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Old 23-09-2013, 08:47 PM   #781
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Old 23-09-2013, 09:09 PM   #782
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all im saying is were all damaged and pretense shouldnt preclude us from having natural outbursts . in my experience of actually coming out of my own PTSD from 14 years of physical and emotional abuse as a kid, I realize the lashing out was teaching me things, that i was responding defensively as needed but in manners that reflected the abuse, and i believe that has purpose, its honest, I dont think its something we block out but something we embrace and reply hey you will get past this. I am the one that counselled me I am the one that removed the inner mirror reflecting that horrid upbringing. So the context is self salvation and acceptance. yeah youre damaged yeah youre gonna freak out on the road to true kindness and yes there is a common pretense of kindness that is unrealistic.
I can pretty much test anyone who hasnt had a really damaging time in this world just to show that capacity for damage exists. not a fun experiment but after all i have been through its a honed skill. Bullshit is bullshit and hypocrisy is hypocrisy. If you havent been damaged youre a liar or very fortunate, if you havent been damaged you cant have the wisdom and peace that comes from moving out of the damage period. no psychological method is greater than experience.
In the right situation even the most put together people will fall apart thats true of everyone.
I am glad you survived it, Vern, and are able to tell people that it is possible live go beyond PTSD. There are so many people living with it and reacting to the ghosts of the past. The people they hurt when they are defending themselves from these ghosts do not always understand and can be traumatised in their turn. Love, understanding, kindness and patience are all tools with which we unpick the chain of traumatisation.

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Old 23-09-2013, 09:13 PM   #783
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I am glad you survived it, Vern, and are able to tell people that it is possible live go beyond PTSD. There are so many people living with it and reacting to the ghosts of the past. The people they hurt when they are defending themselves from these ghosts do not always understand and can be traumatised in their turn. Love, understanding, kindness and patience are all tools with which we unpick the chain of traumatisation.

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its tough, its very hard to break through all of that darkness and discipline yourself to the joy of the real undisturbed child self. It is very possible though. and generally it goes, freak the hell out realize how not to and then repeat. But it takes a level of self realization that is largely absent in this age. I dont know that its a thing most people can do.
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Old 24-09-2013, 07:25 PM   #784
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mistakes are just your subconscious minds way of admitting to your conscious mind that you dont know everything.
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Old 24-09-2013, 07:27 PM   #785
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If people dont think that real kindness cant offend the ego they are mistaken. The ego is a big baby and true kindness is very offensive to it in many ways.
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Old 24-09-2013, 09:14 PM   #786
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The ego is a big baby and true kindness is very offensive to it in many ways.
Yup. It doesn't play by the rules that the ego understands.

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Old 26-09-2013, 07:38 PM   #787
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Were raised with statements like you need to change your attitude, What we dont really realize is not only can it be done and is effective but in actuality thats ego. A simple mechanic where you just throw away everything youre thinking that brings you to that attitude.
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Aside from every cotton picking thing in my life being a test of keeping or chucking ego my disinterest in english class revealing the mountain my ego had created in the past; im disinterested so i dont perform well even though i do a quality end result on the final paper.
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Old 27-09-2013, 03:55 PM   #788
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real kindness is very destructive to ones ego.
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Old 27-09-2013, 04:16 PM   #789
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Im fishing out the deeper richer ideas in life, i will probably mess up and look like an idiot , hypocrite, misfit , and god knows what other names we'd call it. But I'd rather do that than have to paint my facade everyday by not going there out of a fear that I might at one point look bad. Were all going to look bad, most people hide it; I think humans have things in reverse as such things are equalizers like the bodies expulsion of waste and traffic lights. You cant find the things of depth in life without experiencing what makes them, and that would be our propensity to err.
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Old 27-09-2013, 04:41 PM   #790
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What concerns me most about my rough childhood is that the roughnecks ahead of me who also had a tough time of it , cant seem to navigate past it as I and my brother are. When you stop victimizing yourself with yourself better ideas emerge, its unfortunately you cant share the experience. All you can say is anything is possible , I am living proof. You cant really live in the present by mirroring the past outwards, when you realize you can stop doing that and you begin to change your attitude you start seeing , well actually it was only bad in certain spots and i had no idea how to undo that effect.
I was really gifted with automatic knowledge as a kid, i realized by age 13 that i was more a gathering of influences than an original idea. If I had the english paper from jr high I could prove that .
By 18 my uncle who had a tough one in his life decided to respond to that observation by saying bullshit you are what you want to create don't fill my head with that shit.
That stuck and proved true. You don't have to have it rough to change yourself to change the world, And anyone thats had it rough kinda owes the world the effort, were mirrors of a ton of social stupidity brought on by everyone. People that havent had it rough are kinda stuck up and snooty unless youre an abused woman or kid thats shoved in their faces. in fact most of our reactions to people just having a rough day are just shit unless they are close friends or family.
Were all one species,,scientifically we couldnt get any fucking closer as family. people that care about the world change themselves , people that are immersed in the self try to change everyone else.
The flip side of all of this shit we dump on each other is a profound insight into our humanity. Were not stupid for ignoring that but were as ignorant as we could ever be by it. In all honesty to be a rejective pig over aspects of the human condition is a fairly unrealistic frame of mind. maybe the crazy people are the ones living in this "seclusionist" perfect world delusion.
Maybe you need to have it rough to find an answer about anything in life, cuz easy streeters typically dont know squat.
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Old 28-09-2013, 05:46 PM   #791
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What is light in us is the heart without knowing the world for its darkness, To have experienced the world for its pain and unlearned it all is the process of enlightenment. Does one simply remove painful experience? nothing like that is simply done, and you can only remove the effect of the experience.
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In this marriage-song it is not the words which are to be pondered, but the affections behind them.
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Old 28-09-2013, 09:23 PM   #793
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I think twin flames is about spiritual activation, i think if we were all spiritually activated we could have those intense connections with anyone.
twin flames and soul mates are just terms for people that dont activate spiritually. if you activate you can have that connection with anyone, the point isnt the connection its in going back to the source of spirit within and unlearning the material perspective to the degree that you are liberated from it.
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i think if the universe was just created by a masculine energy it wouldnt harbor life or anything of beauty, it would be full of interesting phenomenon but would be a bit boring after all that.
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Becoming spiritually aware is like finding out your ego is your child and you have to raise it.
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Old 29-09-2013, 05:18 PM   #796
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The world is a wonderful place full of people waiting to be offended by something.
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Old 30-09-2013, 01:09 AM   #797
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Julian Assange quoted Plato: “One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”
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Mass societal hallucination: Someone has the right to affect your freedoms.


Government has become just another type of religious institution.
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Old 30-09-2013, 04:12 PM   #799
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Been diagnosed with a "disorder"? That's society's latest way to deny it's own illness by pointing the finger at you
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Religion becomes obsolete in the morphing of it into a carefully constructed psychology of corporate governing order.
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