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Old 26-12-2013, 08:53 AM   #81
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Old 28-12-2013, 10:55 AM   #82
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The elite can live the life of the anarchist. They can avoid/evade most taxes. They can circumvent most laws with the help of expensive lawyers or moving from counrty to country or not worrying about fines.
They pay for what they want when they want it. They can influence those in power like few others can. They can make rules for others and ignore them for themselves.

It is funny listening to anarchists complaining about the group of people who live closest to the ideals they want.
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Old 28-12-2013, 11:14 AM   #83
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The elite can live the life of the anarchist. They can avoid/evade most taxes. They can circumvent most laws with the help of expensive lawyers or moving from counrty to country or not worrying about fines.
They pay for what they want when they want it. They can influence those in power like few others can. They can make rules for others and ignore them for themselves.

It is funny listening to anarchists complaining about the group of people who live closest to the ideals they want.
But us anarchists arent intent on installing a heirachical system of controll..what your describing is the opposite, its more fascism when the corporate boss at the top does what he wants but controlls those below.
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Old 28-12-2013, 11:23 AM   #84
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But us anarchists arent intent on installing a heirachical system of controll..what your describing is the opposite, its more fascism when the corporate boss at the top does what he wants but controlls those below.
he suffers from the blindness of ists and isms lol.

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Old 28-12-2013, 11:49 AM   #85
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But us anarchists arent intent on installing a heirachical system of controll..what your describing is the opposite, its more fascism when the corporate boss at the top does what he wants but controlls those below.
My emphasis is on money. It would be clearer if I had said the elite as in the very rich. The more money you have the more freedom you can enjoy.
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Old 28-12-2013, 12:07 PM   #86
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What many people are mistaking for anarchism is in fact corporatism. The collusion of big business and government, for their mutual benefit rather than ours. If you remove the government from the equation you eradicate corporatism.
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Old 28-12-2013, 08:06 PM   #87
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What many people are mistaking for anarchism is in fact corporatism. The collusion of big business and government, for their mutual benefit rather than ours. If you remove the government from the equation you eradicate corporatism.
what many are saying is that in this corporatism the boys on top answer to no one. they live in a state of anarchy while they subject the rest to corporatism. give them time. they will eradicate governments themselves. its in the process now.
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Old 28-12-2013, 08:07 PM   #88
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My emphasis is on money. It would be clearer if I had said the elite as in the very rich. The more money you have the more freedom you can enjoy.
and that's how you support them. buy playing with their money. pun intended
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Old 29-12-2013, 05:52 PM   #89
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My emphasis is on money. It would be clearer if I had said the elite as in the very rich. The more money you have the more freedom you can enjoy.
Money is only a means of exchange. You're talking about bribery.
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Old 12-01-2014, 01:25 AM   #90
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Money is only a means of exchange. You're talking about bribery.
we dont need to exchange. all we need is to share.
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we dont need to exchange. all we need is to share.
I have no problem with that, except for the fact that many people consider "taking by force or coercion what I didn't work for" as a valid form of sharing.
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Old 19-01-2014, 11:57 AM   #92
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I have no problem with that, except for the fact that many people consider "taking by force or coercion what I didn't work for" as a valid form of sharing.
seems rampant these days
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Old 10-06-2014, 02:33 PM   #93
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Anarcho-Capitalism is the only fair way of organizing society.

Taking anyone's property through the threat of violence is immoral and can never be justified. There is no difference between me taking away someone's money at gun point or voting in a government to do it for me.

And don't bother arguing that the money stolen through taxation is used for a good cause. The ends do not justify the means. Besides, if the things that government provides were desirable the free market would be doing it already.

Not only does government have to steal to survive but it also has to eliminate the competition through state monopolies. So the government confiscates my wealth at gunpoint and then coerces me to use its services. It is the same business model as the mafia. But at least the mafia provides goods and services that people actually want.

I guess you can count that as a vote for.
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:28 PM   #94
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Anarchy = freedom
External governments = slavery

Believing in the legitimacy of "governments" or external ruler ship in any form simply means that you condone slavery.

The only government and ruler-ship that is necessary is the ruler-ship and governing of self. You govern your own thoughts, emotions and actions, you do not, nor will you ever have the right to govern other peoples thoughts, emotions and actions.

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Old 08-09-2014, 08:32 PM   #95
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The more evil the elites do the more sympathetic I become to anarchism.

There are many things that could go wrong with anarchism, but the situation we have now is already going wrong. The government is killing people in other countries, it's killing sick and disabled and old people at home. How can anarchy be worse than this?

We may get warlords and mafia and whatever, but I doubt they will want to kill people for fun, sacrifice them, take their kids away so they can be raped by elites and Savile types. I doubt they would poison people with toxins in the environment and brainwash them through the media.
We already have warlords and mafia now, they just use the veil of "authority" and call themselves government.
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I don't trust any "ism". Including Anarchism. I believe the age of the "ism" is over.

Anarchy , like most ideals, makes perfect sense and looks attractive to some on paper, in reality I do not think it would work and bring out the baser elements of humanity. So no. I am not an Anarchist.

Neither do I think we live in the age for it. If it all crumbled tomorrow, it would take at least two generations ( a century or so) to deprogramme the Western mindset from consumer capitalism and to deter the third world from desiring it.

If I was to give a label to the overall ideal for humanity, in terms of an awakening of Global consciousness from all angles it would be
Cosmic Paradigm Globalism. Something which has never been done before and may well not even happen in our lifetime.

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Old 14-09-2014, 12:51 PM   #97
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Anarchy = freedom
External governments = slavery

Believing in the legitimacy of "governments" or external ruler ship in any form simply means that you condone slavery.

The only government and ruler-ship that is necessary is the ruler-ship and governing of self. You govern your own thoughts, emotions and actions, you do not, nor will you ever have the right to govern other peoples thoughts, emotions and actions.
If anarchy has been around for a long while how come's it's never worked?
It was never designed to work, possibly?
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Anarcho-Capitalism is the only fair way of organizing society.

Taking anyone's property through the threat of violence is immoral and can never be justified. There is no difference between me taking away someone's money at gun point or voting in a government to do it for me.

And don't bother arguing that the money stolen through taxation is used for a good cause. The ends do not justify the means. Besides, if the things that government provides were desirable the free market would be doing it already.

Not only does government have to steal to survive but it also has to eliminate the competition through state monopolies. So the government confiscates my wealth at gunpoint and then coerces me to use its services. It is the same business model as the mafia. But at least the mafia provides goods and services that people actually want.

I guess you can count that as a vote for.
I wont accept that, so how you gonna deal with me?
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Old 14-09-2014, 04:50 PM   #99
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If anarchy has been around for a long while how come's it's never worked?
It was never designed to work, possibly?
it worked in spain during the civil war.
franco and his friends (america et al) overthrew it to install a corrupt regime.
never studied history?

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Old 14-09-2014, 05:19 PM   #100
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I wont accept that, so how you gonna deal with me?
A couple of well aimed taps from a .357 Magnum or Glock 9mm.

My desire to organize society based on a non-coercive model should not be perceived as the abrogation of the right to self defense.
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