else will be left with the dregs which will have been engineered to fail so that the peasant class never gains the vitality of mind, body or spirit that is required to lift itself out of the dirt
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I am surprised that netanyahu, and israel, is not boasting about this lol

If israelis cannot buy people, then they moan about anti semitism.

What a joke.

Even though i cannot stand uk political parties. When a party in a country does not bend over for the vile israeli gov trying to use them, they openly call them anti semites.

What a joke.
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Old 26-02-2019, 09:32 AM   #37
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I am surprised that netanyahu, and israel, is not boasting about this lol
if we stand back from all of this we see that a number of things have happened recently

In france we see the jewish lobby putting pressure on macron to outlaw any questioning of zionist activities as 'anti-semitic'

In the UK we see the jewish leader of momentum, which is the power behind the corbyn throne, steering his own 'anti-semetism' witchhunt within the labour party to silence any dissent of zionist activities or any 'conspiracy theories' about jewish influence

meanwhile we have two al jazeera documentaries released that show that jewish influence does exist in both british and american politics

we see tom watson (who sings zionist songs to the jewish lobby with more gusto then he'd sing happy birthday to his own mother and who takes money from the jewish lobby) telling us that labour has an 'antisemitism problem' but what he really means is that there are labour activists who want to question zionist activities and who are questioning the role of jewish power in british politics (which we know exists from the al jazeera expose)

meanwhile we see trump allowing the jewish neocons to shape american foreign policy which at the moment is aimed at attacking venezuala which has freed itself from the neoliberal grip of the central banking fraternity and also attacking iran which does not have a rothschild central bank

the blairite labour breakaway faction also call for an end to 'anti-semitism' in the laboour party ie to silence any questioning of the role of jewish influence in british politics and in wider global affairs

So what we are seeing is jewish power asserting itself across the west through all of its lackeys and what it seems to be determined to do is silence any discussion about jewish power. it wants to criminalise it thereby removing any obstacles to its supremacy

So what i'd like jeremy corbyns supporters to do is explain to me how they can see no contradiction between the blairite faction who want to derail brexit and corbyns own position of supporting a second referendum while pushing for a customs union thereby detrailing brexit? C;early jewish power wants britain locked in the EU and the leave campaign was funded by goldman sachs!

clearly both sides in that supposed divide are seeking the same things:

-to derail brexit
-to crush and criminalise any questioning of jewish power

Clearly they are all in lockstep together so why do corbyn supporters think he's some kind of rebel? he is self-evidently NOT. he is dancing to the same tune as the blairite faction and macron and trumps neocons
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well lets say you give everyone free health care but lets say that the society you build in the process is one where people feel so much malaise that they embrace harmful activities as a consolation for a life they don't feel is vital

Lets say they drink too much, take too many drugs, get harmful drugs from their doctor to numb their anxiety or emotional pain or eat lots of junk food and smoke too much

Lets say also that depression has a kind of paralysing effect where a person gets into a downward spiral so not only do they do the things above but they also feel less motivated to get out into the world and be active and therefore they don't get much exercise

what is the result of this life that lacks vitality and breeds malaise?

The result is that health will decline and more and more people will then fall back on the free health care and that 'free' healthcare isn't free because it will have to be paid for by the taxpayer

It sure as hell won't be paid for by the super rich because they keep their money 'offshore' and out of the reach of the taxman so the people who will be taxed are the working people in the middle and as their wealth is destroyed the country will morph into a neo-fuedal society where there is only the super rich elites who control the powerful technology and the serfs who are dependent on the largesse of the fuedal class

The country will also become a two tier country where only the super rich will be able to afford the best of healthcare, education, transport, housing and so on and everyone else will be left with the dregs which will have been engineered to fail so that the peasant class never gains the vitality of mind, body or spirit that is required to lift itself out of the dirt
That's exactly what "govt assistance" causes. People have lost the idea of responsibility and accountability. Everyone is now a victim of society. It's not your fault you never did any homework in school and can't get a job. It's not your fault you ate yourself into a size XXXL case of diabetes and heart disease. You're a victim of society, all those other people over there, they did it to you. Vote for me and I'll fix it.

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I do not understand the so called rise in antisemitism I see no evidence of this, Jewish people in the UK seem happy enough to me.

They are not under any type of oppression or attack in the UK and if it wasn't for the UK and the allies they wouldn't be here any more.

Is saying that antisemitism !? That question to me is conversation.
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Tony Blair backs the Independent Group as he says 'truly mind-boggling' Labour has been taken by populists:

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